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President Elect Donald Trump?
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Trump starting MAGA rallies again (Or I guess it’s “Save America” now)
First people are already in line at the Lorain County Fairgrounds (Cleveland west suburbs/x-urbs) for an event that goes on tomorrow.
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Not sure if you’ve spend time or driven around Lorain. It has the appearance of being very Trumpy. However, it also includes a liberal bastion like Oberlin College. Lots of barnacles stuck to the hull of the SS Trump out that way.
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Oh yeah. Im on west side or with lots of Lorain county connections (my parents live out there now)
It was the battleground of battleground counties nationally during the Obama races.
It swung Trump pretty hard (like Ohio)
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Sununu on Trump at the Gridiron dinner:
Hes f*cking crazy…. Ill deny I said it. …I dont think hes so crazy he should be in a mental asylum. But if he is in one, hes not getting out.
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[b]Trump Angst Wracks Republicans (Again)[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/us/politics/trump-2024-republicans.html]New York Times[/link]: Now, after a string of midterm losses by candidates Mr. Trump supported, there are signs of another Republican effort to inch the party away from the former president ahead of his scheduled announcement on Tuesday of another run for the White House even as his allies on Capitol Hill demand new acts of fealty to him.
It has not escaped Republicans that this week represented the third consecutive political cycle in which Democrats ran with considerable success against the polarizing former president. While they rarely spoke his name, Mr. Trump formed the background music to their attacks asserting that the Republican Party had grown too extreme.-
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[b]Trump Angst Wracks Republicans (Again)[/b]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/us/politics/trump-2024-republicans.html]New York Times[/link]: Now, after a string of midterm losses by candidates Mr. Trump supported, there are signs of another Republican effort to inch the party away from the former president ahead of his scheduled announcement on Tuesday of another run for the White House even as his allies on Capitol Hill demand new acts of fealty to him.
It has not escaped Republicans that this week represented the third consecutive political cycle in which Democrats ran with considerable success against the polarizing former president. While they rarely spoke his name, Mr. Trump formed the background music to their attacks asserting that the [b]Republican Party had grown too extreme[/b].
The Dems better be careful if they think this is what happened. The candidates that were deemed too extreme lost. Overall, the Reps still picked up some house seats. Plenty of Republicans did well as long as they were not seen as election deniers or a threat to abortion rights.
Sad to see if this is the angle Dems will continue to take. Next time, with the crazies not on the ballot, they will have to run on the issues. New York should be a lesson.
Lean in you all. There is a nice majority that want fair elections, abortion rights, gun control and low taxes. They don’t need to be promised a lot of free stuff, especially in the setting of runaway inflation. They don’t want to see their city officials give up on crime because of a fear of harming innocent people in the process.-
The split in the party is becoming apparent. Trumpers vs normal GOP
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The country likes democrats policies
If we get inflation under control the democrats dont need to change much
Maybe address the crime issue
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Yes. Exactly.
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As an American, the idea of another Trump campaign and all of his lies and divisiveness and his efforts to undermine American democracy is an absolute horror show On the other hand, I got to say that as a politician who wants to see that no Republican is elected to the White House in 2024, from that perspective, his candidacy is probably a good thing.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, quoted by the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/us/politics/trump-2024-republicans.html]New York Times[/link].
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Funny, I said this years before Bernie.
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[h1]Trump Prepares to Launch Third Presidential Campaign[/h1] Donald Trump is preparing to launch his third campaign for the White House on Tuesday, looking to move on from disappointing midterm defeats and defy history amid signs that his grip on the Republican Party is waning, the [link=https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-donald-trump-government-and-politics-cd5339d48064a149527e8f9a1aa7614e]AP[/link] reports.Trump had hoped to use the GOPs expected gains in last weeks elections as a springboard to vault himself to his partys nomination by locking in early support to keep potential challengers at bay. Instead, he now finds himself being blamed for backing a series of losing candidates after disappointing results in which Democrats retained control of the Senate and House control remains too early to call.
[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/11/15/trump-and-mccarthy-try-to-fend-off-a-gop-revolt-00066917?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]Playbook[/link]: The best way to understand the context of this announcement is to take a spin through the last 24 hours of Trump news. The big takeaway is that the movement on the right to abandon Trump is the strongest its been since the days after Jan. 6, 2021. (But, then again, it wasnt very strong back then.)
[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trolls-desantis-shares-old-video-florida-gov-supporting-him-2022-11]Insider[/link]: Trump trolls DeSantis, sharing old video showing his fawning Trump support as the two emerge as rivals for 2024.
[/h1] [/h1] [/h1] ____[/h1] Jared and Ivanka Wont Join Trump Campaign Launch[/h1]
Donald Trump tried and failed to persuade Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner to join him for his campaign announcement, the [link=https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/trump-begging-jared-ivanka-to-join-him-for-campaign-launch-sources/]New York Post[/link] reports.
Said a source: They both feel they got burned in Washington and dont want to go back and expose themselves and their children to another bitter campaign.-
Kevin D Williamson of the opinion that Trump is not dead & could yet win 2024 with Republican voters.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/opinion/trump-2024-announcement-republicans.html?unlocked_article_code=4j-IN_hWV6xSr4_tFBAVPydW7Uo45zwE7NzzHo2XFQpjcjGMAw1Uv0-pDPqc1VeCulNUAdkY2UovNk3QCFFV3VbLQtqGJyr2ZnNo8Ppt9FxIH7niZZvaRXUxy4JC049AM0_xBOhfvi5JmS-EibsJTq4h-M7LDmRuc_1zACEXWFbXc1PYV2uRkYA94z-BdxSDkqG7g77g-JHUOz7qDeq3OvUTkJHEzFE9sVc11CuT9YLlCDb-PkqoEpAGYxEgw1DMHEdNNSyUFucgJytM2M3IAZIFbuWtLdnwyqN1IpR_OyJCJLad8ZHOCw6ApEMSEjkDmM-ALsDMNqwtM0UMU5HLVZJjSOrHnoFfO0OcLQ&smid=share-url]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/opinion/trump-2024-announcement-republicans.html?unlocked_article_code=4j-IN_hWV6xSr4_tFBAVPydW7Uo45zwE7NzzHo2XFQpjcjGMAw1Uv0-pDPqc1VeCulNUAdkY2UovNk3QCFFV3VbLQtqGJyr2ZnNo8Ppt9FxIH7niZZvaRXUxy4JC049AM0_xBOhfvi5JmS-EibsJTq4h-M7LDmRuc_1zACEXWFbXc1PYV2uRkYA94z-BdxSDkqG7g77g-JHUOz7qDeq3OvUTkJHEzFE9sVc11CuT9YLlCDb-PkqoEpAGYxEgw1DMHEdNNSyUFucgJytM2M3IAZIFbuWtLdnwyqN1IpR_OyJCJLad8ZHOCw6ApEMSEjkDmM-ALsDMNqwtM0UMU5HLVZJjSOrHnoFfO0OcLQ&smid=share-url[/link]Because American politics has been so dominated by an entertainer, the most inevitable thing in the world is a sequel.
Donald Trump is expected to announce his inevitable 2024 presidential campaign on Tuesday in Florida. He is not as weak a candidate as many people might expect or hope him to be. I believe he is most likely to be the 2024 Republican nominee for president, and since we have only two major political parties, he could win in the general election and that would be bad for the country.
Unless and until somebody else comes into the arena and proves otherwise, and despite disappointing Republican midterm election results that many people blamed Mr. Trump for, he remains the leader of the Republican Party. His style of personalized politics is incompatible with coalitional politics of any kind, and his agenda for personal rule in a second term is shaping up to be a nightmare.
But these are not normal times, and the Republicans are not a normal political party.
It will not be easy to dislodge Mr. Trump. His bond with his supporters is personal it is based on the promise of humiliating the rights cultural enemies, not on policy, and it is not limited by transitory events like a disappointing midterm showing.
In the Trump cults theology, Mr. Trump is a god with a dual nature: He is simultaneously the macho, swaggering hero and the eternal victim at the mercy of the same powerful forces elites that his followers believe themselves to be victimized by. Hence the insistent refrain: When you say Trump is evil and foolish, you are saying that we who voted for him are evil and foolish. That doesnt follow logically, but this line of thinking is about divine transubstantiation, not politics. Mr. Trumps proposition to his followers is straight from the Bible he has probably never read: If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
That isnt thinking for a political campaign it is thinking for a personality cult.
If Mr. Trumps politics are fundamentally personal, you can be sure his governing agenda for his second term would be, too. It was laziness and ignorance, not good advice, that kept him from doing as much damage as he might have during his presidency. But his lieutenants have learned from those chaotic years, and they have a plan for staffing not only his administration but also much of the federal civil service with political loyalists under Schedule F, a new federal employee classification Mr. Trump created in 2020 by means of an executive order, since rescinded by President Biden.
Schedule F essentially would have converted many thousands of civil service positions into political appointments, a project that Mr. Trump plans to renew, thereby making every executive branch employee fireable by the president of the United States, as Mr. Trump [link=https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-presidency-schedule-f-federal-employees]put it[/link]. This would be a modern spin on personal rule as practiced by absolute monarchs such as King Charles I an ironic vision for a party that still calls itself Republican.-
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Kevin D Williamson of the opinion that Trump is not dead & could yet win 2024 with Republican voters.
I don’t think he’s dead at all.
He still has a lock on at the minimum 40% of the GOP electorate. Someone… or multiple someones need to pry loose the base or else he will get the nod again despite being a weaker general election candidate (doesn’t mean he couldn’t win a general again though given the right circumstances and twists of fate)-
The two pessimists at it again?
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I hope you are right. I really really do
Worst thing that could happen to our country and the world is another trump term
But he won once and can certainly win again
I dont want to sound pessimistic but assuming republicans are 45% of the electorate and the vast majority of them not voting for a democrat ever – well call me a pessimist but that doesnt make me feel all warm
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See my post on the 2024 Rep candidate thread. Ive watched you three with your appropriate concern for a couple of years and have tried to share my optimism and reasons why. I had presumed these midterms would give you more hope than it has. Im pretty sure I am right but it doesnt matter what I think. If Im wrong at least youll be able to point it out here. Maybe that will make you feel a bit better.
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The NYT editorial title on the front page simply says [b]”Enough:”[/b]
[h1][link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F11%2F15%2Fopinion%2Ftrump-2024-announcement.html]America Deserves Better Than Donald Trump[/link][/h1]Mr. Trump and his supporters can no longer pretend to be good-faith participants in the democratic process. They have enshrined the refusal to accept adverse election results as a defining feature of their political movement, sought to install true believers in local and state election offices and demonstrated a willingness to resort to violence.
Mr. Trump is unfit for public office. As president, he [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2020%2F10%2F16%2Fopinion%2Fdonald-trump-worst-president.html]showed himself to be incompetent and self-dealing[/link]. He should have been convicted by the Senate in 2019 for abusing his power and in 2021 for inciting an insurrection. Voters repudiated him at the ballot box after his second campaign, but he has the legal right to try again, so Americans must weather the trial of a third candidacy. If he is still in the race when the first votes are cast in 2024, the election will once again be a referendum on American democracy, because if our system of government is to survive, voters must choose leaders who accept and submit to the rule of law.
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If he is elected, a second Trump term would lack whatever guardrails were in place during the first. Over the course of those four years, Mr. Trump grew bolder in his defiance of the other branches of government, disregard for the law and flagrant abuses of presidential power. This time, he would be running with the support of those who are not only aware of his worst abuses but have also embraced him as the wronged party. He is likely to be surrounded even more completely by sycophants. Consider, for example, whom Mr. Trump might choose as an attorney general. At the end of his term, Mr. Trump forced out his own attorney general, Bill Barr a loyal supporter but someone who was unwilling to openly break the law and tried to install a midlevel Justice Department official whose primary qualification was an apparent willingness to do exactly that on Mr. Trumps behalf. A second term promises to be a revenge tour of grievances and political payback.
The Democratic Party has an obligation to do more than simply point to those possibilities. [b]Democrats must take seriously the challenge of offering to Americans an appealing alternative. The ultimate justification for democracy and upholding the rule of law is that it is the system of government that provides the best life for the most people. [/b]Democrats argue, correctly, that voting against Mr. Trump and his allies is the principled course. They must also show voters that democracy is worth defending, and that it will improve their lives and the lives of their children. In countries where weak, ineffective opposition parties leave people without hope or good alternatives, it is easier for autocrats to fill the void.
[b]Mr. Trump gravely damaged American democracy, but there are promising signs that the wounds are beginning to heal. [b]Nearly without exception, the losing candidates in the recent midterm elections have conceded with grace even some of those who had attacked the integrity of the election system during their campaigns. The return of Mr. Trumps dark circus threatens that progress. He will once again tempt Americans with misinformation and outright lies, veiled threats and outright calls for violence, insults and provocations. [b]By rejecting his bid for a political revival, Americans can put Mr. Trump in the past, and get back to the hard but necessary work of self-government.[/b]
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[link=https://www.axios.com/2022/11/16/trump-stephen-schwarzman-2024-presidential-race]https://www.axios.com/202…2024-presidential-race[/link]
[h1][b] Second GOP Megadonor comes out against Trump in major defection[/b][/h1]
Stephen Schwarzman chairman, CEO and co-founder of private-equity giant Blackstone says in a statement to Axios that he’s [link=https://www.axios.com/2020/11/23/blackstone-ceo-stephen-schwarzman-trump-biden]defecting from former President Trump[/link] for the 2024 presidential race.
“America does better when its leaders are rooted in today and tomorrow, not today and yesterday,” Schwarzman says.
“It is time for the Republican Party to turn to a new generation of leaders and I intend to support one of them in the presidential primaries.”
This is a major defection by a GOP megadonor who was close to Trump very engaged with him on trade issues and had real pull in the Trump White House.
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Rick Wilson on GOP “abandoning” Trump:
Don’t worry, gentry conservatives. We get it. You’re writing “No” now but soon enough you’ll write “While we have deep reservations about Donald Trump, Joe Biden is a socialist Marxist antifa Soros dupe and while Trump’s tweets are terrible, his polices…
…and his court appointees are magical super sauce. Here {at the { National American Conservative Daily Review, we know the real rsik to the American republic isn’t Donald Trump or even Joe Biden. We know the real danger to our future is a…
…group of dangerous radical activists who make the Commies, the Nazis, and Al Qaeda pale in comparison. No, the danger is not Trump, but anti-Trump conservatives. We must therefore grudgingly endorse Donald Trump, praise be upon him.”You know I’m right.
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I wonder whether state parties can keep him out of their primaries once he is indicted or based on his anti-democratic actions on Jan 6th. You are not disqualified from running as a matter of law, but the party won’t give you a venue or the ability to call yourself ‘R’.
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He cant win a general election. Strangely, I might even feel better if he is the Republican pick. It would likely make the Dems want to promise a moderate candidate again. Anything to guarantee he doesnt get another term. Everyone would believe the only person he could beat would be a Bernie Sanders or AOC type. It would also prove once and for all what a drag on the party he is. Especially if congress goes more left in the process.
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Im pretty sure I am right but it doesnt matter what I think. If Im wrong at least youll be able to point it out here. Maybe that will make you feel a bit better.
Again- I really really really hope and want you to be right
It would give me absolutely no joy or glee to someday tell you that you were wrong
Optimism is great but you cant will yourself into a win
What scares the sheet out of me is those republicans who despise trump but will still vote for him because they fear the democrats more
I do not share your optimism that these people will somehow change
How the hello could you fear democrats more than a conspiracy driven cult leader who wants to destroy our democracy
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We dont need those people you fear to change. The midterms showed it clearly.
BTW. You are right. They are not going to change. We are.
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I wonder whether state parties can keep him out of their primaries once he is indicted or based on his anti-democratic actions on Jan 6th. You are not disqualified from running as a matter of law, but the party won’t give you a venue or the ability to call yourself ‘R’.
The answer to that question is *likely* yes. The party could make a pretense as you suggest … but it is likely within their legal rights to bar him for any/ no reason at all (as long as it’s not based on race/ gender/ religion)
But that won’t happen. Because the party is made up people. And those people are to large extent elected Republicans and other Republicans who depend upon the Republican party to hold power and keep their jobs.
If they were to bar Trump from participation the risk of a massive backlash from the base that both wipes those party officials out of power in the next primary and/or lead the base voter to refuse to turn out in the election, handing Democrats an easy victory up and down the ballot.
It also runs the risk that Trump launches and independent third party bid, taking his core 40% of the base with him, also leading to a wipe. (Even if it’s only 10-20% of the base it’s still a Blue Wave in the making)
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Mark Halperin on Smerconish this am –
“It is important to understand. Donald Trump [b]can[/b] become President again. And people shouldn’t think he can’t. And there is solid data to support that.
Second, it’s important for the country, not just as an intellectual matter but.. if we’re ever going to have the kind of unity we need to address the challenges we face, to .. not dismiss the question of why it is that he can still win.
To be willing to address the second question we have to be willing to accept the premise of the first.”-
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Mark Halperin on Smerconish this am –
“It is important to understand. Donald Trump [b]can[/b] become President again. And people shouldn’t think he can’t. And there is solid data to support that.
Second, it’s important for the country, not just as an intellectual matter but.. if we’re ever going to have the kind of unity we need to address the challenges we face, to .. not dismiss the question of why it is that he can still win.
To be willing to address the second question we have to be willing to accept the premise of the first.”
See my post on the other thread. This sentiment might be good for us all. Better to address the second question head on or in theory?-
I certain part of the population is just a bunch of arseholes. Trump being the king of the arseholes made it acceptable so that these people can openly be arseholes. He’s getting those votes.
On stage last night he said he wants have the death sentence for all drug dealers. So someone who sells a dime bag of week are they going to get executed? What about places that have legalized drugs.
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In 2016, he eked out a narrow win against someone despised even by 40% of her own party.
In 2020 he lost hard against a potato.
I don’t know what ‘data’ Halperin is being fed, but I don’t see a second Trump win in the general. Had the midterms ended with a 245 R win and a 55/45 Senate, I would be worried. But it didn’t happen. Most of the trumpists got defeated in the midterms while people like Kemp and Sununu won in the same states. I just don’t see it.
Funny side story. My very educated and otherwise intelligent wife is convinced that Kemp and Sununu won due to ‘gerrymandering’. I just have to shake my head. Where do I even start ?
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You and I see it the same way.
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In 2016, he eked out a narrow win against someone despised even by 40% of her own party.
In 2020 he lost hard against a potato.
I don’t know what ‘data’ Halperin is being fed, but I don’t see a second Trump win in the general. Had the midterms ended with a 245 R win and a 55/45 Senate, I would be worried. But it didn’t happen. Most of the trumpists got defeated in the midterms while people like Kemp and Sununu won in the same states. I just don’t see it.
He lost to a potato while getting 11 million more votes than he got in 2016.
It’s March 2024 and Biden has gone through the perfunctory act of winning an unopposed Democratic primary. Over the year of 2023, there have already been legitimate concerns in the mainstream press that he may be showing accelerating cognitive decline.
Then, in April, he falls and breaks his hip, also sustaining a subdural hematoma.
Suddenly, it’s all eyes on Kamala Harris.
At the same time, Trump is barely eeking out a majority of GOP delegates given winner-take-all rules that have him getting 30% support in a field of Desantis, Hogan, Haley, Cruz, and Pompeo.
In an moment of lucidity, Trump is convinced by his advisors to form a unity ticket with Ron DeSantis as VP. DeSantis knows it’s a 4 year gig and won’t feel any allegiance to Trump while in the WH … he’ll start campaigning for 2028 on an 20, 2025.
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Sounds pretty crazy implausible to me but then again Im overly optimistic.
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Sounds pretty crazy implausible to me but then again Im overly optimistic.
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I quit being optimistic in 2016 when I figured there was no way in hello the American people would elect a conspiracy driven con man washed up reality tv star who paid off hookers and porn stars
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He can win.
Well… we may have disagreement in this thread, but we’re clearly not alone.
Smerconish poll (non-scientific) yesterday asked listeners if they think Trump can win again….. 65% Yes / 35% No
[link=https://www.smerconish.com/daily-poll/past-poll-results/]https://www.smerconish.co…oll/past-poll-results/[/link]-
A poll? Hahahaha.
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Actually they asked if it was foolish to think Trump could never win again.
Thats a different question and I could see how one would answer yes even if you believed he couldnt.
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Yeah. Donald won in 2016 with 63 million votes but got 74 million in 2020, an increase. Further, roughly 30%-40% of voters still say they support him and that’s the majority of Republicans who still support him. Trump did not lose in 2018, 2020 & 2022 because Republicans decided to vote for the other party. The Republican supporters remain roughly the same. In 2022 it’s the young Gen Z voters who came out to vote Democratic, “a problem” according to Fox & other right-wing pundits.
But that said, Democrats still lost House seats so Republicans are still out there voting for Trump supporters although the most extreme, the election deniers, lost.
Not a time to top worrying that Trumpism has lost it allure to Republicans. Just look at what the House is promising to do with investigations. As Gaetz said, policy is unimportant compared to investigations.
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Its pretty amazing how the important 8% is routinely ignored. Trump cannot win a general election. Absolutely cannot.
Now I can see how it might be considered foolish to get complacent about it. That will not happen if he gets the nomination.
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In 2016, he eked out a narrow win against someone despised even by 40% of her own party.
In 2020 he lost hard against a potato.
I don’t know what ‘data’ Halperin is being fed, but I don’t see a second Trump win in the general. Had the midterms ended with a 245 R win and a 55/45 Senate, I would be worried. But it didn’t happen. Most of the trumpists got defeated in the midterms while people like Kemp and Sununu won in the same states. I just don’t see it.
He lost to a potato while getting 11 million more votes than he got in 2016.
It’s March 2024 and Biden has gone through the perfunctory act of winning an unopposed Democratic primary. Over the year of 2023, there have already been legitimate concerns in the mainstream press that he may be showing accelerating cognitive decline.
Then, in April, he falls and breaks his hip, also sustaining a subdural hematoma.Suddenly, it’s all eyes on Kamala Harris.
At the same time, Trump is barely eeking out a majority of GOP delegates given winner-take-all rules that have him getting 30% support in a field of Desantis, Hogan, Haley, Cruz, and Pompeo.
In an moment of lucidity, Trump is convinced by his advisors to form a unity ticket with Ron DeSantis as VP. DeSantis knows it’s a 4 year gig and won’t feel any allegiance to Trump while in the WH … he’ll start campaigning for 2028 on an 20, 2025.
Not so crazily implausible … and absolutely a legit shot at winning the EC.
Sure, if you chain together multiple random and unlikely events, yeah maybe.
But Biden is ‘vigorous’ and his mental decline is just a vast right wing conspiracy. He didn’t snap his femur when he fell off his bike, so I don’t see him breaking it a year from now.
But yeah, Kamala is a bleak prospect. I’ll agree on that.
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How the hello could you fear democrats more than a conspiracy driven cult leader who wants to destroy our democracy
Now THAT! is the correct question that somehow is never answered.
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How the hello could you fear democrats more than a conspiracy driven cult leader who wants to destroy our democracy
Now THAT! is the correct question that somehow is never answered.
It doesnt need to be answered. Its useless. Those people will not change. Thankfully there are not enough of them.
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I quit being optimistic in 2016 when I figured there was no way in hello the American people would elect a conspiracy driven con man washed up reality tv star who paid off hookers and porn stars
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He can win. Before he was elected I think he sold a message of I’m the outside, drain the swamp, surround myself with smart people. That worked. However, we’ve seen his 4 years and it was almost 100% trash. He stocked the swamp, ran off anyone that was worth a damn, fed his own ego, ran a huge grift, and was really just terrible. So there’s mountains of attacks that are going to be coming his way. It’s not going to sway everyone, but hopefully it’ll be enough to reject Trump again.
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3 billionaires lost in 3 days …
Maggie Haberman- “A spokesman for Ronald Lauder, longtime friend of Trump and donor to Trump, says the billionaire businessman has no plans to support Trump this time around.”
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[h1]https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/no/[/h1] [h1][/h1] [h1]No.[/h1]
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THAT! is an awesome comparison!
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[I]
With just 720 days to go before the next election, a Florida retiree made the surprise announcement that he was running for president. In a move no political pundit saw coming, avid golfer Donald J. Trump kicked things off at Mar-a-Lago, his resort and classified-documents library. Trump, famous for gold-plated lobbies and for firing people on realtity television, will be 78 in 2024. If elected, Trump would tie Joe Biden as the oldest president to take office. His cholesterol levels are unknown, but his favorite food is a charred steak with ketchup. He has stated that his qualifications for office include being a stable genius. Trump also served as the 45th president.[/i]
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The fact that you agree that Trump can win the nomination actually proves the point of worry an duncertainty. If he can win the nomination, he can win the office again. He did not win the popular vote in 2016 and yet he still won with minority support and votes. How much has really changed so much that everyone can relax about Trump?
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The fact that you agree that Trump can win the nomination actually proves the point of worry an duncertainty. If he can win the nomination, he can win the office again. He did not win the popular vote in 2016 and yet he still won with minority support and votes. [b]How much has really changed so much that everyone can relax about Trump? [/b]
Nowhere enough. The crazies are in charge of the House. The deniers lost but only by a hair and Gaetz & Marge won along with others who support Trump.
First, I don’t really agree he can win the nomination but that is much more in the realm of possible.
You are choosing a different argument to assign to me which is what you usually do. I quite explicitly said “it might be foolish to get complacent about it”.
No, nobody will relax. They will just get to work and make sure he loses like the big loser he is. That’s exactly right. Nothing has changed. All of those people that voted blue because of fears of election denial and abortion rights have not changed one bit.
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4th billionaire mega-donor lost this week
GOP megadonors Robert and Rebekah Mercer have no current plans to help former President Donald Trumps 2024 campaign for the White House, [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/18/gop-megadonor-mercers-distance-themselves-from-trump-for-2024-campaign.html]CNBC[/link] reports.
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Optimistic
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Thats what they say personally but what are the odds they have companies etc that are going to funnel $ into PACS or lobbying.
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Well… it’s not like they’re suddenly not Republicans or getting out of politics.
They’re just signaling that they don’t want Trump to be the GOP and nominee and their money will look elsewhere.
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