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Our president is a Russian agent
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[link=https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-read-michael-cohens-latest-plea-and-its-revelations-about-trump-organization]Lawfare[/link]: Before we dive into the weeds, lets pause a moment over this. Because in important respects, the legalitiesor illegalitiesat issue here are secondary points. The primary point is that this is all utterly unacceptable. That a large swath of the public, and the legislative branch, has chosen to accept it does not make it more reasonable that a man seeking to be president of the United States would at the same time publicly cozy up to a foreign dictator and negotiate with his regime over a potential business opportunityand then cover it all up. The story is likely to get worse.
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[link=https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/]Foreign Policy[/link]:[b]How Russian Money Saved Trumps Business
[/b] As late as 2003, Trump was in such desperate financial trouble that at a meeting with his siblings following his fathers death he pressed them to hurriedly sell his fathers estate off, against the late Fred Trumps wishes, the New York Times reported in an investigation of Trump family finances in October. And his businesses kept failing: In 2004, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy with $1.8 billion dollars of debt.
But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources with knowledge of Trumps business, foreign money played a large role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of New York.
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You guys forget how impactful “Russian” money was on the election
[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKtuHg1M7hk[/link]
LOL, I wonder why
Shall I post the billions the Clinton foundation and DNC spent?
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Sure I’d like to see your evidence that backs your claims. Other than that it’s just an unsubstantiated opinion
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Comrade F@gan never posts evidence likely because he knows his statements are FOS. He’s a Russian Troll. Or at best a Russian Useful Idiot.
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[b][link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/09/donald-trump-team-contact-russian-officials/2530829002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomwashington-topstories]USA Toda[/link]y: Trumps Team Had 100+ Contacts with Russian Operatives[/b]
Members of President Trumps campaign and transition team had more than 100 contacts with Russian-linked operatives.
The milestone illustrates the deep ties between members of Trumps circle and the Kremlin. The findings, tracked by the Center for American Progress and its [link=https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/]Moscow Project[/link], come amid reports that special counsel Robert Mueller is nearing the conclusion of the two-year investigation into Russian collusion in the 2016 election and possible obstruction of justice by the president.
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F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia[/h1] [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…mp-russia-inquiry.html[/link]
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F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…mp-russia-inquiry.html[/link]
Crazy!
“Law enforcement officials became so concerned by the presidents behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests ”
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Sessions was recused so this would have been signed off on by Rosenstein. This is most likely the fetus of what became the Mueller investigation. That’s not “news”.
But what is news is that the FBI thought is was Trump… not “Trump associates” or “Trump campaign staffers” … Trump.
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NYT got under someone’s skin: 🙂
[link=https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/425032-trump-renews-attacks-on-comey-after-ny-times-report-about-fbi-probe]https://thehill.com/polic…report-about-fbi-probe[/link]
[link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1084062079907229697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1084062079907229697&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fpolicy%2Fnational-security%2F425032-trump-renews-attacks-on-comey-after-ny-times-report-about-fbi-probe]https://twitter.com/realD…report-about-fbi-probe[/link]
[link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1084065832941031424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1084065832941031424&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fpolicy%2Fnational-security%2F425032-trump-renews-attacks-on-comey-after-ny-times-report-about-fbi-probe]https://twitter.com/realD…report-about-fbi-probe[/link]
...Funny thing about James Comey. Everybody wanted him fired, Republican and Democrat alike. After the rigged & botched Crooked Hillary investigation, where she was interviewed on July 4th Weekend, not recorded or sworn in, and where she said she didn’t know anything (a lie),....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2019
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[b]What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion? On the New York Timess Latest Bombshell[/b]
[link=https://www.auntminnie.com/Forum/"https:/www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-obstruction-was-collusion-new-york-timess-latest-bombshell?utm_source=CNN+Media%3A+Reliable+Sources&utm_campaign=c086116f77-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_11_04_47_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e95cdc16a9-c086116f77-83048081"]Benjamin Wittes[/link] writes in [i]Lawfare Blog[/i]that the [i]New York Times[/i] had been working on their [link=https://www.auntminnie.com/Forum/"https:/politicalwire.com/2019/01/11/fbi-probed-whether-trump-was-working-for-russia/"]bombshell story[/link] about the FBI investigating President Trump for weeks.
Heres the bottom line: I believe that between todays New York Times story and some other earlier material I have been sifting through and thinking about, we might be in a position to revisit the relationship between the collusion and obstruction components of the Mueller investigation. Specifically, I now believe they are far more integrated with one another than I previously understood.
The public understanding of and debate over the Mueller investigation rests on several discrete premises that I believe should be reexamined. The first is the sharp line between the investigation of collusion and the investigation of obstruction of justice. The second is the sharp line between the counter-intelligence components of the investigation and the criminal components. The third and most fundamental is the notion that the investigation was, in the first place, an investigation of the Trump campaign and figures associated with it.
Put simply, I dont believe the FBI, having an open counterintelligence investigation, simply opened a new criminal investigation of obstruction in the wake of the Comey firing. I think there likely wasand still isone umbrella investigation with a number of different threads. That one investigation was (and is) about Russia. And it had (and still has), as a subsidiary matter, a number of subsidiary files open about people on the U.S. side who had links to Russian government activity. Each of these files had (and still has) all of the counterintelligence and criminal tools available to the U.S. government at its disposal.
So when the president sought to impair the investigation, having declared both in the draft letter dismissing Comey and to Lester Holt that his action was connected in some way to the Russia investigation, that raised both potential criminal questions and major counterintelligence questionsquestions that could only have been reinforced when Trump later announced to senior Russian government officials that he had relieved pressure on himself by acting as he did. It did so both because it threatened the investigation itself and because it fit directly into a pattern of interface between Trump campaign officials and Russian government actors that they were already investigating.
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…if it is correct that the FBIs principal interest in obstruction was not as a discrete criminal fact pattern but as a national security threat, this significantly blurs the distinction between the obstruction and collusion aspects of the investigation. In this construction, obstruction was not a problem distinct from collusion, as has been generally imagined. Rather, in this construction, obstruction [i]was[/i] the collusion, or at least part of it. The obstruction of justice statutes become, in this understanding, merely one set of statutes investigators might think about using to deal with a national security riskspecifically, the risk of a person on the U.S. side coordinating with or supporting Russian activity by shutting down the investigation.
It was about Russia. It was always about Russia. Full stop.
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There’s been plenty of evident right out in the open. This doesn’t seem to mention he seems to be increasingly towing the Russian line. Syria or comments on Afghanistan that defy all logic.
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Ergh. No edit buttons on tablet.
So reading into the NYT piece a bit more it seems like Mueller and the FBI might have something of a real time feed of obstructing justice.
The parting shot from Obama was signing the EO that allowed them get access right into whatever the NSA collects. The NSA collects all data on the network. Plus whatever else is being fed in by other nations spying on Russia.
Maybe even an informant like Don Mcgann.
Trump also had a Twitter meltdown about the 13 angry Dems and Peter Strzok. If he wasn’t feeling the pinch on his nuts already this story sure should make him tighten up.
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[b]Trump Has Concealed Details of Discussions with Putin: [/b]
President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, the Washington Post reports.
Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trumps actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.
There is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trumps face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader over the past two years Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.
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A Very Suspicious Timeline
Andrew Weiss connects the dots:
On July 7, 2017, President trump attended the G-20 summit in Hamburg, Germany and had his first in-person encounter with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
On the morning of July 7, the New York Times informed the White House that it was publishing a story about the now infamous Trump Tower meeting between Don Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort and a Russian lawyer with Russian government connections, Natalya Veselnitskaya. The newspaper asked for comment.
On the afternoon of July 7, Trump and Putin, accompanied only by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Russian ambassador Sergei Lavrov and their interpreters, met for 2 and 1/2 hours. We learned from the Washington Post over the weekend that Trump took the U.S. interpreters notes and told her not to brief senior National Security Council or State Department aides about the conversation.
On the evening of July 7, during the formal G20 summit dinner, Trump sought out Putin for a secret side conversation, which Reuters reported 10 days later. Trump did not inform his staff about this meeting. Putins interpreter was the only other participant.
On July 8, Trump dictated a false and misleading statement on Air Force One for his son to release about the Trump Tower meeting, suggesting it was about adoption policy. Of course, we now know that the Trump Tower meeting was set up specifically for Veselnitskaya to share dirt with the Trump campaign on Hillary Clinton.
[b]Put another way: Just hours after the New York Times reached out to the White House to ask about a secret meeting during the campaign with the Russians, Trump sought out a secret meeting with Putin.[/b]
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[b][T]here is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trumps face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.[/b]
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-has-concealed-details-of-his-face-to-face-encounters-with-putin-from-senior-officials-in-administration/2019/01/12/65f6686c-1434-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e58362a92e0d]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world…=.e58362a92e0d[/link]
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[link=https://www.wired.com/story/president-trump-mueller-russia-agent-putin/]Garrett Graff[/link]: [b]We should hope that Trump is a Russian Agent[/b]
The pattern of his pro-Putin, pro-Russia, anti-FBI, anti-intelligence community actions are so one-sided, and the lies and obfuscation surrounding every single Russian meeting and conversation so consistent that if this president isnt actually hiding a massive conspiracy, it means the alternative is worse: America elected a chief executive so oblivious to geopolitics, so self-centered and personally insecure, so naturally predisposed to undermine democratic institutions and coddle authoritarians, and so terrible a manager and leader that he cluelessly surrounded himself with crooks, grifters, and agents of foreign powers that hes compromised the national security of the US government and undermined 75 years of critical foreign alliances, just to satiate his own ego.
In short, weve reached a point in the Mueller probe where there are only two scenarios left: Either the president is compromised by the Russian government and has been working covertly to cooperate with Vladimir Putin after Russia helped win him the 2016 electionor Trump will go down in history as the worlds most famous useful idiot, as communists used to call those who could be co-opted to the cause without realizing it.
At least the former scenariothat the president of the United States is actively working to advance the interests of our countrys foremost, long-standing, traditional foreign adversarywould make him seem smarter and wilier. The latter scenario is simply a tragedy, or maybe a farce for everyone involved.
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This was not surprising
Its been obvious since the trump team changed the republicans party platform at the convention in July of 2016
The spade was called a spade at that time
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Oh, oh. Giuliani now explicitly stating that he “Never said there was no collusion” with the Russians between “members of the Trump Administration,” only that THE PRESIDENT did not collude!
Suddenly the Nothingburger is admitted to have a lot of meat between the buns!
The walls are closing in.
Mr. Mayor, false reporting is saying that nobody in the campaign had any contacts with Russia, Cuomo responded. False reporting is saying that there has been no suggestion of any kind of collusion between the campaign and any Russians.
Giuliani jumped in.
You just misstated my position, Giuliani said. I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or between people in the campaign.
Cuomos face contorted into an expression of disbelief. Yes, you have, he shot back.
As recently as July, Giuliani was [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMbjmFKEoGQ]asked[/link] by Fox News contributor Guy Benson, Regardless of whether collusion would be a crime, is it still the position of you and your client that there was no collusion with the Russians whatsoever on behalf of the Trump campaign?Correct, Giuliani responded at the time.
But on Wednesday, Giuliani appeared to amend his previous comments on the subject.
I said the president of the United States, he protested, arguing that he had only ever said Trump himself was not connected to any Russian meddling in the 2016 election. There is not a single bit of evidence the president of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspired with the Russians to hack the DNC.
On his show, which aired immediately after Cuomos, Don Lemon summed up the exchange for his viewers.
Man, Rudy Giuliani out-Giulianied himself tonight, Lemon said.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment early Thursday.
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I’m sure Putin will welcome all ex-Americans to Russia with open arms. We’ll lose about 1/3 of voters & Russia will benefit from our “brain drain” but some things have to be done for everyone’s benefit.
We should start a Go Fund Me for all the Trump supporters to move to their “Worker’s Paradise” in Russia.
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Again no surprise
Trump team is an international organized crime group
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So what’s the deal with the Trump admin trying to relax santions on the Russian oligarch. Mnuchin was trying to explain and it seems like BS. This got thoroughly spanked in the house today 362-53. It wafts of the same Russian stink that’s all over the WH.
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Its part of his deal
The sanctions are costing Putin and his cronies billions and billions
Trump has to kiss the ring to get them lifted
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Organized international crime syndicate
Putin is in charge of trump
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Trump protecting his interests in Russia, both the collusion and the future Moscow Trump Tower.
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[h1]Senate Investigators Seek Moscow-Based Trump Associate[/h1]
Senate investigators want to question a Moscow-based American businessman with longstanding ties to President Donald Trump after witnesses told them he could shed light on the Presidents commercial and personal activities in Russia dating back to the 1990s, multiple sources have told [link=https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/21/politics/senate-trump-russia-david-geovanis-intl/index.html]CNN[/link].
The Senate Intelligence Committee, which is probing allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 elections, has been keen to speak with David Geovanis for several months.
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[b][size=”5″]Aunt Minnie poster “dergon” increases font and bolds another nothing burger[/size][/b]
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as of now I’ve blocked you
I’d appreciate it you delete insult posts and refrain from naming me directly.-
cigars idea of constructive discussion.
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cigars idea of constructive discussion.
Yes, lying about everything and obsessive, speculative or flat out wrong posts are “constructive”
Amazing how crazy you guys are. I guess you are unrepentant, so it’ll get crazier.
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[link=https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/RhonaGraffA.pdf]https://judiciary.house.g…uments/RhonaGraffA.pdf[/link]
House subpoenas the record of conversation between Trump and Putin:
2) All documents relating to the following:
m) The contents of meetings between President Trump and Vladimir Putin on July 7, 2017, November 11, 2017, July 16, 2018, and November 30, 2018.-
A Finnish journalist, Jessikka Aro was nominated to receive the International Women of Courage Award, which was to be presented in Washington by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for being one of the first, if not the first to expose the Russian trolls, IRA. She’s been attacked on social media by the Russian trolls since.
The award has been rescinded by the Trump Administration since they discovered she had praised the Mueller investigation.
Shocking! Simply shocking that the Trump Administration doesn’t tolerate criticism!
Aro saw the actions of Kremlin-connected internet trolls as “a threat to Finnish people’s freedom of speech” telling [i][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Welle]Deutsche Welle[/link][/i](DW) she “was really astonished to find out that it’s quite bigsuper big actually.”[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Schultz-4][4][/link][/sup]
After a visit to St Petersburg to investigate the [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency]Internet Research Agency[/link], where she interviewed employees at the “troll factory” who create fake online accounts and produce fake stories, she encountered a significant backlash from pro-Russian trolls.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Schultz-4][4][/link][/sup][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Higgins2016-1][1][/link][/sup][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-5][5][/link][/sup] She describes responses as including a phone call from a Ukrainian number with the sound of a pistol firing in the other end, as well as a cell phone text message purporting to be from her father (who had died 20 years earlier) indicating he was keeping watch of her.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Miller2016-6][6][/link][/sup] Another particularly vocal critic was [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_B%C3%A4ckman]Johan Bäckman[/link] who made false claims about her assisting the Estonian and United States security services.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Aro2015-2][2][/link][/sup][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Miller2016-6][6][/link][/sup] Aro told [i][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy]Foreign Policy[/link][/i] magazine: “The goal of these campaigns is to discredit the voices in Finland that are critical of Russia.”[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-7][7][/link][/sup] Her series of articles led to Aro receiving Bonnier’s Award for Journalism in March 2016.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-8][8][/link][/sup]
The [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union]European Union[/link] told the [i][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Morning_Herald]Sydney Morning Herald[/link][/i] it was an escalation of Russian “[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_warfare]information warfare[/link]” against the West.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Miller2016-6][6][/link][/sup] She has published an article in the journal of the centre-right [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Peoples_Party]European Peoples Party[/link] describing the “brutal” harassment that she attributes to Russian trolls.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-European_View-9][9][/link][/sup] This behaviour includes [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing]doxing[/link] such as the revelation of her drug conviction for possession when she was 20 which was turned into a false claim she is a “NATO drug dealer”.[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-European_View-9][9][/link][/sup][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-10][10][/link][/sup][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessikka_Aro#cite_note-Higgins2018-3][3][/link][/sup]
According to [i][link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy]Foreign Policy[/link][/i] Aro was informed by the [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State]US State Department[/link] that she would be one of the winners of the 2019 [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women_of_Courage_Award]International Women of Courage Awards[/link]. The notification was rescinded shortly before the award ceremony, reputedly because of her positive public statements about the [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)]Mueller investigation[/link].
[link=https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/07/u-s-cancels-journalists-award-over-her-criticism-of-trump-international-women-in-courage-award-state-department/amp/]https://foreignpolicy.com…-state-department/amp/[/link]
Jessikka Aro, a Finnish investigative journalist, has faced down death threats and harassment over her work exposing Russias propaganda machine long before the 2016 U.S. presidential elections. In January, the U.S. State Department took notice, telling Aro she would be honored with the prestigious International Women of Courage Award, to be presented in Washington by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Weeks later, the State Department rescinded the award offer. A State Department spokesperson said it was due to a regrettable error, but Aro and U.S. officials familiar with the internal deliberations tell a different story. They say the department revoked her award after U.S. officials went through Aros social media posts and found she had also frequently criticized President Donald Trump.
It created a shitstorm of getting her unceremoniously kicked off the list, said one U.S. diplomatic source familiar with the internal deliberations. I think it was absolutely the wrong decision on so many levels, the source said. The decision had nothing to do with her work.
To U.S. officials who spoke to FP, the incident underscores how skittish some officialscareer and political alikehave become over government dealings with vocal critics of a notoriously thin-skinned president.
Aro is a prolific Twitter user and was originally chosen for the award because of her[link=https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12290-016-0395-5] investigative[/link] work[link=http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/my-year-as-a-pro-russia-troll-magnet] exposing[/link] Russian troll factories. She often debunks misinformation spread online and comments on major news events related to propaganda and election interference, including Brexit and the ongoing[link=https://twitter.com/JessikkaAro/status/1097932463123386369]investigation[/link] by special counsel Robert Mueller into links between the Russian government and Trumps campaign. She has regularly tweeted criticism about Trumps sharp political rhetoric and attacks on the press. Aro also helped organize a demonstration in Helsinki when the Finnish capital[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/helsinki-summit-trump-putin/565220/] hosted[/link] a summit between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in July 2018.
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FBI Expected to Brief Gang of 8 on Mueller Report[/h1]
The FBI is prepared to brief congressional leaders on the counterintelligence findings of special counsel Robert Muellers investigation, [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/fbi-expected-brief-house-senate-gang-8-mueller-s-counterintel-n987111?cid=eml_pol_20190326]NBC News[/link] reports.
The FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into President Trump, and the letter sent to Congress on Sunday by Attorney General William Barr about the Mueller probe is silent on the question of whether investigators found that Trump or anyone around him might be compromised or influenced by Russia.
The officials said they expect the FBI to brief the so-called Gang of 8 the leaders of the House and the Senate and the chairmen and ranking members of the intelligence committees in closed session.-
How is post 282 not in the HOF?
He blocked me after that, amazing.
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Holy sheet this is scary stuff. The far right has put a Russian agent/stoolie in as out president
Hopefully he isn’t allowed to finish out his term
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Wrong on everything he claims. Lies. Creates chaos.
And of course, Trump’ll get [b]4 more years[/b].
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Giuliani: ‘Nothing wrong’ with campaign taking information from Russians[/h1]
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/439895-giuliani-nothing-wrong-with-campaign-taking-information-from-russians]https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/439895-giuliani-nothing-wrong-with-campaign-taking-information-from-russians
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[link=https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump]President Trump[/link]’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that there was “nothing wrong” with a campaign accepting help from Russia.
“Theres nothing wrong with taking information from Russians,” Giuliani told CNN host Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”
“It depends on where it came from,” he added. “You’re assuming that the giving of information is a campaign contribution.”
Tapper pushed back on Giuliani’s claim, questioning whether Giuliani would accept information from Russians against a candidate if he were running for office.
“I probably wouldn’t. I wasn’t asked,” Giuliani responded. “I would have advised, just out of excess of caution, don’t do it.”
“But you’re saying there was nothing wrong with doing that,” Tapper interjected.
“There’s no crime,” Giuliani replied. “We’re going to get into morality? That isn’t what prosecutors look at morality.”
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dergon, your posts are very passive-aggressive.
You tell us – [b][i]is [/i][/b]there something wrong with getting information from Russians?-
These threads are still going! This, I must say, was an all time AM great. I believe he “blocked” me because of it. He must not have put his vagisil on that day.
[b][size=”5″]Aunt Minnie poster “dergon” increases font and bolds another nothing burger[/size][/b]
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dergon, your posts are very passive-aggressive.
You tell us – [b][i]is [/i][/b]there something wrong with getting information from Russians?
Think about how embarrassing all of these indelible posts are for these guys, lol
“Russian Agent”
“He won’t finish out his term”
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dergon, your posts are very passive-aggressive.
You tell us – [b][i]is [/i][/b]there something wrong with getting information from Russians?
It’s written into US code. You can’t take anything of value (information) when in a federal, state, or local election. I couldn’t accept Russian help if I was running to be the local dog catcher. The only thing that’s saving Don Jr is that he’s too stupid to have known better. Which I don’t understand because ignorance of law isn’t an excuse. Even Rudy went on to say he wouldn’t have done it and would’ve exercised an abundance of caution. Keep in mind Rudy hasn’t exactly been coming off as the sharpest legal mind lately.
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Something doesnt have to be criminal to be wrong.
We have put to bed the topic of election- related criminal conspiracy with russia.
That doesnt mean there was nothing wrong.
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This is totally normal
The enemy is not Russia
Its those evil democrats
Russian are our friends who help us get elected
How could anyone else thing this is wrong
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Something doesnt have to be criminal to be wrong.
We have put to bed the topic of election- related criminal conspiracy with russia.
That doesnt mean there was nothing wrong.
But that’s now a political question. The history of the last two years of the Trump administration doesn’t sound like those low level contacts prior to the election made a difference. The russians did whatever they pleased under Obama and they do whatever they please now.-
do you believe that what is described in the report is true about Russian efforts? Regardless of if you think Trump and his campaign colluded, is it fair to say the Russians meddled and not just on behalf of Trump? If so how do you take Trump seriously when he says he believes Putin?
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do you believe that what is described in the report is true about Russian efforts? Regardless of if you think Trump and his campaign colluded, is it fair to say the Russians meddled and not just on behalf of Trump? If so how do you take Trump seriously when he says he believes Putin?
In a 2,200m campaign, a low level intel unit of the russian military bought 100k worth of ads and staged some ‘rallys’ that drew participants in the single digit range. They also spammed twitter with meaningless trollposts that 99% of users just clicked through. Unless there is a much larger effort that we dont know about yet, the ‘meddling’ was inconsequential and disappeared in the noise of a large noisy political campaign. Hillary alone spent 85mil on facebook advertising, anyone who believes that 110k worth in ad buys by the russians successfully countered that effort is delusional.Unless there was a larger effort that we dont know about yet, what has been shown so far was a mickey-mouse operation involving some 20 people and a sub million budget. The Eastern Northwest Tennessee college of barbers and estheticians has a more robust lobbying and public relations department than the ‘IRA’.
Interesting story. Could have been handled by a handful of analysts at the counterintelligence division of the FBI in a few weeks around the election. The facts in the IRA indictment where known in the summer before the election. But why do that if you can use it to change the result of an election that you didn’t like ?
As for all the people offering ‘dirt’ or ‘Hillarys emails’. Well, they didn’t have ‘dirt’ and didn’t have ‘Hillarys emails’. The russians, through Podestas negligence and the poor IT safety practices at the DNC, had Podestas emails. The only reason they potentially affected the election is because they exposed the corrupt practices inside of the democratic apparatus apparatus. And that transparency was a good thing.
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Too bad for you thats hardly the whole story and says nothing about Trumps corruption. Had that been the sole finding there could be zero discussion of Trump, his family & administrations involvement. After all, the Trump Tower meeting did not promise some fake Facebook posts in exchange for removing the Magnitsky Act and sanctions.
Lousy attempt at amateur sleight of hand distraction, fw.
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This guy read a different report than I read
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They see only what they want to see, all else is either okey-dokey or if contradicts preconceived opinions, ignorable. Dont confuse them with facts.
Trumps is a corrupt administration & the report confirms that and all the prior unflattering books about this administration. Grifters all. After all, all the unflattering things reported in Muellers report are not interpretations or opinions but straight reporting of facts from those who actually work and have worked forTrump.
No wonder he demands no one take notes and most everyone he can bully sign NDAs.
I dont remember! Is Trumps written testimony.
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They see only what they want to see, all else is either okey-dokey or if contradicts preconceived opinions, ignorable. Dont confuse them with facts.
Trumps is a corrupt administration & the report confirms that and all the prior unflattering books about this administration. Grifters all. After all, all the unflattering things reported in Muellers report are not interpretations or opinions but straight reporting of facts from those who actually work and have worked forTrump.
No wonder he demands no one take notes and most everyone he can bully sign NDAs.
I dont remember! Is Trumps written testimony.
But as fw already stated, he & all the supporters already knew and know this about Trump. It does not matter. None of it matters.
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From left wing rag, WSJ:
[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-report-kicks-ball-into-voters-hands-11555617943]https://www.wsj.com/artic…ters-hands-11555617943[/link]
Still, those who hoped for a clear, black-or-white day of reckoning didnt get that on Thursday.
For starters, Mr. Trump certainly didnt get the kind of clean bill of health his public remarks suggested. Over some 200 pages, the Mueller report detailed Russian moves to interfere with the 2016 electionultimately to help the Trump campaignas well as Russian efforts to engage Trump associates, who in turn appeared more than happy to have the help.
While saying he found no conspiracy to work with the Russians, Mr. Muellers language was narrow rather than sweeping. While investigators identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence wasnt sufficient to support criminal charges, the report says.
Moreover, it adds, several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign liedabout their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters.
In a striking aside, the report says that on the night Mr. Trump was elected, a Russian official received a message from an associate reading, Putin has won, a reference to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Mr. Muellers most controversial move was to lay out steps Mr. Trump took that could be seen as efforts to obstruct justicefiring then-Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey, seeking to have Mr. Mueller fired, seeking to block disclosure of key emailsonly to decline to say one way or the other whether criminal behavior took place.
In a bit of legal equivocation certain to be remembered long after the details are forgotten, the report said: Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
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In a striking aside, the report says that on the night Mr. Trump was elected, a Russian official received a message from an associate reading, Putin has won, a reference to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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Even Kirstjen Nielsen was frustrated by Trump’s deliberate blind eye to ongoing Russian interference. She did not realize Russians are not brown and therefore not the enemy! Her sole responsibility was to keep the brown people from “invading” the Southern border.
But then she’s not a patriot like Trump and his enablers. PUTIN FOR PRESIDENT OF AMERICA! And then Trump can get his tower in Moscow.
Stupid Kirstjen!
The [u]real[/u] question to be asked and answered is do Republicans hate America that much? And love Russia and its government that much more?
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/russia-2020-election-trump.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…20-election-trump.html[/link]
In the months before Kirstjen Nielsen was forced to resign, she tried to focus the White House on one of her highest priorities as homeland security secretary: preparing for new and different Russian forms of interference in the 2020 election.
President Trumps chief of staff told her not to bring it up in front of the president.
in a meeting this year, Mick Mulvaney, the White House chief of staff, made it clear that Mr. Trump still equated any public discussion of malign Russian election activity with questions about the legitimacy of his victory. According to one senior administration official, Mr. Mulvaney said it wasnt a great subject and should be kept below his level.
Even though the Department of Homeland Security has primary responsibility for civilian cyberdefense, Ms. Nielsen eventually gave up on her effort to organize a White House meeting of cabinet secretaries to coordinate a strategy to protect next years elections.
As a result, the issue did not gain the urgency or widespread attention that a president can command. [b]And it meant that many Americans remain unaware of the latest versions of Russian interference. [i](Ignorance is bliss to Trumpets! – Italics mine)[/i][/b]
Before she [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/us/politics/kirstjen-nielsen-dhs-resigns.html?module=inline]resigned under pressure on April 7[/link], Ms. Nielsen and other officials looked for other ways to raise the alarm.
The opening page of the [link=https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/2019-ATA-SFR—SSCI.pdf]Worldwide Threat Assessment[/link], a public document compiled by government intelligence agencies that was delivered to Congress in late January, warned that the threat landscape could look very different in 2020 and future elections.
[b]Russias social media efforts will continue to focus on aggravating social and racial tensions, undermining trust in authorities and criticizing perceived anti-Russia politicians, the report noted. It also predicted that Moscow may employ additional influence tool kits such as spreading disinformation, conducting hack-and-leak operations or manipulating data in a more targeted fashion to influence U.S. policy, actions and elections.[/b]
By comparison, cyberthreats have taken a back seat among security priorities at the White House.
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The left is completely unhinged. No one gives a sh!t about
your endless opinions about the Trump administration. The
middle of the bell curve cares about the economy, jobs and
safety of the Union. The current administration is doing quite well in these areas. Democrats openly call for open borders. Increased taxes, free this and free that.
Oh and its very important to the dems that terrorist murderers,
pedophiles and rapists be given the right to vote while serving time
in prison.
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Quote from dergon
Something doesnt have to be criminal to be wrong.
We have put to bed the topic of election- related criminal conspiracy with russia.
That doesnt mean there was nothing wrong.
I believe it’s both. There’s maybe less than ZERO integrity in the WH.
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Quote from fw
Quote from dergon
Something doesnt have to be criminal to be wrong.
We have put to bed the topic of election- related criminal conspiracy with russia.
That doesnt mean there was nothing wrong.
But that’s now a political question. The history of the last two years of the Trump administration doesn’t sound like those low level contacts prior to the election made a difference. The russians did whatever they pleased under Obama and they do whatever they please now.
What are you arguing here, fw? That everything Trump is doing and has done is okey-dokey because it is not illegal? And it is specifically not illegal because Mueller specifically did not indict? However let’s not forget that Mueller specifically thought he did not have the legal authority to indict a sitting president thinking that is the sole responsibility of Congress to first impeach before an indictment can be done.
That small matter of Mueller & his team believing they had no authority to indict blow a big hole in your argument that the president is innocent of wrongdoing according to the report when Mueller SPECIFICALLY stated that the report did not exonerate Trump. That is anything but a not guilty report.
And let’s also not forget that while the report did state there was no active conspiracy of Trump and his family and people conspiring with eh Russians, it also did point out that it was not for lack of trying. Here was the Trump family and organization actively soliciting and directly asking for hacked (read obtained through spying) information to be handed to them to be used to win the election. They are wannabe criminals in this aspect. They don’t get a pass for this simply because the Russians neither trusted nor needed them to release the information since they had Assange & Wikileaks who was reliable. But the Russians were looking for a quid pro quo regarding the removal of sanctions and the Magnitsky Act. And let’s not forget how the Magnitsky Act came about. Or don’t you know?
And so actively soliciting information from an American enemy about a political rival in order to tilt the election in your favor is fine because it is not specifically illegal as politics is hardball. That rule for you exists for you in all cases even had Clinton or Obama solicited information? And yet the Right is having fits over the Steele report even thought it was completely legal not coming from a hostile foreign poser and was originally ordered by a rival Republican while twisting the story to appear as if Clinton’s people ordered the information? Seems like both sides of the mouth are speaking here.
Mueller had no authority to indict so he passed on the report which is not a total exoneration despite Trump’s and your and Fox News opinion that it did. And since a sitting president cannot be indicted said president also cannot be declared innocent because it cannot, by definition be a legal opinion. That can only happen after said president leaves or is removed for office. As for impeachment, since “legally guilty” is a legal impossibility, impeachment is “political.” Let’s recall that Nixon was told to resign or he would be impeached. For what? For stating on tape that he wanted the Special Prosecutor removed. Trump has gone way beyond this. Times have changed indeed.
And Clinton, he was impeached for lying about a non-crime. Something Barr and Trump’s enablers have said cannot happen if there is not crime. Yet Republicans peached Clinton. Looks like that argument has been shot in the head by said Republicans.
As for soliciting a hostile enemy, the Russians for information stolen through spying by the Russians, Giuliani and you say that is perfectly OK. It is?
There are multiple reasons for removing Trump based on this report alone. “Guilt” is not an issue as it is impossible to do that with a sitting president but there is certainly enough information for consideration of a trial. And the argument that ethics and morality have zero bearing? Really? You would advocate that we publicly sink so low that ethics and morality are not an issue to consider?
You certainly do believe in Putin’s argument that everyone has dirty hands and therefore everyone is equally guilty.
It is only winning that matters, not how you get there. The American Way! No different from any other tin-plated dictator in the world.
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Who wins a trade war between China and USA…. Russia.
Thanks to agent Orange.-
The “Russian Agent” caught on a hot mic with Medvedev … oh yeah, I forgot, that was Obama.
Funny how there aren’t threads about that.-
Oh look! An Obama Squirrel!
Are you making some sort of point?
Fake news.
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I had nothing to do with russia helping me get elected
~ Donald Trump
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Yes, his phrasing says it all. He knows he was elected due in part to Russia’s interference and hacking and selective and timed release of information.
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Yes that’s it.
Frumi and Dergon were manipulated by the
Russians to vote for Trump.
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Quote from IR_CONSULT
Yes that’s it.
Frumi and Dergon were manipulated by the
Russians to vote for Trump.
Such nonsense….people were duped by Russians via FB. Also I don’t think we know yet what happened on the 2 counties voting equipment in Fla.
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IR wasn’t duped by Russians, he did it all by himself.
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American exceptionalism
I had nothing to do with Russia helping me get elected
Yep American exceptionalism
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Can you prove with facts not opinions that Russian
interference changed the results of our election?
Did any other countries interfere with our election?
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Can you prove with facts not opinions that Russian
interference changed the results of our election?
Did any other countries interfere with our election?
Have you met anyone that changed their vote because of
Facebook posts?Yes, a few people. Some who were Democrats but most all who read & started reposting these fake Facebook posts. Pointing out they are false and even faked and Russian origin does not change their new anti-Democratic position. All of a sudden Democrats are the Party of “those people.”
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Obama went to McConnell to coordinate a bipartisan joint response
Mitch put partisanship first and said that if Obama went public they would accuse him of interfering in the electon
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American exceptionalism
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Nothing too low for McConnell & Republicans.
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Quote from IR_CONSULT
Can you prove with facts not opinions that Russian
interference changed the results of our election?
Did any other countries interfere with our election?
Have you met anyone that changed their vote because of
Facebook posts?Yes, a few people. Some who were Democrats but most all who read & started reposting these fake Facebook posts. Pointing out they are false and even faked and Russian origin does not change their new anti-Democratic position. All of a sudden Democrats are the Party of “those people.”
Wow, excellent work. A few people. If someone changed their vote because of fake Facebook posts maybe they
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Can you prove with facts not opinions that Russian
interference changed the results of our election?
Did any other countries interfere with our election?
Have you met anyone that changed their vote because of
Facebook posts?Yes, a few people. Some who were Democrats but most all who read & started reposting these fake Facebook posts. Pointing out they are false and even faked and Russian origin does not change their new anti-Democratic position. All of a sudden Democrats are the Party of “those people.”
Wow, excellent work. A few people. If someone changed their vote because of fake Facebook posts maybe they
are just not intelligent enough to vote.Your point was I am supposed to know ALL of the Trump voters in 2016 & tell you ALL of them that were influenced by Russian Facebook posts or else my experience does not count at all?
A more accurate viewpoint would be anyone who voted for Trump is not intelligent and informed enough to vote.
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Haha
Let’s be honest Frumi, fake facebook posts had zero influence
on the election. You’ve been in the denial phase of grieving
for a long time.
As for me being a total tool….you are getting cranky.
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cmon man go back to pretending that you are a cardiologist who just hangs out on a radiology message board for laughs or better yet an independently wealthy IR rad who doesnt work but has many liberal friends
And while you are the one American who jet setted to last years World Cup in Russia to show off your American exceptionalism……. get some psych help for your multiple personality disorder and internet delusions
You are not a radiologist
You are a pot stirring angry little nobody trying to get your jollies on an anonymous message board
Thats creepy weird sheet
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I’m sorry your life is not exceptional.
I guess that explains all the anger.
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Haha
Let’s be honest Frumi, fake facebook posts had zero influence
on the election. You’ve been in the denial phase of grieving
for a long time.
As for me being a total tool….you are getting cranky.
It must be time for your nap grandpa.And your diaper change time. You’re wet and full of ignorant smelly stuff.
You cannot prove that Facebook had zero influence on the election’s results anymore than anyone can prove it made all the difference. Make our case it you believe it’s possible. All I can tell you about is all the Trump supporter rubes who believed and still believe the Russian posts and propaganda designed by the KGB and it’s modern day name.
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He is a creepy dude
Just seething with anger and rage on nearly every post
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I most certainly am
But you are an individual who makes sheet up on the internet
Now seriously thats weird sheet
Go find some friends…. or a dog
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IR wasn’t duped by Russians, he did it all by himself.
Sorry but I didn’t vote. Was away.
My vote in NY state is irrelevant any way.
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American exceptionalism
Asking Russia to help find Hillarys emails
American exceptionalism
Siding with his North Korean dictator buddy who murdered an Ohio college student making fun of a fellow
AmericanYes American exceptionalism
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Its obviously unknowable whether Russian interference influenced voting patterns and/or turnout enough to change the result.
But they did indeed help to get Trump elected
(I personally think that Comeys final presser re-opening the Clinton investigation had a bigger effect)
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American exceptionalism
Asking Russia to help find Hillarys emails
It’s called a joke.
Those with senses of humor found it funny.-
No it was not a joke
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What did Obama do when informed that the Russians were a threat to electoral process?
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Quote from Frumious
IR wasn’t duped by Russians, he did it all by himself.
Sorry but I didn’t vote. Was away.
My vote in NY state is irrelevant any way.
