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Ron Desantis, GOP Governor of Florida, Potential Presidential Candidate
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[b][link=https://nypost.com/2023/03/14/desantis-must-show-leadership-on-issues-like-ukraine-to-be-president/]New York Post editorial[/link] slams Gov. Ron DeSantis for dodging the challenge on Ukraine.
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If [link=https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/biden-got-it-right-the-west-cant-let-putin-win-in-ukraine/]Putin succeeds[/link] in Ukraine, itll show other regimes (China, Iran, etc.) that aggression works.
And Russia itself will look to move on other nations, including NATO allies Americas obliged to defend.
Beating Putin, or even just crippling his war machine, [i]is[/i] defending America.
DeSantis must know that, but hes hedging rather than risk losing voters who dont get it.
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DeSantis hasnt even launched his campaign yet, so he has room to fix this mistake.
But he wont win the GOP nomination by dodging the tough questions.
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[link=https://simonwdc.substack.com/p/the-republicans-have-a-desantis-problem?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email]Simon Rosenberg[/link]:
[h1]The Republicans Have A DeSantis Problem[/h1] [h3]Been A Very Rough Couple of Weeks for the GOP’s Bumbling Golden Boy[/h3]
Perhaps the central insight of [link=https://www.ndn.org/simons-2022-election-analysis]my 2022 election analysis[/link] was that I believed the Republicans had made a huge strategic blunder by running towards a politics – MAGA – which had just been overwhelmingly rejected by the American people in two consecutive high-turnout elections. As far back [link=https://www.ndn.org/3-reasons-why-2022-won%E2%80%99t-be-2010]as late October 2021[/link] I warned that if this anti-MAGA majority came to understand that the GOP was once again all MAGA it would make 2022 far more likely to be a close, competitive election than a red wave. And thats basically what happened.
In the battlegrounds, where our campaigns had the resources to control the information environment and push turnout, [link=https://simonwdc.substack.com/p/memo-the-democratic-party-is-strong-rs-remain-all-maga-cde639ed68db]we outperformed expectations,[/link] and MAGA once again disappointed. Incredibly we gained ground in AZ, CO, GA, MI, MN, NH and PA in 2022. In the battlegrounds MAGA has now failed the GOP in three consecutive elections, not just two. There is deep muscle memory and understanding of the dangers of MAGA in the battleground today. Running and winning as MAGA there will be very hard in 2024.
Ron DeSantis looked at all this and decided to become even more MAGA, super MAGA. Hes moved from a 15 week abortion ban to 6 weeks. Hes sold his Presidential campaign as a war against woke. Hes banning books, removing elected officials from office, mounting unprecedented assaults against undocumented immigrants and punishing businesses which dont agree with his agenda. His response to the Silicon Valley Bank implosion was buffoonish and embarrassing. [link=https://simonwdc.substack.com/p/on-ukraine-desantis-sides-with-putin]He choose Putin[/link] over America and the West. Republican Senators have been dumping on him all week. What in the world he is doing? As someone who has been in this business a long time its not easy to understand.
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The Florida assault on illegals is a joke. Every golf course in Florida would be in terrible shape if there were no illegals doing the work. It wasn’t white people I saw down there working on every single hole keeping the course in shape. Caddies don’t yell hey buddy watch out. It’s cuidado amigo.
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Ive been saying for awhile Desantis would flop
As a national candidateApparently trump came out today blasting Desantis and the Republican legislature in florida for catering to the insurance companies
In Florida our homeowners insurance and our car insurance is the highest in the country and desantis has done nothing but make it worse
The Democratic Party in Florida is incompetent and perhaps trump pointing this out will start to turn the tide
Florida is an unusual state and the republicans have taken advantage of this by playing toward the part time residents who are almost all seniors who live in the state for 3-4 months a year and are real easy to control with the culture war and scare the heck out of message and the Cuban and Central American populations that the socialism message resonates strongly
But Desantis is a total non charismatic slow thinking politician that is very easily rattled
He can only thrive in an environment with no significant opposition and a carefully controlled staged press
He will get crushed nationally
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Id imagine insurance is high. You can lose a home every year due to a hurricane. And driving in Florida is worse than Columbus OH.
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[link=https://www.rawstory.com/florida-gop-lawmaker-who-wrote-dont-say-gay-bill-facing-up-to-35-years-after-pleading-guilty-in-fraud-case/]https://www.rawstory.com/…-guilty-in-fraud-case/[/link]
Florida GOP lawmaker who wrote Dont Say Gay bill facing up to 35 years after pleading guilty in COVID fraud case[/h1] -
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[h1]DeSantis Flip Flops on Ukraine[/h1] [link=https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/desantis-brands-putin-a-war-criminal-who-should-be-held-accountable-for-ukraine-invasion/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow]New York Post[/link]
Gov. Ron DeSantis reversed his stance on Ukraine, saying he believes Vladimir Putin is a war criminal who needs to be held accountable for invading the country.
He added that Russia is basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons.
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[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-donors-allies-question-ready-2024-rcna76246]NBC News[/link]
[h1]Ron DeSantis’ donors and allies question if he’s ready for 2024[/h1] At a recent gathering of 16 prominent Republicans, a number of DeSantis supporters discussed if he should run against Trump or wait until 2028.
A number of the Florida governors donors and allies are worried his recent stumbles suggest he may not be ready for a brutal fight against Donald Trump. Some feel DeSantis needs to accelerate his timeline to run for the GOP presidential nomination and begin directly confronting Trump if he’s to have any chance of thwarting the former presidents momentum. Others believe DeSantis should sidestep Trump altogether and wait until 2028 to run.
…The fears of some of his own supporters, along with a growing sentiment among GOP operatives that Trump may be impossible to defeat even with a possible indictment looming over him present DeSantis with the conundrum of trying to demonstrate that he is a viable presidential candidate before he even launches his anticipated campaign.
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For a governor who prides himself on taking bold stands, and winning on the electoral battlefield, DeSantis has not yet shown the strength that gave some Republicans reason to believe he could compete with Trump.
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[h1]Tim Miller: Ron DeSantis Is Scott Walker
[link=https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bulwark-podcast/id1447684472]The Bulwark Podcast[/link][/h1]
The Walker chatter is around the 12 minute mark.Walker is viewed as the “worst case scenario” for what DeSantis might do. The similarity, according to the Bulwark, is that he didn’t know who he was on a lot of issues and that got him into trouble. He got way out over his skis on immigration … calling to end birthright citizenship and a wall on the Canadian border….
DeSantis doing the same thing on Ukraine. And he gets forced to backtrack… and the right wing eats him up on it. It spooks the donor class when he flips and the NatCon isolationist wing think he’s a phony cuck.
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[b]DeSantis Announcement Still Months Away[/b][/h1]
[link=https://apnews.com/article/desantis-trump-2024-campaign-266dc9affdfaf929712d08320e1d92ff]Associated Press[/link]: DeSantis allies privately scoffed at recent reports of anonymous concerns over the direction of his campaign, noting there is no campaign. The 44-year-old governor isnt expected to launch his White House bid for at least two more months. And the first presidential primary contest is roughly 10 months away. -
[link=https://nhjournal.com/nhgop-chair-says-full-house-will-greet-desantis-at-fundraising-dinner/]NHGOP Chair Says ‘Full House’ Will Greet DeSantis At Fundraising Dinner[/link]
DeSantis dinner tickets not selling? The Florida governors campaign team tough to work with?
Those stories have popped up in the political press recently, but thats not the story in New Hampshire, the states GOP chairman tells NHJournal.
Reports from national political outlets that the party is struggling to sell tickets to the Amos Tuck fundraising dinner featuring Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis simply are not true, said chairman Chris Ager. The event, scheduled for this Friday, is on track to be a major success, with a big crowd in the room and plenty of money in the bank.
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[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-trump-gop-crowd-size-super-pac-2024-presidential-election-2023-4]https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-trump-gop-crowd-size-super-pac-2024-presidential-election-2023-4[/link]
[b]A DeSantis-aligned super PAC will work to build crowds for the Florida governor[/b]
“If you’re DeSantis, you have to desperately avoid the small room with Jeb Bush asking attendees to please clap,” the individual told The Post about the incident, which added to the general feeling that Bush’s campaign was fading to the then-ascendant candidacy of Trump. -
Instead of comparing DeSantis to Scott Walker, Pete Wilson?:
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fslate.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2F2023%2F04%2Fron-desantis-presidential-campaign-reboot.html]Ron DeSantis May Be Getting the Earliest Campaign Reboot Coverage in History[/link]
Remember [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20110219233954%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.buyingofthepresident.org%2Findex.php%2Farchives%2F1996%2F50%2F]Pete Wilson[/link]? Like DeSantis, he was a Yale graduate and military veteran who went to law school and then worked his way up to becoming the Republican governor of a major swing state. (California, in his case, which was still swingin at the time. ) He adopted several trending right-wing causesattacking welfare programs, making affirmative action illegal, and preventing undocumented immigrants from receiving public servicesin what seemed like a play for national attention, then ran for president in 1996.
Or, rather, Wilson [i]wanted[/i] to be running for president in 1996, and began the process of doing so in early 1995but by September of that year, hed already [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Farchive%2Fpolitics%2F1995%2F09%2F30%2Fgov-wilson-quits-presidential-campaign%2Fe1c2bcb9-27f3-433d-b579-e892d4338f63%2F]dropped out[/link]. Mother Jones [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F1995%2F11%2Fcalifornia-schemer-what-you-need-know-about-pete-wilson%2F]wrote at the time[/link] that his notoriously uncharismatic persona had failed to energize a national audience.
Hed spend the rest of his life getting blamed for turning California into a safe Democratic state by alienating middle-of-the-road voters in the service of his personal ambitions. And he never even got a reboot.
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Two protestors crash the stage at a DeSantis event in NH. They chant “Jews against DeSantis”
Reportedly they are representing [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifnotnowmovement.org%2F]https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/[/link] which bills itself as “a movement of American Jews organizing our community to end U.S. support for Israel’s apartheid system and demand equality, justice, and a thriving future for all Palestinians and Israelis.”
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Two protestors crash the stage at a DeSantis event in NH. They chant “Jews against DeSantis”
Reportedly they are representing [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifnotnowmovement.org%2F]https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/[/link] which bills itself as “a movement of American Jews organizing our community to end U.S. support for Israel’s apartheid system and demand equality, justice, and a thriving future for all Palestinians and Israelis.”
Has anyone heard from kpack lately ?-
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F9fa26170-5533-4e0b-a852-238b0ef15118]https://www.ft.com/content/9fa26170-…2-238b0ef15118[/link]
And the DeSantis abortion backlash begins: GOP mega-donor putting support for DeSantis on hold “because of his stance on abortion and book banning” (Peterffy previously told the FT that he was a fan of DeSantis & was “looking forward” to his candidacy)
Peterffy says something not many Republicans are not willing to say out loud: If DeSantis continues to appeal to a far-right base of the Republican party to defeat Trump by banning books and restricting abortion access, the Republicans have a very big problem-
The Republicans are f***** because any candidate has to try and appeal to the far right base in a primary and nobody can do it better than DJT.
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[h3][link=https://washingtonmonthly.com/2023/04/14/why-desantis-should-take-a-pass-on-the-2024-presidential-election/]Why DeSantis Should Take a Pass on 2024[/link][/h3]
The idea that the Florida governor could clinch the GOP nomination by running as a competent, no-drama Donald Trump is fundamentally flawed. Heres why.[b]Dont end up like Chris Christie. [/b]
DeSantis himself, according to a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/24/desantis-trump-2024/][i]Washington Post[/i][/link] article from September 2022, reportedly believes that the New Jersey governor missed his moment in 2012. Back then, Christie was a gleefully pugnacious chief executive, swarmed by national buzz, who upended assumptions of how Republicans could flip blue states. But not having completed a single term as governor, Christie concluded he wasnt ready for the presidency and passed on the presidential race. By the time he did run in 2016, conservative hardliners had grown skeptical of his ideological bearings and flocked to an even more gleefully pugnacious northeasterner. DeSantis has reason to worry that if he waits as Christie did, hell be old news by 2028.
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That answer summed up DeSantiss pitch: Hes a more competent version of Trump. But [b]that is only a compelling argument if Trump voters are craving competency. [/b]Trump quickly shot back, not with a defense of his governing acumen, but with a reminder of his legal predicament: While I am fighting against Radical Left Lunatics, Persecutors, and unfair Prosecutors who want to destroy us all, Ron DeSanctimonious is not working for the people of Florida as he should be, he is too busy chatting with a Ratings Challenged TV Host from England, desperately trying to rescue his failing Campaign. Soon after, Trump got indicted, and his poll numbers among Republicans soared.
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According to a recent [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/09/desantis-trump-indictment-republicans-2024/][i]Washington Post[/i][/link][i] [/i]report, DeSantis is lying low for now but will eventually engage with Trump on policy rather than trade insults and employ name-calling for instance, by rebutting the former presidents criticisms of how DeSantis handled the pandemic and taking aim at Trumps own record on the issue. Huh? Thats what DeSantis just did, and it got him nowhere. If DeSantis is not willing to take the fight to Trump, for fear of alienating his voters, then he should follow that logic to its inevitable conclusion. The best way to not alienate Trump voters is not to run against Trump. Then in 2028, when DeSantis will turn just 50 years old, he can run for real, maybe even with Trumps blessing.
[/QUOTE]Nate Silver with a counter-argument: “The thing is that if DeSantis doesn’t run in 2024 he’ll look like a loser who couldn’t survive first contact with scrutiny as a national figure. Perceptions of his electoral competence have declined a lot and he’ll lock those perceptions in.”
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He is a loser. Running in 2024 wont change anything.
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And the conservative take from Ross Douthat –
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/opinion/desantis-2024.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare]https://www.nytimes.com/2…ingSource=articleShare[/link]
Why DeSantis Has to Run[/h1]
Thats where DeSantis sits right now. The political betting site PredictIt places his odds of being president in 2024, expressed as a share price, at 23 cents, slightly below Trump and well below Biden, but far above everybody else. Those odds, representing a roughly 20 percent chance at the White House, sound about right to me. If you look at national polls since Trumps indictment, DeSantiss support has [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-desantis-national-polls/]dipped only slightly[/link]; if you look at polls of early primary states hes clearly within striking distance, Trump has a floor of support but also a lot of voters who arent eager to rally to him (his indictment may have solidified support, but it didnt make his numbers soar) and DeSantis has not yet even begun to campaign. Hes in a much better position than any of Trumps rivals ever were in 2016, and you could argue that he starts out closer to the nomination than any Republican candidate did in 2008 or 2012.
Not to run now is to throw this proximity away, in the hopes of starting out even closer four years hence. But DeSantiss current position is itself a creation of unusual political good fortune. Yes, hes been skillful, but that skill wouldnt have gotten him here without events beyond anyones control the Covid-19 pandemic, the woke revolution in liberal institutions, the split between Mike Pence and Trump after Jan. 6, the strength of the Florida economy, and more.
Its obviously possible to imagine a future where fortune continues to favor DeSantis and he goes into 2028 as the prohibitive favorite. But time and chance are cruel, and there are many more paths where events conspire against him, and he wakes up in 2027 staring at PredictIt odds of 5 percent instead.…
DeSantis today is a man already graced by Fortune. And even if the goddess doesnt always favor boldness, she takes a stern view of those to whom favor is extended who then refuse the gift.
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Rosss HOPE to quite a former president, is for conservatives to find anyone-but-Trump-again.
Caught between Scylla and Charybdis.
Lets face it, THE CORE will nominate, not Ross. & theyre leaning strongly for Trump.
The Mouse shivved DeSantis good after, to quote Madeline Kahn, after DeSantis went out with the boys to boast and brag.
If DeSantis fails with the Mouse, whats he going to do with Putin. With Xi. With all the dictators & the world looking to the US to lead again.
Because DeSantis is afraid of Trump so what kind of leader would he be? & definitely inferior to old-man addled Biden.
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[h1][b]Christie Attacks DeSantis[/b][/h1]
Former Gov. Chris Christie (R) [link=https://www.semafor.com/article/04/18/2023/chris-christie-i-dont-think-ron-desantis-is-a-conservative]told Semafor[/link] that he doesnt think Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is a conservative, based on his public feud with Disney.
Christie said that as a conservative, the job of government is to stay out of the business of business.
He added: Where are we headed here now that if you express disagreement in this country, the government is allowed to punish you? To me, thats what I always thought liberals did.________
After stating how inappropriate it was to use the levers of government for punishment of political enemies, Christie then said “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee.”
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[h1][b]Key DeSantis Donors Rip Him in Private Chats[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/ron-desantis-donors-donald-trump-uncertainty-1234716875/]Rolling Stone[/link]: Over the past few years, the Florida governor has risen to Trumps top internal rival without even declaring his candidacy. And part of that rise has been fueled by his pull with the GOPs megadonor class, who prefer him to Trump because, while he brings a similar set of MAGAfied policies, he has not, to date, attempted a coup. That wellspring of financial support has been instrumental in fueling his rise, but the investments are predicated in large part on a belief that he can take down Donald.
That belief seems to be wavering, as the donor revolt has been brewing since at least last month. And its not just skittish donors like Richard Uihlein or Thomas Peterffy, who went public with his complaints last week. Several other top donors to DeSantis were livid about the governor referring to the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine as a territorial dispute, with at least one major donor calling DeSantis to urge a walk-back.
Said one: If we wanted a f*cking MAGA candidate, we would donate to Donald Trump.
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The mega donor class is also sympathetic to the Disney side of the argument.
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Never-Trump GOP strategist Stuart Stevens: “The Ron DeSantis path to the WH was to be [i]bigger[/i] than Donald Trump, a problem solver who brought different sides together. Instead hes running a petty, angry campaign. Ted Cruz without the personality. Why? Because thats who he is. A small, angry guy who needs attention.”
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Cruz has a personality? Ron doesn’t make sense to me. He’s full on Trumpy politics are about his perceived petty grievances. At the same time the GOP is supposed to be all about free market, and cutting taxes from businesses. In that sense his attacking Disney is the opposite.
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[h3][link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/19/desantis-dc-trump-endorsement-00092695#:~:text=At%20a%20big%20moment%20for,Donald%20Trump’s%20string%20of%20endorsements.&text=Florida%20Gov.%20Ron%20DeSantis%20values,waiting%20DeSantis%20is%20losing%20it.]DeSantis is in a rut. His trek to D.C. didn’t help. – POLITICO[/link][/h3]
At a big moment for him, the Florida governor was overshadowed by rival Donald Trumps string of endorsements.As he trekked to the nations capital to demonstrate strength with the Washington establishment on Tuesday and before he even set foot in the district several members of his states congressional delegation announced support instead for former President Donald Trumps White House comeback bid.
It was the latest indication of the early shine dulling on a candidate initially heralded by Republicans who dont want Trump to be their partys 2024 nominee and more proof of Trumps indictment bolstering his standing in the GOP field.
[DeSantis] is in a much weaker position now than he was a few months ago. Trump is in a much stronger position, said Sarah Longwell, a moderate Republican strategist. DeSantis, she said, has had a tough few weeks.
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Heard on political talk radio this am: “If the DeSantis team sent him to D.C. without [i]already[/i] having a number of congressional endorsements ready to be rolled out after the visit that is political malpractice.”
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that loser was hocking books in Ohio when some of the biggest cities in Florida were under water.
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