[ruszja]

Quote from denizen

I just heard that Rosenstein threatened to quit because Trump tried to pin the decision to fire Comey on him.

 
And if you repeat it a third time, it magically becomes true.

[100574]

Trump admits he asked if he was under investigation–that is a breach of protocol and an attempt to influence the in investigation–high crime–he is a criminal–a liar

[100574]

The job of the White House Counsel per Nixon Dean is to protect the office and not the President so what is McGahn saying to the President that Trump feels he can ask the FBI director whether he is being investigated and McGahn says to Yates so what about lies–the American Bar needs to look into him and possibly reprimand him imho–not a good look for WH Council

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

[i]and an attempt to influence the in investigation–high crime–he is a criminal–a liar[/i]
 
Your continued rants are laughable. You posted for months  you wanted Comey gone and now he is gone by Trump your head is about to explode. If your coronated Queen Hillary was elected and she fired him you would be non-stop posting what a wonderful thing it was. And I would bet the media nor the liberals here would be claming a conspiracy theory it was revenge. 
 
And as for attempt to influence an investigation how quickly you forget Obama made public comments regarding the Hillary email scandal and the IRS investigation but  the liberals and the media never went after him.

[100574]

the orange blunder is going down-tick tock

Quote from Ixrayu

[i]and an attempt to influence the in investigation–high crime–he is a criminal–a liar[/i]

Your continued rants are laughable. You posted for months  you wanted Comey gone and now he is gone by Trump your head is about to explode. If your coronated Queen Hillary was elected and she fired him you would be non-stop posting what a wonderful thing it was. And I would bet the media nor the liberals here would be claming a conspiracy theory it was revenge. 

And as for attempt to influence an investigation how quickly you forget Obama made public comments regarding the Hillary email scandal and the IRS investigation but  the liberals and the media never went after him.

[100574]

the orange blunder is so not Presidential with the tweet storm–President Obama was sooooooooooooooooooo much better and not per Comey–crazy!!!

[btomba_77]

Quote from Ixrayu

[i]and an attempt to influence the in investigation–high crime–he is a criminal–a liar[/i]

Your continued rants are laughable. You posted for months  you wanted Comey gone and now he is gone by Trump your head is about to explode. If your coronated Queen Hillary was elected and she fired him you would be non-stop posting what a wonderful thing it was. And I would bet the media nor the liberals here would be claming a conspiracy theory it was revenge. 

 
I am able to hold two thoughts in my head at once.  It is not contradictory to believe [i]both[/i] that Comey handled the Hillary Clinton email investigation poorly [i]and[/i] that it was wrong for Trump to fire Comey during the course of an investigation into his campaign and associates.

[100574]

amen
Trump fired him like a coward
-once Trump kept him on–it meant he did not care about prior comments–now the orange guy and his team look more incompetent than anything that Comey did with the HRC email
the Russian loving picture shows he is unfit and put the WH at risk for bugging-treason, traitor, crazy,dumbness

Quote from dergon

Quote from Ixrayu

[i]and an attempt to influence the in investigation–high crime–he is a criminal–a liar[/i]

Your continued rants are laughable. You posted for months  you wanted Comey gone and now he is gone by Trump your head is about to explode. If your coronated Queen Hillary was elected and she fired him you would be non-stop posting what a wonderful thing it was. And I would bet the media nor the liberals here would be claming a conspiracy theory it was revenge. 

I am able to hold two thoughts in my head at once.  It is not contradictory to believe [i]both[/i] that Comey handled the Hillary Clinton email investigation poorly [i]and[/i] that it was wrong for Trump to fire Comey during the course of an investigation into his campaign and associates.

[100574]

Trump projects with the show boat comment but it does not matter if he was under investigation prior to the firing–he is now part of a cover-up/obstruction case imho

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from dergon

Quote from Ixrayu

[i]and an attempt to influence the in investigation–high crime–he is a criminal–a liar[/i]

Your continued rants are laughable. You posted for months  you wanted Comey gone and now he is gone by Trump your head is about to explode. If your coronated Queen Hillary was elected and she fired him you would be non-stop posting what a wonderful thing it was. And I would bet the media nor the liberals here would be claming a conspiracy theory it was revenge. 

I am able to hold two thoughts in my head at once.  It is not contradictory to believe [i]both[/i] that Comey handled the Hillary Clinton email investigation poorly [i]and[/i] that it was wrong for Trump to fire Comey during the course of an investigation into his campaign and associates.

The purpose if to make it appear that Trump’s problems are all due to unfair Liberal and Democratic persecution, not due to Trumps missteps and incompetence & mixed, contradictory & changing messages. It’s the Conway method, distraction, don’t look at Trump’s missteps, look at the “alternate facts.”

[100574]

Pompeo ??? what is his role with respect to Flynn–Rachel  Maddow tonight

[100574]

march in California –snap protest against the firing of Comey –GOP apparently having a meeting at the famed Marilyn Monroe some like it hot hotel

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/trump-comey-firing.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65284618&pgtype=Homepage&_r=1]In a private dinner Trump demanded “loyalty” of Comey. Comey promised only “honesty”[/link]
 

As they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trumps rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.
 
Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not reliable in the conventional political sense.

 

[100574]

when you see the pathologic liar throw his own team under the bus–u can understand why Comey walked away
as an aside why has Paul Manafort not registered as a foreign agent and why is Sessions [u]SIGNATURE [/u]on that fire comey stuff
Sessions should be recuse from Manafort–Ukraine wanted the guy for questioning–so Sessions needs to explain 

Quote from dergon

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/trump-comey-firing.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65284618&pgtype=Homepage&_r=1]In a private dinner Trump demanded “loyalty” of Comey. Comey promised only “honesty”[/link]

As they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trumps rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.

Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not reliable in the conventional political sense.

[100574]

if Rosenstein was duped by Trump–he needs to man up but this should also send a signal to anyone( attorneys/GOP) that the Trump snake pit will set u up take the fall–run away-or you will have some gullible memo that you wrote being read on Anderson Cooper by the Conway twit imho
Trump could have fired Comey at the beginning of his term as a peace offering to the dems–no he wanted to see what is in it for him

[100574]

President Obama was so professional with General Patreaus–Trump a big coward and sooooooooo not Presidential to given these mean girl comment toward Comey–so juvenile 3 rd grade level shade

[kayla.meyer_144]

Snow in July is coming. I find more and more Republicans seem to be moderating in this Age of Trump. Maybe he represents The Abyss & they are seeing it for the 1st time.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-political-ax-murder/2017/05/11/8189f73a-3671-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…34b6d506b37_story.html[/link]
 

These implausibilities were obvious within seconds of Comeys firing and the administrations immediate attempt to pin it all on the Rosenstein memo. That was pure spin. So why in reality did Trump fire Comey? 
 
Admittedly, Comey had to go. The cliche is that if youve infuriated both sides, it means you must be doing something right. Sometimes, however, it means you must be doing everything wrong.
 
Over the past year, Comey has been repeatedly wrong. Not, [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/comey-a-theory/2016/07/07/297f9bd0-4478-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html?utm_term=.8037e35b14cd]in my view[/link], out of malice or partisanship (although his self-righteousness about his own probity does occasionally grate). He was in an unprecedented situation with unpalatable choices. Never in American presidential history had a major party nominated a candidate under official FBI investigation. (Turns out the Trump campaign was [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0]under investigation as well[/link].) Which makes the normal injunction that FBI directors not interfere in elections facile and impossible to follow. Any course of action disclosure or silence, commission or omission carried unavoidable electoral consequences.
 
Comey had to make up the rules as he went along. He did. That was not his downfall. His downfall was making up contradictory, illogical rules, such as the July 5 non-indictment indictment of Clinton.
 
Here was an opportunity for a graceful exit
 
Instead we got this a political ax murder, brutal even by Washington standards. (Or even Roman standards. Where was the vein-opening knife and the warm bath?) No final meeting, no letter of resignation, no presidential thanks, no cordial parting. Instead, a blindsided Comey ends up in a live-streamed O.J. Bronco ride, bolting from Los Angeles to be flown, defrocked, back to Washington.
 
So why did he do it? Now we know: The king asked whether no one would rid him of this troublesome priest, and got so impatient he did it himself.

 
And now even Trump is admitting he was thinking about the investigation when he fired Comey.
 
The story changes faster than anything. 
 
BTW ixrayu, here is an simple explanation for the “contradictions” you can’t seem to handle, put into words by none other than Krauthammer.
 
 

[btomba_77]

Quote from Frumious

Snow in July is coming. I find more and more Republicans seem to be moderating in this Age of Trump. Maybe he represents The Abyss & they are seeing it for the 1st time.

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-political-ax-murder/2017/05/11/8189f73a-3671-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…34b6d506b37_story.html[/link]

These implausibilities were obvious within seconds of Comeys firing and the administrations immediate attempt to pin it all on the Rosenstein memo. That was pure spin. So why in reality did Trump fire Comey? 

Admittedly, Comey had to go. The cliche is that if youve infuriated both sides, it means you must be doing something right. Sometimes, however, it means you must be doing everything wrong.

Over the past year, Comey has been repeatedly wrong. Not, [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/comey-a-theory/2016/07/07/297f9bd0-4478-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html?utm_term=.8037e35b14cd]in my view[/link], out of malice or partisanship (although his self-righteousness about his own probity does occasionally grate). He was in an unprecedented situation with unpalatable choices. Never in American presidential history had a major party nominated a candidate under official FBI investigation. (Turns out the Trump campaign was [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0]under investigation as well[/link].) Which makes the normal injunction that FBI directors not interfere in elections facile and impossible to follow. Any course of action disclosure or silence, commission or omission carried unavoidable electoral consequences.

Comey had to make up the rules as he went along. He did. That was not his downfall. His downfall was making up contradictory, illogical rules, such as the July 5 non-indictment indictment of Clinton.

Here was an opportunity for a graceful exit

Instead we got this a political ax murder, brutal even by Washington standards. (Or even Roman standards. Where was the vein-opening knife and the warm bath?) No final meeting, no letter of resignation, no presidential thanks, no cordial parting. Instead, a blindsided Comey ends up in a live-streamed O.J. Bronco ride, bolting from Los Angeles to be flown, defrocked, back to Washington.

So why did he do it? Now we know: The king asked whether no one would rid him of this troublesome priest, and got so impatient he did it himself.

And now even Trump is admitting he was thinking about the investigation when he fired Comey.

The story changes faster than anything. 

BTW ixrayu, here is an simple explanation for the “contradictions” you can’t seem to handle, put into words by none other than Krauthammer.

I had to google the reference for “Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?” 
 
Cool.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Henry & Beckett

[btomba_77]

[link=https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/863007411132649473]https://mobile.twitter.co…tus/863007411132649473[/link]

Trump appears to be threatening Comey to stay silent

[kayla.meyer_144]

Or what? Comey will be fired? Trump will see him in court? Trump will have the FBI investigate Comey? Extraordinary rendition to parts unknown (Siberia)?

[kaldridgewv2211]

Another Nixon move, tape visitors.  I actually wonder if there’s any legal issues there.  Not all states or I guess districts are one party consent.  Is it possible Trump might have violated a wiretapping law.

[btomba_77]

Peter Beinhart puts out what I was trying to say…. just more articulate.

[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/enough-with-the-charges-of-democratic-hypocrisy/526290/]https://www.theatlantic.c…atic-hypocrisy/526290/[/link]

“Enough with the charges of democratic hypocrisy”

First, criticizing Comey doesnt necessarily mean you want him fired. In order to investigate crimes irrespective of the political fallout, FBI directors are supposed to enjoy a high degree of independence from the presidents under whom they serve. Thats why their terms are 10 years long. Its why only one FBI director has been firedfor egregious misconduct recognized as such across the aislesince the bureau was created. And its why most congressional Democrats did not propose firing Comey even though they believe he gravely mishandled the investigation into Hillary Clintons emails. Because they respect the integrity of the office even if theyre not fans of the man who holds it.

Second, criticizing Comeyand even believing he committed errors serious enough to warrant firingdoesnt mean you want him fired under present circumstances. It doesnt mean you want him fired for investigating the Trump campaigns collusion with Russia, which is what Trump appears to have done.

[b]Its not hard to understand. Unless you dont want to understand it because youre determined to defend Trump no matter what. Which, unfortunately, describes the attitude of many in todays GOP. [/b]

[kaldridgewv2211]

I actually think hypocrisy is a fair criticism but Washington is like a never ending stream of it.  You can get a heapin’ helpin’ of it from either side.  

[kayla.meyer_144]

It takes voters to get those heapin helpings in office, the voters who are requiring that certain je ne sais quoi of our elected officials.

If it’s broken, look who broke it, republicans, democrats, independents, stay at homes.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/05/12/trumps-tapes-tweet-is-too-much-hasnt-the-gop-had-enough]https://www.washingtonpos…snt-the-gop-had-enough[/link]
 

The 2016 election demonstrated that the party once united by political thought (e.g., smaller government, objective truth, respect for tradition, the rule of law) and respect for civic virtue would accept a thoughtless, entirely unscrupulous leader for the sake of holding power. ([i]Sure, hes totally ignorant about the world, but well get the Supreme Court[/i]. [i]Well, hes obviously lying about a bunch of issues, but hell sign whatever the House gives him.[/i]) En masse, most Republicans including those at some premier publications (which are now unreadable to all but the Trump cultists) declared willingness to defend ignorance, bigotry, dishonesty and ineptitude on the chance that theyd get a top marginal tax rate of 28 percent. The calculation, to those not driven by partisan zeal, seems shockingly small-minded and tribalistic. [i](At least Hillary Clintons not there to raise taxes!)[/i]One marvels at other trades theyd make. (Lose an independent judiciary for sake of a meaningless and offensive travel ban?)
 
[b]Republican Party identification has begun [i]requiring[/i] intellectual vacuity.[/b] 
 
One has to be free from shame to agree that its no big deal when Trump confesses he fired former FBI director James B. Comey because he decided Russian interference in the election was just a made-up story. A slew of FBI agents is now investigating the made-up story, the entire intelligence community verifies it and members of both parties acknowledge that it occurred.

 
 
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Trump is very self-destructive and I really don’t get it.  This doesn’t seem like his ego taking over, it’s just pure stupid at this point.  He talks like he’s the smartest guy in the room but just look at this new FBI stuff.  He goes out and contradicts their own narrative in his NBC interview.  This taping Comey thing is beyond weird.  If you were in a government position would you ever want to agree to take a call from him?  How about a conference call with witnesses and a someone click record on the WebEx session.  Also if I’m in Congress I’m going to be requesting his tapes.

[btomba_77]

Exactly. It’s begging for a congressional committee to subpoena and/all White House recordings.
 
 

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Trump is very self-destructive and I really don’t get it.  This doesn’t seem like his ego taking over, it’s just pure stupid at this point.  He talks like he’s the smartest guy in the room but just look at this new FBI stuff.  He goes out and contradicts their own narrative in his NBC interview.  This taping Comey thing is beyond weird.  If you were in a government position would you ever want to agree to take a call from him?  How about a conference call with witnesses and a someone click record on the WebEx session.  Also if I’m in Congress I’m going to be requesting his tapes.

 
The man who ran the agency in the business of wiretapping people surely knew that any conversation he had with the president was being wiretapped at both ends (and probably in between as well).
 
Preet Bharara knew how this works. He refused to pick up the phone when Trump called.
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Another 18-1/2 minute gap coming to a courtroom near you.

[100574]

we don’t need the tapes–we have the Holder interview with Trump’s big mouth asking if he was being investigated–obstruction/cover up

[100574]

DC law –you can’t tape a call with out consent–another law broken–
Florida similar except if parties don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy–a dinner   between the President and FBI director we expect to be private

[btomba_77]

White House will neither confirm nor dent recording conversations.

[100574]

hope there are tapes–trump trying to do a mafioso entrapment of the feds–this will not end well for him or his kids
son-in-law

Quote from dergon

White House will neither confirm nor dent recording conversations.

[ruszja]

Quote from sentinel lymph node

DC law –you can’t tape a call with out consent–another law broken–

 
Incorrect.
 
DC Code 23-542 (B) (3)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Do you ever engage your brain before you type ?

[100574]

DC Wiretapping Law The District of Columbia’s wiretapping law is a [link=http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations]”one-party consent” law[/link]. DC makes it a crime to record a phone call or conversation [b]unless one party to the conversation consents.[/b] See [link=http://dccode.org/browser/#/23/23-542]D.C. Code § 23-542[/link]. Thus, if you operate in DC, [style=”background-color: #ccffcc;”]you may record a conversation or phone call if you are a party to the conversation or you get permission from one party to the conversation in advance. That said, if you intend to record conversations involving people located in more than one state, you should play it safe and get the consent of all parties.[/style] [/style]
[style=”background-color: #ccffcc;”] In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the DC wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party [/style]
[style=”background-color: #ccffcc;”] where did the dinner occur/ call made to and from DC or is Florida involved [/style]

[100574]

—
Florida Recording Law[/h1] [i][b]Note[/b]: This page covers information specific to Florida. For general information concerning the use of recording devices see the [link=http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-conversations-meetings-and-hearings]Recording Phone Calls, Conversations, Meetings and Hearings[/link] section of this guide.[/i]
Florida Wiretapping Law[/h3] Florida’s wiretapping law is a [link=http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations]”two-party consent” law[/link]. Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a “wire, oral, or electronic communication” in Florida, [b]unless all parties to the communication consent[/b]. See [link=http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0900-0999/0934/Sections/0934.03.html]Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03[/link]. Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any telephone conversation and any in-person that common sense tells you is private.
In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the Florida wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party.
Consult The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press’s [link=http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html]Can We Tape?: Florida[/link] for more information on Florida wiretapping law.

[100574]

why so nasty

Quote from fw

Quote from sentinel lymph node

DC law –you can’t tape a call with out consent–another law broken–

Incorrect.

DC Code 23-542 (B) (3)

Do you ever engage your brain before you type ? –are you refering to me or Trump or just being a nasty nasty nasty nasty person–do better it’s Friday

[ruszja]

Quote from sentinel lymph node

why so nasty

 
Because you are an idiot and you type before you think.
 
You can record a conversation in DC without the other parties consent. DC is a ‘one party consent’ jurisdiction and if you do the recording, you presumably consented to recording your own voice.
Neighboring Maryland is a ‘two party consent’ jurisdiction which is what tripped up Linda Tripp.

[100574]

you are a very nasty, bitter hateful person against free speech–please block me if u do not like what I say–good bye good riddance whine doll–
Out country imho has been infiltrated by Russia
did Tripp do time
we have to wake up to the republican hypocricy

Quote from fw

Quote from sentinel lymph node

why so nasty

Because you are an idiot and you type before you think.

You can record a conversation in DC without the other parties consent. DC is a ‘one party consent’ jurisdiction and if you do the recording, you presumably consented to recording your own voice.
Neighboring Maryland is a ‘two party consent’ jurisdiction which is what tripped up Linda Tripp.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from fw

Quote from sentinel lymph node

why so nasty

Because you are an idiot and you type before you think.

You can record a conversation in DC without the other parties consent. DC is a ‘one party consent’ jurisdiction and if you do the recording, you presumably consented to recording your own voice.
Neighboring Maryland is a ‘two party consent’ jurisdiction which is what tripped up Linda Tripp.

No one knows where the alleged tapes were done.  So Trump could well be in jeopardy.

[btomba_77]

The big question isn’t really whether they were “legal” or not … they most liekly are.
 
 
It’s about them being “discoverable” subject to a subpoena.  Once obtained by investigators who knows what crazy crap they might have Trump or his team saying on tape.
 
.. if they even exist at all.

[100574]

because of his lies–if Trump does not produce tapes you could call it obstruction whether they were a figment of his imagination or not because he will never say tweeted a lie–would that not be ironic

[kayla.meyer_144]

Now allegedly Kelly Ann Conway complained she felt like she had to take a shower after saying some of the things she said for Trump. She did it for the money.
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/business/media/mika-joe-kellyanne-conway.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-kellyanne-conway.html[/link]
 

The hosts of MSNBCs Morning Joe said on Monday that the White House counselor Kellyanne Conway complained extensively about President Trump in private conversations with them before he was elected.
 
Mika Brzezinski said during Mondays broadcast that she heard Ms. Conway denounce the candidate in private after promoting him on television.
 
She would get off the air, the camera would be turned off, the microphone would be taken off, and she would say Blech, I need to take a shower, because she disliked her candidate so much, Ms. Brzezinski said of Ms. Conway.
 
[link=http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/charles_joseph_joe_scarborough/index.html?inline=nyt-per]Joe Scarborough[/link], Ms. Brzezinskis co-host [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/business/media/morning-joe-engaged.html]and fiancé[/link], echoed the statements, saying that Ms. Conway said after being interviewed that she had only taken the job for money and that she would soon be done defending Mr. Trump.
 
But first I have to take a shower, because it feels so dirty to be saying what Im saying, Ms. Brzezinski added, mocking what the hosts said was Ms. Conways attitude at the time. I guess shes just used to it now.

 
 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/comey-testify-intelligence-committee-public-article-1.3161395#scso=uid_WRcKLwAKRSoKg-PEhwHvxw_1:0]https://www.google.com/am…LwAKRSoKg-PEhwHvxw_1:0[/link]

James Comey agrees to testify in front of the Senate intelligence committee…

But only if it is a public hearing.

Smart man

[Unknown Member]

Great idea. This is the only proper thing.  What else is Trump going to try to do to intimidate a witness?  
 
More stupid tweeting?  Hire somebody from Russia to kneecap someone the Russian way with radioactive Koolaid?  Trump is spiraliing out of control.  Just hope he doesn’t permanently dismantle our democracy in the process of self destruction.
 
If we don’t prosecute him for the multiple crimes he has already committed, we are in trouble.  Crimes he’s admitted:
 
1. Obstruction of justice.  He admitted to firing Comey to try to stop the Russia investigation. He admitted he thinks that investigation should be stopped. 
2.  Witness intimidation. His tweet threatening to release secret tapes if Comey talks.
3.  Secretly wiretapping someone without their consent, which may be illegal, as SLN stated above. 

[Unknown Member]

Fw,  I could all people sock puppets and 8th graders, too, but that would be too easy.  

[Unknown Member]

On Thursday, I noted in the Corner that Donald Trump tried to convince the editors of The Economist (!) that he coined the phrase prime the pump to describe Keynesian economic stimulus. This is just bizarre. Its even more bizarre when you consider that Trump claims that he invented the phrase just a few days ago especially since hes been using the term himself for more than a year. I asked readers what could possibly explain this objectively ridiculous statement and, sure as shinola, a common answer was, Its all part of his plan! By saying something absurd, Trump is getting people to talk about how hes going to prime the pump! Get it? Genius! This is a very small example of a very large problem.
 
[b]The rush to defend the myth of Trump is causing conservatives to abandon their principles, standards, and credibility at a breathtaking pace.[/b] Forget the issue of who coined the phrase prime the pump. Everyone seems to have overlooked the fact that we have a Republican president defending a school of economics that conservatives have been trying to beat back for more than a century (free-market economists were anti-Keynesian before Keynes was born). Now, I know Trump was talking about tax cuts here, and theres a Keynesian argument for tax cuts that conservatives sometimes flirt with. But Trump also uses prime the pump for his infrastructure-spending ideas. [b]More to the point, he just doesnt know what hes talking about. And yet that doesnt stop him from calling in St. Elmos Fire to keep people from noticing.[/b]

Read more at: [link=http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/447594/donald-trump-james-comey-debacle-fbi-director-fired-certified-letter]http://www.nationalreview…fired-certified-letter[/link]

 
Conservatives are turning on him.

[kaldridgewv2211]

What I’m reading in the twitter sphere from Clint Watts is that Comey is insisting his testimony be public. Seems like the smart move since Trumps threatening with tapes.

[Unknown Member]

It should be interesting to hear all that he has to say.  If they let him say it in public.  If they don’t, then something is very wrong with this “democratic” process.

[100574]

Comey must have a public hearing –the President’s mental health is not classified and should be discuss
Jared is oh so quiet like a mouse–is this his ultimate revenge to disgrace the FBI–the organization that sent his dad to the pen–he has already silenced Christie–is he out to destroy the reputation of the Fed– this may be why Comey was fired in such a disrespectful coward manner–no phone call—just send bald trailer park  trash goon guy with the letter-is this TRump/Jared saying to all you honest FBI agents that go after white collar crimes –well we  are in power and will come after u–look how easy we destroyed Rosenstein’s reputation and Trump attempted mafioso threat that I have tapes–yawn–like the fed /ny states have evidence from trump u
tone death Ivanka posting pics of her lounging at a DC museum
–imho–every GOP who considers to get on the Trump train must keep in mind that they may be a pawn to write up a memo and then have a Kelly Ann come out on CNN to recite your memo/email and dump you with the blame
Rosenstein may be an example of how to lose your reputation after writing a memo
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

I wonder how true any of that is.  This doesn’t seem like something Morning Schmucko would’ve kept to himself and why now.  I take KAC as a pivoter-in-chief with frosty brass balls.  Not that any of this has to do with Comey other than potential KAC spin.

[btomba_77]

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/trump-new-american-politics-cover-up-public-view-article-1.3165073]Trumps firing of FBI Director James Comey is a new form of American politics known as a cover-up in public view[/url]

In an interview with Lester Holt of NBC News, he declared, “I was gonna fire [Comey] regardless of [DOJ’s] recommendation.”

Still more astonishingly, he added: “And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”

So there he was, right out in the open, volunteering that he had fired an FBI director partly because that director was investigating him. It was as if Richard Nixon, in 1974, had gone on TV, after all his aides’ denials, and said, “Sure, I told the CIA to quash an FBI investigation. When I decided to do it, I said to myself, You know, this Watergate thing with Nixon is a made-up story.”[/QUOTE]

[url=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/15/15627284/trump-comey-firing-obstruction-justice-nixon-watergate]Firing James Comey to impede an investigation isn’t smoke. It’s fire.[/url]

This kind of information is what forced Nixon out of office and shocked his Republican allies out of defending him. For now, Trumps Republican allies in Congress are standing by him and refusing to consider even an independent prosecutor, let alone impeachment.
But this is not a where theres smoke theres fire situation. We dont need to know much more to know that the president has committed conduct that was once thought sufficient to warrant removal from office.
The Comey firing isnt smoke. Its fire.

Or as Teagan Goddard writes today: [url=https://politicalwire.com/2017/05/15/cover-isnt-secret-happen/]We may never know if the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to win the presidential election. But we are certain Trump is trying to cover it up.[/url]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Even the Forum’s Trumpets don’t know what to make of all this stupidity and incompetence from Trump as they are silent trying to figure it all out. All they “know” is that Trump’s stupidity makes Liberals crazy so that is a good thing but they can’t quite figure out and explain why it’s good since they don’t know themselves what’s happening.
 
Must be Trump’s superior intellect why everyone’s missing the meaning.

[100574]

The way Trump fired Comey is pure low class cowardice–You pick up the phone–don’t send some bald goon out and you really don’t go out the next day and say the guy was a showboat
no that was not only un-Presidential but just low class tacky
money does not buu u class

[ruszja]

Quote from sentinel lymph node

The way Trump fired Comey is pure low class cowardice–You pick up the phone–don’t send some bald goon out and you really don’t go out the next day and say the guy was a showboat
no that was not only un-Presidential but just low class tacky
money does not but u class

Comey is lucky that Trump didn’t send him on a fishing excursion with his body guard.

[100574]

Have u seen the size of Comey–he could take on the old bald goon any day but it looks like Comey has left a scarlet letter right on Trump’s face with a memo that says basically Trump attempted to obstruct an investigation –can’t wait to hear Comey explain in public that the Obama tweet was a lie and if the President still holds that it is true it suggest a delusional disorder

Quote from fw

Quote from sentinel lymph node

The way Trump fired Comey is pure low class cowardice–You pick up the phone–don’t send some bald goon out and you really don’t go out the next day and say the guy was a showboat
no that was not only un-Presidential but just low class tacky
money does not but u class

Comey is lucky that Trump didn’t send him on a fishing excursion with his body guard.

[100574]

Cornyn –did not take the Sessions bait–he said no to FBI director–wise choice–stay away from the Trump train because it will only drag u down into the gutter

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

Comey is lucky that Trump didn’t send him on a fishing excursion with his body guard.

Your cure for inconvenient people, the Fredo treatment? Like the Putin treatment.
 
Michael Corleone & Putin, people to be admired for getting things done..

[btomba_77]

Chaffetz ready to subpoena Comey memo
 
Graham ready for independent prosecutor if it is true

[henriqueabreu]

This is entertaining. Everyday another bombshell- all self induced. I’m goin grab me some popcorn. Waiting for the grande finale

[100574]

this is what I ask everyday–how does this fiasco end–word just hit the street–Manafort has been issued a subpoena related to a 3.5 million loan he took out after leaving the Trump campaign
Trump with his interview with Holt and his tweet imho has waived his executive privilege right 
Comey had a duty to protect the reputation of the FBI by letting this memo get out after Trump did the holt interview and Trump’s tweet

Quote from hey

This is entertaining. Everyday another bombshell- all self induced. I’m goin grab me some popcorn. Waiting for the grande finale

[kaldridgewv2211]

Independent Sen. Angus King of Maine drops the “I” word.

[link=http://www.sunjournal.com/news/maine/2017/05/16/angus-king-says-presidents-impeachment-possible/2131728]http://www.sunjournal.com…hment-possible/2131728[/link]

[100574]

Malcom Nance says when u have the full weight of the intelligence community on u-
he had said months ago–Trump people need to make a deal and lawyer up.– telling Comet to call off his dogs–like we know he said it because he said to about Yates and Clapper “started to choke like dogs”–yes calling a woman a dog But what is this white house counsel doing–we as tax payers pay his salary

[kayla.meyer_144]

Thank God! Hillary wasn’t elected. Imagine her actually GIVING away secrets to Putin..
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2017/05/16/imagine-all-this-with-a-different-president/]https://www.washingtonpos…a-different-president/[/link]

[btomba_77]

Trump asks everyone else to leave the room before asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation.
 
Lots of chatter about the definition of “obstruction of justice” around DC and in Congress today.

[100574]

now so you have to ask with that Sessions should have come out the next day and resigned

Quote from dergon

Trump asks everyone else to leave the room before asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation.

Lots of chatter about the definition of “obstruction of justice” around DC and in Congress today.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Breaking news: Trump appoints Dog the Bounty Hunter to run the FBI. – Jeff Ross

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatens police chief over confiscation of a laptop involved in a criminal investigation.Where is CNN nonstop coverage?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ixrayu

Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatens police chief over confiscation of a laptop involved in a criminal investigation.Where is CNN nonstop coverage?

Maybe you need to explain what one has to do with the other & not expect us to join in your conspiratorial world to investigate. It’s like Hannity & the Right-Wing maintaining Seth Rich was murdered by the Democrats, “where is the liberal media?” All the links I see about Wasserman staffer’s laptop appears on Right-wing conspiratorial sites. Is that proof of Liberal cover-up or Right-wing fake news?
 
Based on the track record, I’m in the fake-news category for this story. You can’t make conclusions without information or evidence, I mean not invented information. Like Seth Rich. Or let’s re-open the murder of Vince Foster while we’re at it.

[kaldridgewv2211]

I’ve been reading about this document which supposedly was a Russian plant and swayed Comey to go public with the HRC email thing.
 
Shows some sophisticated hacking was at play by Russia.
 
[link=http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-document-comey-clinton-email-probe-2017-5]http://www.businessinside…ton-email-probe-2017-5[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

The truth Dan, is that this is a double-fake. It REALLY IS a genuine document from Wasserman-Schultz, just faked to look fake & planted by Russians. As suspicion is raised on right-wing conspiracy sites (are there any other?) it will prove both that the Russians were framed AND that Hillary is guilty.
 
See? EZ Peezy.
 
In the end it really doesn’t matter whether the document was really planted or not, it’s what conspiracy people believe that matters. Alternative facts are all that matters, not real ones. Hillary was guilty whether or not she was or what the facts show, it’s what I believe that matters.
 
 
 

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I’ve been reading about this document which supposedly was a Russian plant and swayed Comey to go public with the HRC email thing.

Shows some sophisticated hacking was at play by Russia.

[link=http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-document-comey-clinton-email-probe-2017-5]http://www.businessinside…ton-email-probe-2017-5[/link]

 
That would explain why DWS really really needs to get that laptop back that her Pakistani IT guy stole.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1]https://www.nytimes.com/2…amp;smtyp=cur&_r=1[/link]
 
 
Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation[/h1]  

[100574]

McCaster was worst than Spicer in q and a with media

[kaldridgewv2211]

Who called it first but his interfering with investigation is what gets him impeached. Lets move onto Mike Pence.

[100574]

fake news that Comey fell for–move along Russiantrollbot

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

Fake news? It’s on tape.

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

Fake news? It’s on video tape.

[kaldridgewv2211]

How does this fit the OP of Trump firing Comey? What’s the laptop that was confiscated?

[100574]

now Trumpsters want to dog out Comey in light of his memo on their talks is about to hit–no–u guys were praising him while he was all up on HRC tip–u reap what u sow

[btomba_77]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

How does this fit the OP of Trump firing Comey? What’s the laptop that was confiscated?

Because:
[img]http://t.qkme.me/3qrvf6.jpg[/img]
 
 
 

[btomba_77]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

How does this fit the OP of Trump firing Comey? What’s the laptop that was confiscated?

 
There is a great WaPo piece on [i]exactly[/i] this type of behavior.  It’s dubbed whattaboutism . 
 
[url]https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/866454097599356929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F05%2F22%2Fsean-hannity-just-gave-the-game-away%2F[/url]
 

Regarding Hannity tweet — WaPo: [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/22/sean-hannity-just-gave-the-game-away/?utm_term=.e0ab6289ad57]Sean Hannity just gave away the game[/url]

The Trump era has overlapped with the blossoming of a number of questionable rhetorical practices, not the least of which is [b]the practice of responding to any critique of Trump with a tangentially similar critique of one of his political opponents[/b], usually Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Someone, somewhere dubbed this whattaboutism as in, What about what Obama did? CNN hired several of the worlds preeminent practitioners of whattaboutism in Jeffery Lord and Kayleigh McEnany, who will deflect nearly any negative news about Trump by pointing out some often-less-severe or unrelated offense by his predecessor.

Now heres the thing. Often (although not always with Lord or McEnany) this is an innocent response, predicated on the assumption that Obama and Clinton were inherently less trustworthy than Trump. Normally, its then incumbent on outside interlocutors to clarify how and where what Trump did is different from what others did, but, again, the Internet always provides someone willing to blur that line. Sometimes that blurring is itself innocent in intent; often, its deliberately misleading.

…

Hannitys point is to have that one thing, that one “whattabout”, that allows himself and those interested in joining him to preserve confidence in Trump.

(bolding mine)

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

Of course the Washington Post would come up w such a term. It is a deflection on their part to justify their inability to cover stories fairly. The media is being caught in their game and they do not like it.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ixrayu

Of course the Washington Post would come up w such a term. It is a deflection on their part to justify their inability to cover stories fairly. The media is being caught in their game and they do not like it.

So let me get this straight, you know the Washington Post is lying because you have evidence proving it that the Post is ignoring or outright lying about?
 
Or you just don’t like the Washington Post because it doesn’t hew to your opinions regardless of evidence and any evidence they present is by definition a lie? Or evidence is irrelevant.

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

The jig is up the medias biased reporting is blatantly obvious. Did I say in the post  their stories were lying?

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

Remember the words of Mika Brzezinski: It is their job to control what people think.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ixrayu

Remember the words of Mika Brzezinski: It is their job to control what people think.

You said the Post deflects. That’s manipulation. And you present that opinion without evidence. As for controlling what people think, I think that’s been the goal more of Fox than the Post. It’s been the Right that enforces conformity than the center or the Left. The Right is guilty of “epistemic closure” much more than the center or the Left.
 
[link=http://washingtonmonthly.com/2015/08/26/epistemic-closure-comes-back-to-haunt-the-gop/]http://washingtonmonthly….back-to-haunt-the-gop/[/link]
 

Five years ago [link=http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/03/26/frum-cocktail-parties-and-the-threat-of-doubt/]Julian Sanchez[/link] did us the favor of defining a pattern among conservatives that he called epistemic closure.
[blockquote] One of the more striking features of the contemporary conservative movement is the extent to which it has been moving toward epistemic closure. Reality is defined by a multimedia array of interconnected and cross promoting conservative blogs, radio programs, magazines, and of course, [i]Fox News[/i]. Whatever conflicts with that reality can be dismissed out of hand because it comes from the liberal media, and is therefore ipso facto not to be trusted. (How do you know theyre liberal? Well, they disagree with the conservative media!) This epistemic closure can be a source of solidarity and energy, but it also renders the conservative media ecosystem fragileIf disagreement is not in itself evidence of malign intent or moral degeneracy, people start feeling an obligation to engage it sincerelyAnd there is nothing more potentially fatal to the momentum of an insurgency fueled by anger than a conversation.
[/blockquote] The entire basis for the existence of Rupert Murdochs [i]Fox News[/i] is the belief that the mainstream media cannot be trusted to tell the truth because they are all liberals. This fed something that we as human beings already tend to do anyway reject information that doesnt conform to our already-established beliefs. It feels good to not have to grapple with the cognitive dissonance that comes with consideration of conflicting facts. But the end result is that it kills curiosity and we wallow in ignorance.
 
The disastrous results of epistemic closure for conservatives have been on display for some time now. It explains how they continue to deny the science of climate change, assume that the Bureau of Labor Statistics is cooking the books on unemployment data and led to a whole movement during the 2012 election to unskew the polls. But for everyone from Murdoch to GOP leaders, it worked to keep the base angry and engaged.
 
And thenit got out of control. Take a look at the results of [link=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/inside_the_mind_of_the_trump_supporter.html]Frank Lunzs focus group[/link] with Trump supporters.
 
For these participants, the Republican establishment (and perhaps even [i]Fox News[/i] itself) have now joined the liberal [i]New York Times[/i] in peddling a politically motivated conspiracy when they challenge Donald Trump.

 
 
Alienation is not the way to get at the truth.
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/opinion/alienated-mind-trump-supporters.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-trump-supporters.html[/link]
 

As Yuval Levin argues in a [link=https://eppc.org/publications/conservatism-in-an-age-of-alienation/]brilliant essay[/link] in Modern Age, Alienation can sometimes make for a powerful organizing principle for an [i]electoral[/i]coalition. But it does not make for a natural organizing principle for a [i]governing[/i] coalition.
 
Worse, alienation breeds a distrust that corrodes any collective effort. To be woke in the alienated culture is to embrace the most cynical interpretation of every situation, to assume bad intent in every actor, to imagine the conspiratorial malevolence of your foes.
 
Alienation breeds a hysterical public conversation. Its public intellectuals are addicted to overstatement, sloppiness, pessimism, and despair. They are self-indulgent and self-lionizing prophets of doom who use formulations like [link=http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/]the Flight 93 election[/link] who speak of every problem as if it were the apocalypse.
 
Alienation also breeds a zero-sum mind-set its us or them and with it a tribal clannishness and desire for exclusion. 

 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from dergon

Quote from DICOM_Dan

How does this fit the OP of Trump firing Comey? What’s the laptop that was confiscated?

There is a great WaPo piece on [i]exactly[/i] this type of behavior.  It’s dubbed whattaboutism . 

[link=https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/866454097599356929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F05%2F22%2Fsean-hannity-just-gave-the-game-away%2F]https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/866454097599356929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F05%2F22%2Fsean-hannity-just-gave-the-game-away%2F[/link]

Regarding Hannity tweet — WaPo: [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/22/sean-hannity-just-gave-the-game-away/?utm_term=.e0ab6289ad57]Sean Hannity just gave away the game[/link]

The Trump era has overlapped with the blossoming of a number of questionable rhetorical practices, not the least of which is [b]the practice of responding to any critique of Trump with a tangentially similar critique of one of his political opponents[/b], usually Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Someone, somewhere dubbed this whattaboutism as in, What about what Obama did? CNN hired several of the worlds preeminent practitioners of whattaboutism in Jeffery Lord and Kayleigh McEnany, who will deflect nearly any negative news about Trump by pointing out some often-less-severe or unrelated offense by his predecessor.

Now heres the thing. Often (although not always with Lord or McEnany) this is an innocent response, predicated on the assumption that Obama and Clinton were inherently less trustworthy than Trump. Normally, its then incumbent on outside interlocutors to clarify how and where what Trump did is different from what others did, but, again, the Internet always provides someone willing to blur that line. Sometimes that blurring is itself innocent in intent; often, its deliberately misleading.

…

Hannitys point is to have that one thing, that one “whattabout”, that allows himself and those interested in joining him to preserve confidence in Trump.

(bolding mine)

My mom will do this.  It’s always “well why didn’t they investigate the Clinton foundation”,   “Hillary sold the plutonium to Russia”, etc….
 
My answer is Hillary ain’t the POTUS.

[kayla.meyer_144]

The laptop has the evidence about Vince Foster’s murder.

[btomba_77]

[b]Its the dumbest political decision in modern political history, bar none. A self-inflicted wound of massive proportions.[/b]
[b][/b]      – Steve Bannon on the firing of James Comey

[ruszja]

Quote from dergon

[b]Its the dumbest political decision in modern political history, bar none. A self-inflicted wound of massive proportions.[/b]
[b] [/b]      – Steve Bannon on the firing of James Comey

 
The same could be said about hiring Bannon to play a permanent role in the whitehouse. Winning a campaign is a bare-knuckles game and using someone like Bannon to do the dirtywork is fair game. Running the whitehouse like a campaign operation only catering to your base is a grave mistake that continues to sink the Trump presidency.

[julie.young_645]

The absolute dumbest thing Trump ever did was to not can Comey immediately upon taking office.

[100574]

he gets an F on a lot of his job hires–many felt Sessions was not appropriate for AG but he pulled him from secure Alabama seat and has what he has–what do Omarosa and Kelly Ann do–Price bad pick and now may not be able to run for a seat the GOP had to spend millions to keep-Scaramu, Spicer–the list is endless and he continues to employ the 2 most ZERO experience narcissists(JaVanka)

Quote from fw

Quote from dergon

[b]Its the dumbest political decision in modern political history, bar none. A self-inflicted wound of massive proportions.[/b]
[b] [/b]      – Steve Bannon on the firing of James Comey

The same could be said about hiring Bannon to play a permanent role in the whitehouse. Winning a campaign is a bare-knuckles game and using someone like Bannon to do the dirtywork is fair game. Running the whitehouse like a campaign operation only catering to your base is a grave mistake that continues to sink the Trump presidency.

[kayla.meyer_144]

It’s difficult to choose which dumbest thing is the dumbest, there are so many to choose from & they still keep coming every day.

[100574]

I knew he would be worst than Bush and he proved that from Day 1

Quote from Frumious

It’s difficult to choose which dumbest thing is the dumbest, there are so many to choose from & they still keep coming every day.

[ruszja]

Quote from sentinel lymph node

he gets an F on a lot of his job hires–many felt Sessions was not appropriate for AG but he pulled him from secure Alabama seat and has what he has–what do Omarosa and Kelly Ann do–Price bad pick and now may not be able to run for a seat the GOP had to spend millions to keep-Scaramu, Spicer–the list is endless and he continues to employ the 2 most ZERO experience narcissists(JaVanka)

 
Oh, his personnel choices have been awful. He makes it up by handling everything himself 😉