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  • kaldridgewv2211

    Member
    June 28, 2019 at 4:28 pm

    I’m not sure why I’m being construed as saying brown people when I’m talking about the current admin position. We only want the best not the regular old folks fleeing from oppression.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 28, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    Quote from DICOM_Dan

     

    Quote from Knob Creek Rye

     

    Warren has [link=https://ijr.com/warren-decriminalize-illegal-border-crossings-elected-president/]vowed to decriminalize illegal border crossings[/link]. 

    At this point, the vast majority of Democrats require either a dose of haldol decanoate or a jail cell. 

     
    I think the idea is to make it a civil issue because it really should be.  That should be done through meaningful immigration reform not this go home brown people BS we have today. 

     

     

    Quote from DICOM_Dan

    [b]I’m not sure why I’m being construed as saying brown people[/b] when I’m talking about the current admin position. We only want the best not the regular old folks fleeing from oppression.

    Uh…

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 28, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    All the democratic candidates raised their hands when
    asked if they would provide free healthcare for illegal aliens
    with taxes by legal citizens. Who on this site has withheld care
    from an illegal alien? Nobody. BS question.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 28, 2019 at 7:36 pm

    Every candidate of one of the two functional political parties in America (and, by the way, the one with the built-in inevitable demographic victory) has endorsed the concept of our citizens’ footing the bill for first-class healthcare for illegal aliens.
     
    This country is finished. 

  • ruszja

    Member
    June 28, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    Well, based on the debates alone, it’s a pretty safe bet that Trump is going to get re-elected. He is going to run unopposed.

  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    June 29, 2019 at 4:36 am

    Quote from IR_CONSULT

    All the democratic candidates raised their hands when
    asked if they would provide free healthcare for illegal aliens
    with taxes by legal citizens. Who on this site has withheld care
    from an illegal alien? Nobody. BS question.

    Not exactly, not when the very next post is a complaint about providing healthcare to illegal aliens. Not when the Republican Party has based a primary position on disallowing healthcare for millions of it own citizens for almost a decade now and where it has tried several times to actually remove healthcare from said citizens. Not when a primary position of the Republican Party was Libertarianism and the right to die due to having no healthcare insurance as argued by Ron Paul whose own campaign manager died due in part to having no healthcare insurance.
     
    There is no good reason for keeping healthcare out of the reach of millions of American citizens and others who reside here but the Republican Party seems to think there is.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      June 29, 2019 at 8:46 am

      Quote from Frumious

      There is no good reason for keeping healthcare out of the reach of millions of American citizens [b]and others who reside here[/b] but the Republican Party seems to think there is.

      I’m all for a safety net for American citizens, but for illegal aliens? Go back home and see a doctor there. 

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        June 29, 2019 at 10:37 am

        I assume you’ve never been able to travel overseas? Got appendicitis? Trauma? Infection?
         
        Go home & get your treatment there!

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          June 29, 2019 at 10:52 am

          Quote from Knob Creek Rye

           

          Quote from Frumious

           
          There is no good reason for keeping healthcare out of the reach of millions of American citizens [b]and others who reside here[/b] but the Republican Party seems to think there is. 

           

          I’m all for a safety net for American citizens, but for illegal aliens? Go back home and see a doctor there.  

           
           

          Quote from Frumious

          I assume you’ve never been able to travel overseas? Got appendicitis? Trauma? Infection?

          Go home & get your treatment there!

          Do you even understand your posts when you write them?
           
          You referred to “others who reside here” (nice euphemism for illegal aliens, btw). Overseas travel =/= illegal residence. 

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            June 29, 2019 at 1:35 pm

            You don’t understand you own posts. You argue against illegals but your example is for American citizens – only. There are others who are NOT illegal who are NOT citizens. My own mother was one of those NOT a citizen for a couple of decades before she became one; same is true for my grandparents, none of whom came over on the Mayflower.
             
            You leave a lot of people out in your statements but are too blind to realize that. So no, my “others who reside here” is not a euphemism for illegals although in your small minded universe it must be.
             
            So my question remains, you are not an illegal alien but a “guest” in another country but your health insurance does not cover you there & you become injured and/or sick. You cannot return home well or perhaps not even alive.  So you are now a burden to those taxpayers in that country/those countries identical to your complaint about being burdened here apparently by non-citizens, euphemisms or not.
             
            And no, I am not somehow obligated to understand your dog whistles & “what your really meant to say” since I disagree with probably 99% if not 100% of what you state is your beliefs.
             
            Or perhaps your thinking covers only surface areas because going deeper is too hard & hurts?

            My argument to IR_Consult was that Republicans make no strong distinction about illegals and citizens who have no insurance, whether by choice or not. As far as the Republicans are concerned they can all go to Hell and die. As was applauded at one of Ron Paul’s debates with his supporters. Even Paul was shocked.
             
            [link=https://www.newser.com/story/128483/ron-pauls-ill-ex-campaign-manager-died-uninsured.html ]https://www.newser.com/st…d-uninsured.html [/link]
             
             

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              June 29, 2019 at 3:08 pm

              You really don’t understand the issues at all.
              The question is do you support a tax increase to American
              citizens to provide free healthcare for illegal aliens. It’s fine
              if you do but if you don’t support that you are demonized by the
              left. And you spout B.S. rhetoric about telling someone to go to hell and die. I don’t know any physician who has ever denied care
              to an uninsured patient, citizen or non-citizen. Complete nonsense.

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                June 29, 2019 at 5:24 pm

                Quote from IR_CONSULT

                You really don’t understand the issues at all.
                The question is do you support a tax increase to American
                citizens to provide free healthcare for illegal aliens. It’s fine
                if you do but if you don’t support that you are demonized by the
                left. And you spout B.S. rhetoric about telling someone to go to hell and die. I don’t know any physician who has ever denied care
                to an uninsured patient, citizen or non-citizen. Complete nonsense.

                No, you don’t. To quote Trump, “You’re the puppet!”
                 
                1st thing, you’ve changed your topic. I answered about denying healthcare as a platform for the Right. Now it’s about the illegals’ healthcare costs. Tell me how much of a tax increase providing Obamacare insurance to immigrants would be?
                 
                So what do you and Knob think the annual cost of healthcare to immigrants is and when is healthcare provided & do they get it “for free?” like most all American get? 
                 
                Tell me why American healthcare is the most expensive while not covering people many countries provide to their residents? Obese diabetic people? People on “unnecessary” life support? Cancer patients? Big Pharma? Etc?
                 
                So would I vote for  a tax increase to provide Obamacare insurance to DACA and illegal immigrants here now? Well, tell me first how much I am voting for. I don’t think it’s been calculated well if at all.
                 
                As for raising taxes, removing the cost and tax benefits from employers to provide insurance that would follow you regardless of employer would change the numbers quite a bit.
                 
                 

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  June 29, 2019 at 8:11 pm

                  None of the democratic presidential candidates asked how much it would cost the American citizen taxpayer to cover illegal aliens free healthcare.
                  They all just raised their hands without any consideration for the American taxpayers covering the bill.  God forbid they side with American citizens over illegal aliens.  Why stop at free healthcare for illegal criminals?  Let’s
                  raise taxes to pay for free education, free housing, free food, free birth control.
                  FYI,  if I become ill in a foreign country my private healthcare insurance covers me.  The
                  private insurance that the democrats in the debates want to abolish. 
                  Abolish choice is the democrats platform.  The few on stage that support protecting the private insurance industry have been demonized. 

                  • kaldridgewv2211

                    Member
                    June 30, 2019 at 3:57 am

                    What’s it cost to keep them in cages and deal with the health issues being caused by that? I’ve heard of several deaths, flu and lice outbreaks. Especially considering a lot of them have families here that can take care of them.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      June 30, 2019 at 4:35 am

                      Actually, Pete Buttigieg addressed cost.  He clarified that they were not giving “free” healthcare to the undocumented. They were favoring allowing them to [i]purchase[/i] health insurance.  

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      June 30, 2019 at 4:52 am

                      Quote from dergon

                      Actually, Pete Buttigieg addressed cost.  He clarified that they were not giving “free” healthcare to the undocumented. They were favoring allowing them to [i]purchase[/i] health insurance.  

                      It’s called “Obamacare” as I said. And the cost is a red herring meant to get certain people’s blood pressure explode because of ignorant fear, ignorant because the fear assumption that offering insurance to purchase would bankrupt the country. In their minds everything for “them” will bankrupt the country while American’s “free” healthcare insurance does not.
                       
                      The ACA was predicted to bankrupt the country and yet it did not. There is deliberate hyperventilating on all these zero-sum false beliefs. After all, with exploding deficits and debt under Trump due to tax cuts alone that go primarily to the very affluent and to corporations for buy-backs, now all of a sudden the Right is worried about cost? But only costs of a minority of people?
                       
                      Shows you how bogus the arguments really are. But alarmism goes a long way on Fox.
                       
                      The real issue is how to provide affordable healthcare to Americans, something the Right and Republicans and Trump are opposed to right out of the gate. All this immigrant arguments are deliberate distractions meant to fan the flames.
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      June 30, 2019 at 4:00 pm

                      Ok you can deny what the democratic candidates support all you want. How about you get back to us when your looney party proposes anything to help legal American citizens. Their entire platform is freebies for illegal aliens. I would fully support illegal aliens purchasing healthcare in the US. Let me know how many sign up. Again when you libs say we should be more like Norway,
                      high taxes and lots of government freebies. The only reason that works is because their high taxes go to supporting legal citizens. They have the most restrictive immigration laws anywhere in the world. They don’t fund illegal immigrants at all.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      June 30, 2019 at 5:16 pm

                      Angry

                      [link]https://youtu.be/naG6ScaFE44[/link]

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      August 31, 2023 at 3:46 am

                      [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-rejects-former-trump-aide-peter-navarros-executive-privilege-cla-rcna102538] Judge rejects former Trump aide Peter Navarro’s executive privilege claim, paving way for trial in contempt case

                      [/link]__________
                       
                       
                      [link=https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1696992806651252741]https://twitter.com/TheTN…us/1696992806651252741[/link]
                       
                      As he gives his post-hearing loss press conference, Navarro fails to snatch a Trump Lost and you know it sign away from a protestor behind him.
                       
                       
                      “Bro, you’re already facing charges,” the protestor warns Navarro

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      September 5, 2023 at 5:56 pm

                      OAN has settled its defamation suit with Dominion voting systems.
                       
                      Terms not disclosed.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 29, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Quote from Frumious

    You don’t understand you own posts. You argue against illegals but your example is for American citizens – only. There are others who are NOT illegal who are NOT citizens. My own mother was one of those NOT a citizen for a couple of decades before she became one; same is true for my grandparents, none of whom came over on the Mayflower.

    You leave a lot of people out in your statements but are too blind to realize that. So no, my “others who reside here” is not a euphemism for illegals although in your small minded universe it must be.

     
    You’re trying to backtrack, but it isn’t going to work; we see what you’re doing. The American Right has moved past inane libertarianism (which was never really much more than a blip). It’s populism that characterizes the new Right. What Republicans (one of which I am not) and right-wingers oppose is not healthcare for poor Americans, but the provision of healthcare to leeches who are here illegally. If the “choice” we’re being given is free ED care to illegals vs. free PMD and routine care access for illegals, I’d like to see a president far tougher on immigration and the border than anything most people can imagine.

    Quote from Frumious

     So my question remains, you are not an illegal alien but a “guest” in another country but your health insurance does not cover you there & you become injured and/or sick. You cannot return home well or perhaps not even alive.  So you are now a burden to those taxpayers in that country/those countries identical to your complaint about being burdened here apparently by non-citizens, euphemisms or not.

    And no, I am not somehow obligated to understand your dog whistles & “what your really meant to say” since I disagree with probably 99% if not 100% of what you state is your beliefs.

    Or perhaps your thinking covers only surface areas because going deeper is too hard & hurts?

    If one is visiting another country legally, presumably one has a passport that documents said visit. In which case, of course emergency care ought to be provided.

  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    June 29, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    The Right has move from insanity flavor to insanity flavor. You people are consistent, the insanity remains just in differing flavors.

    Flavor of the day since Pete Wilson, Mexicans bankrupting Americans; when Obama was elected was Libertarianism & Americans bankrupting Americans; when Trump was elected, Muslims; today, refugees from the southern border.

    Only the flavor changes but the underlying insanity & tribalism remains.

    Them! Always a Them!

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 29, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    There are many “thems” in the world. And that’s why it’s wonderful that there are hundreds of countries. A distinct place for every group. It’s pretty beautiful.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 29, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    None of the democratic presidential candidates asked how much it would cost the American citizen taxpayer to cover illegal aliens free healthcare.
    They all just raised their hands without any consideration for the American taxpayers covering the bill.  God forbid they side with American citizens over illegal aliens.  Why stop at free healthcare for illegal criminals?  Let’s
    raise taxes to pay for free education, free housing, free food, free birth control.
    FYI,  if I become ill in a foreign country my private healthcare insurance covers me.  The
    private insurance that the democrats in the debates want to abolish. 
    Abolish choice is the democrats platform.  The few on stage that support protecting the private insurance industry have been demonized. 

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 30, 2019 at 10:56 am

    One little comment here for the American dreamboat above

    In the Canadian system if you have an emergency out of the country it is also covered

    There is some paperwork and criteria you must meet but we deal with this a few times a year where Im at

    And I dont even work full time

  • katiemckee84_223

    Member
    June 30, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    Back to the topic of the thread
     
    The left is so crazy, the 2020 election will again be an emotional departure point for the irrational views they hold, and they will not accept a Trump victory. Likewise, especially given all the pandering to illegals and attempt at winning the electoral college (thankfully a small check on the anti american madness) via invasion, Trump supporters won’t accept the result if he loses.
     
    We are coming very soon to a crossroads, and it is going to get uglier. Couple that with a recession, downturn in the market, etc and the fact that NO ONE trusts the gargantuan government regardless of party … things are going to get worse than you ever imagined.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 30, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    Ignorant

  • katiemckee84_223

    Member
    June 30, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    IR has it.
     
    The point of all the illegal love is to allow the invasion to finally overcome the native american citizens by demographics, through more easily controlled people.
     
    The problem is that even though they thought they will have won, America won’t be America anymore without its culture and heritage. So it doesn’t matter what you call it, it’ll turn quickly into the 3 world country it is letting in, with ivory tower types continuing to call the shots.
     
    … if the States even allow it. Remember, the funny thing about leftists is that they are feminized and weak. The types that crouch behind a frail judge and say, “Yeah, that’s what he said, listen to him! He is ordering you!”
     
    LOL

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    June 30, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    The sad facts that the leftists physicians here refuse to acknowledge is that the darkest days of American history were initiated by the democrats. The deplorable immigrant detention centers were created by the Obama administration. Obama administration deported far more Brown people than Trump. But let’s pretend that the immigration crisis begun yesterday

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