[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from DoctorDalai

WHY would Iran need nuclear energy so badly? They sit on enough oil reserve to run the planet for the next several hundred years. 

 
Why does anyone want nuclear energy?  Why can’t we run the whole planet on fossil fuels?  I think the reasons would be the same as anywhere including the US.  Diversify energy sources, and try and use cleaner forms of energy, although there’s probably some debate as how clean nuclear energy can be.  There’s nuclear waste product left behind.  In the history of the planet just thinking ahead 200 years is short sighted.  I tend to think most people in Iran are probably just like people here, or Israel, they just want to live in peace/prosperity and to see kids grow up healthy/happy.

[odayjassim1978_476]

like Japan has nuclear energy
but did not know this is Bibi’s 3rd wife…per Wikipedia second wife resulted from an affair
now Obama does not have all this family drama

[odayjassim1978_476]

third wife looks like heh Bib I know where the skeletons are buried

[eyoab2011_711]

Life must be nice inside Dalai’s bubble.  Considering Bibi has been giving this chicken little routine for more than 20 years why should we listen to him either?
 
Why should Bibi be trusted?

[julie.young_645]

Whatever you say, Neville.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Neville Marriner?

[julie.young_645]

Chamberlain.

[odayjassim1978_476]

Bibi showing himself …refuses to meet with Feinstein

[btomba_77]

[link=http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/25/opinion/israel-iran-netanyahu/]http://www.cnn.com/2015/0…israel-iran-netanyahu/[/link]
 
[b]
Netanyahu has crossed the point of no return on Iran[/b]  

Contrary to Israel’s rhetoric, the fear of Iran getting a nuclear weapon [link=https://www.ted.com/talks/trita_parsi_iran_and_israel_peace_is_possible?language=en]has not been the driving factor[/link] of Israel policy on Iran since the early 1990s. Obviously, Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon would be highly undesirable for Israel. But that has not been Israel’s primary concern. Rather, the fear has been that Washington would end up finding a compromise with Iran that on the one hand would close off any Iranian path to a bomb, but on the other hand would lock in a shift in the regional balance of power in Israel’s disfavor.
 
Regardless of the details of a nuclear deal with Iran, a deal per se would reduce Washington’s tensions with Tehran, while not necessarily tempering the Israeli-Iranian rivalry proportionally. Israel will be “abandoned” to face Iran alone, Israelis fear. 
 
Israel’s policy towards Iran and the nuclear issue in the past two decades has rested on a few principles.
First, consecutive Israeli governments have been on the forefront of sounding the alarm about Iran, while carefully avoiding making Iran an “Israeli issue.”
 
But over the course of the past 18 months, the Netanyahu government has made Iran all about Israel. While virtually the entire world is eager for a peaceful nuclear deal, Israel stands alone (bar a few Arab states in the Persian Gulf) in opposing the talks. While Israel helped shape international consensus about Iran’s nuclear program in the years past, [link=http://www.jpost.com/International/Criticizing-Netanyahu-Obama-says-united-world-presenting-Iran-with-nuclear-deal-390508]Israel is today decisively outside of that consensus[/link].
 
 
 
The more Netanyahu has sought to undermine the talks, the more Israel has lost its ability to impact the negotiations.
 
By now, Netanyahu has crossed the real “point of no return.” Confidence in him is completely lost in the White House, so he cannot adopt Obama’s posture. His only remaining options is to double down on opposing a nuclear deal with Iran, even at the cost of an open war with the American president, of damaging U.S.-Israel relations beyond Obama, and of making Israel a partisan issue.
 
Such is the logic of adopting extremist positions. Rather than depriving the other side of options and maneuverability, Netanyahu has painted Israel in a corner.
 

[Unknown Member]

Of course Bibi refuses to meet with Feinstein

Likudniks will only associate with GOPers.

Feinstein should have known better; hopefully she learned her lesson.

[Unknown Member]

The Obama regime is at all-out war with Netanyahu.  They sent Susan Rice and John Kerry out to publicly attack Netanyahu in an unprecedented manner. Kerry criticized Bibi for supporting the US in the Iraqi conflict. if I remember correctly, Kerry voted to go to war against Iraq. Are these guys adolescents? What possible benefit is there in attacking the head-of-state of one of our closest allies? Bibi has well-founded and existential concerns for his country. Is it that problematic to hear out his concerns?  This administration strikes me as anti-Semite. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

and Bibi has gone to war with American jewish people with the snub with Feinsten…very bad dumb move ..

Quote from aldadoc

The Obama regime is at all-out war with Netanyahu.  They sent Susan Rice and John Kerry out to publicly attack Netanyahu in an unprecedented manner. Kerry criticized Bibi for supporting the US in the Iraqi conflict. if I remember correctly, Kerry voted to go to war against Iraq. Are these guys adolescents? What possible benefit is there in attacking the head-of-state of one of our closest allies? Bibi has well-founded and existential concerns for his country. Is it that problematic to hear out his concerns?  This administration strikes me as anti-Semite. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

Bibi has really isolated himself from other world leaders with his recent comments..

[eyoab2011_711]

Yes Alda that is why 70% of the Jewish vote goes to Obama
 
Here is a least a more civil explanation…
 
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/26/the-roots-of-why-obama-and-netanyahu-dislike-each-other-so-much/?hpid=z5]http://www.washingtonpost…other-so-much/?hpid=z5[/link]
 
The dislike appears personal, yes, but theres reason to believe it goes beyond the visceral. The two have an intellectual suspicion of one another, wrote Peter Beinart, who in 2012 set out the clearest analysis of the fraught relationship in the book The Crisis of Zionism.
Benjamin Netanyahu doesnt trust Barack Obama, and probably never will, Beinart wrote. The reason is simple: Obama reminds Netanyahu of what Netanyahu doesnt like about Jews their belief that they carried a moral message to the world.

[julie.young_645]

Thor, I believe you and Mr. Beinart have it precisely backwards. Mr. Beinart is the author of “[i]The Good Fight: Why Liberalsand Only LiberalsCan Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again” [/i]so we know just what we’re dealing with. Here’s my version:
 
Mr. Netanyahu reminds Mr. Obama (and the left-leaning Jews that blindly voted for him twice) that there is a level of morality and integrity beyond pandering to evil, beyond a personality-cult centered around a leader who thinks the power of his words alone are greater than the destructive force of a nuclear weapon, beyond fundamentally transforming a nation to fulfill some imagined dreams of a Socialist father and mentors.
 
For the less morally-developed among us, the simpler version is that Netanyahu is expected to point out that our emperor has no clothes, and the emperor and his courtiers simply cannot stand this. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

seeing the videotape of Bibi out on a Paris street looking isolated confused and alone waiting for a bus to take him to an event he was not invited to showed the WORLD that the he had no clothes…the cartoon incident really backs it up

Quote from DoctorDalai

Thor, I believe you and Mr. Beinart have it precisely backwards. Mr. Beinart is the author of “[i]The Good Fight: Why Liberalsand Only LiberalsCan Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again” [/i]so we know just what we’re dealing with. Here’s my version:

Mr. Netanyahu reminds Mr. Obama (and the left-leaning Jews that blindly voted for him twice) that there is a level of morality and integrity beyond pandering to evil, beyond a personality-cult centered around a leader who thinks the power of his words alone are greater than the destructive force of a nuclear weapon, beyond fundamentally transforming a nation to fulfill some imagined dreams of a Socialist father and mentors.

For the less morally-developed among us, the simpler version is that Netanyahu is expected to point out that our emperor has no clothes, and the emperor and his courtiers simply cannot stand this. 

[eyoab2011_711]

We can certainly agree that Mr Netanyahu is not morally developed….but at least you are beginning to realize that your beliefs are not held by the majority of Jews

[odayjassim1978_476]

ah yes but I am sure many of the Bernie Madoff victims look back and ask why did I put so much blind faith in a man who was a fraud

Quote from Thor

We can certainly agree that Mr Netanyahu is not morally developed….but at least you are beginning to realize that your beliefs are not held by the majority of Jews

[odayjassim1978_476]

CNN/ORC poll: 63% of Americans say it was a bad move by the speaker to extend the invitation to Bibi
don’t be a Madoff victim again thinking oh Bibi will take care of us..we are in the club

Quote from Thor

We can certainly agree that Mr Netanyahu is not morally developed….but at least you are beginning to realize that your beliefs are not held by the majority of Jews

[julie.young_645]

I’m often asked why 70+% of the Jews are so stupid as to vote for anti-Semites of the Democrat party, such as they keep doing, and why they have a Socialist outlook. There are several facets to the answer.
 
The majority of Jews in the US have been assimilated beyond being Jewish in anything other than name. They follow their parents’ beliefs that the Democrats are their friends, the living legacy of FDR, who, as it turns out, was no friend of the Jews at all.
 
There is a huge desire to “fit in” by a people that has been persecuted for thousands of years. Many Jews mistakenly believed the Marxist screed that everyone was going to be equal under Communism, and they threw themselves wholeheartedly into worship of this false g-d. It didn’t work in Russia, and it doesn’t work here. Combined in this is a significant dose of Stockholm Syndrome, wherein victims idolize their captors in an attempt to curry their favor. 
 
Why vote for an unknown entity with proven ties to Communism, anti-Semitism, and Palestinian causes? Probably white guilt with Jewish flavoring. How could we, a tiny minority, NOT vote for the black candidate? Jews have been at the forefront of the Civil Rights fight, with more Jews having been murdered in that effort than most any other non-black group. Most simply could not stomach the “shame” of looking like a “racist”.  I had several liberal Jewish friends try their best to convince me that Mr. Obama was very strongly pro-Israel. They probably knew better, but…love is blind, and often deaf and dumb as well.
 
Bottom line…to the majority of American Jews today, Israel takes fifth place beyond their love of government, their desire to be just like the Smiths and Jonses next door, i.e., their self-hatred over being “different”. I had a good friend in medical school who attributed all his social problems and anxieties to being Jewish. He became an Episcopalian, and surprise, he still has the same pathologies.
 
To state that Mr. Netanyahu is not functioning on a moral basis is simply reaction formation. It is the Left, and their leadership, that is immoral in thought and deed. Declaring it immoral for a leader to protect his people from verbalized threats as usual tells us a lot more about you than Mr. Netanyahu.
 
Finally, let’s address the unsurprising latest bleat about how [i]unfair [/i]it is that Israel has nuclear weapons and poor little Iran has none. I suppose Hitler and Mussolini and Tojo should have had nuclear weapons too, yes? Again and again the Left, as personified by a few here with somewhat racist tendencies, want to denigrate good people and elevate bad people. The victims are the aggressors and the villains are the victims. Really? Time to grow up, children. There are bad people out there, and giving them nuclear weapons won’t turn them good. Let’s hope we never have to see the proof of that statement.
 

 

 

 

[kaldridgewv2211]

The major problem in my mind is still that I have not seen proof that Iran is developing a bomb and if they did why would they use it.  Seemingly through these leaks of cables or whatever even Israeli intelligence wasn’t convinced.  I also think we have reason to doubt.  Everyone was sure Iraq has WMDs.  So all the BB talking it up just doesn’t matter to me.  War is a serious matter and I really don’t want to see another one.

[julie.young_645]

No one wants war. But no one wants to take an Iranian nuke up their wazoo either.
 
I’m afraid Israel has already lost the support of the majority of that 70%, and not due to anything Netanyahu did or didn’t do…

[odayjassim1978_476]

Bibi is being very irresponsible to snub the American jewish population

[Unknown Member]

DrDalai may not want to admit it, but American Jews have way more in common with the smiths and jones next door than they have in common with hebrew speaking people in a far away small middle eastern country.

And Israeli Jews have more in common with Arab Israelis than they do with American Jews.

[Unknown Member]

DrDalai may not want to admit it, but American Jews have way more in common with the smiths and jones next door than they have in common with hebrew speaking people in a far away small middle eastern country.

And Israeli Jews have more in common with Arab Israelis than they do with American Jews.

[odayjassim1978_476]

I know the speaker is like Bibi is bad karma…what did I get myself caught up into

[Unknown Member]

By the way DrDalai, I’m surprised you complained about the assimilation of American Jews and how they want to be “like the Smiths and Jones” next door.

All Americans of all backgrounds assimilate by the second or third generation.

What’s wrong with that?

I actually know a Jew with the last name “jones”.

There’s nothing Jewish about names like Steinberg either – these are all Grrmanic names. Jews took on such names hundreds if years ago to assimilate with their Germanic neighbors.

And Jews have been intermarrying with non Jews they lived next to in the diaspora for millennia.

Get over it.

[julie.young_645]

American Jews becoming Smiths and Joneses will cease to be Jews. This is happening to an alarming degree. THIS is the dirty little secret of the diversity movement. Jews in particular are targeted if they wish to stay within the fold and date and marry other Jews. Be diverse! we are told. But it turns out a significant percentage of children of such marriages revert to the faith of the non-Jewish parent (you would of course call that fair) or none at all. A slow death for Judaism.
 
Sadly, differences make you folks uncomfortable. Everyone should just intermix at will, and in 100 or 200 years, we will all look the same. No differences, no diversity. Happy?
 
But back to business…Here’s a link from the PALESTINIAN news paper, quoting the Kuwaiti newspaper:
 
[link=http://falastinews.com/2015/02/28/kuwaiti-newspaper-obama-threatened-to-fire-on-israeli-jets-attacking-iran/]http://falastinews.com/20…i-jets-attacking-iran/[/link]
 
Israel WAS about to take care of business last year, but received a direct threat from Mr. Obama:
 
[blockquote] However, an Israeli minister who has good ties with the US administration revealed Netanyahus plans to Secretary of State John Kerry and as a result Obama then threatened to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.
Netanyahu had to abort the operation and since then relations between Israel and the United States have been declining, according to the sources quoted in the report.
[/blockquote]  
Really, really good statesmanship. I’m so very proud of our President. NOT. 
 
 

[odayjassim1978_476]

u believe that junk..Israel is always in don’t hold me back mode..just do it Israel and let the repercussions be dealt solely by u

Quote from DoctorDalai

American Jews becoming Smiths and Joneses will cease to be Jews. This is happening to an alarming degree. THIS is the dirty little secret of the diversity movement. Jews in particular are targeted if they wish to stay within the fold and date and marry other Jews. Be diverse! we are told. But it turns out a significant percentage of children of such marriages revert to the faith of the non-Jewish parent (you would of course call that fair) or none at all. A slow death for Judaism.

Sadly, differences make you folks uncomfortable. Everyone should just intermix at will, and in 100 or 200 years, we will all look the same. No differences, no diversity. Happy?

But back to business…Here’s a link from the PALESTINIAN news paper, quoting the Kuwaiti newspaper:

[link=http://falastinews.com/2015/02/28/kuwaiti-newspaper-obama-threatened-to-fire-on-israeli-jets-attacking-iran/]http://falastinews.com/20…i-jets-attacking-iran/[/link]

Israel WAS about to take care of business last year, but received a direct threat from Mr. Obama:

[blockquote]However, an Israeli minister who has good ties with the US administration revealed Netanyahus plans to Secretary of State John Kerry and as a result Obama then threatened to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.
Netanyahu had to abort the operation and since then relations between Israel and the United States have been declining, according to the sources quoted in the report.
[/blockquote]  
Really, really good statesmanship. I’m so very proud of our President. NOT. 

[Unknown Member]

Anyone care to answer how netanyahu can expect iran to not build a nuke bomb when Usrael itself has over 200 of them?

It’s like a confirmed pothead complaining to the school principal that another student MIGHT be trying to get their hands on some pot.

[btomba_77]

If the Israeli government, thrugh imprudent decisions, finally fully loses the support of that 70% of the American Jewry that leans Democrat it will have terrible consequences for the future of Israel.
 
It will prove to be a terrible mistake to write them off as misguided, self-loathing, or psychologically fragile.  
 
Israel needs the American Jewish left, like it or not.

[Unknown Member]

“American Jews becoming smiths and jones will cease to be Jews”

Really DrDalai !?

Google Rabbi Smith and you fill find several rabbis named Smith

I’m sure these Rabbi Smiths knowledge of the Torah is deeper than yours – they’re rabbis after all while you’re a doctor, not a rabbi.

First you tell us that liberal Jews and leftist Jews are self hating Jews.

Now you tell us that a person with the name smith or jones can’t be a real Jew.

What’s next?

[btomba_77]

American Jews becoming Smiths and Joneses will cease to be Jews. This is happening to an alarming degree. THIS is the dirty little secret of the diversity movement. Jews in particular are targeted if they wish to stay within the fold and date and marry other Jews. Be diverse! we are told. But it turns out a significant percentage of children of such marriages revert to the faith of the non-Jewish parent (you would of course call that fair) or none at all. A slow death for Judaism.

 
 
That doesn’t mean death for Judaism.  But in the US when combined with rapidly increasing rate of non-religiosity among American jews it does cut away from the reformed side of Judaism.
 
Mostly moderate/progressive jews leave the faith leaving mostly orthodox conservative in the fold.   
 
This to a large extent explains to slow move toward the GOP in the US among jews.   20 years ago only 12% voted Republican, now it’s more like 30%.

[Unknown Member]

DrDalai believes that you’re not. Real Jew unless

1. You are a republican/Likud supporter
2. Not a member of j street
3. Not intermarried
4. Not having smith or jones as a last name is apparently the newest requirement to be a real Jew.

[julie.young_645]

And PASSRBL is now the world’s expert on who is a Jew and who isn’t. 
 
A REAL Jew is someone either borne of a Jewish mother, or who has converted in the proscribed manner. That is Jewish doctrine.
 
I do ask the gentle readers to notice how words are twisted by PASSRBL and company. But maybe he simply doesn’t speak English, eh? The gentleman CLAIMS that English is his mother tongue, but has no understanding of the slightest nuance of the language. Yet another misrepresentation?
 

[Unknown Member]

Great quote by Caroline Glick:
 
[i]”Netanyahu is not coming to Washington next Tuesday to warn Congress against Obamas nuclear deal with Iran, because he seeks a fight with Obama. Netanyahu has devoted the last six years to avoiding a fight with Obama, often at great cost to Israels national security and to his own political position.[/i]
[i]Netanyahu is coming to Washington next week because Obama has left him no choice. And all decent people of good will should support him, and those who do not, and those who are silent, should be called out for their treachery and cowardice”[/i]
 
[link]http://carolineglick.com/in-israels-hour-of-need/[/link]
[link=http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/02/netanyahus-moment.php]http://www.powerlineblog…./netanyahus-moment.php[/link]
 
I have a feeling that The Obama interference with Bibi coming to Congress is going to backfire big time on Obama. The White House seems to know the risk of Bibi laying out a coherent argument against the Iran deal; hence the insults, the desperation, the Susan Rice & John Kerry comments and the prebuttal to Bibi’s speech. To quote Nancy Pelosi: “Amateur hour.”

[Unknown Member]

Notice how Dalai is incapable of making any statements without personal attacks

Just makes him look more and more foolish

[Unknown Member]

Yes, I know someone born of a jewish mother is halakikally jewish.

So if Mr Jones and Ms Cohen get married, those Jones kids are all Jews.

If Mr Smith converts to Judaism, he becomes a Jew.

It’s not that.

Your real problem is that because you’re an illiberal person, the thought of Smiths and Jones marrying Jews really sets your blood on fire.

[Unknown Member]

Also Dalai

Stop these comments about my English Yes it is my native language.

I don’t know if Hebrew or English is your native language, but for me it is English.
 
I would not be surprised if English is not your native language though – it would explain why you have to come up with silly terms like PASSrbl or whatever instead of engaging in an intelligent debate.
 
Unfortunately, there is no Hebrew version of AM.com, so I guess you’re stuck here.
 
 

[julie.young_645]

You are a real piece of work, PASSRBL.
 
For the audience, that stands for Putrid Anti-Semitic Socialist Racist Bigot Liar. PASSRBL is simply much easier to type. As a gesture of kindness, I’ll drop the Putrid, leaving us with ASSRBL. 
 
English is my first and only language, thank you. I have a minimal working knowledge of Hebrew, and German. Implying that I need a Hebrew version of Aunt Minnie,simply because ASSRBL doesn’t get what I’m saying, is rather personal and nasty, and pretty much racist, don’t you think? I point out ASSRBL’s difficulty with the language as he quite clearly does not understand some very simple nuances. Let’s take the Smith and Jones example. OF COURSE there are Jews named Smith and Jones. I used those very common Anglo-Saxon names as an EXAMPLE of the secular, bland, NON-diverse end-point of complete and total assimilation that is devouring Jewish culture in America (which is what ASSRBL wants anyway.) Since ASSRBL is incapable of grasping simple English constructs of this sort, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt of not being an English speaker rather than being foolish and a lying twister of words. I guess he prefers the latter. Oh, so “intermarrying sets my blood on fire”? Now ASSRBL knows whats in my heart as well. I highly recommend a trip to Las Vegas, or at least the purchase of a few dozen PowerBall tickets, since his ESP is so highly refined. No, intermarriage doesn’t “set my blood on fire” but it does sadden me. The calls for “diversity” are really calls to disappear. If I may interpret the reaction formation, it is my disinterest in homogenizing with everyone in the world that sets ASSRBL’s blood on fire. HOW DARE the nasty Jews wish to remain a distinct entity and not blend in with everyone else, and become submerged in the bland quagmire that would result? As usual, it is the Jews insistence on being Jews (those of us who still do) and Israel on being the Jewish homeland that angers the One-World delusional Left to the point of apoplexy. 
 
As for personal attacks…I won’t bother going back years to see “who started it” but ASSRBL has been bleating his anti-Semitic screed around here literally for YEARS. I DO take it personally. Arguments are never framed in terms of discussion, but rather cloaked in hate speech. ASSRBL has only just recently agreed to drop the term “apartheid” when speaking of Israelis and Palestinians, but continues to use inflammatory rhetoric such as you see in the posts above. I’m particularly amused by the statements straight out of Mein Kampf such as “Jews run Congress.”  In ASSRBL’s delusional world, Jewish people like me are expected to join the self-loathers that agree that Israel should drop all defenses and dissolve itself into some secular socialist paradise, wherein all Jews will be killed or exiled the second the IDL drops its arms. Hard not to take that personally.  I know I’ll never convince the hard Left around here of much of anything, but there are others, maybe 2 or 3 of them, who lurk and don’t post, and it is for them I slave away against the tide. Hope you enjoy!

[julie.young_645]

AM is duplicating posts. Of course, my stuff is so good it should be read a second time, but I leave that to the reader’s discretion. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

goggle Israel’s desperate search for energy and the claim for gaza oilfield found in the sea and in the basins and all of this makes sense with Bibi’s  amateur attempts to keep it all and the truth that he can’t

[Unknown Member]

Chill out DrDalai

I don’t want you to stroke out or get an MI

We should get together for coffee someday.

We’ve read probably over a thousand of each other’s posts and responded to the same – I’d like to meet you in person for coffee one day.

We won’t talk politics.

Good you speak German – so do I by the way !

[eyoab2011_711]

Funny how Dalai believes that all others must assimilate into the US but apparently not Jews.  They somehow must be loyal not to the US but to another country; yet dare not leave.  Truly sad that you put your religion over country
 
Oh and here is another raging anti-Semite
 
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/at-what-price-netanyahu/2015/02/27/96f9efae-be81-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html]http://www.washingtonpost…5209a3bc9a9_story.html[/link]

[Unknown Member]

Maybe this will shed some light on why Netanyahu welcomed the invitation to speak to Congress and why relationships between Israel and Obama are strained:
 
[link=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191966#.VPNwDEI-BBw]http://www.israelnational…px/191966#.VPNwDEI-BBw[/link]
 
[i]”The Bethlehem-based news agency [i]Maan[/i] has cited a Kuwaiti newspaper report Saturday, that US President Barack Obama thwarted an Israeli military attack against Iran’s nuclear facilities in 2014 by threatening to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.[/i]
 
[i]Following Obama’s threat, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was reportedly forced to abort the planned Iran attack.[/i]
 
[i]According to [i]Al-Jarida[/i], the Netanyahu government took the decision to strike Iran some time in 2014 soon after Israel had discovered the United States and Iran had been involved in secret talks over Irans nuclear program and were about to sign an agreement in that regard behind Israel’s back.”[/i]
 

[eyoab2011_711]

Good…he prevented a nasty war if this is true and doesn’t say much about Bibi either…sounds like he is scared of Obama and not the stalwart principled leader he claims to be.
 
Like all leaks the timing is interesting too

[odayjassim1978_476]

Feinstein said today Bibi does not speak for her and mentioned his ego
Obama stands up to the  arrogant cartoon carrier because he knows as Romney said he got his peeps who will support him to the end and use the speaker ‘s lips routine to tell bibi kiss it
no more American soldiers lives for wars based on faux Israeli intelligence

Quote from Thor

Good…he prevented a nasty war if this is true and doesn’t say much about Bibi either…sounds like he is scared of Obama and not the stalwart principled leader he claims to be.

Like all leaks the timing is interesting too

[odayjassim1978_476]

she(Feinstein) said arrogance does not befit Israel
 

[julie.young_645]

Here’s another Kagan for you:
 
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-reasons-netanyahu-should-not-address-congress/2015/01/29/1c8c66a4-a7e1-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html]http://www.washingtonpost…df2002b86a0_story.html[/link]
 
Basically Kagan is significantly to the right of Ghengis Khan, and thinks Netanyahu shouldn’t speak because we in America know everything already and we wouldn’t want to give the Anti-Semites more ammunition.  Whoopie.
 
As for assimilation and your implication that I am not patriotic…. Wrong, and offensive at that. I am simply suggesting we actually practice the diversity you hypocrites crow about. To be part of diversity, a group has to maintain its own identity. This is so obvious you can’t see it. What you hair-shirt types are drooling over is the intermarriage of all of humanity such that our ancestors will all look the same, sound the same, and end up with no diversity at all. 
 
SadRad, I would really like to take you up on your kind offer, but…. I honestly think you are misguided by your liberal indoctrination to the point that you truly don’t understand just how hateful your rhetoric has become. You think you are standing up for the downtrodden, but you end up echoing the racists you decry. Think long and hard about it. We’ll see how you progress as you become older, wiser, and perhaps more seasoned. I’ve managed only to become older, but I have high hopes for the rest of you.

[btomba_77]

[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-and-lavrov-meet-in-geneva/2015/03/02/41e8f2d2-9ac5-4408-bf7f-031674cc1a0d_story.html]http://www.washingtonpost…31674cc1a0d_story.html[/link]
 
 
John Kerry gives a full-throated defense of Israel decrying anti-Israel bias in proceedings of the UN Human Rights Council.
 
 
 
It’s a good carrot/stick approach.  It shows an attempt to de-escalate and reinforce US-Israeli ties ahead of the speech.   But it also reminds Israel how much they depend on US veto power over anti-Israel measures in the UN and how that support to go away.

[eyoab2011_711]

Who knew there were so many anti-semites in the Israeli military…
 
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-security-veterans-speak-out-against-netanyahu-speech/2015/03/01/d6300530-c02c-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html?wprss=rss_world]http://www.washingtonpost…y.html?wprss=rss_world[/link]
 
Meanwhile Bibi grovels at AIPAC….btw why couldn’t he give his cartoon bomb speech there?

[julie.young_645]

The fortunately toothless UN is completely in the hands of anti-semitic folks, although we in the US pay the bill. How come none of you squawk about that? 95% of the resolutions coming out of the UN vilify Israel and ignore all the really bad stuff going on in the world. Rather like you fine gentlemen.
 
As for the expected discovery of anti-Netanyahu material by the liberal Washington Pest, big deal.
 
So if Netanyahu doesn’t grovel before Dear Leader, he’s an SOB. If he does use the slightest conciliatory language, he’s a groveler. Heads I win, tails you lose, but liberals have never been known to be fair to anyone but themselves.
 
The one thing I hope Netanyahu [i]doesn’t [/i]do tomorrow is grovel. He’s been forced to grovel to the anti-Semite in chief once too often. But if he thinks it will keep Iran at bay he might resort to such unfortunate behavior. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

He doesn’t have to come here.  If it’s about pride maybe he should stop taking the US aid.  It’s something like 13 billion right?  Google says in 2010 there were 122 million paying taxes, so the US could hand everyone back a $100 bill (or more likely use it for something else).

[julie.young_645]

Is it all about the money? How much would it cost to rebuilt New York City or Washington, D.C. from a nuclear attack? How much did it cost to rebuilt even the WTC and Pentagon after 9/11? But it’s all about the money, now, eh?
 
At this point, sit back and see what Mr. Netanyahu has to say. You gentlemen, and Messrs. Obama and Kerry, might actually learn something.
 
This speech didn’t need to become a fiasco. Had the juveniles in the White House and the State Department been thinking like adults, they would have shrugged their shoulders, attended the speech, clapped politely, possibly/probably learned something they needed to know, and gone about the business of protecting us from the evil folks out there. 
 
So why make a big, huge fuss? Why turn this into a pi$$ing contest when that wasn’t necessary? For that matter, why thwart Netanhayu from taking care of the problem himself by threatening to shoot down Israeli planes (which would have been an act of war against Israel, by the way) and then calling him a chicken-sh*t for bowing to this intense pressure? Hmmmm? This has become an intensely personal, infantile tantrum by Mr. Obama, who absolutely, viscerally [i]hates [/i]Mr. Netanyahu in the manner kpack [i]hates [/i]W. That, folks, is [i]not [/i]the way to run foreign policy, or a nation, for that matter. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

yawn he said nothing new but it was nice to see all the protestors in DC wearing Bibi mask with red paint on their hands as they carried signs saying war criminal…nice  shot for Jpost to put on the front page for the upcoming election

[eyoab2011_711]

Condi Rice mushroom clouds again?  Was Iran involved in 9/11 or was that Sunnis from Saudi Arabia?  When has Iran attacked Israel?  Why would a nuclear bomb make that any more likely?  For all the rhetoric has NK nuked SK yet?  Where is you evidence that an Iranian nuke is less safe than it is in the hands of NK, Pakistan or Israel for that matter?

[kayla.meyer_144]

WWIII by proxy, with the US as the proxy.
 
That’s Bibi’s view. McCain & the GOP is for no proxy, just us, no proxy needed, let’s just, “Bomb, bomb, bomb,,,bomb, bomb Iran….” (Repeat and then repeat several more times melodically.)

[julie.young_645]

Yeah, Chamberlain didn’t think Germany was going to harm England either. Just let them have Czechoslovakia and they’ll go away. And the Nazis weren’t half as insane as the Iranian leadership. You boys are so utterly petrified over the dangers these Iranian maniacs present to us and to the rest of the world, you have to do everything you possibly can to ignore them, including hiding behind Mama Obama’s skirts. He’ll protect you. Sure he will. Maybe from Netanyahu telling the truth, but little more.
 
An apropos [link=https://www.commentarymagazine.com]quote[/link]:
[blockquote] Narcissists hate to be embarrassed, which is precisely what Mr. Netanyahu will do to Mr. Obama tomorrow from the well of Congress. Unlike the president, the Israeli prime minister wont be nasty or personal about it. Rather, he will do it, I suspect, with surgical precision, demolishing one Obama argument after another. Which will only infuriate Mr. Obama even more. (So will the fact that Mr. Netanyahus popularity in America is [link=http://www.gallup.com/poll/181778/netanyahu-favorable-rating-improves.aspx]increasing[/link] despite, and perhaps because of, the administrations childish attacks on him.)
Mr. Netanyahu is everything Barack Obama is not: Strong, tough, shrewd, unwilling to bend and bow to tyrants and willing to stand up for his nation and defend it abroad. On some level, Mr. Obama must surely know this. He hates Mr. Netanyahu for it, even as others of us admire him all the more for it.
 
[/blockquote] Hope you petulant gentlemen will be watching tomorrow. You’ll see how a REAL leader acts, not the milquetoast Marxist you all love. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

the only truth Bibi knows is his EGO….his arrogance has not helped Israel at all
pic of Code Pink at AIPAC

[odayjassim1978_476]

another pic from code pink protest

[odayjassim1978_476]

keep living in fairy land

Quote from DoctorDalai

Yeah, Chamberlain didn’t think Germany was going to harm England either. Just let them have Czechoslovakia and they’ll go away. And the Nazis weren’t half as insane as the Iranian leadership. You boys are so utterly petrified over the dangers these Iranian maniacs present to us and to the rest of the world, you have to do everything you possibly can to ignore them, including hiding behind Mama Obama’s skirts. He’ll protect you. Sure he will. Maybe from Netanyahu telling the truth, but little more.

An apropos [link=https://www.commentarymagazine.com]quote[/link]:
[blockquote]Narcissists hate to be embarrassed, which is precisely what Mr. Netanyahu will do to Mr. Obama tomorrow from the well of Congress. Unlike the president, the Israeli prime minister wont be nasty or personal about it. Rather, he will do it, I suspect, with surgical precision, demolishing one Obama argument after another. Which will only infuriate Mr. Obama even more. (So will the fact that Mr. Netanyahus popularity in America is [link=http://www.gallup.com/poll/181778/netanyahu-favorable-rating-improves.aspx]increasing[/link] despite, and perhaps because of, the administrations childish attacks on him.)
Mr. Netanyahu is everything Barack Obama is not: Strong, tough, shrewd, unwilling to bend and bow to tyrants and willing to stand up for his nation and defend it abroad. On some level, Mr. Obama must surely know this. He hates Mr. Netanyahu for it, even as others of us admire him all the more for it.

[/blockquote] Hope you petulant gentlemen will be watching tomorrow. You’ll see how a REAL leader acts, not the milquetoast Marxist you all love. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

warren and Franken join the list of 50 congressional democrats skipping out on the desperate display of by a man with a GIANT eGO trying to stay in office..has he no shame

[Unknown Member]

No worries, nobody is going to miss Fauxahontas , The Joker and the 50 mental Lilliputians. It is going to be standing room only for the rest of the wold.

[Unknown Member]

One day the grandchildren of some of these idiot “representatives” is going to ask: Grandma/grandpaw, were you really there in person when Prime Minister Netanyahu gave his famous speech to the US Congress?
 
No junior, I was at home eating pizza and watching re-runs of Obama playing golf.

[odayjassim1978_476]

aldi..it’s not famous don’t buy into the narcissitic view of Bibi’s egO
  get a dose of reality and google on you tube the code pink protest at AIPAC

[Unknown Member]

How can you claim to be part of the “greatest deliberative body in the world” if you shut your eyes and ears? … idiots!

[odayjassim1978_476]

stop Projecting…ignorance is not bliss..Bibi’s arrogance does nothing for Israel

Quote from aldadoc

How can you claim to be part of the “greatest deliberative body in the world” if you shut your eyes and ears? … idiots!

[julie.young_645]

[link=http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2015/03/03/why-obama-so-dislikes-netanyahu-n1964831/page/full]Here’s[/link] another answer to the question of just why it is Mr. Obama and some of the mental giants around here hate Mr. Netanyahu (emphasis mine):
 
[blockquote]But there is another question: Why?
And the answer is due to an important rule of life that too few people are aware of:
[size=”6″][i][b]Those who do not confront evil resent those who do.[/b][/i][/size]
Take the case at hand. The prime minister of Israel is at the forefront of the greatest battle against evil in our time — the battle against violent Muslims. No country other than Israel is threatened with extinction, and it is Iran and the many Islamic terror organizations that pose that threat.
It only makes sense, then, that no other country feels the need to warn the world about Iran and Islamic terror as much as Israel. That’s why when Benjamin Netanyahu speaks to the United Nations about the threat Iran poses to his country’s survival and about the metastasizing cancer of Islamist violence, he, unfortunately, stands alone.
Virtually everyone listening knows he is telling the truth. And most dislike him for it.
Appeasers hate those who confront evil. 
Given that this president is the least likely of any president in American history to confront evil — or even identify it — while Benjamin Netanyahu is particularly vocal and eloquent about both identifying and confronting evil, it is inevitable that the former will resent the latter.
[/blockquote] Think for a moment about the contrived insult the White House has concocted. “Netanyahu [i]disrespected[/i] Obama!” What does that sound like? It sounds like something you might hear in the headquarters of some ghetto street gang full of thugs. “Disrespected.” If anyone has been “disrespected” it is Mr. Netanyahu. I don’t have to repeat the slights he’s endured from the current administration.
 
Mr. Netanyahu will be receiving thunderous applause tonight. I’ll be watching and applauding along with Congress. This country hungers fro a true leader, who is not afraid to call evil by its name. Similarly, the evildoers and their appeasers cannot [i]stand[/i] to be exposed as such, and thus they must hate anyone who reveals the ugly truth. Some here should think about that before they hit “Post Message”. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

So Dalai, we are looking at a future WWIII scenario in your view, the new Chamberlain or not. It’s inevitable.

[btomba_77]

Add Elizabeth Warren and Al Franken to the list of Democrats not attending the speech.

[julie.young_645]

Who started WWII? Did we? Did England? Did France? No……
 
Who started WWIII? Did we? Did Israel? No…but make no mistake, it has already started. We can hide behind MamaObama’s skirts or defend ourselves. Handing the enemy a nuclear weapon and making them promise not to use it isn’t terribly smart, now is it?
 
As an aside, [link=http://freebeacon.com/national-security/state-department-tweets-speech-by-cleric-who-blames-unrest-on-global-zionist-conspiracy/]here [/link]is another racist hero for SadRad…they spout the very same garbage:
[blockquote] The State Departments counterterrorism office is facing pushback after promoting recent remarks by a Muslim cleric who blamed regional unrest in the Middle East on what he called a conspiracy by a new global colonialism allied to world Zionism.
The State Departments official anti-terrorism Twitter account last week tweeted out remarks made by a leading Muslim cleric who, during a speech in Mecca, linked terrorism by the Islamic State (IS) to a plot by supporters of Israel around the world.
Al-Azhar Grand Imam Ahmed al-Tayeb, a leading voice in Sunni Islam, made the comments during a counter-terrorism rally held in the Muslim holy city last week, [link=http://news.yahoo.com/top-muslim-cleric-urges-education-reform-curb-extremism-190004492.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]according[/link] to AFP.
Al-Tayeb blamed unrest in the region on a conspiracy by what he called new global colonialism allied to world Zionism, according to the AFP report, which was linked to by the State Departments Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications (CSCC).
Al-Tayeb went on to say that the plot has exploited confessional tension in conflict-hit Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Libya, according to the report.
Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei communicated the same view as al-Tayeb on Monday, when he [link=https://twitter.com/Kredo0/status/572483879182991360]tweeted[/link] that all of the Western worlds problems stem from Zionist domination over governments.
[/blockquote] Nice to know who is on whose side in all this. Including members of our own State Department.
 

[julie.young_645]

Time to watch!  Here’s the link:
 
[link=http://video.foxnews.com/v/2554225322001/israeli-pm-netanyahu-addresses-joint-meeting-of-congress/?#sp=watch-live]http://video.foxnews.com/…ngress/?#sp=watch-live[/link]

[btomba_77]

Well, it certainly is alliterative so far.
 
He should have gone even further with “terrible tentacles of terror and tyranny”

[julie.young_645]

Mock all you want. He is speaking the truth and you know it.
 
“The greatest danger to the world today is the marriage of millitant Islam and nuclear weapons.”

[eyoab2011_711]

And a nice grovel to start too…insincerity is an art form

[julie.young_645]

If he did anything else, you would have been angry that he didn’t praise oh great and wonderful BO. Listen to the message and get your head out of BO’s backside for a few moments.

[btomba_77]

Politics and appropriateness aside –
 
Well written, well delivered, well played.

[julie.young_645]

A very clear message: Don’t trust Iran, stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon before it’s too late. And some thinly veiled threats that Israel will take care of business if it has to. 
 
Standing ovation after standing ovation after standing ovation. Not because AIPAC controls Congress, but because a leader stood before Congress and told them THE TRUTH! 
 
You boys can go wallow in your anger and hatred. You’ve just heard the truth as delivered by a statesman. Choke on it. You can bet your milquetoast Marxist idol is curled up in a ball sucking his thumb about now.

[kaldridgewv2211]

What makes it the truth?  I still see no proof in what he’s saying just a lot of accusation of Iran.  Also what’s the point about applause.  The people that showed up are the ones that wanted to see his speech and generally speeches always get applause.  You can put BO up there, and people will applaud him.  It was just the typical him playing up the buddy card, and saying gotta stop Iran.

[julie.young_645]

I’m waiting on the numbers on standing ovations per minute for Netanyahu vs. B.O. You won’t like them.
 
What makes this the truth? You KNOW it’s the truth. Deny it all you wish. 

[Unknown Member]

Obama’s worst nightmare comes true.  The new leader of the free world emerges to a State of the Union-like ovation in  front of the world stage. Mission accomplished. Bibi  exposes the Obama charade and shoots in the a$$ any chance of Obama’s secret Faustian deal with Iran getting any support.

[btomba_77]

Quote from aldadoc

Obama’s worst nightmare comes true.  The new leader of the free world emerges to a State of the Union-like ovation in  front of the world stage. Mission accomplished. Bibi  exposes the Obama charade and shoots in the a$$ any chance of Obama’s secret Faustian deal with Iran getting any support.

Is that really your take away?
 
I would bet that the Obama administration will double down on efforts with the P5 +1 to push through a deal now.
 
___
 
Netanyahu did a fine job to dampening down the diplomatic flames by appearing to be nonpartisan and expressing regret for the conflict over the speech.
 
He almost certainly improved his domestic political standing going into the elections as well.
 
But did he knock the current path of Iran negotiations off the rails? Doubtful.
 
Obama knew that Netanyahu would portray him (and any other that would favor a negotiated deal with Iran) as naive.   Their fundamental difference of opinion is unchanged.  And I am highly doubtful that any significant political player comes out of this talk with an altered position.  At the same time having gone forward with the speech Israel has made it much less likely that it will have any influence over the administration as final talks approach.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from DoctorDalai

I’m waiting on the numbers on standing ovations per minute for Netanyahu vs. B.O. You won’t like them.

What makes this the truth? You KNOW it’s the truth. Deny it all you wish. 

it was like a 20 minute long, he had a audience of people that wanted to buy what he was pushing.  It’s not an accomplishment to get those people to clap anymore than it is to get my dog to sit when I’m offering him a treat. 
 
Truth is based on evidence, show me evidence I’ll believe.  Also what exactly was his plan to stop Iran from allegedly getting a nuclear weapon?

[julie.young_645]

The vast majority of the United States Congress, minus several dozen sycophants, liked and applauded. 
 
Iran sponsors state terror throughout the region, and will export it wherever it can. You KNOW this. Everyone KNOWS this. But keep denying and denying and denying. Clearly, the only evidence that would convince people like you would be either a signed statement from the Ayatollah announcing his intentions (which we pretty much already have) or a nuke directed straight at your coccyx. You’ll keep denying and denying and denying until that occurs. Fortunately Congress now has a majority of folks whose lips aren’t so firmly planted on a certain posterior that they can see what is going on around them.
 
What’s the plan? It’s simple…don’t TRUST Iran. Don’t hand them the keys to a nuclear weapon and believe them when they solemnly promise to never ever ever use it. 

[julie.young_645]

[blockquote] Ladies and gentlemen, I’ve come here today to tell you we don’t have to bet the security of the world on the hope that Iran will change for the better. We don’t have to gamble with our future and with our children’s future.
We can insist that restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program not be lifted for as long as Iran continues its aggression in the region and in the world.
(APPLAUSE)
Before lifting those restrictions, the world should demand that Iran do three things. First, stop its aggression against its neighbors in the Middle East. Second…
(APPLAUSE)
Second, stop supporting terrorism around the world.
(APPLAUSE)
And third, stop threatening to annihilate my country, Israel, the one and only Jewish state.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you.
If the world powers are not prepared to insist that Iran change its behavior before a deal is signed, at the very least they should insist that Iran change its behavior before a deal expires.
(APPLAUSE)
If Iran changes its behavior, the restrictions would be lifted. If Iran doesn’t change its behavior, the restrictions should not be lifted.
(APPLAUSE)
If Iran wants to be treated like a normal country, let it act like a normal country.
(APPLAUSE)
My friends, what about the argument that there’s no alternative to this deal, that Iran’s nuclear know-how cannot be erased, that its nuclear program is so advanced that the best we can do is delay the inevitable, which is essentially what the proposed deal seeks to do?
Well, nuclear know-how without nuclear infrastructure doesn’t get you very much. A racecar driver without a car can’t drive. A pilot without a plan can’t fly. Without thousands of centrifuges, tons of enriched uranium or heavy water facilities, Iran can’t make nuclear weapons.
(APPLAUSE)
Iran’s nuclear program can be rolled back well-beyond the current proposal by insisting on a better deal and keeping up the pressure on a very vulnerable regime, especially given the recent collapse in the price of oil.
(APPLAUSE)
Now, if Iran threatens to walk away from the table and this often happens in a Persian bazaar call their bluff. They’ll be back, because they need the deal a lot more than you do.
(APPLAUSE)
And by maintaining the pressure on Iran and on those who do business with Iran, you have the power to make them need it even more.
My friends, for over a year, we’ve been told that no deal is better than a bad deal. Well, this is a bad deal. It’s a very bad deal. We’re better off without it.
(APPLAUSE)
Now we’re being told that the only alternative to this bad deal is war. That’s just not true.
The alternative to this bad deal is a much better deal.
(APPLAUSE)
A better deal that doesn’t leave Iran with a vast nuclear infrastructure and such a short break-out time. A better deal that keeps the restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program in place until Iran’s aggression ends.
(APPLAUSE)
A better deal that won’t give Iran an easy path to the bomb. A better deal that Israel and its neighbors may not like, but with which we could live, literally. And no country…
(APPLAUSE)
… no country has a greater stake no country has a greater stake than Israel in a good deal that peacefully removes this threat.
Ladies and gentlemen, history has placed us at a fateful crossroads. We must now choose between two paths. One path leads to a bad deal that will at best curtail Iran’s nuclear ambitions for a while, but it will inexorably lead to a nuclear-armed Iran whose unbridled aggression will inevitably lead to war.
The second path, however difficult, could lead to a much better deal, that would prevent a nuclear-armed Iran, a nuclearized Middle East and the horrific consequences of both to all of humanity.
 
[/blockquote]

[Unknown Member]

i believe that there is little hope for humanity. I just wish that people would stop killing each other in the name of “religion.”  Perhaps religion should be looked at more closely. One thing I do not understand, is this…
 
The economy has been bouncing along the bottom now since 2008.  An entire generation has now lost so much they will probably never catch up.  Washington…..the GOP mostly….has done everything possible to obstruct and hobble any economic recovery.  They have refused every common sense solution to jump-start the economy.  Universal healthcare?  No.   Student loan forgiveness?  No.  Housing subsidies for the poor?  No.  Increased funding for job training/education?  No.  Rebuilding infrastructure?  No.   All of the above are examples of Godless socialism.

The same GOP politicians who refuse every manner of aid to the American poor automatically vote yes to billions of dollars in aid to Israel.  Israel is a country that has universal health care.  Israel is a country that provides free/low cost education and job training.  Israel is a country that provides housing subsidies.  Israel funds massive public works projects, etc.

In addition to providing billions in direct aid, Washington provides billions in ‘loans’ to Israel, almost of which have been ‘forgiven’ before they come due.   Nice.  You think Washington will ever forgive your student loans?

Now, I have nothing against Israel, and hope for the best for all of the peoples of the middle east, but I’ll start worrying about Israel when the US gov gives me the same deal it gives Israeli citizens.

I do understand Bibi’s stance on a nuclear Iran…simply because their supreme leader has vowed to wipe Israel from the face if tge earth, but, how about this? 

there is a pretty simple solution to the whole Iran thing. It’d cost a lot up front, but would benefit everyone. Iran claims their enrichment centrifuges are for power generation. Offer to buy their centrifuges and sell them CANDU technology. CANDU style reactors do not require enriched Uranium, they can run on natural Uranium, spent fuel from a regular reactor, Thorium, Plutonium (though the last one is a bad idea for Iran) They don’t breed Plutonium so you can’t use them to make weapons. They’re a Canadian invention (we didn’t have the heavy industry capacity to make centrifuges, or run them effectively) and the modern ones are about 40% more efficient than regular reactors. If they build one of them they could provide shiat tons of power. They obviously have Uranium to centrifuge so that means they could run the reactor on the unenriched Uranium instead. *or* they could burn the non plutonium nuclear waste from western countries. At that point if they’re unwilling to give up the centrifuges, destroy them.

Makes sense to me. 

[julie.young_645]

The GOP has refused to participate in wealth transfer. If you think that would save the nation, you are in good company around here, but I happen to disagree. 
 
It is ironic in a sense that Israel began its life as a socialist-leaning nation, and has some remnants today, although Stir overstates them somewhat. It is said that the Soviet Union, one of the first nations to recognize Israel, turned on in because Israel turned away from socialism.
 
The centrifuge swap is an interesting idea. Propose it to your Congressman, but it won’t go anywhere. It would serve as a sort of litmus test to confirm Iran’s intentions. But do you REALLY have the slightest doubt on what their intentions are toward Israel and toward the West? If you do, count yourself among the naive. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Interesting article
 
[link=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffirstlook.org%2Ftheintercept%2F2015%2F03%2F02%2Fbrief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb%2F&ei=YAj2VM_6JcObNovogeAF&usg=AFQjCNE9s52BSO-iGapdTEoSETjTZ7x8bw&sig2=X-SDwJE-Ww1KeO0lMk2w_Q&bvm=bv.87269000,d.eXY]https://www.google.com/ur…;bvm=bv.87269000,d.eXY[/link]
 
He gave apparently a speech with similar rhetoric in 96 in front of congress.  He was also testifying in front of congress in 02 that Iraq had an advanced nuclear program.  We all know how that turned out.

[julie.young_645]

The mentality of the Iranian rulers has not changed. What HAS changed is that Israel has been able to interrupt their nuclear program in clandestine ways over the years. They have assassinated (there is no nicer word for it) some of Iran’s nuclear scientists, and created the STUXNET virus which wiped out some of the centrifuges. Of course, President Milquetoast Marxist in his drive to be the world’s peacemaker (while the other nations of the world laugh at him behind his back) exposed STUXNET and allowed Iran to defend against it. 
 
So as you and the other liberal sycophants, particularly those in the press, run to hide again behind MamaObama’s dress after sassing Netanyahu, keep in mind that without Israeli intervention, those ’96 and subsequent predictions would have come to pass. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!
 
It gets tired after years of hearing the same screaming story about Chamberlains & Hitlers & Stalins & mushroom clouds over Israel or Washington (Rice’s warning). Last I heard Jerusalem was a holy city to the Muslims too so dropping a thermonuclear device on Al-Aqsa mosque might not be a realistic scenario.

[julie.young_645]

Please find the references to Jerusalem in the Quran. There aren’t any.
 
Clearly, none of you will be satisfied until a weapon is deployed and millions die. Then you can say, “Oops, sorry, wrong again!”. IF you survive. 
 

[psalat]

Quote from DoctorDalai

Please find the references to Jerusalem in the Quran. There aren’t any.

Clearly, none of you will be satisfied until a weapon is deployed and millions die. Then you can say, “Oops, sorry, wrong again!”. IF you survive. 

 
Aqsa mosque in Jearuslem is directly referenced in the Quran.

[julie.young_645]

There is some question that Al Aqsa is the same as the site (“town”) referenced in the Quran. I have no doubt the Iranians would bomb it anyway.  
 
I think Netanyahu made it very clear that the fight against Iran is everyone’s war, but that Israel would go it alone if need be. 
 
ONLY the Muslim Extremists are out to destroy the world, by the way. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

let Israel go it alone ..because he offered no new solutions and gave the same deranged rant

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DoctorDalai

Please find the references to Jerusalem in the Quran. There aren’t any.

Clearly, none of you will be satisfied until a weapon is deployed and millions die. Then you can say, “Oops, sorry, wrong again!”. IF you survive. 

A word game.
 
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque[/link]
[b][/b]

[b]Al-Aqsa Mosque[/b] ([link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language]Arabic[/link]:المسجد الاقصى [i]al-Masjid al-Aqā[/i], IPA: [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Arabic][ʔælˈmæsdʒɪd ælˈʔɑqsˤɑ][/link] ([link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArAqsaMosque.ogg][image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Speaker_Icon.svg/13px-Speaker_Icon.svg.png[/image][/link] [link=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/ArAqsaMosque.ogg]listen[/link]), “the Farthest Mosque”) also known as [b]Al-Aqsa[/b] and [b]Bayt al-Muqaddas[/b], is the third holiest site in Islam and is located in the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_City_%28Jerusalem%29]Old City[/link] of [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem]Jerusalem[/link]. The site on which the silver domed mosque sits, along with the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock]Dome of the Rock[/link], also referred to as [i]al-Haram ash-Sharif[/i] (“the Noble Sanctuary”),[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#cite_note-2][2][/link][/sup] is the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount]Temple Mount[/link], the holiest site in Judaism, the place where the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem]Temple[/link] stood before being destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. Muslims believe that [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad]Muhammad[/link] was transported from the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masjid_al-Haram]Sacred Mosque[/link] in [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca]Mecca[/link] to al-Aqsa during the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi%27raj]Night Journey[/link]. [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith]Islamic tradition[/link] holds that Muhammad led prayers towards this site until the seventeenth month after the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28Islam%29]emigration[/link], when [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam]God[/link] directed him to turn towards the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba]Kaaba[/link].
 
[i]Masjid al-Aqsa[/i] translates from [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language]Arabic[/link] into English as “the farthest mosque.” The name refers to a chapter of the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an]Qur’an[/link] called “[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi%27raj]The Night Journey[/link]” in which it is said that [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad]Muhammad[/link] traveled from Mecca to “the farthest mosque,” and then up to [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven]Heaven[/link] on a heavenly creature called [i][link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq]al-Buraq al-Sharif[/link][/i].[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#cite_note-Atlas_Travel-3][3][/link][/sup][link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#cite_note-4][4][/link][/sup] Al-Aqsa Mosque as a whole is confused with a particular building within it, also known as al-Jami’ al-Aqsa or al-Qibli or Masjid al-Jumah or al-Mughata; these names refer to the southern building with the silver lead dome.
 
In Islam, the term “al-Aqsa Mosque” refers to the entire Noble Sanctuary. The mosque is believed to be the second house of prayer constructed after the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masjid_al-Haram]Masjid al-Haram[/link] in [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca]Mecca[/link]. Post-Rashidun-era Islamic scholars traditionally identified the mosque as the site referred to in the [i][link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura]sura[/link][/i] (Qur’anic chapter) [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Isra]al-Isra[/link] (“the Night Journey”). The specific passage reads “Praise be to Him who made His servant journey in the night from the sacred sanctuary to the remotest sanctuary.” Muslims identify the “sacred sanctuary” as the Masjid al-Haram and the “remotest sanctuary” as the al-Aqsa Mosque. This specific verse in the Qur’an cemented the significant religious importance of al-Aqsa in Islam.
 
it has been understood by Islamic scholars since the earliest times that many passages in the Quran refer to Jerusalem.[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#cite_note-Khatib-71][71][/link][/sup] Jerusalem is also mentioned many times in the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith]hadith[/link].

 
 
[b]Volume 5, Book 58, Number 228 :[/b] [b]Narrated by Ibn ‘Abbas[/b] [blockquote]Regarding the Statement of Allah” “And We granted the vision (Ascension to the heavens) which We made you see (as an actual eye witness) was only made as a trial for the people.” (17.60) Ibn Abbas added: The sights which Allah’s Apostle was shown on the Night Journey when he was taken to Bait-ulMaqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) were actual sights, (not dreams). And the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in the Quran is the tree of Zaqqum (itself) .[/blockquote]

[kaldridgewv2211]

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The mentality of the Iranian rulers has not changed. What HAS changed is that Israel has been able to interrupt their nuclear program in clandestine ways over the years. They have assassinated (there is no nicer word for it) some of Iran’s nuclear scientists, and created the STUXNET virus which wiped out some of the centrifuges. Of course, President Milquetoast Marxist in his drive to be the world’s peacemaker (while the other nations of the world laugh at him behind his back) exposed STUXNET and allowed Iran to defend against it. 

Stuxnet was exposed by Kaspersky labs and was supposedly a product of both the US and Israel.  Give credit where credit is due.  Unfortunately something like stuxnet is pretty dangerous and can be used against the US also.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Now Obama is a Marxist who wants to be the world’s peacemaker?
 
Makes complete logical sense.

[ruszja]

So he gave his speech, said what we knew he would say, the earth didn’t shake and no new faultlines occured in the tectonic plates.

[kayla.meyer_144]

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So he gave his speech, said what we knew he would say, the earth didn’t shake and no new faultlines occured in the tectonic plates.

You expected some shaking and fault lines?

[odayjassim1978_476]

Bibi has actually made himself an embarrassment to Israel and American jews with his desperate arrogant attempts to stay in office

[Unknown Member]

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But do you REALLY have the slightest doubt on what their intentions are toward Israel and toward the West? If you do, count yourself among the naive. 

 
no, i do not.  they have stated many times their intentions.  it just seems to me that Israel is trying to get us to fight their war with Iran.
 
The more I see that Islam, Christianity and Judaism, and all of their extremist factions thereof are seemingly hell-bent on destroying the world, the more I wonder if there actually is a Supreme Being.
 
/helluva world we’re leaving to our kids.

[ruszja]

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So he gave his speech, said what we knew he would say, the earth didn’t shake and no new faultlines occured in the tectonic plates.

You expected some shaking and fault lines?

With all the bloviating from the left, I thought the second coming would be upon us if he gives his little speech.

[btomba_77]

Quote from President Obama

 
[font=”arial,helvetica,sans-serif”][size=”3″] “On the core issue, which is how do we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon which would make it far more dangerous… ..Prime Minister Netanyahu has not offered any kind of viable alternative that would achieve the same verifiable mechanism to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.” [/size][/font]
 
 
[font=”arial,helvetica,sans-serif”][size=”3″] “The alternative that the Prime Minster offers is ‘No Deal’.   In that case Iran will immediately begin once again pursuing its nuclear program, will accelerate its nuclear program, without us having any insight into what they’re doing… and without constraint.  ” [/size][/font]
 
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[font=”arial,helvetica,sans-serif”][size=”3″] “And his essential argument is that if we just double down on sanctions Iran won’t want to do that.   We have evidence from the last decade that sanctions alone are not adequate to prevent Iran from pursuing its nuclear ambitions.” [/size][/font]
 
[font=”arial,helvetica,sans-serif”][size=”3″] “So the bottom line is this:  We don’t yet have a deal.  It may be that Iran cannot say yes to a good deal. I have repeatedly said that I would rather have no deal than a bad deal. But if we are successful negotiating, then in fact this will be the best deal possible to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Nothing else comes close.” [/size][/font]

 
I think that Obama’s rebuttal was reasoned and  polite and keeps on the right course.  He acknowledges the risk of a deal and the real possibility that there might no be one, but is clear in the reasoning that he shares with the rest of the P5 +1 in that the alternatives are less attractive.
 
Now he presses forward and we can be absolutely sure that the Israelis will be frozen out beyond mere token diplomatic niceties.

[julie.young_645]

A true statesman would have said, “We agree completely with Mr. Netanyahu’s goals of keeping a nuclear weapon away from Iran. We understand the fears of those in the region, and we will not allow that to happen.”  Etc.  But the Milquetoast Marxist only cares about how HE looks in all this. He just wants to be the big man who wagged his finger at Iran and made them back down. He can’t stand the fact that Netanyahu called his bluff, and in true thug fashion, the irritant has to be disrespected in return for the manufactured slight.  Mr. Obama will bulldoze ahead in the narcissistic belief that his own greatness will make the Iranians behave themselves.
 
Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

[Unknown Member]

The binary president would have us believe that the choice is either a bad deal or war.
 
Sanctions brought the ayatollahs to the table and brought Iran’s economy to its knees, nearly deposing the government.  Just when sanctions were working, Obama unilaterally relaxed the sanctions without any concessions in return. WTF!
 
Re-applying sanctions makes a whole lot more sense than giving away the farm. 

[odayjassim1978_476]

Bibi’s speech did let JB get a dead cat off his back(homeland security passed) and the dump of a pile of news like Petraeus plea..see black folks told you Ferguson police department had problems and for come back response for HRC e-mails(the law was not enacted during her time/Powell did the same thing..so Jeb she did not release social security numbers to the public(u are trying to hard to be head of the class(usually the Bush man plays hard to get)

[eyoab2011_711]

Sanctions are dead…Russia and China will not support anymore. Europe will not go along with sanctions. Bottom line there are not good choices..so do you want eyes in Iran or not?

BTW Bibi promised the fall of Saddam would stop Iranian influence in the Middle East

The chicken little act is old and tired

[odayjassim1978_476]

there are old tapes on play all day long of his intelligence and the need to stop Saddam..the act is old…no more wars based on anything he says..each and everyone of those GOP cheering should write a letter expressing we got it wrong to the parents of soldiers who died in the Iraq war
but 2016 choices are getting clear: vote GOP president=war with Iran

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Sanctions are dead…Russia and China will not support anymore. Europe will not go along with sanctions. Bottom line there are not good choices..so do you want eyes in Iran or not?

BTW Bibi promised the fall of Saddam would stop Iranian influence in the Middle East

The chicken little act is old and tired

[Unknown Member]

 

[odayjassim1978_476]

Forgive them lord for the treason that they commit
we got hoodwinked on Iraq with Bibi and the GOP..hope Israel knows that every gift given means u have to do something for it in return..IMHO..good luck with your soldiers and your attempted Iran mission

[kayla.meyer_144]

The funniest part of all this, Iran becoming a regional power, is that Iran’s new-found influence – new-found since 2003 that is – is all thanks to George W. Bush and the Republicans.
 
Thank you George. Thank you Republicans. Looking forward to the next endless war & sending our boys into Tehran. Will Israel participate or just stand by watching & criticizing while our children defend Israel? Iraq was a cake-walk, Iran should be a slam-dunk. Or is that the other way around?
 
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/03/03/why-netanyahus-speech-didnt-do-his-american-allies-any-favors/]http://www.washingtonpost…can-allies-any-favors/[/link]

And when he argued that Iran and ISIS are heads of the same beast, it began to sound awfully familiar, much like when George W. Bush argued that al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein must be working together (and lets not forget that Netanyahu was an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq War, which dramatically increased Irans power and influence in the Middle East).

This is the Republican foreign policy perspective, as much now as it ever was: there is only black and white, no complexity, no compromise, and all enemies are the same. Iran is literally fighting ISIS in Iraq right now, but Netanyahu wants everyone to believe that theyre going to join together to take over the world.
 
Netanyahu argues that if the U.S. walked away, Iran would eventually capitulate on everything; the better deal he imagined is one in which Iran does everything short of dismantling its government. He had nothing to say about why this might happen if we werent negotiating, other than that we should keep up the pressure. Thats his alternative: Do nothing, and instead of just going ahead and developing nuclear weapons, Iran will see the light and completely reverse everything its been doing.

To call that position absurd is too kind. You dont have to be some kind of foreign policy whiz to grasp that theres something weird about arguing that 1) Iran is a nation run by genocidal maniacs; 2) they want nuclear weapons so they can annihilate Israel; and 3) the best way to stop this is to abandon negotiations to limit their nuclear program and just wait to see what they do. But thats the position Netanyahu and his supporters in the Republican Party are now committed to.

 
Be afraid! I am, just not sure who I am more afraid of, Republicans who want more wars or the Iranians. Look how well the Republicans did preventing North Korea from getting the Bomb!
 
 

[Unknown Member]

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Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

 
i’m in.  name the time and place.

[xavivillagran_893]

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Quote from DoctorDalai

Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

i’m in.  name the time and place.

If it’s someplace warm with no snow, I’m in too.
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

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Quote from DoctorDalai

Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

i’m in.  name the time and place.

Sounds like “The Rising” anticipation. Give away all earthly wealth & party till you drop in anticipation of “waking up dead” & presumably in Heaven. Except you wake up alive & well & still on earth with a bigger mess to clean up than before the party. But Bibi has to be right, eventually?
 
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/roger-cohen-netanyahus-iran-thing.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…nyahus-iran-thing.html[/link]

Netanyahus credibility is low. In 1993, in an Op-Ed article in The Times headlined Peace in Our Time? he compared the late Yitzhak Rabin to Chamberlain for the Oslo Accords. Rabins widow never forgave him. For more than a decade now, he has said Iran was on the brink of a bomb and threatened Israeli military action and hoped his hyperbole would be forgotten. He called the 2013 interim agreement with Iran a historic mistake; the accord has proved a historic achievement that reversed Irans nuclear momentum.

Invoking Munich and appeasement is, it seems, Netanyahus flip reaction to any attempt at Middle Eastern diplomacy. Here, once again, before the Congress, was the by-now familiar analogy drawn between Iran and the Nazis. Its implication, of course, is that Obama, like the great Rabin, is some latter-day Chamberlain.
 
One word did not appear in Netanyahus speech: Palestine. The statelessness of the Palestinians is the real long-term threat to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. Iran has often been a cleverly manipulated distraction from this fact.

 
 

[btomba_77]

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Quote from stir22

Quote from DoctorDalai

Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

i’m in.  name the time and place.

Sounds like “The Rising” anticipation. Give away all earthly wealth & party till you drop in anticipation of “waking up dead” & presumably in Heaven. Except you wake up alive & well & still on earth with a bigger mess to clean up than before the party. But Bibi has to be right, eventually?

[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/roger-cohen-netanyahus-iran-thing.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…nyahus-iran-thing.html[/link]

Netanyahus credibility is low. In 1993, in an Op-Ed article in The Times headlined Peace in Our Time? he compared the late Yitzhak Rabin to Chamberlain for the Oslo Accords. Rabins widow never forgave him. For more than a decade now, he has said Iran was on the brink of a bomb and threatened Israeli military action and hoped his hyperbole would be forgotten. He called the 2013 interim agreement with Iran a historic mistake; the accord has proved a historic achievement that reversed Irans nuclear momentum.

Invoking Munich and appeasement is, it seems, Netanyahus flip reaction to any attempt at Middle Eastern diplomacy. Here, once again, before the Congress, was the by-now familiar analogy drawn between Iran and the Nazis. Its implication, of course, is that Obama, like the great Rabin, is some latter-day Chamberlain.

One word did not appear in Netanyahus speech: Palestine. The statelessness of the Palestinians is the real long-term threat to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. Iran has often been a cleverly manipulated distraction from this fact.

Bibi is just like the rest of the other neocons.  And in the neocon mind it’s [i]always[/i] 1938.
 
 
It was 1938 in 1993, 1938 in 1997, 1938 in 2003, and apparantly it’s still 1938 today with the world on the brink of collapse with madmen on the rise.    Netanyahu is “the little boy who cried Chamberlain”.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Being a NeoCon means never having to say they’re sorry, because they believe eventually they will be correct, even if it takes decades. Or a lifetime. Or only in their imaginations.

[odayjassim1978_476]

he definitely is no Churchill

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Quote from Frumious

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Quote from DoctorDalai

Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

i’m in.  name the time and place.

Sounds like “The Rising” anticipation. Give away all earthly wealth & party till you drop in anticipation of “waking up dead” & presumably in Heaven. Except you wake up alive & well & still on earth with a bigger mess to clean up than before the party. But Bibi has to be right, eventually?

[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/roger-cohen-netanyahus-iran-thing.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…nyahus-iran-thing.html[/link]

Netanyahus credibility is low. In 1993, in an Op-Ed article in The Times headlined Peace in Our Time? he compared the late Yitzhak Rabin to Chamberlain for the Oslo Accords. Rabins widow never forgave him. For more than a decade now, he has said Iran was on the brink of a bomb and threatened Israeli military action and hoped his hyperbole would be forgotten. He called the 2013 interim agreement with Iran a historic mistake; the accord has proved a historic achievement that reversed Irans nuclear momentum.

Invoking Munich and appeasement is, it seems, Netanyahus flip reaction to any attempt at Middle Eastern diplomacy. Here, once again, before the Congress, was the by-now familiar analogy drawn between Iran and the Nazis. Its implication, of course, is that Obama, like the great Rabin, is some latter-day Chamberlain.

One word did not appear in Netanyahus speech: Palestine. The statelessness of the Palestinians is the real long-term threat to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. Iran has often been a cleverly manipulated distraction from this fact.

Bibi is just like the rest of the other neocons.  And in the neocon mind it’s [i]always[/i] 1938.

It was 1938 in 1993, 1938 in 1997, 1938 in 2003, and apparantly it’s still 1938 today with the world on the brink of collapse with madmen on the rise.    Netanyahu is “the little boy who cried Chamberlain”.

[Unknown Member]

Quote from Frumious

Quote from stir22

Quote from DoctorDalai

Human life on this planet now has less than 10 years left. Let’s have a really big party. 

i’m in.  name the time and place.

Sounds like “The Rising” anticipation. Give away all earthly wealth & party till you drop in anticipation of “waking up dead” & presumably in Heaven. Except you wake up alive & well & still on earth with a bigger mess to clean up than before the party. But Bibi has to be right, eventually?

[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/roger-cohen-netanyahus-iran-thing.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…nyahus-iran-thing.html[/link]

Netanyahus credibility is low. In 1993, in an Op-Ed article in The Times headlined Peace in Our Time? he compared the late Yitzhak Rabin to Chamberlain for the Oslo Accords. Rabins widow never forgave him. For more than a decade now, he has said Iran was on the brink of a bomb and threatened Israeli military action and hoped his hyperbole would be forgotten. He called the 2013 interim agreement with Iran a historic mistake; the accord has proved a historic achievement that reversed Irans nuclear momentum.

Invoking Munich and appeasement is, it seems, Netanyahus flip reaction to any attempt at Middle Eastern diplomacy. Here, once again, before the Congress, was the by-now familiar analogy drawn between Iran and the Nazis. Its implication, of course, is that Obama, like the great Rabin, is some latter-day Chamberlain.

One word did not appear in Netanyahus speech: Palestine. The statelessness of the Palestinians is the real long-term threat to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. Iran has often been a cleverly manipulated distraction from this fact.

 
heh.  i don’t buy the bibi stuff.  i’d just like the opportunity to buy you all a beer!!!

[eyoab2011_711]

But Bibi promised us this wasn’t political….
 
[link=http://www.vox.com/2015/3/12/8205049/netanyahu-ad-speech]http://www.vox.com/2015/3…49/netanyahu-ad-speech[/link]
 
And he wonders why no one except the delusional and end-of-timers believe him

[btomba_77]

I saw a lot of similarity to the Bush administration run to Iraq in the Netanyahu speech as well.
 
Not only did the linkage of ISIS to Iran echo the Al Queda (non)link to Saddam but Condy Rice and “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”
 
 
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[julie.young_645]

“The enemy of your enemy is your enemy.” Truer words have never been spoken.  And:
 
[blockquote] Iran and ISIS are competing for the crown of militant Islam. One calls itself the Islamic Republic. The other calls itself the Islamic State. Both want to impose a militant Islamic empire first on the region and then on the entire world. They just disagree among themselves who will be the ruler of that empire.
[/blockquote] Can you [i]really[/i] dispute that? If so, please share whatever it is you are smoking. I wouldn’t mind avoiding reality for a while myself.
 
Here’s what it comes down to: You people are so afraid of being afraid! I’ve never seen anything like it. The civilized world is faced with an evil scourge the likes of which we haven’t seen since Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. But you gentlemen simply want to hide behind the skirts of MamaObama, whose stern words will make the world safe again for you to go out and redistribute other people’s money. And you people hate anyone who points out that appeasement won’t work, and that’s probably because you are so pitifully afraid of what will happen if there really ARE evil, bad guys in the world.
 
You can stick your collective noses in the air and sniff about “war mongers” and “neocons” and “Bush-cowboys” and feel ever so evolved that you wouldn’t start a war. Let me clue you in on something: NO civilized, sane person wants a war. But the only way to keep a war from happening is to be PREPARED for it and to let the crazies know that if THEY start one, we WILL fight, and we WILL win. 
 
Now go run back behind MamaObama’s skirts before you get in trouble.

[btomba_77]

Yes, I dipute that.  I am not smoking anything.
 
 
From the same WaPo piece above
 

There are obvious and important differences between Iran and the Islamic State  even beyond the simple fact that the former is a country of 80 million people whose government is desperately [link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iraqi-forces-prepare-for-tikrit-offensive/2015/02/21/f05fd9f1-8892-4207-a212-029c94ed9c4e_story.html]trying to destroy[/link] the latter, an extremist, criminal organization buoyed by ranks of foreign fighters.
Iran’s theocratic rulers are hardly champions of religious pluralism and tolerance, but they are not crazed fundamentalist jihadists, bent on smashing idols and butchering religious minorities. There are [link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/12/18/iran-unveils-a-memorial-honoring-jewish-heroes/]long-standing communities of Christians and Jews[/link] in the country, who are better protected in Iran than they would be in other parts of the region.
As flawed as it may be, the regime’s democracy is more genuine and competitive than what one finds in a host of other Arab states that stir far less outrage from Netanyahu. Critics of Tehran say its elected leaders, including “moderate” President Hassan Rouhani, are ciphers for Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Even so, the [link=http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/25/us-iran-nuclear-rouhani-idUSKCN0J91L920141125]heated battles[/link] within Iran over its negotiations with the West present a clear sign of the complexity of its politics.
Netanyahu may see the Islamic Republic as a wholly ideological entity, consumed by its own zeal. But that reading has been contradicted [link=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-mossad-chief-iran-rational-dont-attack-now/]over[/link] and[link=http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-chief-to-haaretz-i-do-not-believe-iran-will-decide-to-develop-nuclear-weapons-1.426389]over[/link] again by other voices within Israel, including prominent figures in the country’s security establishment, who consider Iran’s leadership to be “rational.” That’s [link=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/21/experts-say-iraq-attack-is-irrational-yet-hawks-are-winning-the-debate.html]an assessment[/link] shared by successive U.S. administrations as well.

[julie.young_645]

Israel has its share of delusional liberals, too.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Bibi’s trademark argument is always Iran. Since at least 1992. Chicken Little’s still waiting for the sky to fall. Good move supporting removing Saddam & placing Iraq under Iran’s sphere of influence.
 
And the Right calls climatologists & others warning about global warming, “Alarmists.” At least we have something to show for alarms about the climate.

[julie.young_645]

Go back and reread what I said about Mr. Netanyahu’s prior warnings. 
 
I’m a LOT more afraid of a crazy man with a nuclear weapon than anything the Climate-Baiters have come up with in the last 3 decades. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

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I’m a LOT more afraid of a crazy man with a nuclear weapon

If that’s the case shouldn’t BB be stumping against North Korea.  Kim Jong Dong has the nucs and seems nuttier than a squirrel turd.  I think they just floated another couple of rockets into the sea of Japan.

[odayjassim1978_476]

see there is this little story about Iran contra/the destruction of black communities with crack to fund his far away war with the gop god named Reagan..that’s how dangereous iran is
 

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I saw a lot of similarity to the Bush administration run to Iraq in the Netanyahu speech as well.

Not only did the linkage of ISIS to Iran echo the Al Queda (non)link to Saddam but Condy Rice and “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”

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[btomba_77]

[b]What Bibi didn’t say[/b]
 
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/opinion/thomas-friedman-what-bibi-netanyahu-didnt-say.html?ref=opinion&_r=0]http://www.nytimes.com/20…l?ref=opinion&_r=0[/link]
 

What both the United States and Israel agree on, and I certainly do, is that Iran must be prevented from building a nuclear bomb, because it could be used to threaten the Jewish state and, once loaded onto a missile, Europe and the Arab states as well. 
Here, President Obama and Netanyahu share the same concerns. 
 
{BUT}
 
Netanyahu never made a convincing argument as to why walking away from Obamas draft deal with Iran would result in either a better deal, more sanctions, or an Iranian capitulation and not a situation where Iran would continue to build toward a bomb and our only two choices would be to live with it or bomb it, with all the mess that could entail. In that sense, [b]Bibis speech was perfect for Congress: Ive got a better plan, and it wont cost a thing or require any sacrifice by the American people. The guy could be a congressman.[/b]
 
My problem with Netanyahu is that he warned that the interim deal Obama negotiated with Iran which froze and rolled back parts of Irans nuclear program and created these negotiations would lead to a collapse of sanctions and be violated by Iran. None of it happened.
 
Moreover, Bibis message was that there is nothing more important than deterring Iran. O.K. But, if that were my top priority, would I engineer an invitation to speak to Congress by leveraging only the Republican Party and do it without even informing the president, who is running the Iran talks? And would I do it two weeks before Israeli elections, where it looks as though I am using the American Congress as a backdrop for a campaign ad, raising the question of whether my opposition to Iran is partly a political pose? And if I needed the Europeans to be on my side for tighter sanctions, wouldnt I announce no more settlement-building in the West Bank in areas everyone knows will be part of any negotiated Palestinian state? Such a move would cost Bibi politically with his base, but would certainly increase Israels support from Europe.
 
[b]Alas, Bibi is Churchill when it comes to isolating Iran, but he is AWOL when it comes to risking his own political future to make it happen. I have a problem with that. I still dont know if I will support this Iran deal, but I also have a problem with my own Congress howling in support of a flawed foreign leader trying to scuttle the negotiations by my own government before theyre done. Rubs me the wrong way.[/b]
 

 
((bolding mine))
 
Well put, Thomas Friedman. 
 
 
 

[odayjassim1978_476]

50 years from now someone will win an award by writing: TREASON: the day an angry mob named the GOP shamed America

[btomba_77]

I am shocked! Netayahu speech has negative effect on Congressional action.  Shocked, I say!
 
[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/03/04/bipartisan-bill-to-review-iran-deal-is-now-looking-a-lot-less-bipartisan/]http://www.washingtonpost…a-lot-less-bipartisan/[/link]
 

If Hill Republicans thought Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/03/03/in-much-anticipated-speech-netanyahu-to-address-congress-tuesday/]Tuesday address[/link] would build broad support for having Congress review any nuclear deal with Iran, they thought wrong.
 
By the end of the day Tuesday, key Democratic senators had pulled their support for just such a bill after Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) announced he was fast-tracking the legislation, bringing it to the Senate floor for debate as soon as next week, short-circuiting committee deliberations that Democrats say are necessary to perfect it.
 
On Tuesday evening, Menendez, ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee and a fierce critic of the Iranian regime, went to the Senate floor to withdraw his support for the bill, suggesting that McConnell’s move represented an effort to influence or derail the negotiations now underway rather than a bona fide desire to review whatever deal is reached.
 
“I can’t imagine why the majority leader would seek to short circuit the process unless the goals are political rather than substantive, and I regret to say these actions make clear an intention that isn’t substantive, that is political,” Menendez said. “The majority leader is single-handedly undermining our bipartisan efforts.”

 

[eyoab2011_711]

I’m a LOT more afraid of a crazy man with a nuclear weapon than anything the Climate-Baiters have come up with in the last 3 decades. 
 
[i]”Je Suis Juif, Je Suis Charlie”[/i]
 
[link=http://www.doctordalai.com/]http://www.doctordalai.com/[/link]

 
Of course Bibi is a crazy man with a nuclear weapon

[julie.young_645]

Thor, you are not even worth responding to anymore. I’m not inviting you to my End of World party, that’s for sure.

[odayjassim1978_476]

no one wants to attend a party of traitors  and as Pelosi said people that looked down on American intelligence

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Thor, you are not even worth responding to anymore. I’m not inviting you to my End of World party, that’s for sure.

[odayjassim1978_476]

no Bibi is a crazy arrogant man with a bomb that will do anything to stay in office…nothing Churchill about this war machine

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I’m a LOT more afraid of a crazy man with a nuclear weapon than anything the Climate-Baiters have come up with in the last 3 decades. 

[i]”Je Suis Juif, Je Suis Charlie”[/i]

[link=http://www.doctordalai.com/]http://www.doctordalai.com/[/link]

Of course Bibi is a crazy man with a nuclear weapon

[Unknown Member]

Bibi sure has a srong effect on liberal women.  He left Pelosi “nearly in tears” and Noah near apoplectic. Heh!

[odayjassim1978_476]

a true American would be ashamed of that circus event yesterday…that many traitors in office

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Bibi sure has a srong effect on liberal women.  He left Pelosi “nearly in tears” and Noah near apoplectic. Heh!