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Trump defends Russian invasion of Afghanistan on same day Putin rewrites history
[link=https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/trump-cabinet-meeting-afghanistan-soviet-union/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/trump-cabinet-meeting-afghanistan-soviet-union/index.html[/link]
During his freewheeling, 90-minute cabinet meeting Wednesday, President Donald Trump briefly argued that the Soviet Union “was right” to invade Afghanistan in 1979 because “terrorists were going into Russia,” a head-scratching aside that was widely criticized as historically inaccurate.
“Russia used to be the Soviet Union. Afghanistan made it Russia because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia. So you take a look at other countries. Pakistan is there. They should be fighting,” Trump said.
“But Russia should be fighting. The reason Russia was in, in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt. They went into being called Russia again as opposed to the Soviet Union,” he added.
[url=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-just-endorsed-ussrs-invasion-afghanistan/579361/]Why Is Trump Spouting Russian Propaganda?[/b] The presidents endorsement of the U.S.S.R.s invasion of Afghanistan echoes a narrative promoted by Vladimir Putin.[/url]
Its amazing enough that any U.S. president would retrospectively endorse the Soviet invasion. Whats even more amazing is that he would do so [i]using the very same falsehoods originally invoked by the Soviets themselves: terrorists and bandit elements.[/i]
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It has been an important ideological project of the Putin regime to rehabilitate and justify the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Putin does not care so much about Afghanistan, but he cares a lot about the image of the U.S.S.R.
As of mid-morning on January 3, the day after the presidents repetition of Soviet-Putinist propaganda in the Cabinet room, there has been no attempt by the White House to tidy things up: no presidential tweet, no corrective statement. The presidents usual defendersSean Hannity, [i]Fox & Friends[/i], the anti-anti-Trump Twitter chorushave likewise ignored the whole matter. Theyre back to denouncing the Steele dossier, fulminating against Mueller, and reprising the Clinton-email drama. Theres apparently nothing they can think of to say in exoneration or excuse.
Putin-style glorification of the Soviet regime is entering the mind of the president, inspiring his words andwho knowsperhaps shaping his actions. How that propaganda is reaching himby which channels, via which personsseems an important if not urgent question. But maybe what happened yesterday does not raise questions. Maybe it inadvertently reveals answers.
Freaking crazy! ( I could have put this in the “Russian Agent” thread, but it feels big enough and different enough to get its own ) -
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Wow. Talk about stupid. & his stupider followers.
Where is McCarthy when we need him?
& where is Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society when you need him? That idiot thought Eisenhower was a Red plant. Little did he realize his followers would install a real Muscovian Candidate as POTUS in 2016!
As Forrest Gump taught us, Stupid is as stupid does.
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Even the hippy, Antifa, Commies at the [b]Wall Street Journal[/b] are disgusted at Trump parroting Putin’s revisionist history talking points
President Trumps remarks on Afghanistan at his Cabinet meeting Wednesday were a notable event. They will be criticized heavily, and deservedly so.
This mockery is a slander against every ally that has supported the U.S. effort in Afghanistan with troops who fought and often died.
As reprehensible was Mr. Trumps utterly false narrative of the Soviet Unions involvement there in the 1980s. He said: The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there.
[b]Right to be there? We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December 1979 to prop up a fellow communist government.[/b]
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Even?
The as I said above, McCarthy’s & Welch’s party are now the Commies who love Putin.-
I really like how Trump gets the establishment riled up. It is obvious that he couldnt care less about Afghanistan or Soviet Union. But he is clearly different from the likes of romney and McCain And Osama. Too bad some people really believe some of the bullshit in msm that clearly has an agenda against him.
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The establishment likes to mix truths with horrendous lies. Most of the lies are not even a cause for controversy on sites like Wikipedia.
Fact: ussr invaded afganistan to overthrow a legitimate monarchy and to establish a commie banana republic.
Myth: Putin is proud of Afghanistan invasion. Why would he be??
Myth: USA supported freedom fighters in Afghanistan.
Truth: USA supported the likes of Osama.
Myth: Trump’s wife is an escort.
Truth: bill Clinton was on the Epstein pedo plane.
Myth: USA invaded serbia to bring peace and spread democracy in central Europe-
And what do those factoids have to do with anything useful?
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Wow,
I actually agree with something Trump said.
Trump is right.
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan to prop up the secular communist government and keep Afghanistan out of the hands of the likes of the Taliban.
The U.S. pursued a very misguided policy by backing the mujahedeen in the 1980s.
Had the Marxists prevailed, there likely would have been no 9/11 attack, and Afghanistan would never have been taken over by the Taliban.
It would have been a secular more modern state with full equality for women.
And it would have eventually transitioned to a market socialist democracy so all would have been well in the end.
This post is dedicated to all the victims of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS in Afghanistan – none of these terrorist vipers would have existed had we just let the Soviets do what needed to be done in the 1980s.
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Alternate history. what if the South had won?
So it is all H. W. Bush’s fault. First for arming the Afghanis against theSoviet invasion & 2nd for stopping Saddam & then for installing American military bases in Saudi Arabia, not knowing it would make bin Laden upset.
First problem, 20/20 hindsight for something that happened almost 30 years ago, as if Bush could have seen the consequences and prevented it all.
Second, let me guess, Trump was always against Desert Storm like he was always against Bush II Iraq II.
We need to be careful when selecting wars including proxy wars. Wars have consequences.-
Trump just called his intelligence people “Naive!”
President Trump pushed back on Wednesday against [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/us/politics/kim-jong-trump.html?module=inline]his intelligence chiefs national security assessments[/link], saying that the Intelligence people seem to be extremely passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of Iran, and defended his own, more positive appraisals of the threats North Korea and the Islamic State pose to the United States.
Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school, [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090609577006112769]Mr. Trump said on Twitter[/link].
The Intelligence people seem to be extremely passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of Iran. They are wrong! When I became President Iran was making trouble all over the Middle East, and beyond. Since ending the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal, they are MUCH different, but….
Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090608298343190528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]January 30, 2019[/link]
In a series of posts the day after senior American intelligence officials briefed Congress and directly contradicted some of Mr. Trumps rosier estimations, the president reasserted his own conclusions and trumpeted his accomplishments on critical national security matters. He said that the Islamic States control in parts of Iraq and Syria [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090571586778923008]will soon be destroyed[/link] and that there was a [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090573972306038784]decent chance of Denuclearization[/link] in North Korea.
On Tuesday, top intelligence officials described a different Iran than the president has, one that is not currently trying to make a nuclear bomb and appears to be complying with a 2015 nuclear agreement, even after Mr. Trump promised last year to withdraw from it.
On Syria, intelligence officials said the Islamic State would go on to stoke violence with thousands of fighters there and in Iraq, and with 12 networks around the world. They also said North Korea was not likely to permanently shed its nuclear weapons contradicting a prediction Mr. Trump has made based on what he has called the best relationship the two nations have ever had.
What do intelligence people know? Nothing. The President who reads nothing knows better. Fox & Friends informs him of all he needs to know.
The Intelligence people seem to be extremely passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of Iran. They are wrong! When I became President Iran was making trouble all over the Middle East, and beyond. Since ending the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal, they are MUCH different, but....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 30, 2019
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And what do those factoids have to do with anything useful?
You have to have some semblance of gripping reality or even a cursory knowledge of history for us to explain such things to you. You don’t even understand 1 point of Tea’s post, which is why all we see is emotion from you — you simply don’t know anything of real life value or usefulness regarding politics. I hope you’re a good doctor, at least. I can forgive foolishness on the board, since it means zero and just makes you feel less anxious due to your Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Did I mention the DOW was up 400+ points today? I wonder why you didn’t post on that :LOLOLOL
How convenient reality is for you, and kpack, Frumi.-
Not sure this is a good deal. A more peaceful and civilized Taliban?
[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-taliban-idUSKBN20N06R]https://www.reuters.com/a…-taliban-idUSKBN20N06R[/link]
Also John Bolton I saw tweeted this was an Obama style deal. When the heck did Obama sign a deal with the Taliban.
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[b]Taliban Do Not Intend to Honor Trump Peace Deal[/b][/h1]
The U.S. government has collected persuasive intelligence that the Taliban do not intend to honor the promises they have made in the recently signed deal with the United States, three American officials tell [link=https://nbcnews.to/32VD62Z]NBC News[/link], undercutting what has been days of hopeful talk by President Donald Trump and his top aides.-
A peaceful Taliban? INtending to keep its promises not to fight?
An oxymoron.
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I dont think theres an easy way out.
– we could leave and let the country do its own thing. Not sure how that works out. I always here about how we train their forces. Let them fight it out or I guess the Taliban takes back over.
– we stay and keep plodding along.
– kill all the Taliban and let allah sort them out. But even that probably wouldnt work.
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Yes, no easy way. Also wasted a lot on Iraq.
Between religious fanatic fundamentalists & corruption with weak govt but people resent occupiers, seeming impossible solution.
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Hard to remember that Afghanistan used to be much more progressive with no religious fundamentalism oppressing people. That was before Russian occupation. & then we armed & trained Mujahadeen To fight Russians & then they oppressed country with imported Saudi fundamentalism.
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Starts with Saudis
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I dont think theres an easy way out.
– we could leave and let the country do its own thing. Not sure how that works out. I always here about how we train their forces. Let them fight it out or I guess the Taliban takes back over.
– we stay and keep plodding along.
– kill all the Taliban and let allah sort them out. But even that probably wouldnt work.
Guess we’re going to try Door #1
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I really like how Trump gets the establishment riled up. It is obvious that he couldnt care less about Afghanistan or Soviet Union. But he is clearly different from the likes of romney and McCain And Osama. Too bad some people really believe some of the **** in msm that clearly has an agenda against him.
Another sane poster pops up to counteract the hysterically deranged and frequent posters on AM Off topic Pol. Kudos. Refreshing that another tries to give these lemmings a dose of reality. CNN just knew the FBI was going to raid Stone too, I’m sure no one tipped them off in the middle of the night.
Fake News abounds. Now our own government entities participate in it. Sad.
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Wow,
I actually agree with something Trump said.
Trump is right.
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan to prop up the secular communist government and keep Afghanistan out of the hands of the likes of the Taliban.
The U.S. pursued a very misguided policy by backing the mujahedeen in the 1980s.
Had the Marxists prevailed, there likely would have been no 9/11 attack, and Afghanistan would never have been taken over by the Taliban.
It would have been a secular more modern state with full equality for women.
And it would have eventually transitioned to a market socialist democracy so all would have been well in the end.
This post is dedicated to all the victims of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS in Afghanistan – none of these terrorist vipers would have existed had we just let the Soviets do what needed to be done in the 1980s.
At least SadRad is showing here he can think for himself. Another refreshing post, even if one doesn’t agree. A novel thought, breaking the mold. Maybe the Frumi/kpack/dergon lemming show is crumbling … -
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-operation-targeted-coalition-troops-in-afghanistan-intelligence-finds/2020/06/26/ac710092-b80f-11ea-9b0f-c797548c1154_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-operation-targeted-coalition-troops-in-afghanistan-intelligence-finds/2020/06/26/ac710092-b80f-11ea-9b0f-c797548c1154_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter[/link]
[h1]Russian operation targeted coalition troops in Afghanistan by offering bounties[/h1] …What will the Trump response be:
New sanctions? Nyet.
Strongly-worded diplomatic cables? Nyet.
Pushing to readmit Russia to the G8? Da!-
[link=https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia]https://www.npr.org/2018/…oughest-ever-on-russia[/link]
[link=https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/]https://www.brookings.edu…ons-actions-on-russia/[/link]
[link=https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/despite-thug-hugs-trump-is-tougher-on-despots-than-obama/]https://nypost.com/2019/0…on-despots-than-obama/[/link]
Etc.
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In March trump was briefed that Russians were paying Afghans to murder US troops. He also fired the DNI and gutted the national counterterrorism center in March. Oh, and for the first time since 2006, the DNI threat report was kept from the public & congress. In March.
April 18: “I have a very good relationship with Putin.”
May 8, Trump on Russia: “We have this great friendship. And, by the way, getting along with Russia is a great thing.”
May 30: Trump calls for allies to let Russia back into G7.-
I’m pretty sure I listened to 8 years of Obama, Hillary, et al. wanting to have a good relationship with Russia, even having a “reset” button at one point. Heck, even Romney was made fun of by Dems and media just for suggesting Russia was still an enemy.
Which is it, Dergon? Do you want Russia to be a pure enemy, a friend, or something in between? (serious question).-
False equivalence. Pre-Crimea, pre-Russian electoral interference, pre-state sponsored assassinations of media and political challengers, …
pre paid bounties on American soldiers.
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Liz Cheney shows that there might be some GOP push on this story: “If reporting about Russian bounties on US forces is true, the White House must explain: 1. Why werent the president or vice president briefed?” Was the info in the PDB? 2. Who did know and when? 3. What has been done in response to protect our forces & hold Putin accountable?”-
Oh come on. That’s a cop out. Russia/soviet union has done things equally as bad as those for decades. Crimea and election interference happened under Obama also, and there was minimal peep about both at the time as far as blame toward Obama. You think Trump would have let Putin take Crimea? Obama did. You think Trump would have gotten hammered x1000 by the media if he let Russia take Crimea? Yep.
All that aside, I’m seriously asking you what you want with Russia today. Do you want to move toward better relations, knowing China is on the rise/enemy no. 1 and the EU is weak, or do you want to label them as an enemy and stay down that path? I’m not advocating for either, I’m genuinely curious what you think.-
Today the US government should be moving to make Russia a global pariah state so long as Putin remains a de facto dictator.
We do that through sanctions, by supporting global democracies, strengthening our alliances with those democracies, particularly in Europe, increasing our participation in and support for global institutions.
We should be moving to re-create a 21st century order in which the world’s democracies make the rules of trade … join the TPP etc.
That said, just like every other nation, if we can influence their behavior and find places where our interests align, then we can slowly reward that behavior by lifting sanctions and being more welcoming of Russia in the future.
It’s just realpolitik. They’re an adversary and need to be treated like one until they stop acting like one.-
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Today the US government should be moving to make Russia a global pariah state so long as Putin remains a de facto dictator.
We do that through sanctions, by supporting global democracies, strengthening our alliances with those democracies, particularly in Europe, increasing our participation in and support for global institutions.
We should be moving to re-create a 21st century order in which the world’s democracies make the rules of trade … join the TPP etc.
That said, just like every other nation, if we can influence their behavior and find places where our interests align, then we can slowly reward that behavior by lifting sanctions and being more welcoming of Russia in the future.
It’s just realpolitik. They’re an adversary and need to be treated like one until they stop acting like one.
I actually agree with all of that. I do think they can be valuable against China though if we treat them right. I don’t think Russia wants to side with China on anything but we force them to. Putin will only respond to aggressive responses similar to Iran. We saw how Iran backed down after the general’s assassination. Something equally as aggressive should have been done at the time of Crimea. The facts are that Russia is a slowing dying country that is trying to have its “last gasp” and we should be applying pressure. The longer we wait on Russia and China, the more likely they destroy us.
You can call Trump’s Presidency a failure in a number of ways, but at least he got us all to focus on China and really cause China some actual pain. There’s no question that they want to be no. 1 and attain that through our destruction. They’ve been getting away with unfair trading practices, intellectual theft, and military malfeasance for decades and at least Trump did [i]something.[/i]-
Now I’ll give you the hypothetical. Giving the Trump the benefit of the doubt that he wasn’t briefed (I don’t buy that BS for a minute … but let’s pretend for now) –
What should the US government response to Russia be for paying Afghans to take bounties on US soldiers?-
Good question. I’ve actually been wondering that myself.
I’m not privy to all of the sanctions that are currently out there but certainly some hard-hitting ones should be on the table if they aren’t already.
There should definitely be a public denunciation of it and Putin by Trump (not pompeo or pence). Trump should also use it as another area of leverage with the EU allies to get them to administer sanctions as well.
I would start with that and focus on further crippling Russia’s economy. Depending upon Putin’s reponse, moving a carrier group into the baltic sea and/or moving more troops into Poland would be a start down the military path.
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The premise of this thread is all whack.
1. Russia paid mercenaries to kill GIs. I don’t see how anywhere Trump condoned that which this news and dergon implies.
2. Trump is wrong on some things. I know dergon suffers from TDS but it doesn’t mean his supporters agrre with everything he does
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Even if the President and VP were not briefed – which seems doubtful – then two things should be happening right now: (1) firings / resignations of White House staff who failed and (2) immediate, unequivocal action by the President condemning Russia.
If those things don’t happen quickly then there is a good chance that the WH story is bullsh*t and Trump heard it and didn’t care-
Would need more information regarding 1) but someone should be “in trouble” if he truly wasn’t briefed. 2) definitely needs to happen.
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Apparently the WH, Russia, and even Taliban are all denying this ever happened.
One or all are lying. It’s NYT news so must be true. Frumy says so.
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First, the WH has not yet denied the substance of the report, only that Trump was briefed on it.
Second, of course Russia and the Taliban would deny.
There is nothing public thus far to suggest that the account as presented is incorrect.
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Breaking follow-up story in NYT:
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/us/politics/russian-bounties-warnings-trump.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/us/politics/russian-bounties-warnings-trump.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
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Spies and Commandos Warned Months Ago of Russian Bounties on U.S. Troops[/h1] The recovery of large amounts of American cash at a Taliban outpost in Afghanistan tipped off U.S. officials.United States intelligence officers and Special Operations forces in Afghanistan alerted their superiors as early as January to a suspected Russian plot to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan, according to officials briefed on the matter.
The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.
Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties since early last year to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/world/asia/us-taliban-deal.html]agreement[/link] to end the long-running war in Afghanistan.
The emerging details added to the picture of the classified intelligence assessment, which The New York Times [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html]reported[/link] on Friday was briefed to President Trump and discussed by the White Houses National Security Council at an interagency meeting in late March. The Trump administration had yet to act against the Russians, the officials said.[/QUOTE]
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NYT also claims : WAS INCLUDED IN THE PRESIDENTS DAILY BRIEF.
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He did not read that part because the briefing said nothing flattering about him
[b]IN BIG BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS![/b]-
I am sure the Trump administration is taking swift action to address this problem …
By moving the PDB with info onto a classified server
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We should wait on this one. Both sides (Trump and NYT) have been known to be liars these past few years.
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Lol Im going to go out on a limb and say that this is BS. I havent read the story but Im going to guess:
– its an anonymous source
– no corroboration
– the anonymous source, who the NYT will never name, is the only one in the room where the alleged massive event took place who remembers anything about said massive event
– Russia Russia RUSSIA
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We should wait on this one.
Yep. There’s a good chance this requires testimony under oath to get to the bottom of.
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I see the russians are doing a good job at interfering in a US election again.
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I see the russians are doing a good job at interfering in a US election again.
All of our adversaries know how easy it is to manipulate our media.
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Per Catherine Herridge at CBS news:
A senior intel official tells @CBSNews the GRU/Taliban bounty allegations were not contained in the President’s Daily Brief (PDB) which is the highly classified, daily summary of national security issues delivered to the President, key cabinet secretaries + advisers.
The official confirmed the NSC has been doing due diligence, and going back through their files since the story broke Friday, and they have not found the intelligence assessment described in media reporting. The official said the review is ongoing, but given current talks with the Taliban, intel about a GRU operation involving the Taliban, targeting US forces would have risen to the level of inclusion in the PDB.
Lol, trash NYT. Poor dergon, probably paying money for a subscription.
The story is safely debunked.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506001-pompeo-called-before-house-panel-over-russian-bounty-claims]Pompeo called before House panel over Russian bounty claims[/link]
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So did this Russian bounty amount to anything?
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Or does this story die quietly, and we all continue believing it happened when it actually didn’t?
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Wapo confirms bounty story
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-bounties-to-taliban-linked-militants-resulted-in-deaths-of-us-troops-according-to-intelligence-assessments/2020/06/28/74ffaec2-b96a-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…0ece9a701dc_story.html[/link]
And… weve been through this before …administration denials do not mean debunked
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Did you read the article?
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I still say we should wait. NTY and WaPo have been wrong a lot and wrong together a lot lately, especially when Trump is involved.
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I would offer a $10 bet, but Dergon hasnt paid off his last one on the NYT yet.
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AP reporting that US intelligence look back at incidents, including a bombing in April 2019 and “green on blue” attacks to see if they were part of the Russia bounty program.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/nancy-pelosi-demands-briefing-russian-bounties-344219]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/nancy-pelosi-demands-briefing-russian-bounties-344219[/link]
White House will brief Republicans (and apparently only Republicans at this time) on Russian troop murder bounty program.
I expect to see a massive coordination of GOP talking points unleashed just in time for Hannity and Tucker tonight.-
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I expect to see a massive coordination of GOP talking points unleashed just in time for Hannity and Tucker tonight.
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CNN and MSNBC receive “directives” from the DNC?
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Kayleigh wont say whether the material was in the PDB, only that the president wasnt personally briefed on the matter
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Kayleigh wont say whether the material was in the PDB, only that the president wasnt personally briefed on the matter
‘Bin Laden determined to strike in the US’.
With 43, it had to be in comic format, for 45 the PDB needs to be read by a FNC host.
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Some high level NSC person should fall on his sword and resign, apologizing for failing to highlight it to the President in the appropriate manner.
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CNN backs up NYT story …. Russia bounty plot was included in PDB some time in the Spring
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So now the threat wasnt credible …
But it was credible enough to brief the UK?
“London, are you on the line? Have we got a story to tell you! Absolutely incredible. I mean, it is not to be believed. Literally, not to be believed. In fact, I don’t even know why we’re calling you, because it’s just so darned incredible. You’re not going to believe it when we tell you. So, anyway, we hear that the Russians have paid the Taliban to . . . “
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Well if CNN and the NYT confirm the story……..
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CNN and MSNBC receive “directives” from the DNC?
Uh, you have proof of that?
Just sit down in an airport bar and watch the crawler on both. The verbatim talking points as distributed by the party will scroll on both. ‘Trump said good morning, national outrage.’
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Really… It’s shown all the time that they all use the same words and phrases. You can’t even admit that?
Ignore Tucker but watch the video portions: [link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urAF4Tx_m3g[/link]
[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42qHhMIXTWc[/link]
They do this all the time lol I don’t even know what else to say.
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So if were to believe the WH-
as of this afternoon Trump has not yet been briefed, but at the same the WH has already briefed congress critters
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More Republicans join in the call for answers:
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) – Ive been hearing from military families in Nebraska constantly for the last 36 hours and theyre livid. This is a story about the targeting of American men and women in uniform. This is about putting crosshairs on the backs of people who are fighting for our freedom. This is not about short-term politics.
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/trump-russia-plot-afghanistan.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/u…ghanistan.html[/link]
Officials are now pointing at the exact date Trump received a written briefing on the Russian plot – Feb 27th. The plot was also circulated in a CIA classified compendium called the World Intelligence Review in May. The Russian plot was uncovered in the course of investigating the death of 3 Marines.
It seems pretty clear that Trump didn’t read the written briefing.
Feb 27… coincidentally also the same day that Trump noted US coronavirus cases were 15 going to 0. -
[link=https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1]https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1[/link]
AP is reporting that the written briefing that Trump received and referenced by the NY Times was the at least the [i]second[/i] briefing he got on it.
John Bolton gave an in-person briefing to Trump in March of 2019 that the IC was picking up a rumor of a bounty, and that rumor was more or less bolstered when Seal Team 6 confiscated $500k in US currency from the Taliban a month later and they interrogated the Taliban. The WH is also claiming ignorance on the seizure of US currency
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This is somewhat relevant but not meant to be an excuse to Trump or any President. I have often wondered how 1 person (the President) could possibly be briefed completely on every important even each day regarding the US. We have all had meetings and I’m pretty confident that things like covid would take up most of the day, let alone other briefings, not counting scheduled visits, phone calls/etc. I would be very curious to see how long a normal daily briefing is, if there is some sort of priority list, and how often each day does each President get fully briefed on everything.
We are again calling out something without knowing what it’s actually like. Perhaps Trump totally ignored it and is wrong 100%. Perhaps every President has days where they don’t even look at the briefing. I don’t know.-
“Bin Laden determined to strike the US” in the PDB August 6, 2001 didn’t sink 43.
SUre… the Presidency is a hard job. It’s a lot to take in.
That’s why good presidents surround themselves with competent teams and maintain high functioning governmental apparatuses in order to delegate. — It’s almost as if dismantling the intelligence apparatus and filling it with sycophants, toadies and grifters might be considered a bad idea and a sign of incompetence.
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“Bin Laden determined to strike the US” in the PDB August 6, 2001 didn’t sink 43.
SUre… the Presidency is a hard job. It’s a lot to take in.
That’s why good presidents surround themselves with competent teams and maintain high functioning governmental apparatuses in order to delegate. — It’s almost as if dismantling the intelligence apparatus and filling it with sycophants, toadies and grifters might be considered a bad idea and a sign of incompetence.
You dont need ‘experts’ if you have a natural ability for this intelligence stuff.
But yeah, he should clearly have listened to Bolton and bombed some minor russian city or invaded an uninvolved country to avenge this unconfirmed intelligence report.
‘WWBD?’-
That John Bolton was able to work his way as DNI just because Trump saw him on Fox and he talked tough on TV is in and of itself concerning.
That he was also one of the only people around Trump who had an independent voice (as wrong as it may be) is also concerning.
If Bolton is at the top of the competency list for your intel team then you have made some really, really bad staffing picks.-
Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-TX): We need to get to the bottom of it and we need to do it now. Again, this week before Congress leaves on the Fourth of July.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/505202-gop-senator-russia-should-be-labeled-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-if]https://thehill.com/homen…ponsor-of-terrorism-if[/link]
Tillis: If intel is accurate then Russia should be labelled state sponsor of terrorism
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“Patriots, in and out of uniform, put their lives on the line to gather the information that goes into the Presidents Daily Brief. They do this expecting that he will at least read the damn thing – and use it to protect Americans.” ~Pete Buttigieg
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[link=https://twitter.com/charlie_savage/status/1278015662649114626]https://twitter.com/charlie_savage/status/1278015662649114626[/link]
[link=https://twitter.com/charlie_savage]@charlie_savage[/link]
EXCLUSIVE: Data intercepts showed GRU-to-Taliban $ transfers & a key intermediary fled to Russia, bolstering earlier detainee accounts about a Russian bounty op. Trump WH omitted in its briefing to GOP lawmakers as it downplayed intel as murky/contested.-
WH Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany: “The president does read..
..and he also consumes intelligence verbally. This president, I’ll tell you, is the most informed person on planet Earth when it comes to the threats that we face.”.The president is the most informed person on planet Earth when it comes to the threats that we face.”
on a similar note, after Republicans in Congress were briefed, UK intelligence briefed, Democrats in congress briefed, the White House says Trump has *now* been briefed on the matter.
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Oh … and don’t forget “Fake News” and the “Deep State”
Kayleigh McEnany condemned the NYT at the press briefing today for publishing “unverified” allegations about intelligence on Russian bounties, suggesting that “rogue intelligence officers” are undermining Trump and the country’s security.-
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/30/pompeo-taliban-americans-afghanistan-345722]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/30/pompeo-taliban-americans-afghanistan-345722[/link]
Pompeo calls Taliban to remind them not to attack Americans …. but, you know, the story is still fake news.-
I’m going to look forward to your intense scrutiny and nitpicking of all of bidens mistakes, both real and maybe real.
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I’m going to look forward to your intense scrutiny and nitpicking of all of bidens mistakes, both real and maybe real.
Oh god please, so do i
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I’m holding you to it!
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NBC News confirms the White House and top National Security Council officials learned of the Russian bounty intelligence in early 2019. Person with direct knowledge tells [link=https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews]@JoshNBCNews[/link]
and [link=https://twitter.com/carolelee]@carolelee[/link]
, as AP first reported.
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