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President Elect Donald Trump?
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3 days ago–WSJ–Russia agrees with OPEC to cut production–get ready kids
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billionaire-generals-oil men—get ready for gas price to rise and rise–Russia desperate for price to go up–so agree to cut production
Actually, get ready for obstacles to production to fall and prices to drop.
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Rick Perry – the man who couldn’t remember that the Dept of Energy was one of the departments he wanted to eliminate from the federal gov’t during one of the presidential debates in 2012, is now the Secretary of Energy.
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3 days ago–WSJ–Russia agrees with OPEC to cut production–get ready kids
Great news. Thousands of wells around the country are waiting for hydraulic fracturing and completion. The dakota access pipeline is months from completion further reducing production cost in the Bakken. Put all the off-shore leases that the Obamites put off-limits back into play and we’ll have not only stable energy prices but also full employment in the energy states.
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$1.00 gallon of gas. Or less.
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3 days ago–WSJ–Russia agrees with OPEC to cut production–get ready kids
Great news. Thousands of wells around the country are waiting for hydraulic fracturing and completion. The dakota access pipeline is months from completion further reducing production cost in the Bakken. Put all the off-shore leases that the Obamites put off-limits back into play and we’ll have not only stable energy prices but also full employment in the energy states.
I think yesterday they were leasing mineral rights to Wayne National Forest in Ohio, which is a total joke in my mind. National parks are pretty awesome, I’d hate to see that get ruined by fracking and more oil drilling.
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Trump will be in violation of his lease agreement of the DC hotel the day he takes office–General Services Administration has informed the house..Ivanka Trump per huff post agreed upon the lease–same hotel that Trump has an upcoming deposition due to a suit he filed
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3 days ago–WSJ–Russia agrees with OPEC to cut production–get ready kids
Great news. Thousands of wells around the country are waiting for hydraulic fracturing and completion. The dakota access pipeline is months from completion further reducing production cost in the Bakken. Put all the off-shore leases that the Obamites put off-limits back into play and we’ll have not only stable energy prices but also full employment in the energy states.
I think yesterday they were leasing mineral rights to Wayne National Forest in Ohio, which is a total joke in my mind. National parks are pretty awesome, I’d hate to see that get ruined by fracking and more oil drilling.
Another Federal department Republicans would like to close down, the national Park Service. Then privatize it. All for the America people.
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I think yesterday they were leasing mineral rights to Wayne National Forest in Ohio, which is a total joke in my mind. National parks are pretty awesome, I’d hate to see that get ruined by fracking and more oil drilling.
National forests are not nature parks. Any citizen has the right to lease certain federal lands to extract minerals. It’s intended that way.
[i]Deposits of coal, phosphate, sodium, potassium, oil, oil shale, gilsonite (including all vein-type solid hydrocarbons), or gas, and lands containing such deposits owned by the United States, including those in national forests, but excluding lands acquired under the Appalachian Forest Act, approved March 1, 1911 ([link=http://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=36&page=961]36 Stat. 961[/link]), and those in incorporated cities, towns, and villages and in national parks and monuments, those acquired under other Acts subsequent to February 25, 1920, and lands within the naval petroleum and oil-shale reserves, except as hereinafter provided, shall be subject to disposition in the form and manner provided by this chapter to citizens of the United States, or to associations of such citizens, or to any corporation organized under the laws of the United States, or of any State or Territory thereof, or in the case of coal, oil, oil shale, or gas, to municipalities. [/i]
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I think yesterday they were leasing mineral rights to Wayne National Forest in Ohio, which is a total joke in my mind. National parks are pretty awesome, I’d hate to see that get ruined by fracking and more oil drilling.
National forests are not nature parks. Any citizen has the right to lease certain federal lands to extract minerals. It’s intended that way.
[i]Deposits of coal, phosphate, sodium, potassium, oil, oil shale, gilsonite (including all vein-type solid hydrocarbons), or gas, and lands containing such deposits owned by the United States, including those in national forests, but excluding lands acquired under the Appalachian Forest Act, approved March 1, 1911 ([link=http://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=36&page=961]36 Stat. 961[/link]), and those in incorporated cities, towns, and villages and in national parks and monuments, those acquired under other Acts subsequent to February 25, 1920, and lands within the naval petroleum and oil-shale reserves, except as hereinafter provided, shall be subject to disposition in the form and manner provided by this chapter to citizens of the United States, or to associations of such citizens, or to any corporation organized under the laws of the United States, or of any State or Territory thereof, or in the case of coal, oil, oil shale, or gas, to municipalities. [/i]
I love how they can write a whole paragraph without using a full stop.
I’ve been to Wayne National. It’s beautiful and pristine wilderness. Underline mine, this is the spirit I take from the national park system. It’s land set aside for enjoyment of the people, not for private business to come and yank out resources.
[link=https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/hisnps/NPSHistory/timeline_annotated.htm]https://www.nps.gov/parkh…timeline_annotated.htm[/link]
[b]Yellowstone National Park Act, 1872[/b] – The Act signed into law on March 1, 1872, established the world’s first true national park. It withdrew more than two million acres of the public domain in the Montana and Wyoming territories from settlement, occupancy, or sale to be [i][u][b]”dedicated and set apart as a public park or pleasuring-ground for the benefit and enjoyment of the people.”[/b][/u][/i] It placed the park under the control of the Secretary of the Interior and gave the Secretary responsibility for preserving all timber, mineral deposits, geologic wonders, and other resources within the park. The establishment of the park set a precedent for placing other natural reserves under federal jurisdiction.-
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I’ve been to Wayne National. It’s beautiful and pristine wilderness. Underline mine, this is the spirit I take from the national park system. It’s land set aside for enjoyment of the people, not for private business to come and yank out resources.
[link=https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/hisnps/NPSHistory/timeline_annotated.htm]https://www.nps.gov/parkh…timeline_annotated.htm[/link]
[b]Yellowstone National Park Act, 1872[/b] – The Act signed into law on March 1, 1872, established the world’s first true national park. It withdrew more than two million acres of the public domain in the Montana and Wyoming territories from settlement, occupancy, or sale to be [i][u][b]”dedicated and set apart as a public park or pleasuring-ground for the benefit and enjoyment of the people.”[/b][/u][/i] It placed the park under the control of the Secretary of the Interior and gave the Secretary responsibility for preserving all timber, mineral deposits, geologic wonders, and other resources within the park. The establishment of the park set a precedent for placing other natural reserves under federal jurisdiction.
Wayne National Forest is not a national park. It is a national forest administered by the forest service which is part of USDA. It is open to logging leases and minerals extraction. The only areas off limits are those federal lands designated as ‘wilderness’ and the national parks and monuments.
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I’ve been to Wayne National. It’s beautiful and pristine wilderness. Underline mine, this is the spirit I take from the national park system. It’s land set aside for enjoyment of the people, not for private business to come and yank out resources.
[link=https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/hisnps/NPSHistory/timeline_annotated.htm]https://www.nps.gov/parkh…timeline_annotated.htm[/link]
[b]Yellowstone National Park Act, 1872[/b] – The Act signed into law on March 1, 1872, established the world’s first true national park. It withdrew more than two million acres of the public domain in the Montana and Wyoming territories from settlement, occupancy, or sale to be [i][u][b]”dedicated and set apart as a public park or pleasuring-ground for the benefit and enjoyment of the people.”[/b][/u][/i] It placed the park under the control of the Secretary of the Interior and gave the Secretary responsibility for preserving all timber, mineral deposits, geologic wonders, and other resources within the park. The establishment of the park set a precedent for placing other natural reserves under federal jurisdiction.
Wayne National Forest is not a national park. It is a national forest administered by the forest service which is part of USDA. It is open to logging leases and minerals extraction. The only areas off limits are those federal lands designated as ‘wilderness’ and the national parks and monuments.
To me it’s largely the same thing. It unscathed wilderness, and it can be used by the public. If we start chopping it down, drilling it up for private use we get the same end result. Maybe we can sell fracking rights to mount Rushmore. They can go in through Teddy’s mustache.
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To me it’s largely the same thing. It unscathed wilderness, and it can be used by the public. If we start chopping it down, drilling it up for private use we get the same end result.
And a boat and a bicycle are largely the same thing too.
National parks are managed by the NPS and there are very tight restrictions on what can be done with them. Pretty much only concessions to further the recreational needs of the parks, e.g. the hotels in Yellowstone.
National forests are managed by the forest service with a number of different objectives. Recreation is one of them, generating revenue for the treasury is another. The law is clear that national forests are to be available for business activity. Logging, skiing areas, windmills, mines, drilling all are allowed uses.
According to what was posted above, it is far from unscathed and wilderness. Much of this leasing involves mineral rights that adjacent landowners need to complete well on their land, it doesn’t even involve drilling in the FS land.
Maybe we can sell fracking rights to mount Rushmore. They can go in through Teddy’s mustache.
As it is a national memorial administered by the NPS, that would now be possible. Chances are there are some scenic restrictions on the national forest land that surrounds it, just like there are scenic easements on land surrounding Mt Vernon. I have never looked into whether NPS leases mineral rights underneath their land.
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so Roof is found guilty and he is in a twitter spat with Vanity Fair–probably wants a cover pic–not very Presidential
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wonder if he and Kanye talked about medication for mania
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Jullian Assange just confirmed on live radio today with Hannity at the Podesta email source was NOT Russia. But I’m sure MSM will continue their speculation charade.
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like Assange it such a stand up guy for integrity–that is just pathetic
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Jullian Assange just confirmed on live radio today with Hannity at the Podesta email source was NOT Russia. But I’m sure MSM will continue their speculation charade.
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Jullian Assange just confirmed on live radio today with Hannity at the Podesta email source was NOT Russia. But I’m sure MSM will continue their speculation charade.
Wikileaks had that statement up on their website for weeks. It’s a bit of double-speak. The fact that they didn’t receive it from a state actor doesn’t rule out the possibility that the state did the hack and used a go-between to hand it to wikileaks.
There is also a chance that this was done by commercial hackers who then sold it to the russians who then used a go-between to disseminate it through wikileaks..Until the DNC staffer who did this comes forward with some proof that he pulled them off podestas account, Assanges words are just that.
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wonder if he and Kanye talked about medication for mania
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Wayne national Forest:
The originally forested land was cleared for agricultural and lumbering use in the late 18th and 19th century, but years of poor timbering and agricultural practices led to severe erosion and poor soil composition. The Wayne National Forest was started as part of a reforestation program.[6]
The forest comprises three administrative and purchase units: Athens, Marietta, and Ironton. Many of the lands included in the forest are former coal-mining lands, and much of this land is owned by the federal government without the mineral rights, those having been retained by former owners.
[link=http://backpackingchronicles.com/wayne-national-forest-future-home-fracking/]http://backpackingchronic…-future-home-fracking/[/link]
Wayne National Forest is a patchwork of public lands scattered among private land. Mineral rights for approximately 60% of the land are privately owned. The Bureau of Land Management controls drilling on federally protected lands like parts of WNF. It should be noted that oil and gas extraction has long taken place in the forest (about 1,250 conventional wells), however, these are mostly small and many are no longer active.
This has been a 10 year process; with Industry fighting to allow private owners the choice to utilize mineral rights. Shawn Bennett, executive vice president of the Ohio Oil and Gas Association, a trade group remarked, It opens up lands that are required to be leased by several federal statutes, and is a step in the right direction. Ohio Environmental groups on the other hand argue the negative impacts of fracking to the wildlife and water supply will be problematic. This decision is bad for wildlife, bad for recreation, and bad for the overall health of the Wayne, said Nathan Johnson, an attorney for the Ohio Environmental Council.
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Garth Brooks bails out on Trump–as an artist u cannot have your brand tarnish
the boycotts for The Apprentice/Burnett is on-
Hilary says her loss was due to fake news. Funny coming from the queen of fake news…….Benghazi video.
Dirty Harry says she lost because of Comey.
The democrats are really looking pathetic at this point. Its getting embarrassing. Its great if they believe
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[i]The democrats are really looking pathetic at this point. Its getting embarrassing. [/i]
Absolutely -they were all outraged, including the liberal Hillary lovers on AM, when Trump would not answer about the acceptance of the election results. Now the left has used Comey, Wikileaks, false news, Russian hacking, and now the “beautiful people” videotaping messages to the electoral college. There are congressman, who are sworn to uphold the constitution, making comments about the electoral college not voting for him and now reports Obama was concerned about the so called Russian involvement but did not say anything because he was so confident HRC would win.
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Hilary says her loss was due to fake news. Funny coming from the queen of fake news…….Benghazi video.
Dirty Harry says she lost because of Comey.
The democrats are really looking pathetic at this point. Its getting embarrassing. Its great if they believe
all this nonsense. I only hope they wheel Hilary back out
in 2020 for a third run.[size=”2″]”[size=”0″]A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”[/size][/size]
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no this is a stolen election–Bush versus Gore all over again
we have the most un popular President elect in history who had Russia and the FBI help him to win and has been caught in lie after lie and who refuses to divest–no one wants to sit still and let their country just be destroyedQuote from IR_CONSULT
Hilary says her loss was due to fake news. Funny coming from the queen of fake news…….Benghazi video.
Dirty Harry says she lost because of Comey.
The democrats are really looking pathetic at this point. Its getting embarrassing. Its great if they believe
all this nonsense. I only hope they wheel Hilary back out
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no this is a stolen election–Bush versus Gore all over again
we have the most un popular President elect in history who had Russia and the FBI help him to win and has been caught in lie after lie and who refuses to divest–no one wants to sit still and let their country just be destroyed
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So the party whose base perpetrated that Obama was a Muslim born In Kenya…… for 8 years are now butt hurt because the other side has a handful of people who haven’t gotten over the election in only 6 weeks
How about a great big…… STFU
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More sad that they view Putin and the Russian hacking as some heroic effort – for providing the simple truth. Putin is showing the Republicans “simply the truth.” There’s a sad joke there.
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Many people say that Putin will run in 2020
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Lets’s sum up the democrats response to the election results……
Unhinged. How many of you libs canceled your holiday party due
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can’t wait when the hacking turns against the GOP–cause there are a lot of skeletons to be unearth there and Trump info
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More sad that they view Putin and the Russian hacking as some heroic effort – for providing the simple truth. Putin is showing the Republicans “simply the truth.” There’s a sad joke there.
Maybe the Republicans in Congress will give Congressional Medal of Honor to Putin for his hacking.
Sad. Very sad.
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Vanity Fair diner had something fall on her while eating at Trump Grille–what a poetic metaphor of the crap that will fall upon the Trump voters in the future
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Donnie such a sensitive snowflake that he got in a twitter rant with a Vanity Fair writer who spoke of her dining experience at Trump Grille–that Ivanka salad looked sad and the way over cooked steak looked dead
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Um, I think it time for your Xanax bro. It’s over bro.
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the Trump supporters–are such sensitive snowflakes–they can’t take comments from a food critic–the steak looked burnt and the critic had something fall on her and so the waiter gives her a complimentary dessert that is 75% whip creme and 25% cake( change we don’t believe in)
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like he can’t go to security briefings but he can tweet because a food critic wrote her opinion–not Presidential–#illegitimatePresident_#notmyPresident
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#SLNNotCopingWell_#UnAmerican_#FreeToLeaveTheCountry
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well actually the free loading red sates and Trump need me– at least I am paying taxes
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#SLNNotCopingWell_#UnAmerican_#FreeToLeaveTheCountry
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fight–fight fight
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Electoral college is protection against group-think, a well known phenomenon in human beings. Live among a hoard of militant liberals in Cali and you are much more likely to vote liberal for a variety of reasons, many of which you may not even understand or consciously be aware of. Electoral college prevents one large volume of voters who are susceptible to group-think (i.e. Cali, NYC) from drowning out other voters who are outside those bubbles of herd mentality. It is actually a brilliant system and must give tremendous props to those who created it so long ago for tremendous foresight into the psychological/social biases that are created from group-think.
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the electoral college was started to appease Southern slave states–blacks could not vote but were counted as 2/3 person to help the south–it is a representation of America’s original sin and now the south wants to sell out to Russia–very pathetic
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Electoral college is protection against group-think, a well known phenomenon in human beings. Live among a hoard of militant liberals in Cali and you are much more likely to vote liberal for a variety of reasons, many of which you may not even understand or consciously be aware of. Electoral college prevents one large volume of voters who are susceptible to group-think (i.e. Cali, NYC) from drowning out other voters who are outside those bubbles of herd mentality. It is actually a brilliant system and must give tremendous props to those who created it so long ago for tremendous foresight into the psychological/social biases that are created from group-think.
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a third of republican voters approve of Putin–recent poll–party of Reagan–quite sad
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Electoral college is protection against group-think, a well known phenomenon in human beings. Live among a hoard of militant liberals in Cali and you are much more likely to vote liberal for a variety of reasons, many of which you may not even understand or consciously be aware of. Electoral college prevents one large volume of voters who are susceptible to group-think (i.e. Cali, NYC) from drowning out other voters who are outside those bubbles of herd mentality. It is actually a brilliant system and must give tremendous props to those who created it so long ago for tremendous foresight into the psychological/social biases that are created from group-think.
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Losers that cheat to win. You must talking about HRC and her conspiring with the DNC to beat Bernie. Or were you referring to Donna Brazile when working w the Clinton news network sending her questions that she would be asked at town hall or were you talking about the media working w her campaign staff. Anymore whining you want to do? Maybe your local college will let you use one of the therapy dogs the students used after the election.
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Losers that cheat to win. You must talking about HRC and her conspiring with the DNC to beat Bernie. Or were you referring to Donna Brazile when working w the Clinton news network sending her questions that she would be asked at town hall or were you talking about the media working w her campaign staff. Anymore whining you want to do? Maybe your local college will let you use one of the therapy dogs the students used after the election.
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Losers that cheat to win. You must talking about HRC and her conspiring with the DNC to beat Bernie. Or were you referring to Donna Brazile when working w the Clinton news network sending her questions that she would be asked at town hall or were you talking about the media working w her campaign staff. Anymore whining you want to do? Maybe your local college will let you use one of the therapy dogs the students used after the election.
That’s one of the most interesting parts about the Podesta emails. The press and the DNC are one and the same.
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Losers that cheat to win. You must talking about HRC and her conspiring with the DNC to beat Bernie. Or were you referring to Donna Brazile when working w the Clinton news network sending her questions that she would be asked at town hall or were you talking about the media working w her campaign staff. Anymore whining you want to do? Maybe your local college will let you use one of the therapy dogs the students used after the election.
That’s one of the most interesting parts about the Podesta emails. The press and the DNC are one and the same.
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we are doomed–what school did Trump graduate from–needs to leave twitter alone and divest
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due to Trump birther nonsense–the #notmyPresident/#illegitamatePresident will live on for eternity–we will give him the bush treatment on steroids–Keith Olbermann is back–let the criticism begin
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He (SLN) bragged how he went to see her on a campaign stop in California got her picture and like the media and Obama and others they were so sure she was winning. She was a flawed candidate his HRC picture is of a candidate that had nothing to offer while the dems rolled over and coronated her and now they all cry foul. Boo hoo they lost now let’s delegitimize the winner because we are poor whiny losers. LMFAO
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losers that cheat to win–
they should have talked about the las vegas Trump restaurant that had to shut down due to health violationsQuote from Ixrayu
He (SLN) bragged how he went to see her on a campaign stop in California got her picture and like the media and Obama and others they were so sure she was winning. She was a flawed candidate his HRC picture is of a candidate that had nothing to offer while the dems rolled over and coronated her and now they all cry foul. Boo hoo they lost now let’s delegitimize the winner because we are poor whiny losers. LMFAO
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can’t wait to when GOP gets hacked by Russia
pretty certain they know every call Trump has made in the last year
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it would be interesting if some of the russian oligarchs got a christmas surprise with their bank accounts being hacked
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so pathetic that this is your only arguement to the recent events on Russian hacking
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Losers that cheat to win. You must talking about HRC and her conspiring with the DNC to beat Bernie. Or were you referring to Donna Brazile when working w the Clinton news network sending her questions that she would be asked at town hall or were you talking about the media working w her campaign staff. Anymore whining you want to do? Maybe your local college will let you use one of the therapy dogs the students used after the election.
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It is a valid argument — HRC cheated her way to the nomination. She is the biggest political loser in history of the US, first losing nomination to a unknown black guy with a funny name (his words not mine) when she was heavily favored, then loses the presidency to Donal f-ing Trump of all people when she was the overwhelming favorite — Dems got what they deserved by putting up such a terrible / disliked candidate. The problem is the Democratic establishment, they need to format and reboot the party starting at the top.
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the republican party needs to be rebooted as well–they are on life support as well
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It is a valid argument — HRC cheated her way to the nomination. She is the biggest political loser in history of the US, first losing nomination to a unknown black guy with a funny name (his words not mine) when she was heavily favored, then loses the presidency to Donal f-ing Trump of all people when she was the overwhelming favorite — Dems got what they deserved by putting up such a terrible / disliked candidate. The problem is the Democratic establishment, they need to format and reboot the party starting at the top.
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It is a valid argument — HRC cheated her way to the nomination. She is the biggest political loser in history of the US, first losing nomination to a unknown black guy with a funny name (his words not mine) when she was heavily favored, then loses the presidency to Donal f-ing Trump of all people when she was the overwhelming favorite — Dems got what they deserved by putting up such a terrible / disliked candidate. The problem is the Democratic establishment, they need to format and reboot the party starting at the top.
The losers losing continues! She just managed to have the MOST faithless electors today for a Presidential candidate in over 100 years! She went from 232 to 227 (there were 8 in 1912). The media told me Trump was supposed to be the one losing electors. Darn Russians!!
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The losers losing continues! She just managed to have the MOST faithless electors today for a Presidential candidate in over 100 years! She went from 232 to 227 (there were 8 in 1912). The media told me Trump was supposed to be the one losing electors. Darn Russians!!
That’s outright funny. Just like the phony recount effort in Wisconsin where she lost more votes than Trump. The russians, the russians, must be the russians. Or Comey, Comey did it, the letter, the letter its all in the letter. Squirrel !-
While mocking Hillary is always fun because she is such a terrible human being, it alarms me there are faithless electors from both sides.
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While mocking Hillary is always fun because she is such a terrible human being, it alarms me there are faithless electors from both sides.
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Resist President Birtherism.
More than ever I feel that Democrats should follow Newt’s and especially Boehner’s & McConnell’s playbooks in resisting Trump. No cooperation except for real accomplishments for the country, but even then carefully, very carefully. But that list is sure to be very brief if it ever exists at all. Trump’s economic goals will be a new variation of Supply-Side, making him and his Cabinet and the other Oligarchs richer at the expense of regular Americans, the 99%. The prime goal for this Administration is to repeat McConnell, is to make Trump a single term President.
The primary goal is to get Democrats to show up regularly and create a bench.
Wonder how healthcare will fare considering Trump hates physicians and the repeal of the ACA. What will replace it? The rabbit still in the hat.
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Resist President Birtherism.
More than ever I feel that Democrats should follow Newt’s and especially Boehner’s & McConnell’s playbooks in resisting Trump. No cooperation except for real accomplishments for the country, but even then carefully, very carefully.
Get your point but isn’t this what partially got Trump (“outsider”) elected? When in the minority, dems/repubs obstruct (bc majority’s agenda is not in line with theirs). When in the majority, they complain of lack about cooperation from the minority. Broken system…9 dem senators in red states up for re-eection 2018 will likely play a big role in success/failure of getting things passed-
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Resist President Birtherism.
More than ever I feel that Democrats should follow Newt’s and especially Boehner’s & McConnell’s playbooks in resisting Trump. No cooperation except for real accomplishments for the country, but even then carefully, very carefully.
Get your point but isn’t this what partially got Trump (“outsider”) elected? When in the minority, dems/repubs obstruct (bc majority’s agenda is not in line with theirs). When in the majority, they complain of lack about cooperation from the minority. Broken system…9 dem senators in red states up for re-eection 2018 will likely play a big role in success/failure of getting things passed
McConnell showed how successful obstruction can be. It’s not as if he wanted to be constructive, his goal was exactly the opposite.
Another reason Trump was elected is precisely because all the institutions have been destroyed or undermined. There is no “truth” anymore or anyone telling any objective truth as Trump’s minion explicitly stated on TV not long ago. So most people no longer seek out differing opinions and analysis, they find the media that justifies their a priori beliefs, regardless of any “facts.” I don’t expect this incoming Administration to be bound by any facts, they have never let facts trip them & their supporters yet. So we have birtherism & Hillary running a child sex slave operation out of a pizzeria and her email server where she sold secrets, except it hasn’t been shown to my memory that her server was hacked, only that it “possibly” was by those who did not like Hillary. No evidence but who needs evidence to convict Hillary?
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Amazing how many Tea Bagger Trumpists don’t know their Constitution.
[link=https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions]https://www.archives.gov/…tors.html#restrictions[/link]There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categoriesElectors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties’ nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called “faithless Electors” may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.
Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party’s candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.
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Amazing how many Tea Bagger Trumpists don’t know their Constitution.
[link=https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions]https://www.archives.gov/…tors.html#restrictions[/link]
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categoriesElectors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties’ nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called “faithless Electors” may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.
Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party’s candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.
There is actually an open question if the fines levied by states are constitutional. I know of several constitutional experts that think it is unconstitutional…but has never been tested.It is all academic any way.
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There is actually an open question if the fines levied by states are constitutional. I know of several constitutional experts that think it is unconstitutional…but has never been tested.
It is all academic any way.
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The only way it would ever get tested is if the Democratic fantasy had been true & Trump would have lost 37 electoral votes, then we’d see a Supreme Court fight and decision likely.
In the absence of actually changing an expected outcome, it is all academic.
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Resist President Birtherism.
More than ever I feel that Democrats should follow Newt’s and especially Boehner’s & McConnell’s playbooks in resisting Trump. No cooperation except for real accomplishments for the country, but even then carefully, very carefully.
Get your point but isn’t this what partially got Trump (“outsider”) elected? When in the minority, dems/repubs obstruct (bc majority’s agenda is not in line with theirs). When in the majority, they complain of lack about cooperation from the minority. Broken system…9 dem senators in red states up for re-eection 2018 will likely play a big role in success/failure of getting things passed
McConnell showed how successful obstruction can be. It’s not as if he wanted to be constructive, his goal was exactly the opposite.
Another reason Trump was elected is precisely because all the institutions have been destroyed or undermined.[b] There is no “truth” anymore or anyone telling any objective truth as Trump’s minion explicitly stated on TV not long ago. So most people no longer seek out differing opinions and analysis, they find the media that justifies their a priori beliefs, regardless of any “facts.”[/b] I don’t expect this incoming Administration to be bound by any facts, they have never let facts trip them & their supporters yet. So we have birtherism & Hillary running a child sex slave operation out of a pizzeria and her email server where she sold secrets, except it hasn’t been shown to my memory that her server was hacked, only that it “possibly” was by those who did not like Hillary. No evidence but who needs evidence to convict Hillary?
“Fact checking?” Just more liberals lying.
Facts are colored by one’s point of view-that is true with both parties/sides (eg. payment to Iran, bribe versus concurrent but separate deal?)…I watch both Fox and CNN and see their spin on facts…world/reality is complicated, it’s highly improbable that either side/party is “correct” on all the issues/viewpoints while the other party is totally wrong. Problem is we are growing more divisive/partisan with an us versus them mentality where a moderate, more compromising approach is what is needed…repubs feel like a lot of stuff was rammed down their throats past 8 years, now they will likely do the same-
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Facts are colored by one’s point of view-that is true with both parties/sides (eg. payment to Iran, bribe versus concurrent but separate deal?)…I watch both Fox and CNN and see their spin on facts…world/reality is complicated, it’s highly improbable that either side/party is “correct” on all the issues/viewpoints while the other party is totally wrong. Problem is we are growing more divisive/partisan with an us versus them mentality where a moderate, more compromising approach is what is needed…repubs feel like a lot of stuff was rammed down their throats past 8 years, now they will likely do the same
First thing, objectivity can be a sliding scale depending. I read the news in WSJ & Washington Post & NYTimes & expect news knowing each publication has its “slant.”
When you watch FOX or MSNBC & CNN, you already know you are feeding obvious bias. Why are you surprised. How can you be surprised? Or is it your entertainment, rather “infotainment?”
When I read opinion pages in NYTimes and Washington Post and WSJ especially regular contributors, I know their viewpoint. But you should be able to realize that one man’s roof is another man’s floor, so you can read opposite views of the same issue & realize you are seeing it from opposite viewpoints. It’s Roshomon not lies.
There is nothing wrong with viewpoint, it’s propaganda & invented facts that’s the problem. Obama being born in Kenya, the government confiscating your guns, Hillary running a child sex slave operation in a pizzeria is propaganda, not just simple point of view.
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Facts are colored by one’s point of view-that is true with both parties/sides (eg. payment to Iran, bribe versus concurrent but separate deal?)…I watch both Fox and CNN and see their spin on facts…world/reality is complicated, it’s highly improbable that either side/party is “correct” on all the issues/viewpoints while the other party is totally wrong. Problem is we are growing more divisive/partisan with an us versus them mentality where a moderate, more compromising approach is what is needed…repubs feel like a lot of stuff was rammed down their throats past 8 years, now they will likely do the same
First thing, objectivity can be a sliding scale depending. I read the news in WSJ & Washington Post & NYTimes & expect news knowing each publication has its “slant.”
When you watch FOX or MSNBC & CNN, you already know you are feeding obvious bias. Why are you surprised. How can you be surprised? Or is it your entertainment, rather “infotainment?”
When I read opinion pages in NYTimes and Washington Post and WSJ especially regular contributors, I know their viewpoint. But you should be able to realize that one man’s roof is another man’s floor, so you can read opposite views of the same issue & realize you are seeing it from opposite viewpoints. It’s Roshomon not lies.
There is nothing wrong with viewpoint, it’s propaganda & invented facts that’s the problem. Obama being born in Kenya, the government confiscating your guns, Hillary running a child sex slave operation in a pizzeria is propaganda, not just simple point of view.
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Think both parties do this. Remember Biden’s “They’re going to put y’all back in chains.”
Everyone commits crimes, some jaywalk some steal through fraud.
Everything is not equivalent. Wasn’t “equivalency” a complaint the Right had about the Left in the past? Now it’s the Right’s explanation for everything, especially when cornered, “Everything sucks, everyone does it.” Yes, everyone is imperfect but every action is not equivalent.
This is how the de-legitimizing of institutions and ethics and government is done, everything and everyone is equivalently bad. Kind of a Communist excuse, everything is equally bad. Speaking of which that is Putin’s explanation, who is America to complain of Putin’s & Russia’s actions he asks.
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While mocking Hillary is always fun because she is such a terrible human being, it alarms me there are faithless electors from both sides.
I agree that the electoral college needs to get fixed. Automatically cast the votes of the electors to eliminate this drama.
On NPR they had interviewed some electors from Washington who voted for Colin Powell. Talk about a big FU to the voters of Washington.
“Hillary Clinton won the states popular vote, but three of 12 members of the Electoral College voted for Colin Powell, a former secretary of state; and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American elder from South Dakota.”
[link=http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/four-washington-electors-break-ranks-and-dont-vote-for-clinton/]http://www.seattletimes.c…dont-vote-for-clinton/[/link]-
The Founders deliberately created the Electors to be able to vote independently of the popular vote. The electors are not bound by the popular vote regardless of the state’s laws & I believe no one was ever punished or prosecuted for voting other than the popular vote in all the nation’s history if if someone was it likely would not stand Constitutional muster by the Supremes.
So-called “faithless electors” was exactly how the founders intended, for good or bad.
And the question is why would a rubber stamp program be set up in the 1st place? At the time the Constitution was written there was 1 person, 1 vote and the number of electors and representatives did actually represent the population unlike today’s number that is artificially limited to 435 representatives. The formula for apportionment is not simple or representative.
[link=http://www.fairvote.org/population_vs_electoral_votes]http://www.fairvote.org/p…ion_vs_electoral_votes[/link]Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, [b]on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people. However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming’s three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318%[/b] (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).
This is just one way of looking at the Electoral College and the way voters are represented in presidential elections, however. A better way of measuring a voter’s clout in a presidential election is simply whether or not they live in a swing state. Those voters that live in “spectator states” essentially have no clout, as candidates know that the outcomes in those states are already decided. There is very little incentive to campaign in those states or respond to the needs of those voters.National Popular Vote provides analysis of this spectator status for most voters by highlighting the fact that most of the 2016 presidential campaign took place in just 4 states. Rob Richie and Andrea Levien of FairVote documented this inequality in the 2012 presidential campaign in a Presidential Studies Quarterly article in 2013 as well.
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On NPR they had interviewed some electors from Washington who voted for Colin Powell. Talk about a big FU to the voters of Washington.
“Hillary Clinton won the states popular vote, but three of 12 members of the Electoral College voted for Colin Powell, a former secretary of state; and one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American elder from South Dakota.”
[link=http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/four-washington-electors-break-ranks-and-dont-vote-for-clinton/]http://www.seattletimes.c…dont-vote-for-clinton/[/link]
Bunch of idiots. Let’s assume Trump would have lost substantial numbers of electors, the Bernie crybabies could have cost Clinton the planned coup.
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The Founders deliberately created the Electors to be able to vote independently of the popular vote. The electors are not bound by the popular vote regardless of the state’s laws & I believe no one was ever punished or prosecuted for voting other than the popular vote in all the nation’s history if if someone was it likely would not stand Constitutional muster by the Supremes.
Agree, they can vote for whomever. However, not following the popular vote and just tossing some random vote for Colin Powell and Spotted Eagle is kind of a douche move. At least according to this site the electors of Washington were bound to follow the popular vote. But it looks like all that could happen is they might get fined.
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The Founders deliberately created the Electors to be able to vote independently of the popular vote. The electors are not bound by the popular vote regardless of the state’s laws & I believe no one was ever punished or prosecuted for voting other than the popular vote in all the nation’s history if if someone was it likely would not stand Constitutional muster by the Supremes.
Agree, they can vote for whomever. However, not following the popular vote and just tossing some random vote for Colin Powell and Spotted Eagle is kind of a douche move. At least according to this site the electors of Washington were bound to follow the popular vote. But it looks like all that could happen is they might get fined.
[link=http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967]http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967[/link]
Not even. Fining would just be compounding pettiness on politics.
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the electoral college was built on appeasing the south/ the slave states
but I do think the Washington elector with their Colin Powell pick is just stupid
granted Bernie won that states caucus but when a democratic primary was held–HRC won and she was endorsed by Powell—-a very confused elector
but Washington also proves that the caucus system needs to go–i
also libertarians and independents need to run in their own separate party and not leech of the system–Rand and Bernie got way to much special treatment to run in parties that they really are not a part of
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The Founders deliberately created the Electors to be able to vote independently of the popular vote. The electors are not bound by the popular vote regardless of the state’s laws & I believe no one was ever punished or prosecuted for voting other than the popular vote in all the nation’s history if if someone was it likely would not stand Constitutional muster by the Supremes.
Agree, they can vote for whomever. However, not following the popular vote and just tossing some random vote for Colin Powell and Spotted Eagle is kind of a douche move. At least according to this site the electors of Washington were bound to follow the popular vote. But it looks like all that could happen is they might get fined.
[link=http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967]http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967[/link]
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the electoral college was built on appeasing the south/ the slave states
This is opinion more than fact, but that doesn’t mean, now that slavery has been long ago abolished, and the Civil Rights Movement have given blacks equal voting rights, that the system itself is not still a valuable check against the tyranny of the majority. It has many other merits that are still valid today. For example, it prevents one or two very populous states, like California or New York, to override the voices of the people in all the states with smaller populations. In this cycle, removing the Los Angeles area counties and those around San Francisco alone from the popular vote totals would give Trump the popular vote too.
It also keeps the two party system alive, as spitting the popular vote three ways in a close election could mean nearly two-thirds of the voters in the country didn’t vote for the winner.
By having the electoral college system, a candidate has to modify their extreme views that gives them the edge in a few large cities, or states, to attract a more diverse electorate.
And lets all be honest. Had Trump won the popular vote, but loss the electoral college, Clinton supporters would be praising the electoral college as the greatest institution EVER! The system belongs to the entire nation and has served us well. We should not abandon it when every once in awhile there is a statistical aberration. Both parties knew the rules of the game going in. Every major news network used some version of “race to 270”, not “race to 50% + one vote” in covering the campaigns as well. Clinton made the mistake of spending too much time and raising too much money in rich states that she was going to win anyway, and ignored the rust belt states that had been reliably blue in the past. It was very much noticed and the abandoned voters turned to someone who actually showed up and spoke to them.
Maybe next time she will learn.
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This is opinion more than fact, but that doesn’t mean, now that slavery has been long ago abolished, and the Civil Rights Movement have given blacks equal voting rights, that the system itself is not still a valuable check against the tyranny of the majority.
Hmmm, using your own logic, there is no tyranny since it is outlawed and has been.
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Michael Moore:- Donald Trump is going to get us killed
Not if he moves to Canada as he promised.
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Michael Moore:- Donald Trump is going to get us killed
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And now Trump murdered a tree! Where will it end?
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did the hits ever stop on President Obama/Clinton or Secretary Clinton—as Michelle Obama said to Oprah–sometimes you just got to brush it off and not respond because the hits will keep on coming but then again Trump kept with the birther nonsense for how long
Boycott The Apprentice/Burnett/ Arnold/Sponsors
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And now Trump murdered a tree! Where will it end?
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did Trump’s sons start non-profit in Texas–with packages offered at various prices for a meet and greet–???drain the swamp
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what does Russia have on Trump????
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did Trump’s sons start non-profit in Texas–with packages offered at various prices for a meet and greet–???drain the swamp
It’s a non-profit, so the contributions are not to the politician personally. So there is no problem, right ? Could be 10s or 100eds of millions of dollars and there would be no conflict of interest at all, none whatsoever.-
PAY to play–drain the swamp..when pigs fly
why say oh we don’t know how their names got on there with respect to the legal docs–not kosher–the swamp will swell
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did Trump’s sons start non-profit in Texas–with packages offered at various prices for a meet and greet–???drain the swamp
It’s a non-profit, so the contributions are not to the politician personally. So there is no problem, right ? Could be 10s or 100eds of millions of dollars and there would be no conflict of interest at all, none whatsoever.
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PAY to play–drain the swamp..when pigs fly
why say oh we don’t know how their names got on there with respect to the legal docs–not kosher–the swamp will swell
again they way to nip this in the bud is for the state to confiscate all profits as gifts and belonging to the USRight after the state confiscates every dollar contributed to the Clinton foundation from 18 months before she became secretary of state to the day she left office. Those contributions are all fruits of her pay to play scheme and subject to forfeiture.
Once the state has issued the warrants for that money, they can look into the small foundations and nonprofits tied to the Trump family.
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PAY to play–drain the swamp..when pigs fly
why say oh we don’t know how their names got on there with respect to the legal docs–not kosher–the swamp will swell
again they way to nip this in the bud is for the state to confiscate all profits as gifts and belonging to the USRight after the state confiscates every dollar contributed to the Clinton foundation from 18 months before she became secretary of state to the day she left office. Those contributions are all fruits of her pay to play scheme and subject to forfeiture.
Once the state has issued the warrants for that money, they can look into the small foundations and nonprofits tied to the Trump family.
there’s a lot of bad looks surrounding Trump at this point. Like the Ivanka coffee date, or this million dollar donation dinner that’s been on the news. You’d think the lil’ Trumpsters could stay down incognito.
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there’s a lot of bad looks surrounding Trump at this point. Like the Ivanka coffee date, or this million dollar donation dinner that’s been on the news. You’d think the lil’ Trumpsters could stay down incognito.
‘Per plate’ fundraising dinners are a staple of American politics, that is how Obama, Clinton, Bush all raised the hundreds of millions needed to run a campaign. It is disingenuous to single out trump for doing this.
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there’s a lot of bad looks surrounding Trump at this point. Like the Ivanka coffee date, or this million dollar donation dinner that’s been on the news. You’d think the lil’ Trumpsters could stay down incognito.
‘Per plate’ fundraising dinners are a staple of American politics, that is how Obama, Clinton, Bush all raised the hundreds of millions needed to run a campaign. It is disingenuous to single out trump for doing this.
here was my take. His kids are using their father’s status to raise money for their own charity. We all know the Trump charities are solid right? No problems with Trump charities at all. I don’t recall Malia or Sasha using BO their father’s status to hold a dinner. It’s a bad look for Johnny Swamp Drainer.
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here was my take. His kids are using their father’s status to raise money for their own charity.
Silly example. We haven’t had a president with adult kids in a while and those adult kids were not tied into their dad’s business. (e.g. GWB and Jeb).
Trumps kids seem to be pretty squared away and work for their dad.
Roger Clinton Jr Hugh and Anthony Rodham otoh just leech off their white house relatives. It’s not for lack of trying though, both Tony and Hugh tried to convert their whitehouse connection into no-show foreign business deals. Oh wait, and then Bill Clinton pardoned his brother and expunged his cocaine conviction.
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see why are news reports from the Tramp camp that oh the sons names were put on the docs by mistake–like oh the kids are idiot –looking for money and we got our hands caught in the cookie jar–would he like to see his kids have to go before hearings explaining their actions?????
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there’s a lot of bad looks surrounding Trump at this point. Like the Ivanka coffee date, or this million dollar donation dinner that’s been on the news. You’d think the lil’ Trumpsters could stay down incognito.
‘Per plate’ fundraising dinners are a staple of American politics, that is how Obama, Clinton, Bush all raised the hundreds of millions needed to run a campaign. It is disingenuous to single out trump for doing this.
here was my take. His kids are using their father’s status to raise money for their own charity. We all know the Trump charities are solid right? No problems with Trump charities at all. I don’t recall Malia or Sasha using BO their father’s status to hold a dinner. It’s a bad look for Johnny Swamp Drainer.
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see why are news reports from the Tramp camp that oh the sons names were put on the docs by mistake–like oh the kids are idiot –looking for money and we got our hands caught in the cookie jar–would he like to see his kids have to go before hearings explaining their actions?????
For the last year we have been told that fundraising for a charity like the Clinton foundation is a-ok and can’t possibly create a conflict of interest. Neither of his sons is part of the administration so even if they did headline this charity event it is not a ‘hand in the cookie jar’ as the money doesn’t go to them. -
they are part of the transition team
it is such a clear pay to play( gotta make those monthly mortgage payments–so pimp dad all the way)
and if they thought it was so legit then why the quick reversal and oh the sons names were put on the legal docs by accident
you continue tO use HRC BUT she is not President elect nor do two wrongs don’t make a right–AND he campaigned on drain the swamp.
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see why are news reports from the Tramp camp that oh the sons names were put on the docs by mistake–like oh the kids are idiot –looking for money and we got our hands caught in the cookie jar–would he like to see his kids have to go before hearings explaining their actions?????
For the last year we have been told that fundraising for a charity like the Clinton foundation is a-ok and can’t possibly create a conflict of interest. Neither of his sons is part of the administration so even if they did headline this charity event it is not a ‘hand in the cookie jar’ as the money doesn’t go to them.
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Donald bought his kids into this situation so they have to be subject to observation and possible hearings–Connie got drag in and remember code Pink–HRC got dragged in–
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people who go to any fundraisers need to know if money will somehow be used to pay off 25 mill Trump U case or still unknown DC hotel case
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people who go to any fundraisers need to know if money will somehow be used to pay off 25 mill Trump U case
He pays that from the postage drawer.
or still unknown DC hotel case
On the upside, today he signed a deal with the unions to represent his hotel workers in Vegas and DC. He is getting rid of distractions in a hurry. Good for those hotel workers, without him becoming president he would have continued to ignore them. Gives him free hand to stuff the NLRB with union hostile appointees.
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pretty pathetic that u would use HRC to defend him since he ran on a campaign that he would not do that and he would drain the swamp( deutch bank/chinese investors are saying u betta make that monthly payment( B###ch betta have my money))—-no the state department needs to confiscate all property as gifts and thus belonging to the USA and we the people
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PAY to play–drain the swamp..when pigs fly
why say oh we don’t know how their names got on there with respect to the legal docs–not kosher–the swamp will swell
again they way to nip this in the bud is for the state to confiscate all profits as gifts and belonging to the USRight after the state confiscates every dollar contributed to the Clinton foundation from 18 months before she became secretary of state to the day she left office. Those contributions are all fruits of her pay to play scheme and subject to forfeiture.
Once the state has issued the warrants for that money, they can look into the small foundations and nonprofits tied to the Trump family.
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Michael Moore:- Donald Trump is going to get us killed
Not if he moves to Canada as he promised.
I paid 28,800 dollars in federal and state taxes alone. Not to mention hundreds in gasoline tax, and 2800 dollars in property taxes. What more do you want?
Perhaps we could finally do away with the carried interest loophole, and the wall street hedge and fund managers, you know those guys who are multi-millionaires and billionaires- then they can pay more taxes than the secretaries they employ. (yeah, yeah, i Know it’s a percentage…)
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Michael Moore:- Donald Trump is going to get us killed
Not if he moves to Canada as he promised.
I don’t agree with Moore on pretty much anything, but he is not a dumb guy. When everyone was ordering fireworks for the Hillary victory party, he kept saying that Trump will sweep the rust belt.
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We will remember that while the plot to kill Americans was being hatched, your time was consumed by whom you saw as the real threat to America: Alec Baldwin in a wig, [/i]The only way you can come up with ‘Donald Trump is getting us killed’ is if you only skim the headlines in the HuffPo.
But he is right on that point. Trump is easily distracted and needs to focus on things that matter, not restaurant reviews or poorly executed comedy. He’ll probably keep tweeting as the president, he should probably limit his use of the tool to the times he needs to whip the Republicans in congress into shape, not for responses to personal slights.
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Michael Moore:- Donald Trump is going to get us killed
Not if he moves to Canada as he promised.
I don’t agree with Moore on pretty much anything, but he is not a dumb guy. When everyone was ordering fireworks for the Hillary victory party, he kept saying that Trump will sweep the rust belt.
And the complete quote is :
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We will remember that while the plot to kill Americans was being hatched, your time was consumed by whom you saw as the real threat to America: Alec Baldwin in a wig, [/i]The only way you can come up with ‘Donald Trump is getting us killed’ is if you only skim the headlines in the HuffPo.
But he is right on that point. Trump is easily distracted and needs to focus on things that matter, not restaurant reviews or poorly executed comedy. He’ll probably keep tweeting as the president, he should probably limit his use of the tool to the times he needs to whip the Republicans in congress into shape, not for responses to personal slights.
This has been Trump’s focus and method of response for decades, since the 1970’s, why change now. . That is in fact a Trump brag, that he isn’t going to change. Before Twit there was just general media publicity and the belief that there is no such thing as bad publicity
He is not going to change short of a Paul Epiphany lightening strike hitting him. Even then, his auto-response will be to twit his feelings. “Dear God” in 140 characters…
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SLN seeing how you are all over his kids you forget to post the Wikileak email where it was revealed that the Foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding. Why did you not post how she came right of college and secured a $600K at NBC and after 4 months had done one story or how she must be such as successful negotiator because she and her hubby paid few hundred thousand less for her NYC condo compared to everyone else that lives in the building. Or how about the Clinton’s purchased the house next door so Chelsea can visit on the weekends. Another whiny sore loser post – get over it – its done. For every post you make the Clintons have done the same thing and probably worse.
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again point is mute when a candidate campaigns on sweep the swamp and had said he would divest–accept the facts–now that he is president -he will have more scrutiny just like hRC would if she had won–in fact the GOP would probably be out in front stating they will be having hearings and possible impeachment on the foundation/Benghazi and her toe had she won
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SLN seeing how you are all over his kids you forget to post the Wikileak email where it was revealed that the Foundation paid for Chelsea’s wedding. Why did you not post how she came right of college and secured a $600K at NBC and after 4 months had done one story or how she must be such as successful negotiator because she and her hubby paid few hundred thousand less for her NYC condo compared to everyone else that lives in the building. Or how about the Clinton’s purchased the house next door so Chelsea can visit on the weekends. Another whiny sore loser post – get over it – its done. For every post you make the Clintons have done the same thing and probably worse.
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and the real hypocrisy is the GOP will drag their feet on Russia hearings but may just do another Benghazi one just for the heck of it–stupid
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they are part of the transition team
Which is not a part of the federal government. They can fundraise for third parties all they want.
you continue tO use HRC BUT she is not President elect nor do two wrongs don’t make a right–
Oh, so you have finally come around to realize that what she did was corrupt. Well there is your answer why she lost.
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no just pointing out why your reasoning is a big fail–they got caught with a 1 mill meet and greet pay to play imho and then tried to weasel out that their names were wrongfully placed on docs filed in taxes–poor Trump voters –even Newt says drain the swamp comments by Trump was to be just CUTE–so pathetic
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they are part of the transition team
Which is not a part of the federal government. They can fundraise for third parties all they want.
you continue tO use HRC BUT she is not President elect nor do two wrongs don’t make a right–
Oh, so you have finally come around to realize that what she did was corrupt. Well there is your answer why she lost.
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half blind trust is like a little pregnant –grow up Trump voters–stop being delicate snowflakes on this financial conflict issue
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Trump was always going to be corrupt as POTUS. This isn’t news.
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and now the kids as well
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Trump was always going to be corrupt as POTUS. This isn’t news.
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Trump was always going to be corrupt as POTUS. This isn’t news.
Is this what his supporters believe?
Then all the talk about Hillary and corrupt government, etc is all distracting but empty talk meaning nothing? It’s only about winning with “your” corrupt candidate & what you can embezzle out of the system? Nothing to do with the more corrupt person, only my candidate, my tribe. Africa’s leadership corruption is our ideal?
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No his supporters believe he was going to drain the swamp. Which I think I read something like he doesn’t like that anymore so he’s going to stop using it. It’s more like stock the swamp with alligators.
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Doesn’t seem that clear. What I’m seeing is different ethics rules apply for different people & rationalizing mountains to molehills in the justifications.
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UN just sent a shout to Trump and Bib–hasta–we don’t find u both credible
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Trump won the election guys.
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not the popular vote
UN said let’s send Bibi and Trump a message–Quote from deadwing
Trump won the election guys.
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not the popular vote
UN said let’s send Bibi and Trump a message–Quote from deadwing
Trump won the election guys.
Practically speaking, does losing the popular vote mean anything? He has the senate and house
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the world does not care–the UN vote said it all and this was after Trump( who is not even President yet) and Bibi put their thumbprint out there–the UN was like to them both –Bye Felicia –we are done-we don’t feel that either of u are credible-thanks President Obama–
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not the popular vote
UN said let’s send Bibi and Trump a message–Quote from deadwing
Trump won the election guys.
Practically speaking, does losing the popular vote mean anything? He has the senate and house
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the world does not care–the UN vote said it all and this was after Trump( who is not even President yet) and Bibi put their thumbprint out there–the UN was like to them both –Bye Felicia –we are done-we don’t feel that either of u are credible-thanks President Obama–
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not the popular vote
UN said let’s send Bibi and Trump a message–Quote from deadwing
Trump won the election guys.
Practically speaking, does losing the popular vote mean anything? He has the senate and house
I mean overall, not just with respect to the UN-Israel issue
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when Power abstained–loud applause erupted in the UN meeting–take that
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But soon to be POTUS DJT said “As to the U.N., things will be different after Jan. 20th,”
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he has been publicly rebuke–as has Bibi
The world sent Trump and Bibi a message with the announcement at the meeting–“una abstencion” and then the audience erupted in applause
some of those far right Trump voters feel we give too much aide to other countries
they told both we think your leaderships are illegitimate
Trump gotta get that 25 mill Trump U money raised and oh the DC lawsuit and oh how many other depositions will Melania, kids and I will have to face in the future and who knows Russia probably has a record of every call I made in the last year
stay strong NZ and what a grinch Bibi to take away help to an african country–is that racism –like let me dump on an african country because I had a bad day and got out played( he and probably Trump had no idea that 4 other countries would checkmate and over power Egypt)-just racistQuote from jd4540
But soon to be POTUS DJT said “As to the U.N., things will be different after Jan. 20th,”
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he has been publicly rebuke–as has Bibi
The world sent Trump and Bibi a message with the announcement at the meeting–“una abstencion” and then the audience erupted in applause
The UN is the organization that had Ghaddafi provide the chair their commission on human rights. Given all the problems around the world, the UN seems to be singularly focused on screaming at the Israelis. What they do or do not say doesn’t really matter all that much.-
then why did Bibi bother with Egypt–he and Trump got publicly rebuked
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he has been publicly rebuke–as has Bibi
The world sent Trump and Bibi a message with the announcement at the meeting–“una abstencion” and then the audience erupted in applauseThe UN is the organization that had Ghaddafi provide the chair their commission on human rights. Given all the problems around the world, the UN seems to be singularly focused on screaming at the Israelis. What they do or do not say doesn’t really matter all that much.
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What the Israelis do seems to matter quite a lot to Muslims. It’s been a major motivating force from originating the radical Islamic terrorist movement continuing right up to today.
To say what the Israelis do doesn’t matter much is either a stupendous example of either ignorance or propaganda.
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Bibi does not even respect Christmas/christianity by making people come in on the 25th–so tacky–even Russia voted against them
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Trump just looked like an uninformed dope with this UN thing–his corresponding with Bibi over this UN vote is a violation of the Logan act and ensnares his kids since Bibi who does not obey our laws cc his letter to them
there is one President at one time–all other Presidents waited before they made comment–Trump showed his ineptness and the world leaders rebuked him and Bib–next the world will be checking if Israeli goods that are shipped are made in disputed areas
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Trump just looked like an uninformed dope with this UN thing–his corresponding with Bibi over this UN vote is a violation of the Logan act and ensnares his kids since Bibi who does not obey our laws cc his letter to them
there is one President at one time–all other Presidents waited before they made comment–Trump showed his ineptness and the world leaders rebuked him and Bib–next the world will be checking if Israeli goods that are shipped are made in disputed areas
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oh a delicate tweety bird is back—Trump just showed what a political amateur he is–he let Bibi just lead him into a violation of the Logan act–and to think even some on the left thought HRC would not be able to say no to Bibi( yes that was something said by the hypocrite known as Bernie who does not release his finance report)
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Trump just looked like an uninformed dope with this UN thing–his corresponding with Bibi over this UN vote is a violation of the Logan act and ensnares his kids since Bibi who does not obey our laws cc his letter to them
there is one President at one time–all other Presidents waited before they made comment–Trump showed his ineptness and the world leaders rebuked him and Bib–next the world will be checking if Israeli goods that are shipped are made in disputed areasWithout the Huffington Post you wouldn’t have an opinion on anything.
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oh a delicate tweety bird is back—Trump just showed what a political amateur he is–he let Bibi just lead him into a violation of the Logan act–and to think even some on the left thought HRC would not be able to say no to Bibi( yes that was something said by the hypocrite known as Bernie who does not release his finance report)
Go ahead, prosecute the president elect under the ‘Logan Act’. It has never been used to successfully prosecute anyone with only one indictment in 200 years of the law being in existence.
The ‘Logan Act’ was basically a law of attainder because a secretary of state felt that someone stepped on his dick. It was intended to restrain a citizen from negotiating on behalf of the country back in the day when an emissary would go to negotiate a treaty and not return for months or years without much interaction with the home office. There is nothing in the law that would keep a citizen from expressing his opinion under the protection of the first amendment.
Huffpo drone, lol.-
doltish and drone-ish
Guys like SLN smoke Huffpole
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a nasty delicate tweety bird overwhelmed that his President elect is actually criminal in chief
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doltish and drone-ish
Guys like SLN smoke Huffpole
That’s why they like their women masculinized, so even more people can tell them how to lead their lives.
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What I’m curious about is considering Trump’s rhetoric during the election up to now vs the team he’s selected to run the country’s government, do the supporters think the right-wing billionaire team he’s selected will put in place the policies Trump had stated before he was elected that state a concern about improving inequality and the lot of the unemployed and underemployed and actually create jobs and increase wages and the economy? Or will it be about improving the lot of the 1% class?
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What I’m curious about is considering Trump’s rhetoric during the election up to now vs the team he’s selected to run the country’s government, do the supporters think the right-wing billionaire team he’s selected will put in place the policies Trump had stated before he was elected that state a concern about improving inequality and the lot of the unemployed and underemployed and actually create jobs and increase wages and the economy? Or will it be about improving the lot of the 1% class?
Or now that he’s elected does it matter?
^^THIS^^ Trump cared about the working class long enough to secure their vote…he cared enough about the immigration paranoiacs long enough to get their vote…he cared enough about the red, southern states until he got their vote.
His cabinet is loaded with war hawks and multi-millionaires and billionaires. None of them give a shiat about anybody who makes a million dollars a year or less. Trump himself is hawkish, and already pi$$ed off china about what they’re doing in the south China sea. Trump knows squat about foreign policy, and now that he and his butt-buddy Putin are in control, China must be very wary. I don’t think they’re scared, because they’ve been quietly upgrading their own defenses over the last two decades.
I think it’s a given that the plutocracy Trump is about to launch will benefit only him, his family and other billionaires. I’m much more concerned about a shooting war with another nuclear country. I look for Putin to go into the baltics soon…..maybe while President Obama is stilll in office, and doesn’t have enough time to really do anything. Trump has made his stance on NATO very well known…even though the presence of NATO has kept the peace in Europe since WWII. Personally, my stance on Putin is that I don’t think he gives a shiat if the world burns…
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What I’m curious about is considering Trump’s rhetoric during the election up to now vs the team he’s selected to run the country’s government, do the supporters think the right-wing billionaire team he’s selected will put in place the policies Trump had stated before he was elected that state a concern about improving inequality and the lot of the unemployed and underemployed and actually create jobs and increase wages and the economy? Or will it be about improving the lot of the 1% class?
Or now that he’s elected does it matter?
^^THIS^^ Trump cared about the working class long enough to secure their vote…he cared enough about the immigration paranoiacs long enough to get their vote…he cared enough about the red, southern states until he got their vote.
His cabinet is loaded with war hawks and multi-millionaires and billionaires. None of them give a shiat about anybody who makes a million dollars a year or less. Trump himself is hawkish, and already pi$$ed off china about what they’re doing in the south China sea. Trump knows squat about foreign policy, and now that he and his butt-buddy Putin are in control, China must be very wary. I don’t think they’re scared, because they’ve been quietly upgrading their own defenses over the last two decades.
I think it’s a given that the plutocracy Trump is about to launch will benefit only him, his family and other billionaires. I’m much more concerned about a shooting war with another nuclear country. I look for Putin to go into the baltics soon…..maybe while President Obama is stilll in office, and doesn’t have enough time to really do anything. Trump has made his stance on NATO very well known…even though the presence of NATO has kept the peace in Europe since WWII. Personally, my stance on Putin is that I don’t think he gives a shiat if the world burns…
God, for the sake of my daughters and grandkids I hope I’m wrong.
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If the above is true, then its safe to say that Trump is consciously aware that he will be a one term president?
And so what? The question is first, does Trump want to have a 2nd term? Is there magic other than sports statistics when Trump can get his agenda accomplished in 4 years? Which begs the next question, what is Trump’s agenda? Does anyone know?
I think his agenda is “TRUMP!” and I think he’s already done a lot to increase his fortune.
What do you want out of Trump that you think is on his agenda?
Cudarad thinks Trump will improve the health care coverage. I think he’s lost touch with reality considering what Trump has said & who he is appointing and what Republicans in Congress have been saying for 8 years. I think they will try to repeal it and then stop returning us to the worse situation we had before the ACA. I don’t think physicians will get higher reimbursements and richer except through lower taxes and I’d be surprised if they even got caps on lawsuits.
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House GOP want to get rid of ethics office–drain the swamp–big joke
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House GOP want to get rid of ethics office–drain the swamp–big joke
Looks like DJT had to exercise some leadership skills to stop them.
Off to a good start!
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It sounded like he’s OK with what they are doing, just not the timing.
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cause has to get his own swamp in–hang in there Rex and has to divert from not divesting his own bizness
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It sounded like he’s OK with what they are doing, just not the timing.
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Donald Trump is going to be president and Jack Abramoff is CNNs expert on congressional ethics.
Interesting times we are living in.
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In Trump’s opinion, there’s a sucker born every minute so he plans on getting elected twice unless he tires of the job. Remember his books were about telling the customer what they wanted to hear regardless of what Trump actually delivers – or not.
He has a reputation for shafting a lot of people for gobs of money. Yet the suckers keep coming back. Go figure. Proof that just because you have a lot of money it doesn’t make you a bleeding genius.
‘Were going to win so much you may even get tired of winning.’
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