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I’m disappointed in the way Trump has failed to get a wall built by now. That said, it’s hard to imagine how he can get anything done, what with the obstruction from both the Treason Party and the Stupid Party.
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If we only had The Wall long ago, El Chapo never would have even had a chance to start, we would have stopped all his drugs & criminals at The Wall!
EASY SOLUTION!
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Treason Party
Thats the republicans right
They are trying to cover up heel spurs collusion with the Russians
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Please, do tell the “collusion” — or shall we wait for another thread with more claims and adjectives but no beef?
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How about those El Paso crowds! 35,000 for Trump & only 200 for Beto! With numbers like that Trump in a shoe-in.
His butt.
Real numbers were like Trumps inauguration numbers to Obamas. With numbers like that all this inevitability of Trumps election is like his numbers – imaginary.
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Hard to say, since California has essentially enabled illegal aliens to vote by allowing them to get driver’s licenses/voting registration.
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35,000 imaginary supporters!
Now THATs saying something about the supporters of alternate facts.
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Looks like Trump has folded regarding a shutdown.
All this fight, hurting people for nothing but posturing.
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Trump will sign compromise funding legislation.
Plans to declare a national emergency in order to attempt to secure funding, re-routing it from other programs.-
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Trump will sign compromise funding legislation.
Plans to declare a national emergency in order to attempt to secure funding, re-routing it from other programs.
As expected, he is going to turn a win into a defeat with this emergency declaration. He’ll get his pee-pee spanked by the courts and the entire project gets hung up. He just can’t help himself.
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As expected, he is going to turn a win into a defeat with this emergency declaration. He’ll get his pee-pee spanked by the courts and the entire project gets hung up. He just can’t help himself.
What win? The bill has horrible provisions. He should veto it.
And while he’ll probably be challenged hard by the courts, that’s simply the result of law being infiltrated (even more than the rest of the professional fields) by dedicated left-wingers. In truth, it is a national emergency, and he should have declared it on the first day of his presidency.
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Trump will sign compromise funding legislation.
Plans to declare a national emergency in order to attempt to secure funding, re-routing it from other programs.
As expected, he is going to turn a win into a defeat with this emergency declaration. He’ll get his pee-pee spanked by the courts and the entire project gets hung up. He just can’t help himself.
I don’t support an emergency declaration but how was this a win for him? Have not been following very closely but wasn’t the language in the bill extremely prohibitive of funding any “wall”?-
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I don’t support an emergency declaration but how was this a win for him? Have not been following very closely but wasn’t the language in the bill extremely prohibitive of funding any “wall”?
Democrats are afraid of concrete. ‘Too east german’ they say. The funding is for a physical barrier, Trump conceded months ago that it can be a nice sturdy but see-through slat fence.
It’s a win because he has appropriated money to build something. Do away with some of the red-tape and get to digging holes for the foundation. There is lots of other security money sloshing around in DHS that can be diverted to extend it beyond what’s funded. They built the entire DHS headquarters with money reallocated from other budgets (it has an impressive fence around it btw.).
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Hahahaha yes most definitely a win
…… in an alternate universe
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We are about to see exactly how political the Court is. Roberts keeps insisting that it is not while his behavior shows fear that it is. Find an issue & whether the Republicans & Conservatives support it is less important as to who is behind the issue. So Trump declaring a national emergency IMAO, the Conservatives on the Court will support this declaration saying the president has his powers and right. But back to IMAO, that is true only so long as the president is a Republican. Roberts will be the deciding vote with another 5/4 decision. The Conservatives are very consistent on that scenario.
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We are about to see exactly how political the Court is. Roberts keeps insisting that it is not while his behavior shows fear that it is. Find an issue & whether the Republicans & Conservatives support it is less important as to who is behind the issue. So Trump declaring a national emergency IMAO, the Conservatives on the Court will support this declaration saying the president has his powers and right. But back to IMAO, that is true only so long as the president is a Republican. Roberts will be the deciding vote with another 5/4 decision. The Conservatives are very consistent on that scenario.
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Is he resigning? Or convicted after impeachment?
Yes, there is certainly time for the Court to decide.
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When the Court decides on the “conservative” side, liberals call it political. When it decides on the “liberal” side, conservatives call it political. Your viewpoint is old news.
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If the courts support this executive action it is probably long-term better news for Dems than the GOP.
1) Democrats will have more support from their base for spending huge money on social programs. The ability to use national emergency in order to adress a variety of social and environmental issues will be great.
2) Many analysts believe that in the long run US Demographics favor the Democratic party in presidential races while favoring the GOP in the Senate. This could provide future Democratic Presidents with a strong tool to work around a GOP controlled Senate.
(Although overall I think it would be better for our Democracy if this was struck by the courts and the Congress is given power. Gridlock is a net better result than an executive with too power … Dem or Republican)
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Hahahaha yes most definitely a win
…… in an alternate universe
I am sorry you were longing for another shutdown and didn’t get it.
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The Democrats will not act reasonably, no matter what. We know this because they’ve fought tooth and nail against the wall, despite being all for physical barriers just a few years ago. Leftists are basically rooting for a recession (see Maher and his cheering audience). And with Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, and Tlaib, the Democrat Party is careening leftward at an astonishing clip.
To refrain from declaring an emergency based on concerns that Democrats might do X, Y, and Z in the future is worthless. The Democrat Party is mouth-frothingly insane. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real phenomenon.-
GOP has been spending money hand over fist but yeah the democrats are crazy. I think one day we’ll look into the annals of psychiatry and find Trump Derangement Syndrome listed as a disorder. The difference will be that it will be a clinical description of crack pot ego maniacally narcissist. A picture of Donald Trump.
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The Democrats will not act reasonably, no matter what. We know this because they’ve fought tooth and nail against the wall, despite being all for physical barriers just a few years ago. Leftists are basically rooting for a recession (see Maher and his cheering audience). And with Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, and Tlaib, the Democrat Party is careening leftward at an astonishing clip.
To refrain from declaring an emergency based on concerns that Democrats might do X, Y, and Z in the future is worthless. The Democrat Party is mouth-frothingly insane. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real phenomenon.
And the Republicans rolled over these past 20 years asking to have their tummies stroked?
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OK, let’s see where this goes next. Democrats will be in the cat bird’s seat in the future if this is upheld.-
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
This deal is less than what the Democrats agrees to in December, BEFORE the shutdown!
Then Faux News cheerleaders cheered him on calling him what he bragged about grabbing! Now he’s grabbing his own.-
I think the democrats will be very reasonable on infrastructure
Not sure why trump would not have gone for that first
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Infrastructure was unglamorous & did not whip up the base.
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The other side decided to dig in at the ‘not a dime for the wall’ position. Considering that, getting the initial 1.4B of appropriated money for a 17B 10 year project isn’t terrible. The other side had also pledged that they wouldn’t pass anything that wouldn’t protect the dreamers, looks like they abandoned that pledge rather quickly.
Partisans on both sides are frothing. Sounds like a great compromise.
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Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall
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I haven’t heard a single Democrat complain about the substance of the deal.
… and my social media confirms that the liberals are pretty damned pleased with how Dem leadership performed. The left thinks Trump got rolled and got forced to choose among a short list of bad options.
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Republicans held both houses for 2 years & never built this “concrete Berlin Wall.” “Why didn’t they,” you should ask.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-president-trump-came-to-declare-a-national-emergency-to-fund-his-border-wall/2019/02/15/3e9f4348-3152-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…a5b113ecd3c_story.html[/link]
Building a wall on the southern border was a cornerstone of Trumps presidential campaign, and even before Democrats took control of the House, he had stewed over his inability to make it a reality. The tension came to a head in a March meeting in the White House residence, when Trump learned that his aides had secured only $1.6 billion for border fencing in an omnibus spending bill.
Trump fumed to then-House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) that the funding was a fraction of what he would need and threatened not to sign the measure, according to two people with knowledge of the conversation.
[b]We gave you what you wanted! Ryan shot back, the people said.[/b]
[b]Swearing profusely, Trump said that was not true and asked Ryan who had relayed such a message. Ryan said it was Trumps own aides who negotiated the bill.[/b]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/opinion/trump-border-wall-national-emergency.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…ational-emergency.html[/link]
[b]I didnt need to do this,[/b] President Trump [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/us/politics/national-emergency-trump.html?module=inline]insisted at a Rose Garden appearance[/link] on Friday, as he declared a national emergency aimed at shaking loose a few billion dollars in financing for his beloved border wall.
The presidents assertion was both ludicrous and self-defeating. If a declaration was unnecessary and the wall on track (the wall is [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFvcAdT9duw]very very on its way,[/link] the president said earlier in the week), how could he claim to be addressing an emergency? As Mr. Trump explained it, But Id rather do it much faster. A presidential desire for speed does not constitute a crisis no matter how eager a president is to camouflage his failures.
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The budget talks look to be starting up again. Trump proposed budget looks like it’s DOA or depending on him I guess we’re looking at another shutdown coming. More $ for the wall and military spending. Less money for social programs. Even the GOP has to know this is getting shot down.
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The budget talks look to be starting up again. Trump proposed budget looks like it’s DOA or depending on him I guess we’re looking at another shutdown coming. More $ for the wall and military spending. Less money for social programs. Even the GOP has to know this is getting shot down.
He enjoys the fight, win or loose.
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Great negotiator gets arse beat constantly
Paper tiger
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[h1]Trump Leaves Washington In Limbo[/h1]
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/23/trump-leaves-washington-in-limbo-450276]Politico[/link]: On Tuesday night, Trump blindsided all of Washington including his own staff with a series of 11th-hour demands to amend coronavirus relief and government funding legislation that his own administration had helped carefully craft and supported. Overnight and into Wednesday, senior Republicans, Hill aides and even White House officials scrambled to figure out what Trump actually wanted, just as lawmakers and Trump prepare to leave town for the holidays.
Theres no clear answer, though. No one on either side of Pennsylvania Avenue appears to know what Trumps plan is or even if there is one. Hill offices had not received any guidance as of Wednesday afternoon, while House Republicans scheduled a call at 3 p.m. to strategize.
Said one Republican on Capitol Hill: A complete clusterf*ck.
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Ann Coulter Fires Back at Trump[/h1]
Ann Coulter fired back at President Trump in a [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuK_qrJFEqI]KABC[/link] interview stating that the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot.
Said Coulter: Thank God hes relieved me of any responsibility for what hes been doing. That was the biggest favor anyone could do for me today. -
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Trump made the wall and immigration the midterm elections issue
The democrats won 40 seats and 56% of the popular vote in house races
The will of the majority of the people is no wall
Elections have consequences
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We have been living “1984” with “history” being revised every single day – or minute as Republicans and Trump keep changing the story.
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Trump made the wall and immigration the midterm elections issue
The democrats won 40 seats and 56% of the popular vote in house races
The will of the majority of the people is no wall
Elections have consequences
To be fair he also lost the popular vote in the election and we all know how that turned out. Also how atypical was the loss in the midterms compared to past years (doesn’t the majority party usually loss big time)?
Dems have a great shot at defeating Trump in 2020 but I don’t think they should overly interpret the mid-terms and think the country has all of sudden gone far far left.
I don’t know precise national statistics with respect to a border wall/fence/barrier/security etc. I think a lot of how people would answer depends on how this issue is framed and whether or not they are die hard partisans.
Finally, please don’t label me a right wing Fox-loving nut job because I voiced an opinion that is right of yours. [:D]
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There’s a lot of talk from California people about popular vote and number of senators. I kind of don’t get it. You get a # of votes that represents the population level and the Senate is supposed to be equal. You get more votes in the house.
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The electoral College was a gift to slave states to “equalize” their population with the free states.
[link=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/electoral-college-slavery-constitution]https://www.pbs.org/newsh…e-slavery-constitution[/link]When the founders of the U.S. Constitution in 1787 considered whether America should let the people elect their president through a popular vote, James Madison said that Negroes in the South presented a difficulty of a serious nature.
During that same speech on Thursday, July 19, Madison instead proposed a prototype for the same Electoral College system the country uses today. Each state has a number of electoral votes roughly proportioned to population and the candidate who wins the majority of votes wins the election.
while there are many grievances about the Electoral College, one thats rarely addressed is one dug up by an academic of the Constitution: that it was created to protect slavery, planting the roots of a system thats still oppressive today.
Madison, now known as the Father of the Constitution, was a slave-owner in Virginia, which at the time was the most populous of the 13 states [link=http://www.dcte.udel.edu/hlp/resources/newnation/pdfs/PopEstim.pdf]if the count included slaves[/link], who comprised about 40 percent of its population.
During that key speech at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Madison said that with a popular vote, the Southern states, could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.
Madison knew that the North would outnumber the South, despite there being more than half a million slaves in the South who were their economic vitality, but could not vote. His proposition for the Electoral College included the three-fifths compromise, where black people could be counted as three-fifths of a person, instead of a whole. This clause garnered the state 12 out of 91 electoral votes, more than a quarter of what a president needed to win.
None of this is about slaves voting, said Finkelman, [link=http://people.uncw.edu/lowery/pls101/wilson_chapter_outlines/The%20Proslavery%20Origins%20of%20the%20Electoral%20College.pdf]who wrote a paper on the origins of the Electoral College[/link] for a symposium after Gore lost. The debates are in part about political power and also the fundamental immorality of counting slaves for the purpose of giving political power to the master class.
[link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-slavery-birthed-the-electoral-college]https://www.washingtonexa…-the-electoral-college[/link]
Foreigners observing the presidential campaign based on the travel schedules of Trump and Clinton could easily conclude that we are the Nine States of America encompassing only Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire.
And who could blame them?
Americans can blame our Founding Fathers for concocting the Electoral College as spelled out in the Constitution in Article II, Section 1. But lost in U.S. history was how the Electoral College resulted from a compromise between northern and southern states over the divisive issue of slavery.
Remember what the country looked like in 1787: The important division was between states that relied on slavery and those that didn’t, not between large and small states. A direct election for president did not sit well with most delegates from the slave states, which had large populations but far fewer eligible voters. They gravitated toward the Electoral College as a compromise because it was based on population. The convention had agreed to count each slave as three-fifths of a person for the purpose of calculating each state’s allotment of seats in Congress. For Virginia, which had the largest population among the original 13 states that meant more clout in choosing the president.
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And he just vetoed the NDAA
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Chaos is the goal.
Mission accomplished. For 4 years now.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Looks like fw’s post in another thread is all too true about Trump’s actions as he vetos a defense bill about renaming Confederate-named bases and criticizes the stimulus/relief bill just before Christmas as inadequate by more than 1/2.
Après moi, le déluge
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Democrats considering a move for unanimous consent to increase payments to $2000 as Trump wants.
Republicans ticked off at Trump. Tough choice. Either they don’t object and their future primary opponent calls them “big government liberals” or they do object and have to put up a vote that risks putting them in Trump’s crosshairs and a primary opponent who says they didn’t support the President.
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/house/531516-republicans-vent-over-surprise-trump-move-on-covid-19-relief]Republicans vent over surprise Trump move on COVID-19 relief[/link]
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[h1][b]House Republicans Block Boosting Stimulus Payments Demanded by Trump[/b][/h1]
House Republicans on Thursday blocked an effort by House Democrats to approve $2,000 stimulus payments for millions of Americans. Democrats were seeking to advance the measure after President Trump demanded it on Tuesday night, breaking with many in the Republican party, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/12/24/house-stimulus-checks-trump/?wpmk=1&wpisrc=al_news__alert-politics–alert-national&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert&pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2Y2U0M2ZhZGU0ZTI0MTE5ZDhkMjU0IiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vdXMtcG9saWN5LzIwMjAvMTIvMjQvaG91c2Utc3RpbXVsdXMtY2hlY2tzLXRydW1wLz93cG1rPTEmd3Bpc3JjPWFsX25ld3NfX2FsZXJ0LXBvbGl0aWNzLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlJmxvY2F0aW9uPWFsZXJ0In0.Zgpk1MnG38wUu8mAxJt1cKtdArITfz68bN1UDJaPGi4]Washington Post[/link] reports.
House Democratic leadership attempted to advance the measure by [link=https://politicaldictionary.com/words/unanimous-consent/]unanimous consent[/link] but the effort was blocked by Republican leadership.
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You know if they took all the pork garbage out of it they could easily pay the 2000.
Either keep it how it is or go to 2000 and remove anything that has nothing to do with covid.
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That is bipartisan pork.
Pork is the lubricant that keeps the gears of legislation moving and works against the grit that is partisanship and personal ambition.
I’d love to see a stand alone $2000 bill. Wouldn’t get GOP support though.
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Removing the martini lunch porkfest would harm no one. However I agree, some degree of “pork” definitely lubes legislation and compromise. If nothing else, we should have learned from the “Transactional President,” a zero-sum game is not a long term winner for anyone, especially when deliberate humiliation fo rthe “loser” is involved.
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Gotta be concerned with the important things in life, like martini lunches and stolen elections while imbibing.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/531585-gop-senator-warns-2k-checks-cant-pass-urges-trump-to-sign-covid-deal]GOP senator warns $2K checks can’t pass, urges Trump to sign COVID deal[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/531585-gop-senator-warns-2k-checks-cant-pass-urges-trump-to-sign-covid-deal]GOP senator warns $2K checks can’t pass, urges Trump to sign COVID deal[/link]
Trump will chicken out and sign it. He will then immediately pat himself on the back for being such a wise and magnanimous leader
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/531585-gop-senator-warns-2k-checks-cant-pass-urges-trump-to-sign-covid-deal]GOP senator warns $2K checks can’t pass, urges Trump to sign COVID deal[/link]
Trump will chicken out and sign it. He will then immediately pat himself on the back for being such a wise and magnanimous leader
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Yes, for not overturning the election & awarding him the presidency.
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Could you imagine how much extra $$ we would have for important things and how low taxes could be if we never had the wasteful pork, handouts, etc in every bill. What a country that would be.
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Could you imagine how much extra $$ we would have for important things and how low taxes could be if we never had the wasteful pork, handouts, etc in every bill. What a country that would be.
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Foreign aid is beneficial to targeted countries for targeted reasons. The issue is that they are passing a covid relief bill that won’t help anyone except for the funds that help with vaccine distribution. Although the admin is so bad with that it will likely be wasted on that too.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/531585-gop-senator-warns-2k-checks-cant-pass-urges-trump-to-sign-covid-deal]GOP senator warns $2K checks can’t pass, urges Trump to sign COVID deal[/link]
Trump will chicken out and sign it. He will then immediately pat himself on the back for being such a wise and magnanimous leader
I don’t get this. Is it simply Trumps way of saying FU to the republicans on his way out?
It is what it is always is…. Trump been concerned only about Trump.
His political instincts are correct from the populist side. People hate pork. People see the relief to individuals as miserly. — He is tapping into that.
He does not care whether that damages the Republican party or individual Republicans. (And yes… it might even feel good to stick a finger into the eye of GOP Senators that Trump deems inadequately loyal)
The problem for Trump is that there is no easy way for him to turn his opposition to the bill into something better without massive disruption to individuals … a shut down, no relief checks, evictions that to dramatically go up, etc
So I am with fw in thinking that eventually comes around and signs it because Trump does not want to be seen as being responsible for the shutdown that would follow.
So his strategy is to b*tch about it loudly ….. then probably sign.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/531585-gop-senator-warns-2k-checks-cant-pass-urges-trump-to-sign-covid-deal]GOP senator warns $2K checks can’t pass, urges Trump to sign COVID deal[/link]
Trump will chicken out and sign it. He will then immediately pat himself on the back for being such a wise and magnanimous leader
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signed it
In related news, the sun will rise tomorrow morning in the east and water freezes at or about 32F.
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Totally irrelevant now that it has been signed … and totally outside the law.
But Trump is trying to create his own line-item veto:
“I will sign the Omnibus and Covid package with a strong message that makes clear to Congress that wasteful items need to be removed.
“I will send back to Congress a redlined version, item by item, accompanied by the formal rescission request to Congress insisting that those funds be removed from the bill.”
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Gotta be concerned with the important things in life, like martini lunches and stolen elections while imbibing.
No… just stopping the enabling of weak Democratic Mayors and Governors for their continued weakness in the destruction of their cities. Why should my tax dollars go to them for their ignorance and wussiness actions? Those items should be taken off the 5000+ plus bill. Sorry to say… is a Pelosi old hat trick of pushing before reading.
Shouldn’t the stimulus fund go to people directly? and to Local businesses? I could give a Rats Arse about Soyboys, Karens and every other anti-American non working socialist free loader. You don’t work…. you don’t eat.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/12/25/merry-christmas-491247?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]Playbook[/link]: The president is complaining to people he speaks to that the coronavirus/government funding package has too much pork, as he says, and the direct payments are too low. The bill has been flown to Florida from Washington for his signature. No one we can find knows if hell sign it.
Unemployment benefits run out Saturday. And the government shuts down Monday.…
” The House is in on Monday the day the government runs out of spending authority but the Senate doesnt come back until Tuesday, which is, of course, after the funding deadline.
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Nothing is ever straight forward it seems. I kind of agree that they shouldve passed something clean to deal with just the Covid stuff in the USA.
These people in Washington are clowns. You can feel a lot of ways about Trump but kee in mind Congress approval rating is like 15%. And we keep voting the same people back.
[link=https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspxLook]https://news.gallup.com/p…ngress-public.aspxLook[/link]
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A clean bill would not have passed.
The reason this stuff gets crammed into must-pass year end omnibus bills is that is the only thing that can get bipartisan support anymore. The people who get their pork can support it. The people who don’t want pork get political cover of being able to say “I voted for it to protect our troops,” and no one (except Rand Pau) wants to be the a**hole that shut down the government over a few shekels of support that goes to the other guy’s policy interests. – That’s is what gets it passed. You take any of those things away and it doesn’t pass.
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[b]Trump Continues to Push for $2,000 Checks[/b] [b]
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Made many calls and had meetings at Trump International in Palm Beach, Florida. Why would politicians not want to give people $2000, rather than only $600? It wasnt their fault, it was China. Give our people the money!
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That makes them bad people of they have to have to have pork to pass something. They shouldn’t need or want that wasteful crap.
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Yeah. And I want a pony.
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Oh, so now its a selfless altruistic government we are supposed to have? Not one about, Whats in it for me? as if constituents are harmed neither by the economy, COVID or a government shutdown over money?
And here I thought government WAS the problem and how wed all be so much better off without a functional government stealing our money giving it to the lazy ones, AKA, a Conservatives dream.-
Next joke on the same out of tune note, Lindsey Graham wants to talk about government debt & spending.
Gee, whodda thought that might happen with a Democratic administration coming in.
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Anyone who didn’t think that the GOP would do a 180 and suddenly, once again, become hugely concerned about the federal deficit within minutes of a Democrat taking office (after blowing up the deficit with unfunded tax cuts for years) wasn’t paying attention.
That is the Republican playbook used an excuse to counter all Democratic policy initiatives. Yes, it is completely hypocritical and cynical…. and routine and expected.
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But but but
Democrats are worse
Thats the next argument
4 years of republicans following blindly a man who guts the constitution spends more money than any president in history and belittles them
But but but the democrats are worse
The Republican Party is pathetic
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When cornered it becomes both sides….. as if a molehill is exactly the same as a mountain.
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Take another lap around the circle.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
[b]These people in Washington are clowns. You can feel a lot of ways about Trump but kee in mind Congress approval rating is like 15%. And we keep voting the same people back. [/b]
[link=https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspxLook]https://news.gallup.com/p…ngress-public.aspxLook[/link]
Does sure seem that way. Convoluted system where most/every politician’s 1st priority is to ensure reelection.-
Quote from jd4540
Quote from DICOM_Dan
[b]These people in Washington are clowns. You can feel a lot of ways about Trump but kee in mind Congress approval rating is like 15%. And we keep voting the same people back. [/b]
[link=https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspxLook]https://news.gallup.com/p…ngress-public.aspxLook[/link]
Does sure seem that way. Convoluted system where most/every politician’s 1st priority is to ensure reelection.
– Term limits.
– No campaigning allowed until 4 weeks prior to any election with enforced Congressional attendance (< 95% then you lose your job).
– $1, $10, $100 million campaign fund caps for House, Senate, and President elections
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pork is a problem. If anyone is ever serious about debt they eventually need to look good and hard at the budget. Will that ever happen. Probably not Id guess.
Time for a debt jubilee.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/12/28/trump-got-nothing-491250?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]Playbook[/link]:
What a bizarre, embarrassing episode for the president. He opposed a bill his administration negotiated. He had no discernible strategy and no hand to play and it showed. He folded, and got nothing besides a few days of attention and chaos. People waiting for aid got a few days of frightening uncertainty.
Zip. Zero. Zilch. If he was going to give up this easy, he shouldve just kept quiet and signed the bill. It wouldve been less embarrassing.
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Bernie will filibuster the defense bill veto override unless mcconnell brings $2000 relief bill passed
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-01/senate-moves-closer-to-handing-trump-first-veto-override?fbclid=IwAR1Dw0Vt2hSShfEPAM3JJJjsadcq10Q2Rn7G-252BI421KV4vOgXBWxGeWs]https://www.bloomberg.com…252BI421KV4vOgXBWxGeWs[/link]
Senate over-rides Trump on the NDAA. The first veto override of his presidency.
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The UniParty at work. Finally. Hard work when it lines their pockets.
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