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Quote from kpack123
Funny how California has no problem with it but butt-F-ville midwesterners want a wall
Like how many illegals live in the rural Midwest????
2 or 3
Plenty. There wouldn’t be a chicken plucked or a sausage made without them.
Californians also build their houses in wildland fire zones and act surprised if they burn down. What they do or do not have problems with is not particularly relevant.
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Trump says the government will stay shut down until he gets a wall.
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[b]Trump Claims Federal Workers Back Shutdown
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President Trump claimed that many federal workers want the government to stay closed: Many of those workers have said to me, communicated, stay out until you get the funding for the wall. These federal workers want the wall.[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2018/12/26/shutdown-standoff-continues-368638?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]Playbook[/link]: Put aside the obvious question how are regular workers contacting the president? it does not seem as if the president is getting itchy to end this. Remember: A vote is always at least 24 hours away, since members of Congress have to get back in town after a deal is cut. The Senate is not set to come back until tomorrow, and the House has announced no votes before tomorrow. Democrats feel as if their leverage increases with each passing day as they get closer to holding the House majority.
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Many many regularly talk to trump
Just like that guy named Steve who use to go to Paris
What a friggin liar
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What a country, a minority of citizens and right-wingnut media are forcing the closing of the government laying off thousands of people for a political symbol of keeping people out. So places like Nebraska with 3 citizens per square mile who have a Hormel plant populated with undocumented employees determining spending for a new Iron Curtain. “Scuse me, an “artistically designed steel slats” Wall, a “Steel Curtain” to keep out the brown people from the south.
Still sounds like the old Communists to me. Next will be calls for barbed wire and armed guards in towers because some are still crossing.
Or perhaps redefining undocumented people as 3/5 of a person for Census reasons who will work for reduced wages & pay taxes but cannot vote.
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Quote from fw
Plenty. There wouldn’t be a chicken plucked or a sausage made without them.
Californians also build their houses in wildland fire zones and act surprised if they burn down. What they do or do not have problems with is not particularly relevant.
Last thing in defense of California, Paradise, California, “The first post office was established at Paradise in 1877; Paradise incorporated in 1979.”
No huge fires in California for decades. It’s only been the past 10 years that fires have been such huge events, in 2008 the Humbolt fire & this year. Otherwise not much of an issue.
I’m sure the fires have nothing to do with anthropogenic climate change.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
probably something everyone can agree on is the hatred for taxes. California pays a lot of taxes but they also get tax breaks too. Especially around shooting movies. OH gave a $40m tax break for shooting motion pictures.
??? It’s not like Ohio transferred $40 million to California’s bank accounts.
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Quote from Frumious
Quote from DICOM_Dan
probably something everyone can agree on is the hatred for taxes. California pays a lot of taxes but they also get tax breaks too. Especially around shooting movies. OH gave a $40m tax break for shooting motion pictures.
??? It’s not like Ohio transferred $40 million to California’s bank accounts.
It’s money that California based productions get back from OH or anyone that gives them a tax credit to shoot a movie. So there’s give and take.
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Yesterday the Twit-in-Chief twitted that most furloughed government workers supported the shutdown because they support him and building the New Iron Curtain.
Today, however, he is arguing that most furloughed workers are Democrats.
Living in Wonderland. Or Never-Never Land & Tinkerbell. Magic!-
Nancy answers the ramblings of our President Twit.
“He talked about terrorists coming in over that particular border, which wasn’t so. He talked about people bringing in diseases and all the rest of that, which wasn’t so,” said Pelosi, D-Calif. “He’s using scare tactics that are not evidence-based, and it’s wrong.”
“First of all, the fact … that he says, We’re going to build a wall with cement, and Mexico’s going to pay for it while he’s already backed off of the cement now he’s down to, I think, a beaded curtain or something, I’m not sure where he is,” Pelosi said.-
Many many people are figuring out that the orange preek can never tell the truth
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It’s pretty audacious that we’re paying for his New Year’s Eve in Mar-a-Trumpo while the government is shutdown, and maybe even if the government wasn’t shut down .
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Shut it down baby, worthless gubmint workaz can’t hackzit
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A new [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-47-americans-blame-trump-government-shutdown-n952466?cid=public-rss_20181227]Reuters/Ipsos poll[/link] finds 47% of Americans hold President Trump responsible for the government shutdown, while 33% blame Democrats in Congress and 7% blame congressional Republicans.
Just 35% of those surveyed said they backed including money for a border wall in a congressional spending bill.
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/finance/budget/423065-smithsonian-museums-national-zoo-to-close-if-shutdown-continues-in-2019]https://thehill.com/polic…down-continues-in-2019[/link]
Smithsonian and National Zoo will close if shutdown still in effect on Jan 2, 2019-
[link=https://thehill.com/policy/finance/423030-shutdown-to-drag-on-with-no-house-votes-expected-this-week]Shutdown drags on but … is this the first hint of a capitulation by the White House? [/link]
Sarah Huckabee Sanders releases a statement, makes no mention of “wall”
The President has made clear that any bill to fund the government must adequately fund border security to stop the flow of illegal drugs, criminals, MS-13 gang members, child smugglers and human traffickers into our communities and protect the American people.”
“The Administration understands this crisis and made a reasonable, common-sense solution to Democrats five days ago we’ve not received a single response. The President and his team stayed in Washington over Christmas hoping to negotiate a deal that would stop the dangerous crisis on the border, protect American communities, and re-open the government. The Democrats decided to go home. The only rational conclusion is that the Democrat party is openly choosing to keep our government closed to protect illegal immigrants rather than the American people.”
“The President does not want the government to remain shut down, but he will not sign a proposal that does not first prioritize our countys safety and security.”
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Quote from Frumious
Yesterday the Twit-in-Chief twitted that most furloughed government workers supported the shutdown because they support him and building the New Iron Curtain.
Today, however, he is arguing that most furloughed workers are Democrats.
Living in Wonderland. Or Never-Never Land & Tinkerbell. Magic!
[b]Poll: Federal Employees Overwhelmingly Oppose Shutdown, Only 30 Percent Support Wall[/b]About 71 percent of federal workers oppose the shutdownwhich crawled into its 10th day on Mondayaccording to a new survey by Government Business Council and GovExec.com, while 22 percent support it. Nine in 10 of those supporting the shutdown do so because they support Trumps fight for wall funding, though a small handful feel so opposed to the wall that they want agencies to close in order to block the wall from being built.[b] [/b]
About 30 percent of federal workers support a wall, though 35 percent of those individuals say the means of a shutdown do not justify the ends. Overall, 15 percent of federal employees who oppose a shutdown support Trumps proposed wall.
The findings come in stark contrast to President Trumps [link=https://www.govexec.com/management/2018/12/furlough-notices-hit-inboxes-trump-says-feds-support-shutdown/153791/]claim[/link] that federal employees support the shutdown because they support the wall.
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[link=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/note-democrats-power-trumps-hand-grows-weaker/story?id=60121665]Rick Klein[/link]: [b]Trumps Hand Grows Weaker
[/b] The easy part of governing during the Trump presidency is over. Yes, really.
Noon on Thursday opens a new chapter for President Donald Trump and the Washington scene hes come to dominate.l
It comes at something of a low point for Trump, who faces growing concerns inside his party, including those most vocally expressed by Mitt Romney, the incoming junior senator from Utah. The Republican Party as a whole, meanwhile, relinquishes power in the House in the middle of a prolonged government shutdown.
When Rep. Nancy Pelosi takes the speakers gavel once again, united GOP control of Congress evaporates. With it goes perhaps the biggest piece of Republican leverage in obtaining Trumps signature campaign promise of a border wall the reason for the shutdown that Trump says could be a long time.
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A a non-Pelosi fan I think she’s done a good job of letting him paint himself into a corner on the whole budget/wall thing.
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Shut it down. All the way. The Dems can’t count on the mini-Dems (Republicans) caving, necessarily, this time. It should be fun to watch.
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Gardner breaks ranks on border wall
shut downSen. Cory Gardner (R-CO), who faces a potentially tough re-election in 2020, says Congress should re-open the federal government, even without a deal on funding President Trumps border wall, The Hill reports.
Gardner is the first Senate Republican to call for ending the partial shutdown even without a deal on President Trumps demand for $5 billion to fund a border wall.
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[link=https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/423513-democrats-facing-little-blame-from-public-over-partial]https://thehill.com/hillt…om-public-over-partial[/link]
Trump takes more blame for shutdown
In a new The Hill-HarrisX poll released Monday, only 22 percent of registered voters surveyed blamed Democrats for the shutdown, while 42 percent said President Trump was to blame. One-third of voters said that both parties in Congress and the president were all equally responsible.
The government has been shut down since Dec. 22 when President Trump said he would not sign a spending bill that did not provide his requested $5 billion in funding for a border wall. Democrats have offered $1.3 billion for border security.
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Thats a big 20 points thats a winning hand for Dems. That means a good majority of independents are blaming Trump.
Unless the polling changes Pelosi and Schumer have no reason to compromise. Its just costin Trump(and the GOP ) support (and perhaps votes in 2020)
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The shtudown geographic impact in one image
[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-04/u-s-government-shutdown-impact-reaches-far-from-capitol-map?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com…pitol-map?srnd=premium[/link]
If you think the federal government shutdown impacts only the Washington, D.C., area, you may not have to stroll far from your neighborhood to see the size and scope of federal government footprint.
The General Services Administration (GSA) is the largest public real estate organization in the U.S., providing work space to over 1.2 million federal workers, according to its [link=https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/real-estate-services/leasing-overview]website[/link].
Kansas City, home to the Internal Revenue Service, ranks third in the nation in rent received from the GSA. The New York metro area ranks second with Atlanta and Philadelphia rounding out the top 5.
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[url=https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/423909-zinke-national-park-visitors-should-grab-a-trash-bag]Ryan Zinke’s solution to the government shutdown:[/url] [b]National Park visitors should grab a trash bag[/b]
Speaking to the [link=https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/zinke-park-visitors-should-grab-a-trash-bag]Associated Press[/link] days after he resigned amid allegations that he violated ethics rules, Zinke defended his decision to keep parks open during the partial shutdown that started Dec. 22.
Pitch in, grab a trash bag and take some trash out, Zinke said.
Conservation groups have loudly criticized the administration for leaving National Park Service sites open without much of the staff to maintain them, clean them and keep parkgoers safe.
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Republicans advising Americans to be socially conscious and responsible?
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha…
Wasn’t it Little Richard Cheney who pointed out the Republican opinion bout that when he thought it was the funniest thing in the world disparaging it as “personal virtue?”
Hahahaha
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[url=https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/trump-calling-shutdown-strike/index.html]Trump wants to refer to the shutdown as a [b]”strike”[/b][/url]
President Donald Trump told congressional leaders during a meeting Friday to try to negotiate terms to re-open the government and that he preferred the word “strike” in describing the ongoing government shutdown,[/QUOTE]
[link=https://thebudgetguy.blog/2019/01/05/no-mr-president-the-shutdown-isnt-a-strike-its-a-lockout-by-management/]Stan Collender[/link]: [b]A Lockout, Not a Strike
[/b] President Trump yesterday started calling the now two-week old government shutdown a strike as if it were federal employee-instigated event.
Hes completely wrong. It s not being caused by employees; its completely the result of a Trumps management decision. That makes this a lockout.’
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I kind of agree with Zinke and I never thought I’d say that. Not that the parks should be shut down but you should leave the park at least as nice as when you arrived. That means don’t litter or leave trash and maybe take something with you. They’re also obviously closed so don’t bring stuff you want to trash.
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[b]Shutdown could mean millions go without IRS refunds[/b]
[link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-delay-irs-tax-filing-and-refund-brings-chaos-just-before-tax-filing-season/]https://www.cbsnews.com/n…ore-tax-filing-season/[/link]
Last year, the IRS received around 50 Million tax returns. The IRS ended up paying out about 125 Billion dollars in refunds. An average of around 3103 dollars PER refund. To 40,000,000 American Citizens. Or about 80% of those who filed.So one, that’s a 125 Billion dollar hole in the economy, because most folks don’t take their refund and stuff it in a mattress. They pay off bills with it, they buy big ticket appliances with it, they go on vacations with it. In point of fact about 1/3rd of that money goes into buying things. It has a net positive effect on the entire US economy, to the tune of 40 Billion dollars. The other 2/3rds are used to pay down debt, or invest, and both of these are positive both for the individuals, and for the economy en toto. Many of people think of it as their yearly nest egg bonus, and they know, they KNOW, that it is rightfully theirs.
[u]40,000,000 American VOTERS[/u] are about to personally get their property, their money delayed/stolen by Donald J. Trump and the Republican Party. Say, do you suppose a few million of them might remember that “these are the …….s that tried to screw me out of my return!” when they go to the polls? Given that it will be on every piece of campaign literature the Democrats have?
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
I kind of agree with Zinke and I never thought I’d say that. Not that the parks should be shut down but you should leave the park at least as nice as when you arrived. That means don’t litter or leave trash and maybe take something with you. They’re also obviously closed so don’t bring stuff you want to trash.
I totally agree however I have to add that Americans seem to take it as their personal expression of freedom to litter and sh1t in their beds. You can read many complaints about how locals know better how to take care of their lands but have you ever looked around at those lands the locals take care of? There are exceptions but oftentimes there is sh1te everywhere left by locals. I have been a avid backpacker since a teenager, “Pack it in, pack it out” & “Leave no trace” are the mottos but you can walk deep in the woods & find all kinds of crap left behind. And speaking of crap, personal toilet habits of some people make the bears look positively dainty.
Walking with my wife & she’s filling the packs with garbage she finds on the trails.
I grew up earning money bringing glass bottles back for recycling to earn change. Mention recycling now and not using plastic & you are accused of being a GD Un-American Socialist! Some Democrats thought to advise Americans to conserve & they were thrown under the bus and ridiculed by Republicans. Conservation is either “government overreach,” or over-regulation or “too expensive” or a waste of time or anti-business or nice dainty personal habits. You know, those things “Liberals” do.
Americans need to grow up & be responsible. Litter would be a good start. When is the question.
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I don’t know if a wall is the answer but something needs to be done. 33-year officer Ronil Singh (legal immigrant from Fiji) killed by illegal POS on Christmas night. Leaves behind a wife and 5 month old son. F*ckin tragic. Don’t think Brown, Newsome, Becerra have said much about this tragedy.
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What are you trying to point out & how broad a brush are you trying to paint? I mean how would it relate to Jazmine Barnes for example?
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What are you trying to point out?
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Quote from Frumious
What are you trying to point out?
My point is that this illegal POS had a criminal record and could have potentially been picked by ICE had it not be for the freakin idiot sanctuary status that CA has which clearly places more value in protecting illegals than the safety in legal citizens (even those citizens that risk their lives protecting others). 2nd point is that those responsible for this idiotic policy had little to say about this tragedy. Maybe this tragedy does not invoke any empathetic or emotional response in you but there has been a lot of coverage of this in my area. Watching the funeral was pretty heartbreaking.-
Fox News deciding what gun violence crime to be outraged over
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Quote from kpack123
Fox News deciding what gun violence crime to be outraged over
Love it. Anyone who has an opposing view than yours is a right wing nut-job. Sorta sums up the country’s current divisive political state, us versus them, view points are black or white, no middle ground etc.
I happen to hear a lot about this particular case on the local news since I live in the general area, not from Fox news. One can hold the belief that we need stronger gun control and that we need immigration reform/stronger borders. I personally don’t see a need for the average citizen to own an assault rifle or a hand-gun but that’s a whole different debate.-
I think more outrage should be over gun violence….. period
2 miles from my house
Last a week a white guy murdered his wife her mother father and brother
Did you hear anything about that?
Its called selective outrage and its bullsheet
So please dont give me your fake outrage
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Why wasnt the murder of an entire family on Fox and friends?????
You tell me
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Quote from kpack123
I think more outrage should be over gun violence….. period
2 miles from my house
Last a week a white guy murdered his wife her mother father and brother
Did you hear anything about that?
Its called selective outrage and its bullsheet
So please dont give me your fake outrage
What does a “white” guy killing his family have to do with an illegal with a criminal record gunning down a “brown” police officer in a sanctuary state? Is FL a sanctuary state for unhinged white guys that own firearms? I told you what my views are with respect to gun control laws (which wouldn’t have made a difference in this particular case since the killer illegally had a firearm). I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp but some of us can simultaneously hold views that are either right/left leaning.
And what exactly is fake outrage? From what I gather it’s when someone gets upset over something that you personally don’t agree with (which then leads you to reflexively lash out against Fox news/Trump etc). Seems like a very open-minded concept.
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Coverage of the officer’s murder is one thing but are your local media also blaming sanctuary for his ability to murder? Is your media also blaming immigrants in general as dangerous rapists and murderers?
I doubt that. Unless your local media is Fox and other anti-immigrant media.
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Selective outrage
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My point is that this illegal POS had a criminal record and could have potentially been picked by ICE had it not be for the freakin idiot sanctuary status that CA has which clearly places more value in protecting illegals than the safety in legal citizens (even those citizens that risk their lives protecting others). 2nd point is that those responsible for this idiotic policy had little to say about this tragedy. Maybe this tragedy does not invoke any empathetic or emotional response in you but there has been a lot of coverage of this in my area. Watching the funeral was pretty heartbreaking.
I am not aware that any of that happened regarding some sanctuary status deliberately protecting him long enough for him to murder someone. Nor do I know of any “sanctuary” there for the primary purpose of protecting murderers so that they may murder “legal citizens.” This sound like a deliberate spin against a specific group of people & those people are not “murderers” but Hispanics. This has the taste of the Right’s targeting and painting Hispanic immigrants as all rapists and murderers, as President Trump commonly refers to them.
So you have a single person. And how many “illegals” are there who aren’t murderers and rapists? Should all the millions of them be painted as murderers and rapists because of the action of a single individual?
No.
As for a “lot of coverage,” that sounds like selective coverage by selective media.
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[b]Trump Offers Steel Fence Instead of Concrete Wall
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Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney told [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/mulvaney-says-wh-offer-to-democrats-steel-not-concrete-1420614211825]NBC News[/link] that President Trump is willing to take a concrete wall off the table in negotiations with Democratic leaders over the shutdown.Said Mulvaney: If he has to give up a concrete wall, replace it with a steel fence in order to do that so that Democrats can say, See? Hes not building a wall anymore, that should help us move in the right direction.
He added: If thats not evidence of the presidents desire to try and resolve this, I dont know what is.
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Big beautiful fence. LOL
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All the little Minions try to interpret what Trump wants and will accept & Trump ALWAYS undermines them with a, “NO!”
Same thing will happen. Trump’s strings are pulled by Putin and Fox, his Minions have nothing to do with it. They are there only for comic effect.
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Democrats in the Senate trying to force McConnell’s hand. A movement now afoot that Democrats will not vote on [b]anything[/b] until bills are put to the floor to re-open government.
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-07/trump-s-shutdown-proves-he-was-never-a-great-dealmaker?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com…dealmaker?srnd=premium[/link]
[h1]Trump Was Never a Great Dealmaker. The Shutdown Proves It[/h1]
Trump, in reality, was never a peerless or even a particularly skillful dealmaker, and many of the most significant business transactions he engineered [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-16/peeking-inside-trump-s-smoke-and-mirrors-tour]imploded[/link]. Instead, he made his way in the world as an indefatigable self-promoter, a marketing confection and a human billboard who frequently licensed his name to buildings and products paid for by others.
In Trumps professional life, his [link=http://fortune.com/donald-trump-businessman]inept dealmaking[/link] often came home to roost in [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-11/president-trump-will-be-the-king-of-debt]unmanageable debts[/link] and [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-01-22/trump-runs-the-government-like-his-business-that-s-the-problem]serial bankruptcies[/link]. In his more recent political and presidential life it has [link=https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/04/thiessen-the-10-worst-things-trump-did-in-2018/]revealed itself[/link] through [link=https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-08-23/worst-deals-ever]bungled, hapless efforts[/link] to overturn the Affordable Care Act; forge a nuclear agreement with North Korea; wage trade wars with China, Mexico and Canada; retain control of the House of Representatives; turn military and diplomatic strategy on its head; lay siege to sensible immigration policy; and, now, [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-06/trump-eyes-radical-move-to-escape-impasse-over-wall-and-shutdown?srnd=premium]force a government shutdown[/link] to secure funding for a prized project a wall along the U.S.s southern border.
Striking lasting deals requires intimacy with the finer points of what every party wants out of a negotiation, realistic goals, maturity, patience, flexibility and enough leverage so the other side cant simply stall or walk away from the table. Trump hasnt met any of those prerequisites in his repeated efforts to fulfill his campaign promise to build a wall, a promise that played to the most xenophobic and bigoted portion of his base while [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-04/trump-and-democrats-should-strike-deal-on-dreamers-tps-the-wall]not addressing[/link] any of the [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/immigration-path-to-citizenship]real shortcomings[/link] or [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2014-11-20/the-case-for-immigration-amnesty]necessary enhancements[/link] of [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-06-26/immigration-policy-is-hard-even-if-you-re-not-trump]federal[/link] [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-08-08/how-dumb-is-immigration-debate-this-dumb-]immigration policy[/link].
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The most visible reminder of the raw amateurism that has undermined Trumps dealmaking came in December during a memorable White House visit with a pair of Democrats, Representative Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer. As the trio gradually became unsettled over policy differences that could lead to a government shutdown, Trump, ready to perform for the media he had invited to observe the chat, sallied forth in a burst of bravado.
Building a wall, on the other hand, has been Trumps personal piece of performance art and he has invoked fantasies to promote it (like, for example, compelling Mexico to foot the bill). He has also become so emotionally attached to the effort that hes put himself at a strategic disadvantage. The president is now so consumed with appearing to win, that he may not win at all.
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Anyone remember the movie caddy shack
Ted Nights line at the end of this clip
[link]https://youtu.be/FuNJq_wI1ns[/link]
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jd,
You claim that California’s “sanctuary” was the reason for Officer Singh’s murder.
Can you elaborate how Gustavo Arriaga was deliberately given sanctuary in order to evade ICE.
I know blaming sanctuary and Governor Brown, etc is all over Fox and Breitbart but what facts are there to back up your support of that claim? What facts are there for that claim, period?-
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Yes. I noticed. Camera focus issue in the WH I presume
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jd,
You claim that California’s “sanctuary” was the reason for Officer Singh’s murder.
Can you elaborate how Gustavo Arriaga was deliberately given sanctuary in order to evade ICE.
I know blaming sanctuary and Governor Brown, etc is all over Fox and Breitbart but what facts are there to back up your support of that claim? What facts are there for that claim, period?
Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson strongly suggested Friday that Californias sanctuary laws are to blame in the slaying of a Newman police corporal who was shot two days earlier during a traffic stop.
This is a criminal illegal alien with prior criminal activity that should have been reported to ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement), the sheriff said. We were prohibited, law enforcement was prohibited because of sanctuary laws and that led to the encounter with (Cpl.) Singh.
Im suggesting that the outcome could have been different if law enforcement wasnt restricted, prohibited or had their hands tied because of political interference.Read more here: [link=https://www.modbee.com/news/local/crime/article223689135.html#storylink=cpy]https://www.modbee.com/ne…135.html#storylink=cpy[/link]
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That says nothing of value. He never fills in on what basis he makes his claim. The Sheriff could just as well claimed it was the phase of the moon or the zodiac for all his claim proved or even demonstrated. Or just effin magic was at fault.
You are still singling out a group as criminal based on the criminal act of a single person. That sort of stuff has a very long history, none of it leading to any good.
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Quote from Frumious
That says nothing of value. He never fills in on what basis he makes his claim. The Sheriff could just as well claimed it was the phase of the moon or the zodiac for all his claim proved or even demonstrated. Or just effin magic was at fault.
You are still singling out a group as criminal based on the criminal act of a single person. That sort of stuff has a very long history, none of it leading to any good.
This is a criminal illegal alien with prior criminal activity that should have been reported to ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement), the sheriff said. We were prohibited, law enforcement was prohibited because of sanctuary laws and that led to the encounter with (Cpl.) Singh.
Im suggesting that the outcome could have been different if law enforcement wasnt restricted, prohibited or had their hands tied because of political
interference.
How is this nothing of value? That individual is closer to the reality of the situation than any of us possibly could be, wouldn’t you agree? Seems like you’re dismissing him simply because you don’t agree with his perspective. If the killer had been reported to ICE, he would have been off the street given his history of prior DUIs, and this encounter/murder would not have happened. This seems pretty straightforward to me so what am I missing here?
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All you are doing is repeating over and over the unsubstantiated allegations by the Sheriff. That proves nothing. Repeating a wrong fact doesnt make it true. The man has an agenda, rather understandable since a good officer was murdered by a scumbag. A waste. But his accusation was that Governor Brown & those who support sanctuary laws were completely at fault. How so? When had sanctuary become an issue? In 2018? When was Arriaga given sanctuary? Do you know? That is a relevant fact to the accusation. What I read was that he was last arrested for DUI & it was not in 2018 or 2017 but in 2014, long before sanctuary was an idea, much less a political issue.
The accusation is an alternate fact. Arriaga is a scumbag & deserves punishment for murder if he is found guilty of murder but his last arrest was long before sanctuary was a political volleyball. As such, the Sheriffs accusation is a lie made for political reasons, none factual.
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he’s not incorrect. An Illegal shot a woman in her house in Concord, OH which is near me. This is after the guy was shooting at a woman on the green way walking her kid. He also tried to rape his niece earlier in the day. Guy was busted multiple times. He’s now serving life in prison. I would’ve just as soon seen him dropped out of an airplane into Mexico without a parachute.
Now I’m still not thinking a wall prevents people from coming over. They put up steal slats and people are just going to get torches or saw and cut through them.
It also looks like Trump is going to drag on the shutdown because Nancy won’t say yes to the wall. Eventually something/someone has got to give. Over ride him by passing something unanimously.
[link=https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/lake_county_undocumented_immig_1.html]https://www.cleveland.com…ocumented_immig_1.html[/link]
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All of these reports about “illegal” criminals are too focused on the keywords, “illegal alien criminals” and always seem to turn up as Hispanics. So are the reports proof that “illegal” Hispanic immigrants are, as Trump & the anti-immigrant people say, all criminals? Or are you being fed a single line that leaves the impression that “they” were all dangerous criminals? Or, as Trump has said a few times, “there are a few “good” ones but…” that the vast majority are dangerous criminals? It is too reminiscent of past views about groups of new immigrants. The Irish, all Catholic criminals. The Italians – see “The Sopranos” and their vast criminal conspiracy. Does anyone know any law-abiding Italians or are they all wise-guy goombas? Black people? Russians & the Russian mob?
Jews?
Somehow I’ll bet the vast majority of dangerous criminals are “white” men who are citizens. But you wouldn’t know that from some selective reporting.
So color me highly skeptical about all these dangerous Mexicans. I did see “The Treasure of Sierra Madre” and frankly believe those Mexicans (“Badges? We don’t need no stinking’ badges!”) are bad stereotype tropes.
[link]https://youtu.be/4OcM23Hbs5U[/link]-
We in Canada have already constructed our wall.
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But by you it’s the Night King who lives on the other side.
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Too true Frumi, but with the yo-yo temperatures we’ve been getting lately, there wouldn’t be a horse or foot soldier standing. I just bought another bag of traction sand lol.
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Just imagine how bad things could be if global warming were actually true!
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So all you Trump supporters, what exactly is the end game? What is a compromise other than Democrats just caving and giving Trump whatever he wants. What he wants seems solely to not to be called a wussy by Ann Coulter and Fox & Rush. There have been multiple agreements that Trump has rejected already, the most recent one being one that he accepted until Ann called him a wussy which then got rejected by him.
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So all you Trump supporters, what exactly is the end game? What is a compromise other than Democrats just caving and giving Trump whatever he wants. What he wants seems solely to not to be called a wussy by Ann Coulter and Fox & Rush. There have been multiple agreements that Trump has rejected already, the most recent one being one that he accepted until Ann called him a wussy which then got rejected by him.
So explain to the rest of us folk, what is the acceptable end game he is playing? What compromise is acceptable to his supporters?
A new [link=https://www.auntminnie.com/Forum/"https:/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-blame-trump-and-gop-much-more-than-democrats-for-shutdown-post-abc-poll-finds/2019/01/12/9c89aff2-16a9-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.a754c4e91b22"]Washington Post-ABC News poll[/link] finds that by a wide margin, more Americans blame President Trump and Republicans in Congress than congressional Democrats for the now record-breaking government shutdown, and most reject the presidents assertion that there is an illegal-immigration crisis on the southern border.Key findings: [b]53% say Trump and the Republicans are mainly at fault, and 29% blame the Democrats in Congress. Thirteen percent say both sides bear equal responsibility for the shutdown.[/b] That is identical to the end of the 16-day shutdown in 2013, when 29% blamed then-President Barack Obama and 53% put the responsibility on congressional Republicans.
Support for building a wall on the border, which is the principal sticking point in the stalemate between the president and Democrats, has increased over the past year. Today, 42% say they support a wall, up from 34% last January. A slight majority of Americans (54%) oppose the idea, down from 63 percent a year ago.
The increase in support is sharpest among Republicans Not only has GOP support increased, it has also hardened. Today, 70% of Republicans say they strongly support the wall, an increase of 12 points since January 2018.
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(The Wall and the shutdown is now a proxy for Trump … support is pretty much equal to his approve/disapprove. That means that the more it’s in focus the more the political results look like the 2018 midterms….. driving support from the base, but getting wiped out by Dems and suburban soft-Republicans/ independents. …. I’ll take it. And GOP moderates running in states that might go Blue .purple should be [b]very, very[/b] nervous. No incentive for Dems to cave…. or to even offer counter-proposals…. as long as the numbers stay like this. Clean CR … take it or leave it. )
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Interesting stuff…wonder how many support the wall but oppose the government but-down as a means to achieve this
I understand the Republic rationale for wanting the wall/fence/barrier:
1. Belief that this is the most efficient way of ensuring border security and curbing flow of illegal immigration, drug/human trafficking etc). I am assuming they also want to increase other security measures (increase personal, improve technological measures etc)
2. Fulfill campaign promise.
What exactly is the democrats rationale for opposing?
1. No need to improve border security and/or a wall would not be an efficient way of achieving border security.
2. A wall is a symbol of hate/xenophobia (heard some quote from Schumer about wanting the statue of Liberty to continue to be a symbol of America not a wall).
3. Cannot give Trump a victory.
Objectively speaking, do most (Americans/politicians) agree that there is a need to be improve border security? If so why should it be so difficult to determine what the most efficient way of achieving this is? Aren’t there non-partisan experts on the topic?-
What exactly is the democrats rationale for opposing?
1. No need to improve border security and/or a wall would not be an efficient way of achieving border security.
2. A wall is a symbol of hate/xenophobia (heard some quote from Schumer about wanting the statue of Liberty to continue to be a symbol of America not a wall).
3. Cannot give Trump a victory.
1) No / Yes
2) Yes.
3) Mostly yes. (Giving Trump the win without giving Dems an equivalent “win’ such as DACA, pathway to citizenship etc in the setting of a Trump-induced shutdown will only encourage more of this behavior and be more damaging to the nation in the long run. If it happens without an equal Dem “win” it also increases Trump’s chances for re-election.)
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Objectively speaking, do most (Americans/politicians) agree that there is a need to be improve border security? If so why should it be so difficult to determine what the most efficient way of achieving this is? Aren’t there non-partisan experts on the topic?
One potential solution would be to create a non-partisan border security commission to determine the best means of securing the border and preventing illegal immigration, drug trafficking and terrorists entering the country and allow a vote on a package that funds based on those recommendations.
The government could be re-opened while the commission does its work.
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One point about a wall that no one wants to talk about
As soon as it gets built the opposition will be planning on tearing it down
In a country with changing demographics its only a matter of time before it gets torn down
Big fng waste of taxpayers money
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One potential solution would be to create a non-partisan border security commission to determine the best means of securing the border and preventing illegal immigration, drug trafficking and terrorists entering the country and allow a vote on a package that funds based on those recommendations.
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Sounds perfectly reasonable.
And has around a 0% chance of happening.
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Trump closed down the government even before Democrats were sworn in, when Republicans held all the cards to give Trump his Mexican Wall and did not.
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The Dems tee’d up the same GOP Senate budget and now they won’t vote. Recall McConnell
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Trump has no interest in negotiating a conclusion to stopping the government shutdown.
[b]According to the official, Trump cut Mulvaney off toward the end of an unproductive meeting on re-opening the federal government, as Mulvaney was attempting to negotiate up from the $1.3 billion Democrats offered the White House.[/b]
[b]”Stop, stop, just stop — What are you doing? You’re f—ing it all up, Mick,” Trump said, according to the official who was in the room for the negotiations.[/b]
The interaction [link=https://apple.news/A7X5QgGwiQoubdwhZ32mSGw]was first reported by Axios.[/link]
According to the source, there was “shockingly no reaction at all” in the room.
“It was so awkward, I was looking down, like I couldn’t watch,” said the source.
So again I ask, what is the end game?
There is none. This is all Trump posturing, to hell with the locked out Federal employees.
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