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Roe v. Wade overturned
[link=https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1540336880188801026]https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1540336880188801026[/link]
THE SUPREME COURT HAS OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE, ELIMINATING THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO ABORTION.
[link=https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf]https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf[/link]
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Held: The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives.
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Wonder what’s going to happen when people travel across states now for an abortion. Just figuring this is going to lead to a lot more court cases.
Should be noted too all the justices that said this was settled law when under oath being questioned.-
As some framers feared, if not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights or elsewhere in the Constitution, such right does not exist.
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Well some got what they wanted
But
Sometimes its not what you wish for
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Or better said
Be careful what you wish for
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The snowflake “Democratic” voters of 2016 who decided to “try Trump,” or could not vote for Hillary because she…?, or threw away their votes on the 2nd tier candidates because…? and those who just stayed home because there weren’t inspired enough all got what they wanted even if they did not know it at the time.
Best yet? More to come. The state governments will decide now what’s best for you and what you are allowed to do or expect.
We’ll see what happens this midterm and 2024.
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that’s the wild card. Will this crush the GOP? They’ve basically maneuvered control of the voting apparatus in many places.
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Its not going to help them nationally
It will solidify rural areas
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that’s the wild card. Will this crush the GOP? They’ve basically maneuvered control of the voting apparatus in many places.
Democratic mobilization has begun
Trump privately telling people that this will be very bad for Republicans
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Held: The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives.
I dont like the result but it does make sense from a legal perspective. Time to see what the result is now that the dog caught the car. Can this be enough to finally elect representatives that follow the will of the majority? It can be done. Throw in gun safety and its even more likely.
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Interesting but not surprising that the actual decision is virtually identical to the leaked “draft.”
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Just to be clear, there was never a constitutional right.
In the 50 years since, it would have been entirely appropriate for the federal government to pass a law under the commerce clause that protects the right to an abortion. This was never done. Also, in the 50 years since the constitution could have been amended to include a fundamental right for ‘people to be left the fock alone’. That was also never done.
The decision is good law and bad politics.
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The argument by Alito is that unless it is specifically mentioned as a right, there is no right. So privacy, birth control even marriage (ie miscegenation) are not SPECIFICALLY mentioned as right. Nor are rights pertaining to LGBTQ people & issues specifically mentioned as rights.
Ergo, no such rights.
This was a specific concern about the founders who specifically wanted a Bill of Rights but were also concerned that any “rights” not enumerated would not exist, hence the insertion of the 9th Amendment which was supposed to resolve the issue. It was concluded as a compromise because listing ALL* the rights assumed would be impossible.
The Ninth Amendment was [link=https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-9#fn2]James Madisons attempt[/link] to ensure that the [link=https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/Bill_of_Rights]Bill of Rights[/link] was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed. In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such unenumerated rights outside those [link=https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fundamental_right]expressly protected[/link] by the Bill of Rights.
And I have a bridge to sell the Founders…
[link=https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-ix/interps/131]https://constitutioncente…endment-ix/interps/131[/link]In response, supporters of the Constitution (Federalists) such as James Wilson argued that a bill of rights would be dangerous. Enumerating any rights, Wilson argued, might imply that all those not listed were surrendered. And, because it was impossible to enumerate all the rights of the people, a bill of rights might actually be construed to justify the governments power to limit any liberties of the people that were not enumerated. Nevertheless, because the Anti-Federalist demand for a bill of rights resonated with the public, Federalists like James Madison countered with a pledge to offer amendments after the Constitutions ratification.
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What’s next? Ban on contraception? Gay marriage? The religious right is out of control. Pretty soon there will be no separation between church and state.
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What’s next? Ban on contraception? Gay marriage? The religious right is out of control. Pretty soon there will be no separation between church and state.
Precisely, what is next with the new religious right Supremes?
If they can turn over “settled” cases like Roe & Casey, the sky’s the limit. Thomas has said out loud that the Court should reconsider contraception and LGBTQ rulings.-
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What’s next? Ban on contraception? Gay marriage? The religious right is out of control. Pretty soon there will be no separation between church and state.
Precisely, what is next with the new religious right Supremes?
If they can turn over “settled” cases like Roe & Casey, the sky’s the limit. Thomas has said out loud that the Court should reconsider contraception and LGBTQ rulings.
Yep …. Clarence Thomas made it perfectly clear what is next-
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.supremecourt.gov%2Fopinions%2F21pdf%2F19-1392_6j37.pdf]https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion…-1392_6j37.pdf[/link]Thomas, concurring:
“For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Courts substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is demonstrably erroneous, Ramos v. Louisiana, 590 U. S. ___, ___ (2020) (THOMAS, J., concurring in judgment) (slip op., at 7), we have a duty to correct the error established in those precedents, Gamble v. United States, 587 U. S. ___, ___ (2019) (THOMAS, J., concurring) (slip op., at 9). After overruling these demonstrably erroneous decisions, the question would remain whether other constitutional provisions guarantee the myriad rights that our substantive due process cases have generated. For example, we could consider whether any of the rights announced in this Courts substantive due process cases are privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
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Key words from Republican judges, they “have a duty to correct the error” established in all due process precedent like Griswold (states’ rights to forbid contraception), Obergefell (states’ right to forbid same-sex marriages based on religious grounds), Lawrence (states’ rights to make sure you perform sex the correct way under penalty of imprisonment). And more corrections to come.
So much for Republican’s mythology about wanting government out of our business. There is no right to privacy from the government!
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/24/abortion-supreme-court-corporate-reaction/]https://www.washingtonpos…rt-corporate-reaction/[/link]
I guess the Woke culture of Disney could really give 2 sheets about Governor Desantis and the rest of the wingnuts
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Just to be clear, there was never a constitutional right.
In the 50 years since, it would have been entirely appropriate for the federal government to pass a law under the commerce clause that protects the right to an abortion. This was never done. Also, in the 50 years since the constitution could have been amended to include a fundamental right for ‘people to be left the fock alone’. That was also never done.
The decision is good law and bad politics.
depends on what your interpretation of the constitution is. How many judges are saying crap like I’m an originalist? Doesn’t it kick off about General Welfare and Liberty. Judges impose their own views, they’re not following law.
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Yay.
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Interesting that all these “corrections” are about government deciding how and with whom you should and should not have sex.
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Guns have more right than womenand by the way there is no mention of self defense in the Constitution eitherwhat a nightmare
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Maybe Loving v Va should be tossed first
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I was just thinking that myself, Clarence is opposed to decisions based on “due process” because these due process rights are not specifically explicitly stated in the Constitution. And if it is not specifically enumerated, it does not exist. It’s a privelege to be granted or withheld by states’ statutes.
But after listing his wishes to reverse Obergefell, Griswold & Lawrence but strangely silent on that due process right granted in Virginia v Loving.
These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.
Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival. To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State’s citizens of liberty without due process of law.
[i]Loving[/i], 388 U.S. at 12 (citations omitted).[link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia#cite_note-43][41][/link][/sup][/sup]
Gee, wonder why. An oversight on Clarence’s part perhaps?
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Guns have more right than womenand by the way there is no mention of self defense in the Constitution eitherwhat a nightmare
Guns are specifically listed and recently decided have nothing to do with a militia as worded in the constitution but are an individual right.
Women are not listed in the bill of Rights. We men are entitled to women but women are not entitled.-
[link=https://web.archive.org/web/20191118145152/http://www.federalistblog.us/mt/articles/14th_dummy_guide.htm#due]https://web.archive.org/w…th_dummy_guide.htm#due[/link]
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The funny thing is I can recall all the slippery slope stuff like gay marriage will lead to people wanting to marry dogs. And all the BS.
Im not sure if irony is the word but theres a contingent that wants to ban contraception.l and thats not a slippery slope. Even though it is totally absurd. Stock up on jimmy hats I guess.
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Fundamentalist religious have a fundamental problem with sex. Especially women and sex or same-sex sex. Unless you are a Howard Sperm fan, then it’s about getting in between 2 women having sex. But then you go to confession after for a couple of Hail Mary’s.
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The # of MDs that are OK/happy with today’s outcome is stunning.
Obviously it’s only the deranged minority of docs, but still somewhat shocking to see.-
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The # of MDs that are OK/happy with today’s outcome is stunning.
Obviously it’s only the deranged minority of docs, but still somewhat shocking to see.
I am more surprised by the number of radiologists who read prenatal US who can reconcile in their head that they are not dealing with another human being.
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Im generally a fan of The Onion, but that is one of the worst I have ever read dergon.
It almost sounds like the Frumi proof. Find someone on the other side and make up things about them to further mock and ridicule. Perfect. A laugh riot.
Maybe thats the point? The Onion has come full circle? No need to be funny anymore? The Onion has become truth? We have seen some of that lately.
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I am more surprised by the number of radiologists who read prenatal US who can reconcile in their head that they are not dealing with another human being.
My take is different
I absolutely believe life begins at conception but I recognize that not everyone else shares my belief and furthermore what gives me the right to tell a woman how they should think act or feel
Its definitely a tough issue and a moral
DilemmaSeems to me it should be an individual choice to make
But I guess its not like a right to own an assault rifle derrrrrrrr day dare is a individual right
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I am more surprised by the number of radiologists who read prenatal US who can reconcile in their head that they are not dealing with another human being.
My take is different
[b]I absolutely believe life begins at conception but I recognize that not everyone else shares my belief and furthermore what gives me the right to tell a woman how they should think act or feel [/b]
Its definitely a tough issue and a moral
DilemmaSeems to me it should be an individual choice to make
But I guess its not like a right to own an assault rifle derrrrrrrr day dare is a individual right
Agree. Life begins at conception. I think debating this detail just feeds the pro-lifers…I have a simplistic take on abortion. It needs to be legal since the initial act requires two to participate and its economically/emotionally/physically unjust to leave the repercussions to only one of these individuals in the case of an unwanted pregnancy. If our species had evolved that both parents became pregnant or half pregnant or whatever, abortion would be a non-issue. -
Btw. I am pro-abortion. I have dealt with enough complications created by the itinerant contract butcher working out of the local ‘planned parenthood’ franchise, that I don’t want to see illegal abortions. It’s bad enough as is. Women fixated on not carrying a pregnancy to it’s natural completion will find a way to kill their unborn child, whether there is a legal avenue to do so or not.
As a society, we are better off with offering it as part of regular medical care. Early pregnancy, don’t want it, go to your regular noctor and get the abortion pills. If you need a D&C, just get it done like any other medically necessary D&C at the local surgery center or as in-office procedure at a OB.
But don’t tell me a 36 weeker is not a human being. Or a 25 weeker for that matter.
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The problem in our country is polarization
This leads to the crazies calling a lot of the shots
the extremes are winning the political battles and the middle is getting screwed
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The Roe v. Wade notion of abortion until viability was a muddle … but it was a pretty darned good compromise of a muddle.
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The problem in our country is polarization
This leads to the crazies calling a lot of the shots
the extremes are winning the political battles and the middle is getting screwed
Couldnt be more true. How do we fix it?
There is a thread on this forum that tried to suggest ways. Even that has been co-opted by the extremists. Dont worry, one side is indeed worse than the other though so its not a problem to lose and huddle with your teammates, b****ing and moaning all of the way.
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Laurence Tribe: Dems should use the lame duck to codify Roe v. Wade using the Commerce Clause, just as Congress used it to enact the Partial Birth Abortion ban in 2003, which SCOTUS upheld in 2007. The Court might well strike a Roe codification down, but we must try.
would have the political benefit of driving repeat Dem outrage when Alito sh*ts on it a second time
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My ancestors didnt fight so that my rights could be actively stripped away by politicians who are so completely out of touch with womens issues and have zero interest or care for themapart from voting along party lines to garner votes so they can stay in power. Im worried womens right to vote is next. Sorry, but many men believe a womens only worth is what a man ascribes her, and many dont give a crap about womens educationand in some cases actively attempt to suppress it.
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You dont think wealthy Republican politicians would be on the first plane out of the country to seek a clandestine abortion with their 10 year old daughter if she was raped and got pregnant? You bet they would.
These bans target already marginalized minorities and poor people who would already have financial difficulties raising a child.
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[link=https://apnews.com/article/abortion-poll-roe-dobbs-ban-opinion-fcfdfc5a799ac3be617d99999e92eabe]AP-NORC poll[/link]
[h1][b]Few US adults support full abortion bans, even in states that have them, an AP-NORC poll finds[/b][/h1]
While the laws have changed over the past year, the poll found that opinions on abortion remain much as they were a year ago: complex, with most people believing abortion should be allowed in some circumstances and not in others. Overall, about two-thirds of Americans say abortion should generally be legal, but only about a quarter say it should always be legal and only about 1 in 10 say it should always be illegal.By 24 weeks of pregnancy, most Americans think their state should generally not allow abortions.
The poll found that 73% of all U.S. adults, including 58% of those in states with the deepest bans, believe abortion should be allowed at six weeks of pregnancy. Just one state currently has a ban in effect that kicks in around then. Thats Georgia, where abortion is banned once cardiac activity can be detected around six weeks and before women often know theyre pregnant. Ohio and South Carolina have similar bans that are not being enforced because of court action, and Florida has one that hasnt taken effect.
About half of Americans say abortions should be permitted at the 15-week mark, though 55% of those living in the most restrictive states say abortion should be banned by that point.
And by 24 weeks, about two-thirds of Americans, including those who live in states with the fewest restrictions, say it should be barred.
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2023%2F08%2F01%2Fus%2Felections%2Ftimes-siena-poll-registered-voters-crosstabs.html]New York Times/Siena poll[/link]
[h1]15-Week Abortion Ban Almost as Unpopular as 6-week Bans[/h1] State abortion bans at six weeks are opposed by voters by a whopping 57% to 36% margin.But a national law to ban abortions at supposedly more reasonable 15-weeks is opposed by voters by a similar 53% to 38% margin.
The poll did not even get into the language around exceptions for rape and incest and the health of the mother.
The bottom line is that abortion bans are not popular.
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I went to early voting last Thursday. There was hardly anyone there. I live a trump-deranged county but hopefully no wins out. I see a decent number of no signs around here.
One thing I did notice is theyre making vote yes signs that look every vote no sign Ive seen.
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I went to early voting last Thursday. There was hardly anyone there. I live a trump-deranged county but hopefully no wins out. I see a decent number of no signs around here.
One thing I did notice is theyre making vote yes signs that look every vote no sign Ive seen.
It’s all astroturf out-of-state money trying to push YES over the line.
They chose a weird date in August in hopes of low turnout dominated by pro-life activists.
I’m out of the country, but I’ll vote in person next Tuesday.
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If your drive fairmount from Cleveland to Geauga its all no until you leave cuyahoga.
Anecdote. Im at at a county hospital working on NMIS and overheard a front desk person talking about voting yes. Her reason is because only the jack casino downtown has table games and that amendment was just snuck into the constitution. SMH.
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Btw. I am pro-abortion. I have dealt with enough complications created by the itinerant butcher contracted by the local planned Parenthood franchise that I don’t want to see illegal abortions. It’s bad enough as is. Women fixated on not carrying a pregnancy to it’s natural completion will find a way to kill their unborn child, whether there is a legal avenue to do so or not.
As a society, we are better off with offering it as part of regular medical care. Early pregnancy, don’t want it, go to your regular noctor and get the abortion pills. If you need a D&C, just get it done like any other medically necessary D&C at the local surgery center or as in-office procedure at a OB.
But don’t tell me a 36 weeker is not a human being. Or a 25 weeker for that matter.
Agreed 100%. Wasn’t trying to get into the nuance of determining the line for when life starts, fetus rights start, etc. I don’t think it should be a free-for-all.
Abolishing federal abortion protections and leaving it up to the states is a horrible decision for the million of citizens of the US. A massive step backwards and another embarrassment for the country, as many Western leaders have already publicly said.
I don’t care about the legal arguments regarding a document written hundreds of years ago. I’m sure most of those authors would think we are absolutely nuts for even trying to hang on every word in 2022.
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Ill add my support to the last two posts. From the pessimism usually shown here one would think this always a minority of radiologists, especially right leaners. Glad to see it is not.
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Divided states of America. Ford Raptor drives over Cedars Rapids protesters with wife in car begging him to stop. Pro life party.
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Yay
Today Fox News were railing against the liberals for threatening violence and complaining about our institutions comparing the largely female protesters to the January 6 white Nationalist
Yay
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Divided states of America. Ford Raptor drives over Cedars Rapids protesters with wife in car begging him to stop. Pro life party.
Police decline to arrest him.
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Divided states of America. Ford Raptor drives over Cedars Rapids protesters with wife in car begging him to stop. Pro life party.
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Divided states of America. Ford Raptor drives over Cedars Rapids protesters with wife in car begging him to stop. Pro life party.
What exactly happened? A truck plowed into a party of pro-lifer’s? Would imagine significant casualties
Idiot protesters drag their feet crossing a pedestrian crosswalk. Light for vehicle traffic turns green
Small penised idiot with lifted pickup gets impatient, drives around stopped car and slowly creeps through the crowd blocking the crosswalk. Idiot protestors swarm pickup trying to stop it. In the process one idiot protestor gets foot run over by idiot driven lifted Pickup.#normalforIowa
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The Onion:
[h3][link=https://www.theonion.com/anti-abortion-advocate-excitedly-switches-focus-to-sham-1849106094]Anti-Abortion Advocate Excitedly Switches Focus To Shaming Unwed Mothers [/link][/h3]
[image]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_965/9747f7143cfa539af5f509466a076612.jpg[/image]In the wake of the Supreme Courts 6-3 decision to overturn [i]Roe v. Wade[/i], local anti-abortion advocate Mary Firkins, 54, excitedly announced Friday that she would now switch her full-time attention to the shaming of young unwed mothers. Its been very rewarding these past few decades to value the lives of fetuses over those of the women carrying them, but now I can finally focus all my energy on the whores who get pregnant out of wedlock, said Firkins, giddily crossing out the names of abortion providers and pharmacists on the envelopes that contained her menacing letters and bomb threats and filling in the names of single mothers-to-be. Ive always wanted to remind these irresponsible sluts that its all their faultand I certainly have, on occasionbut Ive been so focused on saving the unborn that Ive never had enough time to really get up in their faces and rub it in. The resentment has been piling up for decades, and its going to feel so good to let it all out by screaming at young women for having premarital sex, consensual or not. Our hard work has paid off, and its time to have some fun! At press time, Firkins was overheard expressing gratitude for how many more young unwed mothers the courts ruling would create for her to terrorize.
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It was a line. The line was attacked because medical science moved that viability possibility earlier and earlier; at some point we will be capable of growing a zygote completely in vitro – and what would happen then? Perhaps giving the embryo to be grown in vitro & then made available for adoption?
How many thousands of frozen embryos are there out there that are ignored in the discussion as if they had “no life.” Or soul for the religious? What of them? As one poster argued, they don’t matter because they don’t have a vessel to carry & birth them. Really? What sort of mental gymnastics are involved in that if an embryo is a human person?
Viability is now abolished leaving the only line for anti-abortionists, conception and “personhood” at conception.
I do not believe a fertilized ovum is a person and deserving of personhood especially with priority over their “vessel,” who is a real “person.” The state should not be involved deciding the adult person is less valuable than an embryo.
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In any case, Iowa is one of states that passed law giving immunity to anyone using car or truck to drive through protesters.
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Interesting cnn segment about this. Newscaster notes there are already 450,000 children in foster homes that are not adopted after anti-abortion Alice Stewart says there are plenty of services already available to care for pregnant women & children whereupon Ana Navarro calls BS on that.
[link=https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/06/24/ana-navarro-alice-stewart-scotus-abortion-reaction-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/]https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/06/24/ana-navarro-alice-stewart-scotus-abortion-reaction-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/[/link]-
WOW! is the only polite comment. Freudian slip or deliberate despite later explanation attempts.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/26/mary-miller-white-life-trump-rally/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/26/mary-miller-white-life-trump-rally/[/link]A Republican lawmaker called the Supreme Courts decision to [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/24/supreme-court-abortion-ruling/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2&itid=lk_inline_manual_2]overturn the nationwide right to abortion[/link] established nearly 50 years ago in [i]Roe v. Wade [/i]a victory for white life, which was met with cheers by crowds at a rally held by former president Donald Trump.
President Trump, on behalf of all the MAGA patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday, Rep. Mary E. Miller (R) said at the rally Saturday night in Mendon, Ill., referring to Trumps former campaign slogan, Make America Great Again.
She began clapping her hands as spectators, some clutching red Save America placards, also began to applaud.See Twit clip to see & hear
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Interesting cnn segment about this. Newscaster notes there are already 450,000 children in foster homes that are not adopted after …..
Mostly teenagers from troubled home situations.
There is no shortage of adoptive homes for newborns. People spend 100eds of thousands to adopt a special needs or fetal alcohol newborn from Vietnam/china/Ukraine/Russia. If there was a better domestic supply, that market would dry up, but every newborn available for nondirected adoption has a bench 20 deep to choose from.
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In any case, Iowa is one of states that passed law giving immunity to anyone using car or truck to drive through protesters.
Yeah, as long as you exercise due care while running over protesters, you are ok. It’s meant to protect those who get swarmed by a violent mob from being held liable if they use their car to get away.
This incident apparently involved a verbal altercation between short-d!ck and protestors, so regardless of the civil immunity, he may have criminal exposure under an assault angle.
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Yay
Republicans outraged about protests involving abortion but supported patriots trying to destroy the capital kill the Vice President and defacate on the floor
Yay
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Republicans fighting for the right of 19 yr old high school drop out with vendetta to buy machine gun
But same republicans forcing 19 yr old girl raped by creepy step uncle to keep the baby
YAY
Winning!!!
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The 19 y/o was forming his own militia for defense against enemies of the state which could be the government itself, so its ok.
As for the girl, women lose all rights & become wards of the state once they become pregnant, regardless of how. Besides, a mega donor to GQP recommended an aspirin held between the knees to prevent rape? She shudda had an aspirin.
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Well, finally we all might get to answering that question, are embryos persons? If yes, waddabout them frozen American citizens? Are we going to defrost & implant them so they can be real persons? We cant allow people to remain frozen forever.
[link=https://fortune.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-abortion-ivf-embryos-red-states/]https://fortune.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-abortion-ivf-embryos-red-states/[/link]At issue is not necessarily the legal standing of IVF, the process by which those embryos were created; rather, its the legal standing of those embryos residing in the states that have trigger laws set to immediately ban abortion in the wake of the Supreme Courts decisionin some cases by giving rights and protections to embryos.
The courts decision has raised a host of new and fraught questions for both patients and doctors: Will there be limits on the number of embryos doctors can create during IVF? Will patients be forced to donate or implant their embryos? Will disposing of embryos suddenly become a criminal act? Those are the kinds of nightmare scenarios that people are concerned about, says Dena Sharp, a partner at Girard Sharp who focuses on IVF-related cases.
In recent months, in anticipation of the ruling, infertility message boards and Reddit threads have lit up with people asking for advice on whether they should move their embryos out of red states.
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Has anyone heard of ectopics not being treated until the woman actually becomes unstable?
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I dont know of anyway to Re-implant an ectopic, but Im obviously not a surgeon. I dont think this can be done at this point and is currently not a viable option. I have heard they are not treating the women in some states but I hope this is just rumors.
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My face is literally The Scream by Munch.
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I too have read the belief that ectopic pregnancies can resolve themselves in most cases & dont automatically require an abortion. I dont know how widespread this belief is or if I was just reading a rehash of this one article, since recanted by the author in a rambling article. But the fact is it was published & read.
[link=https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/09/is-abortion-really-necessary-for-treating-ectopic-pregnancies/]https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/09/is-abortion-really-necessary-for-treating-ectopic-pregnancies/[/link]
Also this:
[link=https://jezebel.com/the-anti-abortion-doctor-who-believes-ectopic-pregnanci-1838220334]https://jezebel.com/the-anti-abortion-doctor-who-believes-ectopic-pregnanci-1838220334[/link]
In April, Ohio State Representative John Becker included in an anti-abortion bill a provision that would require insurance coverage for the reimplantation of ectopic pregnancy from the fallopian tube to the uterus, a procedure that, as many medical professionals quickly pointed out, does not exist.
Becker didnt conjure this procedure from the depths of his imagination. I was given some research material, he tells Jezebel, that cited studies in two medical journals.
But there is one particular doctor who has been advocating for this sort of procedure since at least 2015, when [link=http://web.archive.org/web/20160322224929/[link=http://www.johnstonfamilyministry.com/article/saving-ectopically-implanted-boys-and-girls-0]http://www.johnstonfamily…anted-boys-and-girls-0[/link]]he sent a letter[/link] titled Saving Eptopically Implanted Boys and Girls to more than two-dozen pro-life leaders and groups.
Ectopic-pregnancy-uterine transplantation surgery is a long-proven remedy that the contemporary medical community pretends does not even exist, Dr. Johnston wrote, encouraging pro-life groups to update their policies and encourage informed consent on life-saving options when ministering to pregnant women and training doctors.
[link=https://www.insider.com/missouri-seeks-to-ban-abortion-for-ectopic-pregnancies-new-bill-2022-3]https://www.insider.com/missouri-seeks-to-ban-abortion-for-ectopic-pregnancies-new-bill-2022-3[/link]Republican state representative Brian Seitz proposed [link=https://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf]House Bill No. 2810[/link], which would make the production, sale, purchase, or use of medical devices or drugs used for abortions a class B 11 felony, punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
Performing or assisting an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy would be classified as a class A felony under Seitz’s plan, carrying a sentence [link=https://www.dwicriminallawcenter.com/felony-missouri/#:~:text=Class%20A%20Missouri%20Felony,Murder%20in%20the%201st%20degree]as high as 30 years or life in prison[/link]. Even treating ectopic pregnancies in trafficking victims is criminalized in the bill.
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Turns out the FL constitution has a ‘right to privacy’ specifically spelled out:
Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the persons private life except as otherwise provided herein.
So for now, overturning Roe has no bearing on the legality of abortion in the sunshine state.
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Protesters still peacefully demonstrating in front of Supreme Court judges’ homes as the conservative judges demand the demonstrators’ 1st Amendment rights be stopped by law enforcement.
[link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/officials-push-back-supreme-court-request-block-protests-justices-homes]https://www.washingtonexa…rotests-justices-homes[/link]
A plea from the [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/supreme-court]Supreme Court[/link] marshal to prohibit pro-abortion rights picketing outside the homes of justices got a lukewarm reception from certain [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/virginia]Virginia[/link] and [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/maryland]Maryland[/link]officials.
The high court’s chief security officer, Marshal Gail Curley, sent four letters on Friday to Maryland Gov. [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/larry-hogan]Larry Hogan[/link], a Republican, Virginia Gov. [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/glenn-youngkin]Glenn Youngkin[/link], a Republican, Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich, and Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman Jeffrey McKay saying that threatening activity has persisted outside the homes of justices in both Maryland and Virginia since May.
Since then, protest activity at justices homes, as well as threatening activity, has only increased, Curley said in the letter, noting that large groups were using bullhorns and banging drums.
Elrich said he has spoken with Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus Jones and noted that he was not aware of any need for additional security assistance as of Monday, adding that discussing security concerns via public letters is “irresponsible and disappointing behavior.”
The law cited in the letter is a likely violation of the First Amendment, and a previous court case refused to enforce it, McKay said in a joint statement with the Fairfax County Police Department.
As long as individuals are assembling on public property and not blocking access to private residences, they are permitted to be there,” the statement added.
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[b]Big Majority Disapproves of Overturning Roe v. Wade[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-react-to-roe-v-wade-overturn-opinion-poll-2022-06-26/]CBS News Poll[/link]: The American public is rendering its initial judgment on the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and most disapprove of the ruling, including two-thirds of women who disapprove.
By more than a 20-point margin, Americans call it a step backward rather than forward for America. And women, by more than three to one, think the ruling will make womens lives worse rather than better.-
How do you force every conception in a woman to be taken to childbirth ? Thats like state control of a womans womb. Almost what Taliban would decree.
Conception is more often incidental and unplanned.
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How do you force every conception in a woman to be taken to childbirth ?
You don’t.
Overturning Roe v. Wade will not end abortion. It just ends access to *safe* abortion for millions of women living in the Taliban states.
(And forces wealthier women in those states to spend time and $$ figuring the logistics of abortion travel)
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/27/roe-deserves-sober-debate-not-war-of-unreason/]Michael Gerson[/link]: For the foreseeable future, the abortion debate with all its tragic complexities has been returned to the realm of democracy. And there is little evidence our democracy is prepared for it.
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Quote from RADD2010
How do you force every conception in a woman to be taken to childbirth ?
You don’t.
Overturning Roe v. Wade will not end abortion. It just ends access to *safe* abortion for millions of women living in the Taliban states.
(And forces wealthier women in those states to spend time and $$ figuring the logistics of abortion travel)
That’s incorrect. Most abortions are medication based. The FDA made the drug available without a FTF visit. There is no shortage of providers in the pro-abortion states who will prescribe after a tele visit and pharmacies who will ship. Women already travel to have surgical abortions because local options are often poor quality or you run a risk of running into a demonstrator who knows you . It’s often cheaper to take a trip to one of the industrial facilities in the progressive cities to take care of your problem.
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The pill doesn’t always work and can require follow up care.
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It’s not just enough to block abortions in their own Taliban states …. states would make it illegal to cross state lines to have an abortion:
1. [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F06%2F29%2Fabortion-state-lines%2F]https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit…n-state-lines/[/link]
and here comes your constitutional crisis — other states refusing to extradite. Schism increasing.
2. [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Fcolorado-secretary-of-state-we-will-stand-firm-in-blocking-extradition-of-women-who-travel-to-get-abortions-222108470.html]https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-…222108470.html[/link]
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A modern variant of the Fugitive Slave Act enforcing forced-births. Similar rationale, women are slaves who need to be controlled.
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In Texas (where else???), a woman being given a ticket for being in an HOV lane argued she was not alone so therefore not in violation of HOV.
She was pregnant.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/09/texas-abortion-pregnant-woman-hov-bottone/]https://www.washingtonpos…ant-woman-hov-bottone/[/link]
A pregnant Texas woman who was ticketed for driving in the HOV lane suggested that [i]Roe v. Wade[/i] being overturned by the Supreme Court means that her fetus counted as a passenger, and that she should not have been cited.
Brandy Bottone was recently driving down Central Expressway in Dallas when she was stopped by a sheriffs deputy at an HOV checkpoint to see whether there were at least two occupants per vehicle as mandated. When the sheriff looked around her car last month, she recounted to The Washington Post that he asked, Is it just you or is someone else riding with you?
I said, Oh, theres two of us, Bottone said. And he said, Where?
Bottone, who was 34 weeks pregnant at the time, pointed to her stomach. Even though she said her baby girl is right here, Bottone said one of the deputies she encountered on June 29 told her it had to be two bodies outside of the body.
While the states penal code recognizes a fetus as a person, the Texas Transportation Code does not.
One officer kind of brushed me off when I mentioned this is a living child, according to everything thats going on with the overturning of [i]Roe v. Wade[/i]. So I dont know why youre not seeing that, I said, she explained to the [link=https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2022/07/08/pregnant-woman-says-her-fetus-should-count-as-a-passenger-in-hov-lanes-she-got-a-ticket/]Dallas Morning News[/link], the first to report the story.
Bottone was issued a $215 ticket for driving alone in the two-or-more occupant lane a citation she told local media shed be challenging in court this month.
I will be fighting it, Bottone, 32, of Plano, Tex., said to The Post.
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You guys really search for these nuggets, I will give you that.
A state should not be allowed to bar its citizens from inter-state travel for anything, including abortion. States can decide what they want to do within their state and vote for that. Other states can do the same. US citizens can travel to any state they please.
An HOV lane is mean for 2 people that occupy space – in fact it’s really meant for 2 adults to keep the 2nd adult from driving a separate car. So, in reality the HOV law should state that it should be 2 or more human beings with driver’s licenses, but I digress…
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[b]Biden considering EO on abortion access
[/b]President Joe Biden said Sunday he is considering declaring a public health emergency to free up federal resources to promote abortion access even though the White House has said it doesnt seem like a great option,’ the [link=https://apnews.com/article/biden-abortion-health-emergency-access-states-497aca6c30c79dd32a34cb2dfc923b81]AP[/link] reports.
Such a move has been pushed by advocates, but White House officials have questioned both its legality and effectiveness, and noted it would almost certainly face legal challenges.
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[b]Indiana to Investigate Doctor Who Perform Abortion on 10-Year Old Rape Victim[/b]
Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita (R) [link=https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547367841539756038?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547367841539756038%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Ftodd-rokita-investigate-doctor-10-year-old_n_62cfc023e4b0c0bdba666332]told Fox News[/link] his office would investigate a doctor who provided an abortion to a 10-year-old girl who was raped and became pregnant.
Said Rokita: Were gathering the evidence as we speak, and were going to fight this to the end, including looking at her licensure if she failed to report. And in Indiana its a crime to intentionally not report.
[link=https://popular.info/p/the-right-wing-smear-campaign-against]Judd Legum[/link]: The right-wing smear campaign against a doctor who helped a 10-year old rape victim.Indiana AG now says they are looking into the doctor pic.twitter.com/MMFsvBRRXs
— Acyn (@Acyn) July 13, 2022
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So according to right-wingers, including the Wall Street Journal editorial page ([link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618?redirect=amp]https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618[/link]) no such girl exists. Yet, Indiana is going to investigate an OB-Gyn physician who performed the abortion on this non-existent child, while Ohio has announced the arrest of a person who raped this non-existent child.
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Facts no longer matter to republicans
They do their own research and base their opinions on what they want to believe
Key words are own research and their opinions
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The 10 year old rape victim getting a lot of well deserved press of what happens when religious fanatics are allowed to set the rules for us all. That 10 year old & how many other are victimized all over again as the fanatics care nothing for the children forced to deliver.
Curious, those of you with a daughter, if she was raped at 10 years old, would you have her pregnant to term? Do you think she would be grateful to be a parent at 10 years old?-
These are issues that are going to happen
The right wing media really looked ridiculous when they tried to act like this was a false story
We are going to continue to see this type of situation if states ban abortion
Just how it is
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The fallout continues.
[link=https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/07/14/texas-hospitals-fearing-abortion-law-delay-pregnant-womens-care-medical-association-says/]https://www.dallasnews.co…ical-association-says/[/link]
The Texas Medical Association wants regulators to step in after hospitals reportedly refused to treat patients with serious pregnancy complications for fear of violating [link=https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/06/24/whats-next-for-texas-abortion-law-after-the-us-supreme-court-overturned-roe-v-wade/]the states abortion ban[/link].
In a letter sent Wednesday to the Texas Medical Board, the association said it received complaints that hospitals, their administrators and their lawyers may be prohibiting physicians from providing medically appropriate care to women with ectopic pregnancies and other complications.
Since last September, Texas physicians have already had to contend with a law known [link=https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/12/10/texas-senate-bill-8-a-timeline-of-the-laws-legal-challenges/]as Senate Bill 8[/link]that empowers citizens to sue anyone who aids or abets in an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy.
While theres a narrow exception in both laws to save the life of a pregnant patient, theres been confusion about who qualifies.
Fearing litigation, some [link=https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/23/texas-abortion-law-doctors-delay-care/]providers have delayed abortions[/link] until patients conditions became life-threatening, according to a paper authored by Texas-based researchers and published in [link=https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2207423]the [i]New England Journal of Medicine[/i].[/link]
The association, which declined to comment, does not identify any hospital by name in the letter, but it cites several examples.
[b]One in Central Texas allegedly told a physician not to treat an ectopic pregnancy until it ruptured[/b], which puts patient health at serious risk, according to the letter. An ectopic pregnancy, when a fertilized egg attaches outside of the uterus, is not viable.
Delayed or prevented care in this scenario creates a substantial risk for the patients future reproductive ability and poses serious risk to the patients immediate physical wellbeing, the letter said.
[b]Two other hospitals may be directing doctors to send pregnant patients home to expel the fetus when their water breaks too early, instead of treating them at the hospital, the letter said.[/b]
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I think everyone could predict that the “exception” cases … rape, incest, life of mother … would become high profile news stories and drive pubic opinion.
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[link=https://www.huffpost.com/entry/indiana-rape-victim-lawsuit-rokita_n_62d6de06e4b008a2d03f546a]Doctor Who Provided Legal Abortion To 10-Year-Old To Sue Indiana AG For Defamation
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Bernards attorneys filed a claim notice Tuesday, saying Attorney General Todd Rokita owes her damages for security costs, legal fees, reputational harm and emotional distress after saying last week he plans to investigate her actions and falsely suggesting she failed to report the abortion to state authorities.
Mr. Rokitas false and misleading statements about alleged misconduct by Dr. Bernard in her profession constitute defamation per se. The statements have been and continue to be published by or on behalf of Mr. Rokita and the Office of the Attorney General, Bernards attorney Kathleen DeLaney said in the notice of claim.
Rokita first commented publicly on Bernard last week when he appeared on [link=https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/fox-news]Fox News[/link] calling her an abortion activist acting as a doctor with a history of failing to report, referencing an Indiana law that requires physicians to notify the state within three days of performing an abortion on a patient under 16.
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OMG! The horror! I did not know. Washington D.C. powers its streets and homes by BURNING FETUSES!
Now I understand.
[link=https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5015779/user-clip-anti-choicer-claims-fetuses-power-lights]https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5015779/user-clip-anti-choicer-claims-fetuses-power-lights[/link]
Selling fetal body parts for profit.[link=https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5015758/user-clip-ms-foster-makes-wild-allegations-evidence]https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5015758/user-clip-ms-foster-makes-wild-allegations-evidence[/link]
WTF! These people are totally flucked up & proudly ignorant at a very dangerous level.
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[link=https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2022/11/doctor-who-performed-abortion-on-10-year-old-ohio-girl-sues-indiana-attorney-general.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter]https://www.cleveland.com…amp;utm_source=twitter[/link]
[b]Doctor who performed abortion on 10-year-old Ohio girl sues Indiana attorney general
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It alleges that {Indiana Attorney General Todd} Rokita has issued subpoenas seeking the medical records of patients based on complaints from people who have never been a patient of either Bernard or Caldwell and who lack any personal knowledge of the alleged circumstances giving rise to the complaints.
The suit contends that Rokita has completely ignored a state requirement that his office first determine that consumer complaints have merit before he can investigate physicians and other licensed professionals and that his conduct violates numerous Indiana statutes.
The Attorney General has wholly ignored the General Assemblys fine-tuned structure for handling consumer complaints regarding licensed professionals and has engaged in precisely the type of overbearing, harassing conduct that the General Assembly sought to prohibit, the suit states.[/QUOTE]
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One hopes Rokita will actually be held to account. But then, that’s Indiana & I’m not hopeful. He accomplished what he wanted with the core just by throwing them red meat that helped wipe egg of the faces of the Republicans who said the whole issue of a 10 y/o being raped & forced to carry to term because of inability to get an abortion was faked..
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The big winner of the 2022 mid-terms.
Abortion rights. It is a huge motivating issue and a big winner for Dems.
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States that purport to be concerned about life and fetuses & children invest the least for maternal health, fetuses & children.
Its all theater.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/28/upshot/abortion-bans-states-social-services.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DKDmwSiPkNGIiH5wDEb615e9o02XGRTdladaQzTeB_1apEOEdsQg3tuZaehpUOLj5zqZ62Wil–aPxao0C0G2gaHileqA4zaejvhmCPX-6DaPUhnUlcxJjqJFnaV2p3SAXz__FRfpw2YR7ivl1AMsqEjkQdWLd6amTfhZ_ON-Fbh3c-1N2D7kfAWeP6Ibav7EQcwxSCkbESmd-4Qs_6dBfOdAXNcXvPkJqOZq-0fhKVDsefMr-DIYxRoPUi7xgrbTPzBSOw8K0zP48f75GXVkaY4fDAK355vSrdpVFCw&smid=url-share]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/28/upshot/abortion-bans-states-social-services.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DKDmwSiPkNGIiH5wDEb615e9o02XGRTdladaQzTeB_1apEOEdsQg3tuZaehpUOLj5zqZ62Wil–aPxao0C0G2gaHileqA4zaejvhmCPX-6DaPUhnUlcxJjqJFnaV2p3SAXz__FRfpw2YR7ivl1AMsqEjkQdWLd6amTfhZ_ON-Fbh3c-1N2D7kfAWeP6Ibav7EQcwxSCkbESmd-4Qs_6dBfOdAXNcXvPkJqOZq-0fhKVDsefMr-DIYxRoPUi7xgrbTPzBSOw8K0zP48f75GXVkaY4fDAK355vSrdpVFCw&smid=url-share[/link]States hostile to abortion fare worse on a variety of health and well-being outcomes, while states supportive of abortion rights tend to have a more generous social safety net.
In Mississippi, which brought the abortion case that ended Roe v. Wade before the Supreme Court, Gov. Tate Reeves vowed that the state would now [link=https://mailchi.mp/e9def19d2ac3/governor-tate-reeves-dobbs?e=ae3824fee2]take every step necessary to support mothers and children[/link].
Today, however, Mississippi fares poorly on just about any measure of that goal. Its infant and maternal mortality rates are among the worst in the nation.
State leaders have rejected the Affordable Care Acts Medicaid expansion, leaving an estimated [link=https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/closing-medicaid-coverage-gap-would-help-diverse-group-and-narrow-racial]43,000 women of reproductive age[/link]without health insurance. They have chosen not to extend Medicaid to women for a full year after giving birth. And they have a welfare program that gives some of the countrys least generous cash assistance a maximum [link=https://www.cbpp.org/blog/mississippi-raises-tanf-benefits-but-more-improvements-needed-especially-in-south]of $260 a month[/link] for a poor mother raising two children.
Mississippi embodies a national pattern: States that have banned abortion, or are expected to, have among the nations weakest social services for women and children, and have higher rates of death for infants and mothers.
According to a New York Times analysis, the 24 states that have banned abortion (or probably will) fare worse on a broad range of outcomes than states where abortion will probably remain legal, including child and maternal mortality, teenage birthrates and the share of women and children who are uninsured. The states likely to ban abortion either have laws predating Roe that ban abortion; have recently passed stringent restrictions; or have legislatures that are actively considering new bans.
You cant say Alabama gives very little cash assistance for low-income families with children because it cant afford the program, Mr. Parolin said. It has a TANF program, and its primarily funded by the federal government.
But in 2020, Alabama spent only [link=https://www.cbpp.org/research/family-income-support/state-fact-sheets-how-states-spend-funds-under-the-tanf-block-grant]about 8 percent of its welfare funds[/link] on direct cash assistance to families. Mississippi spent 5 percent. Instead, states often spend these grants on a wide range of other programs like pro-marriage advertising campaigns and abstinence-only sex education (in 2020, a state auditor in Mississippi found that [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/us/mississippi-lawyer-fired-welfare.html]the state misspent millions of federal welfare dollars[/link], including on speeches that were never delivered by [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/mississippi-department-human-services.html]the former quarterback Brett Favre[/link]).States with less generous safety-net programs also frequently use [link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/28/upshot/administrative-burden-quiz.html]complex rules and paperwork[/link] to [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/upshot/unemployment-state-restrictions-pandemic.html]further limit access to benefits[/link], said Sarah Bruch, a professor of social policy and sociology at the University of Delaware. States could help women and families, she said, not just by investing more in the safety net, but also by making it easier to find and use.
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[link=https://youtu.be/faTNMTVsgAA]https://youtu.be/faTNMTVsgAA[/link]
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[h1]Court Allows Abortion Ban to Take Effect in Michigan[/h1]
The Michigan Court of Appeals ruled that a court order that sought to bar enforcement of a dormant law criminalizing most abortions in Michigan does not apply to county prosecutors,” the [link=https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/01/michigan-abortion-injunction-court-appeals/7744390001/]Detroit Free Press[/link] reports.
The massively consequential ruling means the 1931 law banning all abortions except those done to protect the life of a pregnant person essentially takes effect immediately.
Ever since the Supreme Court reversed Roe v. Wade, Michigans Democratic officials have insisted that abortion remains legal there. Not anymore.
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Choice is every womans choice, and not the governments.
Kansas votes to preserve the right to an abortion in their state constitution by a resounding vote of support of 60%. The votes so support abortion rights came even in strictly Republican areas in rural parts of the state.
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60% in Kansas is surprising
I think the wingnuts may have overplayed their hand
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Yeah. That voters in a solidly Red state went pro-choice by such a large margin (and with high turnout) is encouraging.
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Yeah. That voters in a solidly Red state went pro-choice by such a large margin (and with high turnout) is encouraging.
That’s what ‘returning it to the states’ will get you.
Key here was that this was not a legislature. This was voters in the voting booth. Wives didn’t have to tell their husbands how they voted, rednecks with daughters didn’t have to tell their buddies how they voted.
Probably the best way to ensure availability of abortion in the US is to get elective abortion to the 12th week and a rape and genetic exemption to a later stage on the ballot.
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Yes, but what Red state now is going to open abortion rights to a referendum? None I bet as they certainly dont want to go on record of opposing most voters beliefs nor open the door of having to listen to those voters who dont believe the way their core religious fundamentalists do.
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Probably the best way to ban assault weapons is to put it on the referendum
Stay tuned
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Precisely why it would not be done and if it would be done and the ban is supported by the voters it would go to the Supreme Court where it is likely to be defeated considering the new justices.
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In quite a few states it only takes a few than signatures to get a referendum on the ballot
I have as few as 10,000 signatures
Not a lot
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