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Trump Deportation Force
Looks like it’s really ramping up.
Trump has signed executive orders making all crimes (a well as [i]suspicion[/i] of a crime) deportable offenses. He is looking to hire 10,000 more border guards for an agency that already has some of the highest staffing levels in the federal government. He has directed that hiring to be expedited as quickly as possible.
There have been ICE raids on workplaces.
Immigration officials have camped out outside of hypothermia church shelters to query exiting Latinos.
ICE is said to be asking for documents for people disembarking [i]domestic[/i] flights inside the US.
And this beauty: [link=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-immigration-agents-hospital-seizure-20170223-story.html]Federal agent move critically ill woman awaiting surgery to an immigration detention center[/link]A critically ill woman from El Salvador who was awaiting emergency surgery for a brain tumor was forcibly moved from a Texas hospital to a detention center by federal agents, raising concerns about President Trumps directive to more aggressively pursue people living in the country illegally.
Sara Beltran-Hernandez, 26, a mother of two young children, was bound by her hands and feet and removed by wheelchair from Huguley Hospital in Fort Worth late Wednesday by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents who brought her to a detention facility in Alvarado, Texas.
It is heartbreaking and inhumane, said Chris Hamilton, a Texas lawyer who tried to visit the woman Wednesday night at the detention center, where he was threatened with arrest for trespassing.
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Welcome to the Police State of Trump.
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I guess I’m not sure what to expect. Some people have come over the border illegally and stayed. Some people have arrived with visas and have overstayed their visa. So he wants to clean house. How else can you do it other than picking people up and deporting them? The only way I can think is giving people a path to citizenship but it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen. We need some wholesale change on the process to immigrate and become a citizen. Create that door he talks about.
Now the person waiting on surgery, needs some care, we should probably not be yanking people out of hospital beds.
We’re already a police state. There’s no such thing as privacy. Even local police have the gear to monitor cell phones and track people. You’ve probably even seen police cars now have cameras that track your license plate.
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Quote from dergon
Looks like it’s really ramping up.
Trump has signed executive orders making all crimes (a well as [i]suspicion[/i] of a crime) deportable offenses. He is looking to hire 10,000 more border guards for an agency that already has some of the highest staffing levels in the federal government. He has directed that hiring to be expedited as quickly as possible.
You are again falling victim to the misreporting of the biased press. Nobody gets deported based on a suspected crime, they get deported because they have final orders of removal or lack the required documents to be in this country. That has been the law of the land since 1986, it is just that administrations have chosen not to enforce the law.ICE is said to be asking for documents for people disembarking [i]domestic[/i] flights inside the US.
The law allows a CBP or ICE officer to inspect any ‘conveyance’ for the presence of uninspected aliens. There is no requirement for this vessel/vehicle/plane to have crossed a border. Dont like it, change the law. Under Obama, CBP aero-marine operations was harassing private plane owners on a regular basis, it was just ignored by the press because it didn’t fit a narrative.
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You are again falling victim to the misreporting of the biased press. Nobody gets deported based on a suspected crime, they get deported because they have final orders of removal or lack the required documents to be in this country. That has been the law of the land since 1986, it is just that administrations have chosen not to enforce the law.
No I am not.
The executive order specifically allows agents to initiate deportation upon “committing acts which constitute a criminal offense”. That allows the agent to be officer, judge and jury, allowing only his/her judgment, without oversight of any judge or superior or agency or body, to determine criminality.
It also specifically allows deportation based on “in the judgement of an immigration officer …pose a risk to public safety or national security.”-
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You are again falling victim to the misreporting of the biased press. Nobody gets deported based on a suspected crime, they get deported because they have final orders of removal or lack the required documents to be in this country. That has been the law of the land since 1986, it is just that administrations have chosen not to enforce the law.
No I am not.
The executive order specifically allows agents to initiate deportation upon “committing acts which constitute a criminal offense”. That allows the agent to be officer, judge and jury, allowing only his/her judgment, without oversight of any judge or superior or agency or body, to determine criminality.
It also specifically allows deportation based on “in the judgement of an immigration officer …pose a risk to public safety or national security.”
There still has to be a legal basis for the deportation. Overystayed visa, no visa at all, existing removal orders, skipped on a immigration bond, skipped after having agreed to voluntary departure etc.
The only change is that under the Obama rules, the service would only go through the process of actually removing someone if the contact with law enforcement was due to a short list of reasons like violent felonies etc. Now any time an illegal comes in contact with the immigration service, they can be removed. That is not new, it has been in law and regulation since at least the 80s.-
So then WTF is “Expedited Deportation?”
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In Trump’s mind expedited deportation is probably one or two things. A Circus style cannon that can a launch a body back over the border. Or possibly a catapult/trebuchet.
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This is what happens when people are so derelict in their duties
Laws mean less and less because they’ve been ignored for so long
Repercussions on non-elites grow because of derelection of duty, people wonder what’s the point of “being American” anymore, and they actively start supporting what seems to be “crazy” which is actually just what a sane country does = enforce its laws
the left will keep losing because their positions make no sense. To make sense you have to realize what is really going in the country, not your small elite circles or within an indoctrinated everyone thinks the same university type setting
open your eyes
you think you’re winning but you keep losing, and you will continue to keep losing because you don’t live in reality
everyone is the bogeyman to you, but in reality people are just the same people fed up with being lied to and taken advantage of
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Personally I want to see Trump start doing things
I’m getting nauseated hearing the B S lies about the media being the enemy and out to get him ….. Or how his version of the news is real but other versions are fake…and how he is going to do this and it will all be wonderful and how if you don’t think he is great you are very bad and stupid
Time for Donald to actually do some things except beatchin and complain about how bad things are
It’s easier to beatch than to actually do stuff that works
Time for Trump to put up or shut up
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And after all the Hispanics and mexicans get kicked out……. I want to see all those unemployed rust belt oxy contin and heroin addicted people who voted for trump take all those jobs that the illegals are supposedly taking up today
Maybe unemployment will be fixed when the unicorns and rainbows show up
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amen
and all the over stayed visa people from Canada, Germany etc-need to go tooQuote from kpack123
And after all the Hispanics and mexicans get kicked out……. I want to see all those unemployed rust belt oxy contin and heroin addicted people who voted for trump take all those jobs that the illegals are supposedly taking up today
Maybe unemployment will be fixed when the unicorns and rainbows show up
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No, most of the over-stayed visas from Canada & Germany are owned by people who look European so it’s OK. Just a minor technicality.
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Just for context, I am actually in favor of the following changes to immigration law:
– remove the 3/10 year ban under INA 212(a)(9)(B). Replace it with a fine but allow federal taxes paid during the period of unlawful presence to be credited against the fine. Make the fine payable over a period of 5 years.
– change the rules for form I140 in a way that waives the requirement for labor certification if a petitioner can show that the worker has already worked in this position for a period of 2 years. Require a labor condition application to certify that the wages paid are in line with the prevailing wage for the area.
– change the rules for form I485 in way that allows someone to adjust status even if they have periods of unlawful presence (basically revert to the status before 3/25/2001 when a law signed by president Clinton eliminated this opportunity).
– change the chargeability of visa numbers for individuals already in the country in a way that they dont count against the existing EB-2/EB-3 quotas. Without that change, you would disadvantage those who are ‘waiting their turn’ while remaining abroad.
– introduce a budget mechanism where the user fees paid by the adjustees under these provisions are used to pay for the additional staff necessary to process these addtional applications. If you dont do this, this would harm those who are ‘waiting their turn’ while on a work visa in the country or abroad..
– eliminate most of the family based immigration categories.
– require universal E-verify and fix the glitches that exist with the system at this time. Even out in some strawberry field you have cellular coverage to verify the paperwork on the laborers hired in the field.
– change regulations on the housecleaning, office-cleaning, construction and farming industries to require e-verify for contractors and subcontractors.
But as long as we have the laws on the books we should enforce them. To make entire categories of people exempt from the law by administrative fiat is corrosive to the rule of law. If we think that a law unjust, there is a mechanism to change it. That mechanism is not executive order or administrative non-enforcement, that mechanism involves a vote in the house, a vote in the senate and a signature from the president. -
Not being picayune but the reality is that we have very many laws on the books that aren’t and shouldn’t be enforced. It is not corruption to not enforce bad laws or laws that have lost usefulness or weren’t correct in the 1st place. Yes, we should remove bad laws but we don’t. That doesn’t mean they should be blindly enforced just because they still exist & haven’t been removed from the books.
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Not being picayune but the reality is that we have very many laws on the books that aren’t and shouldn’t be enforced. It is not corruption to not enforce bad laws or laws that have lost usefulness or weren’t correct in the 1st place. Yes, we should remove bad laws but we don’t. That doesn’t mean they should be blindly enforced just because they still exist & haven’t been removed from the books.
[link=http://www.dumblaws.com/]http://www.dumblaws.com/[/link]
this is why people like frumi are so dangerous
the US president pledges to uphold the constitution and execute the laws
here’s where logic and reasoning always get them
when you just do anything you want and not according to a standard, the whole thing becomes a sham
just like when you lose power, but you did anything you wanted to, because by subjective judgments (yours, Obama’s, anyone) and not according to the law you ruled
you set up the here and now where actually enforcing things is “weird” or (other name) or someone else you don’t like doing things you don’t like is decried
but you started it
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Not being picayune but the reality is that we have very many laws on the books that aren’t and shouldn’t be enforced. It is not corruption to not enforce bad laws or laws that have lost usefulness or weren’t correct in the 1st place. Yes, we should remove bad laws but we don’t. That doesn’t mean they should be blindly enforced just because they still exist & haven’t been removed from the books.
[link=http://www.dumblaws.com/]http://www.dumblaws.com/[/link]
There is a difference between a law that has become quaint (safety standards for buggy-whips) and a law that we disagree with.
The current immigration laws are that way because congress passed them with the intent of curbing illegal immigration (eliminating the registry, eliminating adjustment with periods of unlawful presence, requirement to process abroad). These laws can be changed and both Bush II and Obama had the opportunity to do so but didn’t. Now we have Trump and we’ll just have to accept that he will enforce the less than optimal laws we have on the books. Dont like the law, elect people willing to change it. It’s not that hard.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
In Trump’s mind expedited deportation is probably one or two things. A Circus style cannon that can a launch a body back over the border. Or possibly a catapult/trebuchet.
I know there is a mexican welder who can build it:
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In Trump’s mind expedited deportation is probably one or two things. A Circus style cannon that can a launch a body back over the border. Or possibly a catapult/trebuchet.
I know there is a mexican welder who can build it:
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I want to see what that’s attached to. It looks like a spring loaded Mexi-pult for launching people to this side of the border.-
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I want to see what that’s attached to. It looks like a spring loaded Mexi-pult for launching people to this side of the border.
Ironically, this was bolted right to the border wall.
A wall alone is just a waste of concrete. The east germans demonstrated how to do it right if you want stop border crossers. All you need is dogs, concertina wire, anti-personnel mines and snipers with shoot to kill orders. Not sure we really want that.-
remember this
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saw this on the internet
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Mohammed Ali son detained for 2 hours at Florida airport—reportedly asked if he was Muslim
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saw this on the internet
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How much money will deporting so many millions cost?
The Migration Policy Institute [link=http://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/us-spends-more-immigration-enforcement-fbi-dea-secret-service-all-other-federal-criminal-law]reported[/link] in 2013 that the federal government spends more each year on immigration enforcement through Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Border Patrol than on all other federal law enforcement agencies combined. The total has risen to more than $19 billion a year, and more than $306 billion in all since 1986, measured in 2016 dollars. This exceeds the sum of all spending for the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Secret Service; the Marshals Service; and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
So “criminals” who are criminals just because they walked across a border line get more funding than even the FBI, DEA the Secret Service & Marshall’s services and BATFE! Aren’t these the departments who go after actually real criminals who actually commit real violent crimes? And yet they are underfunded by comparison and ICE is supposed to get a new injection of more $ 10,000 new agents? And then there’s the Wall’s cost. Something we’ve tried before & that has cost expensive problems that didn’t solve the problem.
And then there’s the impact of deporting all these millions of people and children, many of whom only know America. What will happen to the economy? Will the GDP increase? Will wages increase? Will everything be unicorns and rainbows?
We we can assume wages will not increase as this has been anathema to Republicans for decades & they will oppose that as much as possible. Trickle-down supply-side is still their solution to everything. Rob the poor of wages & give the stolen proceeds to the 1% so that some of the $ will be returned & “trickled-down.” There is a reason is called “trickle-down” because the faucet only drips at best.
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Speaking of deportation force….how does this shake out? What are the logistics of kicking out 200k people.
200,000 people from El Salvador lose temporary protection and have to leave. Plus possibly even more as protected status ends for other groups.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/salvadorans-tps-end.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…lvadorans-tps-end.html[/link] -
When is the Statue of Liberty coming down to be melted down for scrap? It certainly does not represent the Republican idea of America.
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Ugh …. We need that labor force growth and population … not to mention the human disruption it will cause.
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Speaking of deportation force….how does this shake out? What are the logistics of kicking out 200k people.
200,000 people from El Salvador lose temporary protection and have to leave. Plus possibly even more as protected status ends for other groups.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/salvadorans-tps-end.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…lvadorans-tps-end.html[/link]
An end to ones TPS does not equal an automatic deportation order. It just means that one can’t extend their employment authorization document and to continue in a legal status.
TPS was granted to the central americans based on hurricane Mitch and the 2001 Salvadoran earthquake. How long do you think a temporary reprieve based on natural disaster should last ?
Effectively, TPS has allowed the central Americans to jump the queue over many legal immigrants from places like India and China who are sitting in their home country waiting for a visa number to become current (takes up to 25 years). The ‘T’ stands for temporary. This was a humanitarian measure never meant as a tool toward immigration into the US. -
I understand it’s meant to be temporary but you mention 2001 Salvador earthquake. That means some of these people have been here for 16 years. Where does that leave us if they aren’t immediately removed but can’t work? Do charities pick up the tab? Do they get welfare?
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How much money will deporting so many millions cost?
Oh, now Leftists are concerned about cost. All those trillions run up during Obama’s reign? *whistles nonchalantly*Quote from Frumious
We we can assume wages will not increase as this has been anathema to Republicans for decades & they will oppose that as much as possible.
Nice try, but wake up and smell the Trumpism. DJT ran on a populist message, and specifically called out the GOP for fueling its perception as the party of the rich.
Trump is an advocate on behalf of the working class. Democrats are advocates on behalf of all non-Americans who want the Sam’s Club membership that is American citizenship. -
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How much money will deporting so many millions cost?
Oh, now Leftists are concerned about cost. All those trillions run up during Obama’s reign? *whistles nonchalantly*
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We we can assume wages will not increase as this has been anathema to Republicans for decades & they will oppose that as much as possible.Nice try, but wake up and smell the Trumpism. DJT ran on a populist message, and specifically called out the GOP for fueling its perception as the party of the rich.
[i][b]Trump is an advocate on behalf of the working class.[/b][/i] Democrats are advocates on behalf of all non-Americans who want the Sam’s Club membership that is American citizenship.
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Exactly–it will always be about HIM
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How much money will deporting so many millions cost?
Oh, now Leftists are concerned about cost. All those trillions run up during Obama’s reign? *whistles nonchalantly*
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We we can assume wages will not increase as this has been anathema to Republicans for decades & they will oppose that as much as possible.Nice try, but wake up and smell the Trumpism. DJT ran on a populist message, and specifically called out the GOP for fueling its perception as the party of the rich.
[i][b]Trump is an advocate on behalf of the working class.[/b][/i] Democrats are advocates on behalf of all non-Americans who want the Sam’s Club membership that is American citizenship.
Trump is an advocate for Trump. Nothing else. He’ll throw his own kids under the bus to save himself, as we shall soon see.
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[b][i]When Washington Rep. Pramila Jayapal, the chair of the House Judiciary Immigration and Citizenship Subcommittee, told Homan his time had expired and banged her gavel to silence him, the former ICE director lost it.
I respect the chairs authority, but the chair You work for me! Homan shot back. Im a taxpayer you work for me.[/i][/b]
[link=https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwzaw/former-ice-director-freaks-out-at-congressional-hearing-im-a-taxpayer-you-work-for-me]https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwzaw/former-ice-director-freaks-out-at-congressional-hearing-im-a-taxpayer-you-work-for-me[/link]
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Um….no.
Mr. Homan, you are before congress because of your role as part of the executive branch and the legislative has constitutional oversight authority over you.
So STFU.
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[b][i]When Washington Rep. Pramila Jayapal, the chair of the House Judiciary Immigration and Citizenship Subcommittee, told Homan his time had expired and banged her gavel to silence him, the former ICE director lost it.
I respect the chairs authority, but the chair You work for me! Homan shot back. Im a taxpayer you work for me.[/i][/b]
[link=https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwzaw/former-ice-director-freaks-out-at-congressional-hearing-im-a-taxpayer-you-work-for-me]https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwzaw/former-ice-director-freaks-out-at-congressional-hearing-im-a-taxpayer-you-work-for-me[/link]
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Um….no.
Mr. Homan, you are before congress because of your role as part of the executive branch and the legislative has constitutional oversight authority over you.So STFU.
But his point was truthful. They don’t like truthful. They don’t do anything. They don’t answer to anyone. And he no longer works for “them”. Does he get a check from “Them?” No. They work for us. She sure banged that Gavel like a mad momma going against her authority. How the gavel has never been hit that hard with Maxine Waters even with diarrhea comes out her mouth non stop. Hmmm, I think the gavel slamming and stare from Jayapal was racists.
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[h2]Appeals court OKs Trump plan to end protected immigration status for 4 countries[/h2]
[b]In 2-1 ruling, 9th Circuit says evidence was lacking that Trumps offensive and disparaging comments about immigrants impacted decisions.[/b]
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[/b]A federal appeals court has effectively greenlighted the Trump administrations plan to expel more than 300,000 undocumented immigrants from El Salvador, Nicaragua and Sudan from the U.S. by ending the temporary protected status they have enjoyed for as long as two decades.
A 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled 2-1 Monday that a federal judge in San Francisco erred in 2018 when he blocked the administrations move to terminate the deportation protections granted to nationals of four countries because of natural disasters, wars or other upheavals in their homelands.
While the 9th Circuits decision also lifted that injunction with respect to unlawful immigrants from Haiti, a New York federal judges injunction preventing Haitians from being deported remains in place.
The Secretarys discretion to make TPS determinations, while not without check, is undoubtedly broad and unique in nature, Judge Consuelo Callahan wrote in the appeals courts majority opinion, joined by Judge Ryan Nelson. The decision to designate any foreign country for TPS begins and ends with the Secretary, so long as certain limited statutory criteria are met.
The appeals court panel also rejected arguments that the moves to end TPS for the four countries at issue was driven by President Donald Trumps alleged racial and anti-immigrant bias demonstrated through a series of inflammatory public comments, including in a January 2018 discussion at which he referred to shithole countries.
Plaintiffs fail to present even serious questions on the merits of their claim that the Secretaries TPS terminations were improperly influenced by the Presidents animus against non-white, non-European immigrants,’ wrote Callahan, an appointee of President George W. Bush. She added that the suit suffered from a glaring lack of evidence tying the Presidents alleged discriminatory intent to the specific TPS terminations.
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How much ‘protected’ status do you need for a hurricane that happened in 1994 and is the disorder in your home country really so terrible if you go back there on family vacations ?
By now, TPS is a scam. I probably agree with nothing else in trumps immigration policy, but ending most of TPS is the right thing to do.
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The law allows a CBP or ICE officer to inspect any ‘conveyance’ for the presence of uninspected aliens. There is no requirement for this vessel/vehicle/plane to have crossed a border. Dont like it, change the law. Under Obama, CBP aero-marine operations was harassing private plane owners on a regular basis, it was just ignored by the press because it didn’t fit a narrative.
fw on a roll just destroying fools around here lately.
Do your opponents honestly not believe that omission is the main tactic to slant news and opinion? It’s so obvious, no matter who you are. These progs are so easily manipulated it’s crazy
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