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Control of Senate 2022
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[h1][b]Don Bolduc Immediately Flip-Flops on Support for Election Lies[/b][/h1]
Like a driver making a screeching U-turn, Don Bolduc, the Republican Senate nominee in New Hampshire, pivoted on Thursday from his primary race to the general election, saying he had come to the conclusion that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen, after he had spent more than a year claiming it was, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/us/politics/don-bolduc-nh.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
Said Bolduc: Ive done a lot of research on this, and Ive spent the past couple weeks talking to Granite Staters all over the state from every party, and I have come to the conclusion and I want to be definitive on this the election was not stolen.[link=https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1570425679887343624]https://twitter.com/there…us/1570425679887343624[/link]
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Is he still claiming that COVID vaccines will inject you with Bill Gates’ microchips?
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[h1][b]The Thinker Blake Masters Wants You to Know About: Ted Kaczynski[/b][/h1]
An interviewer asked Arizona Republican Senate candidate Blake Masters to pick a subversive thinker whom people should know more about, the [link=https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-technology-presidential-arizona-2fe9856ac05cb650feb287c7a208b0bb]AP[/link] reports.
Masters gave it some thought and came up with a risky response for someone running for elected office. He picked the Unabomber.
Said Masters: Ill probably get in trouble for saying this. How about, like, Theodore Kaczynski?
Related from [link=https://www.lawfareblog.com/why-right-wing-extremists-love-unabomber]Lawfare[/link]: Why right-wing extremists love the Unabomber.
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Flucking WOW!
Get ready for more Oklahoma bombings bny American “patriots”.
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[h1]Warnock (and Kemp) Lead In Georgia[/h1]
A new [link=https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/the-2022-elections-in-georgia/]Marist poll[/link] in Georgia finds Sen. Raphael Warnock (D) leading challenger Herschel Walker (R) by five percentage points among Georgia registered voters, including those who are undecided yet leaning toward a candidate, 47% to 42%.
In the governors race, Gov. Brian Kemp (R) leads Stacey Abrams (D), 50% to 44%.(Get ready for another potential run-off in GA …. once again potentially for control of the senate)
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Voting for Herschel Walker is sort of like people in PA voting for Dr Oz if Dr Oz was a potato. There’s nothing that comes out of his mouth that shows any signs of intelligence. So hopefully they don’t put that dim bulb in office.
I’d really like to see Stacey Abrams pull it off. Go Stacy go.-
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Voting for Herschel Walker is sort of like people in PA voting for Dr Oz if Dr Oz was a potato. There’s nothing that comes out of his mouth that shows any signs of intelligence. So hopefully they don’t put that dim bulb in office.
I’d really like to see Stacey Abrams pull it off. Go Stacy go.
Not following these races but since when does candidate intelligence factor into voting? It’s all about toeing the party line. Intelligence/logic/ethics may actual be an hindrance…I know nothing about Warnock aside from the fact that he is some type of Christian/Catholic minister etc that is pro-choice which to me is akin to a devout muslim condoning consuming alcohol and pork or a Buddhist monk condoning hunting for “sport*” or even for survival. He sounds like a typical politician
*Don’t mean to be judgmental but I really do not get the concept of hunting-killing a defenseless or even an aggressive animal X with a firearm or G*d help us all a freakin bow, does not seem like sport/challenge
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The [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cookpolitical.com%2Fanalysis%2Fsenate%2Farizona-senate%2Farizona-senate-move-toss-lean-democrat]Cook Political Report[/link] moves Arizonas U.S. Senate race from Toss Up to Lean Democrat.
Democratic groups and Kelly have spent or reserved nearly $65 million during the general election period, compared to almost $16.2 million for GOP groups and Masters. But given that Kelly is able to spend so much of his own money and since candidates get the lowest possible rate per point when looking at gross ratings points alone, the advantage is more notable.
In fact showing just how in trouble Masters is his campaign has been fully dark this week on air, with less than seven weeks until Election Day.
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Hersh makes Sarah Palin look like a founding member of MENSA. He’s some fries short of a happy meal.
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Hersh makes Sarah Palin look like a founding member of MENSA. He’s some fries short of a happy meal.
-Again I don’t think people vote based on the perceived intelligence of candidates, it’s much more emotional/visceral/tribal. I highly doubt that Dubya was more intelligent than Gore or Kerry and things seemed to work out for him.
-Props to Palin if she’s that much of an idiot and managed to have a political career which included becoming the youngest and 1st female Governor of AK, and the 1st female Rep VP candidate
-I suspect that if Walker was a D nominee and you repeatedly called him an idiot, you’d be called a racist.-
& yet people like Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Michael Steele, Allen West, Tim Scott, William Hurd, etc are not called idiots.
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& yet people like Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Michael Steele, Allen West, Tim Scott, William Hurd, etc are not called idiots.
Walker seems to be working very hard to earn that description.
Guess we will see how it all plays out. At the end of the day, R’s are going to vote for their nominee and D’s will do the same. Guess its all about turn-out and perhaps independents but unsure of what their deal is in GA. Based on what I’ve read it’s Warnock’s race to lose at this point.-
Call me what you want but Hersh isnt dumb because hes black. Hes dumb because hes dumb and probably took too many shots to his dome playing football.
Palin is also dumb. I can see Russia from my house. She was kind of the front runner to Kristi Nome. Attractive middle aged white woman who has success in politics.
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I’m not calling you anything. Just pointing out that there is a double standard…Interesting that you mention attractive, white, as keys for female R political success, despite the fact that they are dumb…Does this recipe also work for female D politicians? Which D politicians do you find to be dumb?
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I’m not calling you anything. Just pointing out that there is a double standard…Interesting that you mention attractive, white, as keys for female R political success, despite the fact that they are dumb…Does this recipe also work for female D politicians? Which D politicians do you find to be dumb?
AOC. Not because she is a latina but because she says dumb sh¡t.
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Awwwwww Does she hurt your manhood?
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I have seen intelligence from AOC.
Women dems who dont seem bright. Marcia Fudge, Ilham Omar, we count Tulsi as a dem still.
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NEVADA CNNPOLL CONDUCTED BY SSRS Sept. 26-Oct. 2
LIKELY VOTERS Choice for Senate
Laxalt 48%
Cortez Masto 46%Sept. 26-Oct. 2 LATINO VOTERS Choice for Senate
Cortez Masto 52%
Laxalt 33%5 point split between the Registered voters (Cortez Mastro +3) and LV model …. interesting
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[h1][b]Libertarian Drops Out of Arizona Senate Race, Endorses Masters[/b][/h1]
The Libertarian candidate running for Senate in Arizona who had threatened to play spoiler in the closely watched race is dropping out and endorsing Blake Masters, the Republican nominee, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/blake-masters-marc-victor-arizona.html?utm_campaign=social-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newslit]New York Times[/link] reports.
The decision, announced on Tuesday, gives Mr. Masters a lift heading into the final week as he seeks to unseat Senator Mark Kelly, the Democratic incumbent, who has generally held a narrow lead in the polls.
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Don’t know if it means anything, but today for the first time in a while I see the 538 model giving Republicans greater chance of controlling the Senate than Democrats (51 to 49%).
Basically, I think it means the polls are continuing to move R.
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I agree.
Still a toss-up. but I am mentally prepared for anything from D51-49 to R53-47-
No R55 with Murray going down in WA?
Lol.
I’ll take 53.
Look at that 2024 map tho!
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interesting NYT article today that basically says:
[b]Yes the working class got screwed (by globalization)[/b]. They know they got screwed. And they’ve shifted from Democrat to Republican as a result. I think there’s a lot of truth to the arguments. Better to understand the issue than write off all of the working-class Republicans as evil morons who are voting against their own self-interests.
t’s mostly a bunch of quotes from academic economists.
[i]Many of the trends that negatively impacted workers, especially non-college workers, including rapid automation and trade with China, were advocated and supported by Democratic politicians. [b]Perhaps worse from a political point of view, when these politicians were advocating such policies, they were also viewed as adopting a tone of indifference to the plight of non-college workers.[/b][/i]
[i]What sets the United States apart are U.S.-specific institutional changes and policy choices that failed to blunt, and in some cases magnified, the consequences of these pressures on the U.S. labor market. … It has embraced a policy-driven expansion of free trade with the developing world, Mexico and China in particular, [b]yet failed to direct the gains toward redressing the employment losses and retraining needs of workers.[/b]
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[i]There is, Rodrik observed, broad and compelling evidence, from Europe as well the United States,[b] that globalization-fueled shocks in labor markets have played an important role in driving up support for right-wing populist movements.[/b][/i]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/opinion/artificial-intelligence-automation-jobs-populism.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/opinion/artificial-intelligence-automation-jobs-populism.html[/link]-
Much of this argument that Democrats favored globalization while Republicans opposed it goes against my memory of things, what happened, how they happened and who was on which side until relatively recently.
And:
[link=https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/12/04/on_the_subject_of_globalization_dems_and_gop_exchange_hats_103519.html#!]https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/12/04/on_the_subject_of_globalization_dems_and_gop_exchange_hats_103519.html#![/link]
For decades, the GOP was the Globalization and Opportunity Party. When George W. Bush was president, for example, he could only count on the support of a dozen Democrats in the House of Representatives for any measure to open trade, which largely explains why so few trade agreements were completed during his term.
Going back even further, one sees that in the 1990s congressional support for free trade agreements came overwhelmingly from the Republican side of the aisle, even when the Democrats controlled the White House.When President Clinton negotiated Permanent Normalized Trade Relations (PNTR) with China, for example, he did so on the understanding that then-Speaker Newt Gingrich would deliver the support of two-thirds of the House Republicans for the agreement. President Clinton himself could only count on delivering one-third of Democrats at best. As it turned out, Gingrich exceeded his side of the bargain – three-quarters of House Republicans voted for PNTR. President Clinton didnt have to deliver a third of House Democrats; one-quarter turned out to be enough. Many Democrats were freed to vote their districts, or simply go along with union opposition to the pro-globalization measures.
Republican support for globalization in the 1990s was a continuation of a tradition that had been spawned in the 1980s, when Presidents Reagan and Bush achieved trade agreements with Mexico and Canada. Today, not only does a Republican president proclaim himself a nationalist, so do many Republicans in Congress and outside the Beltway.[link=https://www.theglobalist.com/blue-collar-blues/]https://www.theglobalist.com/blue-collar-blues/[/link]
For most blue-collar workers, the recent weak wage growth continued a longer-run trend of slow real wage increases which had been interrupted by the second half of the 1990s.
But for workers with a college education, the recent slow real wage growth is a relatively new experience because these workers had seen their real pay rise steadily between 1980 and 2000.
It is, therefore, not surprising that real wages and incomes have become a matter of concern.
Between 2000 and 2006, the big inequality story in the United States is the shift in income shares from labor to capital. Estimates suggest that had income gains between 2000 and 2006 been divided in proportion to shares in 2000, real compensation of blue-collar workers which actually increased by 4.9% would have been higher by another 5.2%.
It is only in the period since 2000 that labors share has declined. In 2006, the compensation share was relatively low, at 63.9%, about 2.2% below its peak share in 2001 and 1.6% below the long-run average but about the same share as in 1997.During Donald’s campaign even he was still throwing out the opinion that Americans were falling behind in globalization competition because in his view, Americans were overpaid in blue collar jobs and had to lower income in order to be competitive.
[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-wages-are-too-high-2015-11?op=1]https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-wages-are-too-high-2015-11?op=1[/link]Real-estate tycoon Donald Trump argued during the Tuesday-night Fox Business Network debate that [link=http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-wages-too-high-2015-11]US wages are “too high,”[/link] and he didn’t back off the next morning when pressed.
That had been the Republican viewpoint since the 1980’s, Americans can’t compete with China because of 2 simple reasons, unionization and income. Things could be manufactured so much cheaper in China than in America becaue=se of unions and worker incomes. We see this vivid fact in blue collar jobs and middle class incomes now. Once CEOs made a small multiplier more than their lowest paid employee. Now that’s laughable. Once a bus driver or short-order cook could afford things like supporting a family, now, that’s hardly a fact as McDonalds and Walmart would “help” their employees with applying for government assistance including food stamps.
This opinion is missing much history.
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Having all information and events filtered & spoon fed through 1 propaganda media is a large problem.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/midterms-republicans-nonexistent-agenda/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/midterms-republicans-nonexistent-agenda/[/link]
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Much of this argument that Democrats favored globalization while Republicans opposed it goes against my memory of things, what happened, how they happened and who was on which side until relatively recently.
You’re misunderstanding. Absolutely Republicans (until Trump) generally favored globalization. No one is saying otherwise.
You’re arguing that these non-college educated workers (I’m going to call them “former factory workers”, or FFW) [b]shouldn’t[/b] blame Democrats for the job losses to e.g. China. That’s fine, but that wasn’t the point of the article.
The reality is that they DO largely blame Democrats and believe Republicans are on their side. Saying they shouldn’t is like the current Paul Krugman et al argument that the economy is doing well right now and it isn’t fair that people feel bad about the economy and may vote R.
What the article is saying is that the FFW did in fact get screwed by globalization (how the hell is someone who has to pay US cost of living supposed to compete in a global unskilled labor market with people from the 3rd world? Not possible without some sort of cross-border tax on goods produced in low-cost countries and imported to rich countries, etc). And they’re pissed about it.
This happened under both R and D administrations. And no one on either side cared much, until Trump (well, he doesn’t care either, but he says he does).
The response from prominent Democrat-leaning pundits was dismissive and condescending– see P Krugman’s longstanding argument that the reason these dumb hicks were shifting R was b/c of racism. So the FFW just discovered racism recently? No, they saw their economic futures fading away and, as the article discusses, became more tribal/nativist/etc. Happening across the globe. The Krugman argument is putting the cart before the horse.
Anyway, the D response shouldn’t be: Hey it’s not our fault. Those bozos should be voting for us. That isn’t helpful. The response should be, ok, here’s what happened. Here’s why we lost that constituency. FFW used to be one of *our* constituencies, and naturally should be (favor unions, stronger safety net, etc).
[b]What Dems need to do is solve the problem, not complain that there shouldn’t be a problem. [/b]
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So well said BHE.
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I dont disagree with much of your argument as much of your argument is in fact accurate. However, your FFWs were leaving the democratic party long before Trump, long before Bush, they were leaving at the time of Johnson & Reagan. Those defections were pre-export of jobs to China.
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I guess if you make this kind of argument you can make an identical argument about immigration and the border too
Bottom line is democrats are horrible at messaging and republicans are much better at driving home their points
Even flat revisionist false points. Republicans are just good at it
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Reality is the Democrats are the party of actually trying to do something while the republican party is just a party of no, and has been for years.
Can anyone explain the republican platform as it is now and how it would be should they take control of both houses of Congress and or perhaps the presidency in 2024? Outside of tax cuts that is and more conservative judges. And what would these conservative judges be deciding that is of such deep concern to the GOP base? LGBTQ issues? Christian religion?
What is the GOP plan to address inflation? What is the GOP plan to address anything?-
Tax cuts
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Truth leads to more suffering. Time for a new plan.
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The answer to “who” in terms of party affiliation is meaningless Frumi. Any reasonable person agrees there is a large segment of the Republican party that is downright scary in terms of the future of democracy, public health and quality of life. mUch scarier than the “far left”. You’ve won that argument over and over.
It does not do any of us any good that want to see these scary Republicans fail in their election hopes if the Dems won’t put up candidates that moderates want to vote for.
I was hoping the Dems would win so the rest of the moderate Republicans could be shown they have to disavow the extreme right just like I did. I was hopeful. Now I am not.-
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The answer to “who” in terms of party affiliation is meaningless Frumi. Any reasonable person agrees there is a large segment of the Republican party that is downright scary in terms of the future of democracy, public health and quality of life. mUch scarier than the “far left”. You’ve won that argument over and over.
It does not do any of us any good that want to see these scary Republicans fail in their election hopes if the Dems won’t put up candidates that moderates want to vote for.
I was hoping the Dems would win so the rest of the moderate Republicans could be shown they have to disavow the extreme right just like I did. I was hopeful. Now I am not.
What do you see as “extreme” and what do you see as “far right” and “far left”?-
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/03/oprah-endorses-fetterman-before-midterms-00065105]https://www.politico.com/…fore-midterms-00065105[/link]
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The answer to “who” in terms of party affiliation is meaningless Frumi. Any reasonable person agrees there is a large segment of the Republican party that is downright scary in terms of the future of democracy, public health and quality of life. mUch scarier than the “far left”. You’ve won that argument over and over.
It does not do any of us any good that want to see these scary Republicans fail in their election hopes if the Dems won’t put up candidates that moderates want to vote for.
I was hoping the Dems would win so the rest of the moderate Republicans could be shown they have to disavow the extreme right just like I did. I was hopeful. Now I am not.
You never answer the penultimate question.
You have grifters, authoritarians, those willing to throw a monkey wrench into democratic elections in order to assure their winner who loses the vote, wins, pedophiles who like underage girls, people who are outright corrupt & liars and some downright dumb, people who would force a raped 10 year old child to be a mother with arguments that she’s “too young to get an abortion” but apparently not too young to be a mother, people who believe in QAnon and all kinds of conspiracies, people whose only proposals are more tax cuts and pay-back government investigations, etc, etc, etc
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democratic candidates who proposed and passed a [b]bi-partisan[/b] bill funding for infrastructure, healthcare, renewables over fossil fuels, etc whose spending is less than Trump’s tax cuts.
So how “moderate” must a Democratic candidate be in order to attract “moderate” Republicans? Who are these extremist Democrats pushing “moderate” Republicans into extremist Republican candidates’ arms and what are their oh-so-scary proposals? How radical was this bi-partisan bill? How crazy do “moderate” Republicans think Biden is that they would vote for the extremist Republicans?
Where is the reality there?
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The answer to “who” in terms of party affiliation is meaningless Frumi. Any reasonable person agrees there is a large segment of the Republican party that is downright scary in terms of the future of democracy, public health and quality of life. mUch scarier than the “far left”. You’ve won that argument over and over.
It does not do any of us any good that want to see these scary Republicans fail in their election hopes if the Dems won’t put up candidates that moderates want to vote for.
I was hoping the Dems would win so the rest of the moderate Republicans could be shown they have to disavow the extreme right just like I did. I was hopeful. Now I am not.
What do you see as “extreme” and what do you see as “far right” and “far left”?
The American Right (I won’t even say “far right” because it is now well-baked into mainstream Republican party politics) has moved toward abandoning democracy. It’s clear that a plurality of those Republican voters would prefer a system in which their conservative positions were maintained and are willing to abandon free and fair election and will to resort (or turn a blind eye to/ minimize/trivialize) political violence to make sure that happens. [b]That[/b] is the extremism. Anti-democratic autocracy with fascist acceptance of political violence.
The American Left is not by most peoples’ definitions extreme. They favor things that are considered center-left in most of the rest of world’s democracies…. progressive taxes, environmental regulation, equal treatment under the law, secularism, a large social safety net.
There isn’t any sizable extremist wing in the mainstream of American left wing politics akin to what has historically been considered left wing extremism (communist / anarchist movements etc)
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Exactly why ADHD/Killer is arguing there are no “moderate” Democrats which forces “moderate” Republicans and Independents to vote or threaten to vote for the ummm, extremist Republican? Democrats with their centrist left proposals and laws like Biden’s bi-partisan infrastructure bill are making them vote for Trumpers???
I am confused. Does not compute. With arguments like that-
Biden: we must accept the results of our elections (i agree btw)
also Biden: if Republicans win, we may never have another fair election again because democracy is over
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I like how someone above acted like defund the police wasnt a main stream Democrat talking points just two years ago.
Maybe this will jog your memory
[link]https://youtu.be/NnWn_-GAXa4[/link]
And its not just defunding. The demonizing of the police by the Democrat party has made every one of us less safe, particularly in big cities.
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Both things can be (and may well be) true. There is no contradiction in those two statements.
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And…? Are you attempting to make a point, acpce1? Are you asking a question?
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Exactly why ADHD/Killer is arguing there are no “moderate” Democrats which forces “moderate” Republicans and Independents to vote or threaten to vote for the ummm, extremist Republican? Democrats with their centrist left proposals and laws like Biden’s bi-partisan infrastructure bill are making them vote for Trumpers???
I am confused. Does not compute. With arguments like that
You are confusing yourself because that is not my argument.-
You throw around these words radical and extremist willy-nilly.
Who is the radical extremist and why?
Anyone who disagrees with you is a radical extreme us and a threat to our democracy.
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Exactly why ADHD/Killer is arguing there are no “moderate” Democrats which forces “moderate” Republicans and Independents to vote or threaten to vote for the ummm, extremist Republican? Democrats with their centrist left proposals and laws like Biden’s bi-partisan infrastructure bill are making them vote for Trumpers???
I am confused. Does not compute. With arguments like that
You are confusing yourself because that is not my argument.
Then your argument is???
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The answer to “who” in terms of party affiliation is meaningless Frumi. Any reasonable person agrees there is a large segment of the Republican party that is downright scary in terms of the future of democracy, public health and quality of life. mUch scarier than the “far left”. You’ve won that argument over and over.
It does not do any of us any good that want to see these scary Republicans fail in their election hopes if the Dems won’t put up candidates that moderates want to vote for.
I was hoping the Dems would win so the rest of the moderate Republicans could be shown they have to disavow the extreme right just like I did. I was hopeful. Now I am not.
What do you see as “extreme” and what do you see as “far right” and “far left”?
The right that scares me are the election deniers on the ballot and the terrorist groups. Same people that scare dergon. I think we can beat them by moving to the middle. Has to be some reform of our primary system to do it I think.Far or extreme left doesnt scare me but the solution is the same.
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its funny that Democrats spent their own campaign dollars on ensuring that said election deniers won the Republican primaries. If those election deniers are such a threat to democracy, why did the democrats fund their campaigns? They are directly funding someone they literally think its a threat to democracy? Of course not. They just know that their entire platform is threat to democracy so they needed that bogeyman to fight against.
Democrats spend tens of millions amplifying far-right candidates in nine states
The practice by some campaigns and outside groups this year has divided Democrats, with some in the party complaining that such tactics are risky and could result in the election of candidates who pose serious threats to democracy
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/]https://www.washingtonpos…-republican-primaries/[/link]
Please comment. Would love to hear your take. If they are such a threat, why fund it?
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What do you think of all these election deniers? Its OK when Democrats question Trumps legitimacy by screaming Russian collusion?
Well we thought it was collusion maybe it wasnt. oops.
Or
The means justify the ends. Orange man bad.
[link]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zK6xmm6R7Bk[/link]
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You have posted nothing about why Republicans over Democrats, acpce1. You support the republican but object to Democrats funding your candidate?
Errr, exactly why?
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Democrats calling Trump an illegitimate president, starting with Hillary Clinton saying that the election was stolen from her:
[link]https://youtu.be/zK6xmm6R7Bk[/link]
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My point is Biden saying dont question the results of elections, but if Republicans win, question the results of the elections. Can you see no problem with that?
Democracy is dying, therefore to save democracy you must vote for my party. If you vote for the other party, you are helping democracy die.
Democracy is on the ballot, and there is only one choiceYou people should get outside your MSNBC bubble and listen to somebody balanced like Krystal and Saagar.
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So those posts explain why you are voting for much more radical & extremist Republicans?
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Because republicans Have no plan
They want a border crisis so they can rave about it but they dont want to fix it by prosecuting the employer who hires the illegal
They want a manufactured crime problem in New York or Chicago or San Fran so they can scare rural voters in the Midwest and south
They have no solutions
But they are good at anger and outrage
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Frumi, my argument is that you have no ability or willingness to discuss issues, all you can do to try to argue your side is to explain what my argument is and then say its confusing all while trying to tie me to the extreme side of a party I left in 2016.
Go back and look at all of the threads I killed by making a point that you didnt have a cogent response to and just walked away from. My favorite is the student debt relief thread.
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You dont see the cognitive dissonance about screaming that these election deniers are a threat to our democracy and then directly funding their campaigns?
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So acpce1, because Democrats funded your extremist candidate is why you can’t vote Democratic.
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Border security is a real problem. You say its not. But real people care about it.
Crime is a real problem. You say its not. But people care about it.
Inflation is a major problem, and made substantially worse by the inflation reduction act (most ridiculous gaslight ever with that name) and other awful government spending. (And dont want me in with trumps PPP and $1200 checks being a good idea. Businesses shouldve never been forced to close.)
Energy dependence is a major problem. Gutting our strategic oil reserves to decrease gas prices before the election puts our national security at risk. That should be saved for extreme emergencies.
Afghanistan withdrawal. Awful.
The way Democrats across the country have handled the pandemic with mandates, lockdowns, school closures, etc. Absolutely awful.
Foreign policy. Weve never been closer to nuclear war than now.
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1 issue at a time. You are piling on changing subject & moving goalposts.
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Put aside who I am voting for or who you are voting for
If those people are truly such a threat to democracy, why did Democrats fund their candidacy?
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It was a horrible decision by Dem campaigns.
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Yes, thats why I think they are being disingenuous when they call those people a threat to democracy. If you really think they are a threat to democracy, why did you fund them?
Its nothing but an empty talking point.
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Border security is a real problem. You say its not. But real people care about it.
The republicans under trumps 1st 2 years had control of both houses of Congress and did nothing to address the border issue except talk tough and put people in cages
Why didnt they fix it?
Inflation is a major problem, and made substantially worse by the inflation reduction act (most ridiculous gaslight ever with that name) and other awful government spending. (And dont want me in with trumps PPP and $1200 checks being a good idea. Businesses shouldve never
Uhmmmmmm the inflation reduction act was just recently passed. Nearly all of its programs havent even gone into effect yet
It has no bearing on current inflation whatsoever
Energy dependence is a major problem. Gutting our strategic oil reserves to decrease gas prices before the election puts our national security at risk. That should be saved for extreme emergencies.
No it doesnt. If we are faced with a national security issue we simply stop selling our own oil abroad and when prices go down we replace at a lower cost
Afghanistan withdrawal. Awful
Well I spent nearly a year in Afghanistan and yes withdrawal was not good. But remember trump and republicans purposely dumped it until after the election because we knew this would not be easy
Again you have multiple gripes and complaints but absolutely no solutions
The way Democrats across the country have handled the pandemic with mandates, lockdowns, school closures, etc. Absolutely awful.
And we are completely opened up and doing better than any other country on the planet
Fore n policy. Weve never been closer to nuclear war than now.
Did you ever hear of the Cuban Missile Crisis? Furthermore what would you do just let Putin massacre Ukraine?
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That all being said I think the democrats will get shallacked next week
40% of people vote Republican no matter what
40 % of people vote democrat no matter what
20 % of people vote on what affects them the most at the time of the vote and inflation will be the deciding factor
Democrats got dealt a bad hand and they are going to get blamed for it simply because of timing
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Keeping schools closed and kids masked in blue school districts left a big imprint on parents that will not be easily forgotten. Look at poll numbers for suburban female voters now versus 2020. Im sure the enthusiasm by democrats for transing kids isnt going over well with parents either.
[link=https://twitter.com/newsnancy9/status/1584582051541684224?s=46&t=8JCiMBX3zMpUl5svCQ32GA]https://twitter.com/newsn…8JCiMBX3zMpUl5svCQ32GA[/link]
Transgender activist: "Do you think states should have the right to ban ‘gender-affirming healthcare’?”
Biden: “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.”
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Gender dysphoria is a PSYCHOLOGICAL condition. ~Harvard Medicalpic.twitter.com/pBVv9jnuzP— 𝕏NANCY𝕏 (@9_News_Nancy_) October 24, 2022
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pre pandemic republicans wanted to home school
Everyone and create charter schools to protect their children from being influenced by othersPost pandemic republicans are furious that schools were closed for 2 weeks and on-line for a semester
Fake Outrage
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Is it really fake when it results in the upcoming red wave you are predicting?
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The red wave is not going to be about school or masks
If it happens Its going to be about people having to pay more for everything
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Easiest thing in the world to do as far as politics is concerned is complain and point fingers
Its a lot harder to get sheet done
Lets se what the republicans can get done
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The red wave is not going to be about school or masks
If it happens Its going to be about people having to pay more for everything
this.
(and crime)
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And the general midterm outcome of the party sitting in the presidency losing seats regardless of anything. I heard that since 1938, only twice has the party in power gained seats in midterms? So seems like a done deal regardless of any policy or issue if the predictions are true.
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And the general midterm outcome of the party sitting in the presidency losing seats regardless of anything. I heard that since 1938, only twice has the party in power gained seats in midterms? So seems like a done deal regardless of any policy or issue if the predictions are true.
There was a bit of hope for a while that Trump and abortion rights would take it from normal mid-term cycle to one of the outliers …
But doesn’t look that way now-
Yes, it still looks like Democrats give away elections. Outcomes depend on how many Democratic voters turn out.
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There was a bit of hope for a while that Trump and abortion rights would take it from normal mid-term cycle to one of the outliers …
And this is why, even with a Democrat president, house, and Senate, that Roe versus Wade was not codified. They dont really care about that. Votes baby! Votes! The Dobbs Supreme Court ruling its probably the best thing that couldve happened for Democrat politicians.
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We will see how much these angry parents and suburban housewives like looking at Margorie Taylor Greene spewing her inbred beliefs for the next for years
Be careful what you wish for
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Its funny you people think that the electorate doesnt care about things like lockdowns. This is by Jennifer Sey, former chief marketing officer of Levi, who was ousted at her position for being a vociferous critic of school closures. Youre underestimating how many former democrats feel like this.
Top 10 Reasons Why I’m Not A Democrat Anymore:
Lockdowns
Endless States of Emergency
Use Covid to Demonize and Divide
No Debate or Dissent
It’s a Cult
They’re Hypocrites
They Deny Reality
They’re Snobs
They Don’t Believe in Free Speech
They Hate KidsIve spent my entire adult life voting for Democrats. The only times I didnt vote, reflexively, for the Democratic candidate in my state or city is when I voted further Left, for a Green Party candidate or some such person seeking public office.
And now, there are a whole host of reasons why Ive joined ~40% of the electorate in Colorado as a registered Unaffiliated voter. So I guess that Im one of those white lady voters (except Im urban, not suburban) that is just confused and I dont really understand (according to Hilary Clinton) what is at stake. Color me confused then
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None of you will read it, but she elaborate on all ten of those points if you want to see how Democrats are losing women like her.
[link=https://jennifersey.substack.com/p/why-im-not-a-democrat-anymorel]https://jennifersey.subst…ot-a-democrat-anymorel[/link]
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Well
If Jennifer Sey said it
Must be true
Why cant you think for yourself or post your own arguments
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I am relaying what lots of former Democrat voters are feeling right now. Thats it. Just FYI. These people are the red wave that you just said is coming.
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From her list of complaints it is highly doubtful she was ever a Democratic voter starting with Democrats are a cult so her solution is joining the TRumpers?
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Just taking this list as a person who lives in Ohio. This list looks exactly like why someone would say the GOP is the party of whack-a-doodles.
Lockdowns – Mike Dewine the republican governor did that
Endless States of Emergency – GOP want an emergency declared wherever they have a hurricane but for no dem state.
Use Covid to Demonize and Divide – very much this started with Trump and seems 100% GOP.
No Debate or Dissent – debate doesnt mean GOP lies. If they mouth is open it is spewing a lie.
It’s a Cult – describes trumpism to a tee
They’re Hypocrites – both sides
They Deny Reality – its almost like this list is a projection about the GOP.
They’re Snobs – Im sure some are. Tell me about Mar A Lago
They Don’t Believe in Free Speech – this usually means GOP big lies.
They Hate Kids – the GOP wants to do things like end child tax credits. They care about kids till they are born.
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I am relaying what lots of former Democrat voters are feeling right now. Thats it. Just FYI. These people are the red wave that you just said is coming.
Here ya go. The experience of having Trumper friends and relationships. They last so long as you both either shut up about politics or you (the non-Trumper) just stay silent to stated nonsense like QAnon or even Tucker Carlson.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/us/politics/politics-impacts-relationships.html?unlocked_article_code=yUsaogLz7b58Ese8vwI0ueJmeg8JtiAmx6VrtzDxQf9RnD8MQqoykztTp6uaXMIL6XWriFjcZkjDABX3NyArcmD_u-0VPOdIrWnndeIAJlW6IeAIq8Wag1DngDox3o4Ka6VpcGU796rAJcL7OihiH9twqb_45TDI9cT__aOygR1LKftdc6ZIykjW52_2YPToS4t8LB0lUD8z-4bGxlNcCwtF0GhWyWsqgGP0AsWTNGqgQDpHf95tElj70ShWRydS4R-m6wzY0yZ-7RE48I_lTJsQUimb93G5MpLTdEWNN2Z7sigCmM1B_LzvwM-eoPMc5wgoQlyqpN2z9yuDn4JnKul1DkNs7mRzPy5T&smid=share-url]https://www.nytimes.com/2…y5T&smid=share-url[/link] -
And:
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In the Broe family household, even the mail is divided.
There are separate stacks of political mailers on their kitchen table in the Phoenix suburb of Scottsdale one for the pro-Trump Republican, one for the Libertarian, one for the two Bernie-style Democrats. They all live under the same red-tile roof, but with different worldviews, not all of them tethered to reality.
Carolyn Broe, 65, is a Republican and a music teacher who believes a Democratic cabal stole the 2020 election and has been leading the country into collapse. She declares the president a treasonous hack running a disaster of an administration. Her husband is a Libertarian who considers Ronald Reagan the last admirable elected politician. He questions the integrity of the last election but thinks voters should move on. Their two adult children are to the left of the Democratic Party and are open to supporting socialism. They fear that Republicans are destroying democracy.
Tensions were so high on the eve of the 2016 election that Ms. Broe temporarily moved into a hotel. Her daughter changes the channel from Fox News before leaving the house and Ms. Broe changes it back. She received a text meant for her son, offering him $250 a week to help turn out progressive voters, and she wrote back: I am worried this money is coming from Zuckerberg! He is courting communist China!
Their story would be extraordinary were it not so ordinary in America as the 2022 midterm elections approach on Tuesday.
In a multitude of families, in a multitude of ways, politics is toxic. It strains marriages. It splits sons and daughters from mothers and fathers. Its transformation from cocktail-party chatter to emotional minefield has only intensified since Donald J. Trump left the White House. Americans have long disagreed about politics within families and across generations. But modern politics inflamed by disinformation and the hostile, at-times violent tribalism of public life has stretched what had once been fleeting, mild disputes to the breaking point.
The Broes happen to be the perfect embodiment of their surroundings: They are one of the most divided households in one of the most divided districts in America.
Before Trump & Trumpism, one could have a friendly discussion about different politics over dinner, drinks, just conversation.
Not anymore. Conservatives/Republicans are downright hostile listing to the dreck on Fox & QAnon, etc. that’s all about lies and nonsense. We all agree to say nothing so that we can stay friendly. It is crazy.
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We will see how much these angry parents and suburban housewives like looking at Margorie Taylor Greene spewing her inbred beliefs for the next for years
Be careful what you wish for
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I find it telling that no one has, or can (I don’t know) answer acpce1’s questions.
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What question?
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The only thing we will know for sure Wednesday morning is how many ballots the democrats need to print by Thursday.
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We have a parrot posting.
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Darn, I thought I posted earlier that we had a real election denier in the tree house.
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