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Racism in US
Is it as bad as the media shows it?
I get that it was really bad a hundred years ago and a few decades back. But isnt that mostly gone? I said mostly, not all. Does every time a black person gets killed need to be tied to race? Why cant it be a bad cop killing a human? Why demonize every one?
Do any of you have personal experience where you were targeted because of your race? In medicine it seems that most issue with race is gone? I said most, not all. What about Chinese, Indians, Mexican, Japanese etc descents. Are you all facing the same issues? If so what are they? If not, why do you think that is?
Those minority who live in small mostly white towns, are you facing discrimination or not really because you are a doctor? if you werent a doctor would you be treated differently by the mostly white towns folks? -
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Depends on who you ask.
Young people in the US have been encouraged for years now to “identify themselves” and “speak their truths” which leads to a lot of opinions on what is good, bad, and ugly regarding all issues, including existing and perceived racism.
This thread could get out of control but I would be interested in hearing any stories that people are willing to share. There are bad people everywhere and racism is just one form of “bad thing” that people are capable of doing. I truly believe that things have gotten better over time and those bad people are the vast minority of the US population. I’m not sure that you can ever 100% eliminate perceived biases that humans hold.-
Depends on who you ask… and a forum of people who earn in the top 1% and are disproportionately not African American is probably not a useful sample.
The experience of Japanese, Indian, Chinese, Jews, etc are not going to be informative of the experience of African Americans.
I will say this much. Ive taken firearms classes at one school where the good guys are represented by white cardboard targets and the bad guys are the brown cardboard targets, and when the instructor says jokingly, Remember, dont shoot the white guys, nobody bats an eye including me.
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The experience of Japanese, Indian, Chinese, Jews, etc are not going to be informative of the experience of African Americans.
I’m a rich a white guy… so I can’t add much to that.
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Jews are white so cant include them in this.
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Quote from peehdee
Jews are white so cant include them in this.
The decision that some minority ethnic groups are labelled as “white” or “non-white” is arbitrary. … and generally made by the majority whites.
There is some really interesting historical reading about the fight by Italian immigrants to make sure their group was considered “white” in the US and not dark. Same for the Greeks.
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How many minority owned and women-owned businesses were burned? How many minority folks lost their jobs because the place where they worked was burned to the ground?
I dont know.
Why wouldnt the media report that information?
The answer to that question answers a lot of other questions regarding this topic.
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Add another rich white guy to the tally. I can identify with the logical discussion above. However, it shows a certain level of ignorance on my part.
I can add my experience being married to a brown immigrant that grew up in Appalachia. Ignorance and fear leads to anger and hatred and a feeling of loss of control. That feeling in the heat of the moment leads to bad behavior.
Look what happens just on this message board. Notice the emotional and tribal/political outbursts? How can we expect a poorly educated and trained police force with a “warrior” mentality to deescalated and perform their charge as peacekeeper if highly educated professionals can’t even do it from the comfort of their home or office?-
I just heard a quote I found poignant. “The time to make friends is before you need them”
IMO this will be the key to coming out of this polarized political mess. What better place to start than a message board with a common thread, an interest in radiology as a career.-
I offer this challenge to our participants here. Go out and make friend with someone who is from a different tribe or political persuasion. Then listen.
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“The time to make friends is before you need them”
This I like.
The argument that there is nothing wrong With the status quo, no significant racism, that African Americans deserve rough treatment and occasional mishaps happen (like death) because they commit more violent crime and kinda have it coming, these do nothing to improve the situation and are standard fare for anonymous keyboard warriors, but not the leader of our great country.
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The most stunning thing when I talk to my friends of different politics is how much their view depends on reading the minds of people they dislike.
Vividly remember a poker game where one of them brought up this or that about why the president was doing this thing because his real intentions were bad.
I laughed and pointed out that I had been crushing him all night; if he couldnt divine the intentions in a simple game of the guy sitting across from him who hes known 20 years, how does he know the intentions of politicians hes never met who live 3000 miles away and are dealing with complex issues? If he were truly a mind reader of that caliber, why did he keep losing at cards?
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Let’s start closer to home … How many black Radiologists are there? I haven’t encountered as many as there should be if there was equality in Radiology …
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Quote from FlyNavy
Let’s start closer to home … How many black Radiologists are there? I haven’t encountered as many as there should be if there was equality in Radiology …
I have three african-american partners in a group of 100-ish.
Diagnositc radiology is very close to the bottom in representation by black and hispanic physicians. Same for women.
We’re down with the surgical subs as a white guys club. (And when they talk about diversity in physician hiring, if you’re asian or middle eastern you get lumped in with white) -
It was for a $20 fake bill!! The owner wishes his clerk had never called the cops! While we have people looting millions of $$$, getting away.. This world is a paradox.
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America has an extreme racist history and has plenty of racism today. It is significant part of the history of this country so it shouldn’t shock anyone that there is systemic racism still around. It may fade somewhat over the next several generations but we are no where near that point.
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All of you are murderers.
Yup. Its true. Have you read 10,000 cases in your career? I guarantee you missed a CXR lung nodule or subtle mass that ultimately killed a patient. And if you read mammo, youre a serial killer.
But Im not a murderer! you protest. Dont you know how many lives Ive saved. My reads are almost always right!
Apparently radiologists get a free pass for routinely killing people, but police officers are expected to never err.
This in no way excuses the specific case of George Floyd, which resulted in the justifiable charge of murder. And we can and should do better. But if we cannot expect perfection in our field, is it fair to hold police officers to that standard?
So how many innocents have YOU killed in your career?
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All of you are murderers.
Yup. Its true. Have you read 10,000 cases in your career? I guarantee you missed a CXR lung nodule or subtle mass that ultimately killed a patient. And if you read mammo, youre a serial killer.
But Im not a murderer! you protest. Dont you know how many lives Ive saved. My reads are almost always right!
Apparently radiologists get a free pass for routinely killing people, but police officers are expected to never err.
This in no way excuses the specific case of George Floyd, which resulted in the justifiable charge of murder. And we can and should do better. But if we cannot expect perfection in our field, is it fair to hold police officers to that standard?
So how many innocents have YOU killed in your career? And please include your address so we can picket your house and then burn down your neighborhood. Its only fair.
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All of you are murderers.
Yup. Its true. Have you read 10,000 cases in your career? I guarantee you missed a CXR lung nodule or subtle mass that ultimately killed a patient. And if you read mammo, youre a serial killer.
But Im not a murderer! you protest. Dont you know how many lives Ive saved. My reads are almost always right!
Apparently radiologists get a free pass for routinely killing people, but law enforcement (as a group) is expected to never err.
This in no way excuses the specific case of George Floyd, which resulted in the justifiable charge of murder. And we can and should do better. But if we cannot expect perfection in our field, is it fair to hold law enforcement (as a group) to that standard? Because the stance of many in the media is that the rare but inevitable brutal or unjust outcome requires that we tear down the entire system. We dont seem to apply that standard to any other field. Why? Because its not realistic to expect a perfect outcome 100% of the time in any human endeavor.
So how many innocents have YOU killed in your career? And please include your address so we can picket your house and then burn down your neighborhood. Its only fair.
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I am beginning to see the media find examples of disparate communities coming together and celebrate those instead of the aggressive acts. Perhaps we can model that behavior here? It should be easy for us.
I’ll offer the challenge again. Reach out to someone on the “other side”. -
Quote from irfellowship
All of you are murderers.
Yup. Its true. Have you read 10,000 cases in your career? I guarantee you missed a CXR lung nodule or subtle mass that ultimately killed a patient. And if you read mammo, youre a serial killer.
But Im not a murderer! you protest. Dont you know how many lives Ive saved. My reads are almost always right!
Apparently radiologists get a free pass for routinely killing people, but law enforcement (as a group) is expected to never err.
This in no way excuses the specific case of George Floyd, which resulted in the justifiable charge of murder. And we can and should do better. But if we cannot expect perfection in our field, is it fair to hold law enforcement (as a group) to that standard? Because the stance of many in the media is that the rare but inevitable brutal or unjust outcome requires that we tear down the entire system. We dont seem to apply that standard to any other field. Why? Because its not realistic to expect a perfect outcome 100% of the time in any human endeavor.
So how many innocents have YOU killed in your career? And please include your address so we can picket your house and then burn down your neighborhood. Its only fair.
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Quote from Flounce
“The time to make friends is before you need them”
This I like.
The argument that there is nothing wrong With the status quo, no significant racism, that African Americans deserve rough treatment and occasional mishaps happen (like death) because they commit more violent crime and kinda have it coming, these do nothing to improve the situation and are standard fare for anonymous keyboard warriors, but not the leader of our great country.
Well said Flounce.
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systemic racism a thing of the past!
what year is this? 1963? 2023?
[h1][b]Black man elected mayor of Alabama town — then white locals changed the locks on town hall: lawsuit[/b][/h1]
[i][link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2023%2F08%2F06%2Fus%2Fnewbern-alabama-mayor-dispute%2Findex.html]CNN reports[/link] that Patrick Braxton says that he ran for mayor unopposed in 2020, thus becoming the first Black man to ever get elected as mayor in Newbern’s history.“The lawsuit alleges the locks on the town hall were changed so Braxton could not get in, adding he was denied access to the post office box used for official mail, and a local bank would not let him see the town accounts,” writes CNN.
Braxton then alleges that the town had a secret special election that resulted in the selection of previous Mayor Haywood Woody Stokes III to another term.
“To prevent Braxton from appointing a majority black Town council, the Defendants… agreed to hold a secret meeting and adopt resolutions to conduct a special election,” claims that lawsuit, which says that white councilors claimed they simply had “forgotten” to qualify to run for election that year.[/i]
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Falabama-racism-lawsuit%2F]https://www.rawstory.com/alabama-racism-lawsuit/[/link]
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there’s videos of a brawl that went down in ‘Bama. Looked like some white people where trying to beat on a black security guard and then it turned into an all out brawl on the river.
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i think you get a lot of confirmation bias with this stuff- see what you expect to see
[b]also nothing gets clicks and shares like stories that make people angry- [/b]
A lot of this “systemic” racism is non falsifiable
in my view the MO of the black leadership is basically self pity. that doesnt work for individuals or for groups.
Finally, any of you “rich white guys” went to an inner city high school (like i did) , then you would know that whites can be the victim of racism too. I am rich 🙂 but my parents were poor…
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Ever see a national news story (TV) of a white guy getting killed by a cop? Exactly. Yet it happens much more frequently compared to blacks, who commit an extraordinarily high % of violent crime. What’s more? More blacks die in encounters with non-white police officers than with white police officers.
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yeah but better to not challenge the narrative ,or put any buzz killing nuance in it
sells advertising , allows some delicious virtue signaling and orgasmic indignation – who cares if the cities burn..? smh
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