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Control of Senate 2022
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[h1][b]A Pinky on the Scale for Raphael Warnock[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/senate/georgia-senate/independents-mind-georgia-runoff-nears-close?utm_source=politicalwire]Cook Political Report[/link]: Limited polling during the runoff has continued to show a margin of error contest, but has Warnock still leading considerably among independents. The race is close enough that we are still keeping it in our Toss Up column, and we dont think a possible Warnock victory is probable enough to shift it to Lean Democrat.
But we might put a pinky on the scale for the Democratic incumbent, whose victory would cap off an astounding turn for Senate Democrats despite economic headwinds and history going against them. It would once again underscore that Republicans clearly have a candidate quality problem and likely will until the party turns away from Trump.
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maybe the economy if flipping back around and in favor of dems. Gas prices down, markets going back up, jobs reports are good. Prices on food still high.
I kind of wonder what they poll amongst black voters. This might sound bad but Hersh is basically a puppet for the white men that control congress. He’s got no ideas and is just going to what he’s told.-
The fake black support for Walker was big in the partisan polls heading into November.
Trafalgar was polling 20% AA support for Walker… it didn’t materialize. Black vote is just as strong D with Walker as it was against white GOP candidates in 2020
And yes, “puppet of Trump” is a thing … it’s what the Republican Lt. Gov of GA said when explaining why he didn’t vote for Walker.
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I saw someone had posted pictures of his Fox appearances. It’s Rafael Cruz, and Lindsay Graham doing all the talking for him.
One other interesting bit I’ve seen is that there was reporting that Walker was taking a tax break that would involve him claiming Texas as his primary home. If that’s true is he even able to run in Georgia, and if not it would seem to imply he’s a tax fraud.
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And another smile post. What a great day!
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on the optimistic side …
Maybe we’re finding our way out of the woods. Walker gave a very normal, gracious concession speech. No conspiracies, no grievances.
Warnock was gracious in victory, emphasizing how much he’ll work for all Georgians, whether they voted for him or not.Last night was a good night for American democracy.
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Thats where my optimism comes from.
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The question is precisely with that lack of quality in mind, why would these voters vote for him? All who voted for him had that question answered for themselves.
Because Walker was anything but the single lousy Republican candidate this election. The field was full of them & those who lost, lost by a hairs breadth, not by that deserved country mile. And not all the lousy candidates lost.-
Yep, it was close because of partisanship. Worth pondering what that means if one is a strategist and not a hobby poster.
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So answer your own question as the hobby poster. What?
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on the optimistic side …
Maybe we’re finding our way out of the woods. Walker gave a very normal, gracious concession speech. No conspiracies, no grievances.
Between him and Oz acting like normal human beings and conceding when they lost, there is some hope.-
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on the optimistic side …
Maybe we’re finding our way out of the woods. Walker gave a very normal, gracious concession speech. No conspiracies, no grievances.
Between him and Oz acting like normal human beings and conceding when they lost, there is some hope.
Or .. cynically .. Oz and Walker are both celebrities and know they will exist *outside* of politics for the remainder of their careers. They see the cash value in not completely destroying their reputation because the pay for their TV show contracts, memorabilia, speaking engagements, product endorsements, etc all depend on it.
Those politicians who see themselves primarily, perhaps out of necessity with no other options, as part of the GOP loon-o-sphere remain all in on the Qanon “big lie” nuttiness grift.-
Neither was invested in the lie, they are merely opportunists. When the opportunity faded neither found or finds the rewards there anymore. No point in being Kari Lake clones, what’s the point. Opportunists move on to more opportunities.
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Frumi. Your remain delusional. They are not my Republicans and I was the one who coined the term hobby poster for you and dergon. Now get back to the question. Did you ever go to nolabels.org? Dergon seems pleased report the negative toxic culture there. They must be striking a nerve from middle. Just
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Both sides? All 3 sides?
Centrists might not be as moderate as self-advertised?
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/07/no-labels-unity-presidential-ticket-centrist-group-2024-00072712]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/07/no-labels-unity-presidential-ticket-centrist-group-2024-00072712[/link]
But behind the scenes there is turmoil inside the organization. Interviews with 14 former employeesincluding five who left in the last few monthsand four other people familiar with No Labels reveals a cutthroat culture, one where staffers are routinely fired or pushed out, have little trust in management, and believe the workplace environment can be difficult for minority and female colleagues.
The internal discord threatens to hamper the well-financed plans that the group has for the next election. Former aides say that staff turnover and bad relations with management make executing on projects more difficult. One former employee said she suffered a panic attack under the intense pressure from her superiors. These staffers add that the image No Labels projects of an institution striving to reform the countrys rigidly partisan political system hides what one former aide said is a toxic culture.
Many of the people were granted anonymity for fear of reprisal, though some aired their complaints to POLITICO on the record.
The group has had its share of critics over the years. Political operatives, particularly on the Democratic side of the aisle, have warned that its projects, including the launch of a unity-ticket project, are a waste of funds. They [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-no-labels-went-from-preaching-unity-to-practicing-the-dark-arts]accuse it of valuing the veneer of bipartisanship more than important legislation[/link] and of adopting quixotic causes and candidates.
In 2015, [link=https://news.yahoo.com/trump-officially-labeled-as-a-problem-solver-by-185225219.html]No Labels featured Donald Trump[/link] at its problem solver event in New Hampshire. This past spring, the group posted a tweet [link=https://twitter.com/NoLabelsOrg/status/1526999603446439944]calling the Jan. 6 committee[/link] a partisan exercise, after which it endured a wave of public backlash, put out a clarifying statement, and then went dormant on Twitter for five months.
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I already responded to that article. See the post dergon made last week. Boy you are behind d the times. Typical for you.
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Im getting pretty good at this. The hobby posters come on argue my point for me.
My answer all along has been move to the middle on policy. It will help both parties fight for the important things to build on our democracy.
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Did anyone here ever check this out?
Nolabels.org
Thats my answer.
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The hobby poster posts nothing again.
What policies do Republicans have at all?
What policies should Democrats have that will attract your Republicans?
What policies should Democrats throw overboard to attract these Republicans of yours?
Please answer the question for a change. Considering your Republicans are still voting for quality candidates like Walker begs the question, what do these quality candidates like Walker offer over Democrats like Warnock? What should Warnock have said to get your Republicans vote for him? Your whole arguments are 2 parts, never make a clear position & always declare if only Democrats adopted more Republican policies they would attract your Republicans. Really? Which ones?
Simple questions for a hobby poster like you, yes?
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Of course when I looked at the thread that discussed this already, Frumi had commented and not noticed this story had been posted. Its not worth discussing with the hobby posters that think the only way is to participate is to pick a side and support it no matter what.
Well Im still optimistic that centrists will moderate the process despite the extremists on both sides. Of course one side is a mountain and the other is a molehill but its still worth leaning in.
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[link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-pushes-for-primary-challenges-against-mcconnell]https://www.washingtonexa…nges-against-mcconnell[/link]
[b]Trump pushes for primary challenges against McConnell and others who ‘vote with him'[/b][/h1]
In a Truth Social post on Monday, Trump criticized McConnell [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate/trump-urges-republicans-vote-against-spending-bill]for his vote to pass the government omnibus spending bill[/link] late last year, repeating previous accusations that the Senate minority leader allowed Democrats to push through several of their agenda items along with the annual budget. Trump also [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/elaine-chao-asks-media-not-repeat-racist-nickname-from-trump]repeated racist comments[/link] he has previously made toward McConnells wife, former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao.
Its as though [McConnell] just doesnt care anymore, he pushes through anything the Democrats want. The $1.7 TRILLION quickly approved Bill of the week before was HORRIBLE. Zero for USA Border Security, [link=https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump]Trump wrote[/link]. If he waited just ten days, the now ‘United Republican Congress’ could have made it MUCH BETTER, or KILLED IT. Something is wrong with McConnell, and those Republican Senators that Vote with him. PRIMARY THEM ALL!!!
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didn’t Mitch just whoop a seemingly good candidate like a year ago. What is Trump, Mitch et al. going to be like in 2027? Hopefully not still trying to win offices.
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[h1][b]Jim Justice Mulls Senate Bid in West Virginia[/b][/h1]
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice (R) said that he is [link=https://twitter.com/JimJusticeWV/status/1613685617262575616?s=20&t=SdCffMdwoOCiO2To2rmd3g&mkt_tok=NTU2LVlFRS05NjkAAAGJSwsPu3apno_Ny5GA242npUZm30WFaXdez4YoV613q2bfT0HqmWviZGUPFHSspfmVLy9wYD-k1O6r1AIwWZanaFyEBybZ6oPnBZalPjxdz9b2]seriously considering[/link] running for Senate in 2024.
I'm seriously considering running for U.S. Senate. I want continued goodness for our state. I'll continue helping West Virginia no matter if I'm at home or in Washington, DC. #WVSen pic.twitter.com/oQs9EdxGwX
— Jim Justice (@JimJusticeWV) January 12, 2023
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[h3][link=https://news.yahoo.com/no-country-moderate-senators-094630496.html]This Is No Country for Moderate Senators[/link][/h3]
Theres nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos. That old political proverb resonates now more than ever, as modern politics seems hellbent on drumming independent thinkers, mavericks, and centrists out of the game and rewarding partisan loyalists.
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In the Senate, centrists are more likely to be tolerated around election time. But theres a catch: When the party needs you, you better be there. Thinking for yourself ends when the rubber meets the road. That is the lesson that Sinema and Manchin are learning.
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Of course, Sinema and Manchin are merely the most famous moderates to get caught up in the modern political meat-grinder that chews up centrists and spits them out.
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Manchin is arguably even more vulnerable than Sinema in 24, and his support wont matter much in Arizona.
There is still a chance that both Manchin and Sinema could survive, which would be the ultimate maverick middle finger. But make no mistake: The goal of both political parties is to ensure the opposing candidate becomes roadkill.
The vultures are already circling.[/QUOTE]
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Why we have centrists with so much power and why its unlikely one party will gain a filibuster proof majority.
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When the Free Beacon is already sounding the alarm for 2024 Senate …
[link=https://freebeacon.com/politics/make-or-break-for-the-senate-gop/]https://freebeacon.com/po…ak-for-the-senate-gop/[/link]
[b]2024 Is Make or Break for the Senate GOP [/b]
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[b]The map favors Republicans. Will it be enough?[/b]
Seizing this opportunity wont be easy. As always, candidate quality will be essential. A good candidate is likable, telegenic, fluent in the issues, quick on his feet, and appropriate to the culture of his state. Since the 2010 campaign, however, Republican Senate chances have run aground on the shoals of bad candidacies. The party has a knack for nominating individuals who strike voters as extreme or odd or blatantly unqualified.
To avoid a replay of 2010, 2012, and 2022, Republicans will not only have to put up a presidential nominee who can win the battlegrounds of Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin. They will also have to choose Senate candidates whose personal traits and policy preferences dont send independents screaming for the hills.
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You can be sure, too, that Democrats will run ads for pro-Trump candidates in Republican primaries who they see as unelectable in a general election. They pursued the same strategy of [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_control]reflexive control[/link] in 2022, and the strategy worked.
If Republicans are serious about winning the Senate, and potentially gaining unified control of the federal government, they need to select candidates for office who appeal not only to the grassroots but also to independent voters, and who understand that Americans want common-sense answers for pressing economic and social problems, not conspiracy theories, harsh rhetoric, and spite. If Republicans are serious about winning the Senate, they need to get serious about who represents their party. Theyve blown it before. Will they blow it again?-
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When the Free Beacon is already sounding the alarm for 2024 Senate …
[link=https://freebeacon.com/politics/make-or-break-for-the-senate-gop/]https://freebeacon.com/po…ak-for-the-senate-gop/[/link]
2024 Is Make or Break for the Senate GOP
Column: The map favors Republicans. Will it be enough?Seizing this opportunity wont be easy. As always, candidate quality will be essential. A good candidate is likable, telegenic, fluent in the issues, quick on his feet, and appropriate to the culture of his state. Since the 2010 campaign, however, Republican Senate chances have run aground on the shoals of bad candidacies. The party has a knack for nominating individuals who strike voters as extreme or odd or blatantly unqualified.
To avoid a replay of 2010, 2012, and 2022, Republicans will not only have to put up a presidential nominee who can win the battlegrounds of Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin. [b]They will also have to choose Senate candidates whose personal traits and policy preferences dont send independents screaming for the hills.[/b]
…You can be sure, too, that Democrats will run ads for pro-Trump candidates in Republican primaries who they see as unelectable in a general election. They pursued the same strategy of [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_control]reflexive control[/link] in 2022, and the strategy worked.
If Republicans are serious about winning the Senate, and potentially gaining unified control of the federal government, [b]they need to select candidates for office who appeal not only to the grassroots but also to independent voters,[/b] and who understand that Americans want common-sense answers for pressing economic and social problems, not conspiracy theories, harsh rhetoric, and spite. If Republicans are serious about winning the Senate, they need to get serious about who represents their party. Theyve blown it before. Will they blow it again?
True for both “sides”
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[b]GOP Leaders Plan to Wade Into Senate Races[/b][/h1]
[link=https://apnews.com/article/politics-florida-state-government-pennsylvania-indiana-db829dcce00e577f23cc2235b7f013b1]Associated Press[/link]:
Republican Senate primaries in several pivotal states last year exuded a carnival-like aura, dominated by far-right candidates whose ill-advised remarks and damaging personal baggage ultimately cost the party its chance of retaking a majority. But even as alarms sounded over a growing crisis of electability, party leaders mostly stood by, including Florida Sen. Rick Scott, the Senate GOPs campaign chief, who insisted on remaining neutral in the nominating contests.
Now, at the dawn of the 2024 campaign season, Republicans say they are taking steps to avoid a repeat. The National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Scott formerly led, intends to wade into party primaries in key states, providing resources to its preferred candidates in a bid to produce nominees who are more palatable to general election voters.
It may be easier said than done. Similar efforts have backfired in recent years, with the partys restive base rejecting the attempts. The new push will test anew whether the GOP establishment can steer a party reshaped by Donald Trumps insurgent presidency back to mainstream appeal. -
[h1][b]Senate GOP Close to Landing Top Recruit in Montana[/b][/h1]
Senate Republicans are close to recruiting Tim Sheehy, a decorated military veteran and successful businessman with the resources to self-finance a campaign, to run against Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) in 2024, [link=https://www.axios.com/2023/03/10/senate-montana-republicans-tim-sheehy]Axios[/link] reports
Sheehy, whom Republicans view as straight out of central casting, is being encouraged to run by National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair Steve Daines (R-MT).
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Hoping its centrist casting.
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Hoping its centrist casting.
I spent a few minutes trying to figure the guy’s politics … and it doesn’t look like he has much before now.
The other GOP candidates are Rosendale and Zinke, both Trumpers and with some baggage.
Sheehy is Naval Academy grad (so is his wife), founder of a successful aersopace company, aviator. No prior political runs best Ican see. — Looks like he got picked out of a line-up by the corporate/Reagan/never-Trump wing of the party to try to knock off the Trumpers.-
Thanks. I didn’t have to look into myself. Your findings give me hope.
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On Thursday, Dave McCormick, who narrowly lost the 2022 Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary to Mehmet Öz, will speak at the Reagan Library. McCormick is considering a 2024 challenge to Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA).
Well …. I thought that had Rs put up McCormick instead of Oz in PA they would have had a better shot to pick up a seat.
Let’s see if the base shoots itself in the foot again….
[link=https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania-senate-race/doug-mastriano-leads-dave-mccormick-kathy-barnette-in-pennsylvania-senate-race-poll/]https://www.abc27.com/pen…ania-senate-race-poll/[/link][b]
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[h1][b]Doug Mastriano leads Dave McCormick, Kathy Barnette in Pennsylvania Senate race poll[/b][/h1]
The [link=https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/trump-and-mastriano-have-big-leads-in-pennsylvania-republican-primary-for-president-and-senate/]Public Policy Polling survey[/link] found no candidate with a plurality of support with Mastriano receiving 39% support among a survey of 616 likely Republican primary voters.
In a head-to-head matchup, Mastriano led McCormick 42% to 28% with 29% unsure.In a March interview with POLITICO [link=https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania-senate-race/doug-mastriano-considering-u-s-senate-run-report/]Mastriano said he was praying[/link] over whether to run for Senate in 2024 after losing the Governors race by nearly 15%.
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Re the Senate, my wife told me McConnell keeps asking the rehab staff, Can I go home now?
Sounds like a very serious head injury. When will he be able to return to the Senate? If
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On Thursday, Dave McCormick, who narrowly lost the 2022 Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary to Mehmet Öz, will speak at the Reagan Library. McCormick is considering a 2024 challenge to Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA).
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Bob Casey will run for re-elect in PA
Good news for Dems
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[link=https://www.fandmpoll.org/franklin-marshall-college-poll-april-2023/]Franklin & Marshall poll
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Sen. Bob Casey (D) leading potential challenger Dave McCormick (R), 42% to 35%.
In a match up against Doug Mastriano (R), Casey leads 47% to 31%.Same poll has Biden +1 v. Trump in the general and Trump +6 v DeSantis in the GOP primary
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[b]Club for Growth Could Cost Republicans the Senate[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/18/republicans-club-for-growth-senate-00092440]Politico[/link]: The Club is positioning itself against the National Republican Senatorial Committee in the three states that are most key to retaking the majority: West Virginia, Montana and Ohio.
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[b]GOP Senate Candidate Wants Reparations for White People[/b]
Bernie Moreno, a Republican looking to challenge US Sen. Sherrod Brown, suggested the white descendants of northern Civil War soldiers should be eligible for some form of compensation, the [link=https://nypost.com/2023/04/22/ohio-senate-candidate-floats-reparations-for-white-people/]New York Post[/link] reports.
Said Moreno: They make it sound like America is a racist, broken country. You name a country that did that: that freed slaves, died to do that. You know, they talk about reparations. Where are the reparations for the people in the North who died to save the lives of black people?
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For years my Republican friends have been telling me the Civil War was about “States Rights.” *NOW* it’s about slavery again?
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Dude should STFU and stick to selling cars. Or maybe take a drive out of Beachwood to Collinwood.
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[b]Doug Mastriano Teases Senate Announcement[/b][/h1]
Pennsylvania State Sen. Doug Mastriano (R) plans to make an announcement next week about the decision he has made on whether he will run for U.S. Senate, in what he teased as crazy good news, the [link=https://www.inquirer.com/news/matriano-trump-senate-republican-shapiro-20230520.html]Philadelphia Inquirer[/link] reports.
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