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It’s for sure actually waste of money. How will it keep drugs out for example? They already find drug tunnels. Also you could just slip drugs through the see slats. Use a drone to drop them over. It’s defeatable.
Air traffic controllers or TSA could end this quick. Just walk out or stay home sick.
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Its a symbol
Its a symbolic statement that says keep out you arent wanted here
Multi billion dollar symbol
That being said….. it will be torn down by our next generation
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Campaign promise/scare tactic to appeal to the poorly educated base.
Clinging to it even though its impossible to fulfill (Mexico wont pay for it), to distract from Russia investigations.
Govt shutdown over it is obvious distraction tactic.
Look over here at this bright shiny object!!! Dont look there!)
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It might be a distraction but it’s taking a toll on Americans. Just like when he deployed troops over Thanksgiving just to call them back. Congress needs to back up. Mitch the lil bitch won’t allow a vote.
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Interesting, I still havent read what sort of Democratic compromise proposal would be seriously considered much less acceptable by a Trump supporters. All this nonsense about Democrats opposition to this and that is irrelevant to the direct question of what is acceptable to Fox & Coulter & Rush & his core supporters since it seems Trump is trying to make them happy at the expense of all else.
Consider that there was an agreement in Dec by all parties to keep the government fully operational until Trump was criticized by Rush & Coulter & Fox for considering accepting the agreement whereupon he rejected it to the tune of braggingly accepting full responsibility for shutting down the government unless he got what is still undefined as acceptable. Demanding Democrats fully capitulate for something still undefined.
Consider that Republicans had 2 years to ram a wall down our throats but never did. So now its Democratss fault? How so?
Consider that Democrats had formally agreed to a very large sum of money including for a wall, reportedly up to $25 billion that Republicans & the White House rejected.
So all this stuff about what Democrats wont accept is 99.44% pure bull.
The question is what are Trump & Republicans & core supporters & Coulter/Rush/Fox willing to accept since they are the instigators of the rejection of prior offers of compromise by Democrats?
This is a game by Republicans. This is not serious good faith by Republicans at all. Authoritarians hate having to compromise with others when government by fiat – their fiat – is so much more satisfying to their ego. Believers in authoritarianism find democracy too difficult having to compromise what they want.
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SCOTUS won’t hear Trump’s “Dreamers” case. That means that DACA protections will remain in place through at least 2020.
Sorry, Mr. President, you just lost even more leverage. And your “compromise” is now wholly exposed. Add in a poison pill and it’s a no-dem-vote getter
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/22/trumps-phony-compromise-has-now-been-unmasked-total-sham/?utm_term=.47392924d39a]Trumps phony compromise has now been unmasked as a total sham[/link]The proposal on the dreamers was whittled down to the point where it only undoes the disaster Trump himself is orchestrating. The New York Times recently [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/us/politics/trump-immigration-conservatives-democrats.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage]reported[/link] that Miller privately intervened to ensure that the bill dramatically downsizes the number of dreamers who would get protections. He cut that number from 1.8 million to 700,000 (the number Trump referenced).
The bill text confirms this and illustrates how it was done. It grants three years of protected lawful status plus work authorization only to those who are currently on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, not to all of those who are [i]eligible[/i] for it, a much larger pool. It cannot be renewed.
This is a badly truncated version of the Bridge Act, a measure championed by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) that [link=https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration-reform-and-executive-actions/faq-bridge-act/]would have granted[/link] this status to the larger pool of those who are DACA-eligible. Thus, Trumps proposal would only restore temporary protections that were already granted and that Trump has tried to take away (his effort to cancel DACA is tied up in court). The [link=https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/news/shelby-releases-proposal-to-reopen-government-and-secure-border-urges-passage-of-comprehensive-package]press release[/link] accompanying the new bill misleadingly calls the new measure the Bridge Act, inadvertently preserving the taint of bad faith pervading this particular provision.
The new proposal is much worse on asylum seekers than advertised. The bill text explains what Trump really meant when he claimed his proposal would create a new way for Central American migrant children to apply for asylum. The proposal actually declares that the only way any of them will be eligible for asylum going forward is if they apply for it outside the United States at soon-to-be-created application centers in Central America, according to several legal experts I spoke with about this.
Those experts point out that this would in effect close off the main avenue for these minors to apply that is, the right to apply when they enter the United States and are apprehended. To be clear, creating an out-of-country way to apply is not itself a bad thing, and the proposal appears ostensibly to be in keeping with an aim that appears understandable on its face the desire to discourage the journey.
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[link=https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/23/why-trump-wont-get-a-deal-on-immigration/]Teagan Goddard gives Trump some hard truth[/link]
Early in Donald Trumps presidency, a person who spent years working with him on real estate transactions told me how the only deals Trump liked were deals where the other side got screwed.
We saw this over the weekend when the President Trump, supposedly working with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, proposed a bill that would reopen the government while providing $5.7 billion for physical barriers on the Southern border.
In exchange, the bill gave Democrats temporary extensions of existing protections for some immigrants currently protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program or Temporary Protected Status programs. But also [link=https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/23/trumps-proposal-to-end-shutdown-included-poison-pills/]buried in the legislation were poison pills[/link] that would effectively punish large numbers of asylum seekers.
In short, Trump was trying to screw the Democrats.
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Trump is losing the shutdown fight and hes losing it badly. His approval numbers are plummeting, even among some in his base. The only real leverage he ever had on an immigration deal the Supreme Court agreeing to let him to terminate DACA [link=https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/22/supreme-court-wont-hear-dreamers-case/]essentially disappeared yesterday[/link] when justices refused to take up the case.
Meanwhile, Trump is terrified that hell further anger his base if he gives Democrats anything on immigration. When he struck a government funding deal with Democrats before Christmas, without money for his border wall, all it took was a few tweets by Ann Coulter to get Trump to go back on his word.
[b]Heres the reality: There is no deal on immigration that will have the support of both Nancy Pelosi and Ann Coulter. And Pelosi is the one he needs to negotiate with.
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The President should end this by building a wall using his authority as CIC.
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Actually the orange preek should fulfill his campaign promise and get Mexico to pay for it
WTF do American taxpayers need to pay for it for when he promised Mexico would
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Actually the orange preek should fulfill his campaign promise and get Mexico to pay for it
WTF do American taxpayers need to pay for it for when he promised Mexico would
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C’mon man. They are paying for it through NAFTA version 2.Trump0
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Honest question
No matter what your feelings on trump
Are you getting sick of the lies embellishments and constant bull sheet he spews
Seriously isnt his schtick getting old
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It’s like a train wreck that no one is coming to clean up. Yeah he’s a disaster of a person and POTUS. Trump’s gonna Trump. I’m probably more sick of the fact that he seems to very openly do things that are shady and illegal, yet no one in power seems willing to do anything. It’s so clearly out in the open. Writing about witnesses on twitter, or the plethora of emoluments issues. Hell, Ivanka just got another 5 Chinese trademarks while we’re in a tradewar with China.
It’s putrid. For goodness sake I’d like to see the Mueller report already.
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Actually the orange preek should fulfill his campaign promise and get Mexico to pay for it
WTF do American taxpayers need to pay for it for when he promised Mexico would
None of us really cared whether Mexico would pay for it. It was a rally gimmick, and everybody knew it. There needs to be a substantial allotment from the federal budget to build and shore up border defense, and a wall is an important component thereof.
He should spend $20-30 billion on a border wall/fortified fence, using his absolute authority to do so as CIC.-
He doesn’t have authority as CIC to build anything. Congress determines how to spend the $$$. Unless the SH is sitting on some sort of budget. The one claim I find nutso is that a wall is going to stop drugs. Especially this steel slat BS. You could just walk up and hand a package right through it. Throw a package over it. Not to mention smuggles already tunnel under the border. Secondly when he touts how can we have security without a defined border. Does he plan to do this to the entire Canadian border? Wouldn’t the same crunky logic apply?
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He has every right to do so, and should sign an EO to that effect immediately, given that the Democrat platform is now, essentially, “non-citizens above citizens.”
Your complaint about the wall not stopping drugs is bizarre. It won’t halt the problem, but it sure will slow it down. And I love how Trump has gotten the TDS-afflicted to admit that there [i][b]are [/b][/i]problems being imported from south of the border.
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He has every right to do so, and should sign an EO to that effect immediately, given that the Democrat platform is now, essentially, “non-citizens above citizens.”
Your complaint about the wall not stopping drugs is bizarre. It won’t halt the problem, but it sure will slow it down. And I love how Trump has gotten the TDS-afflicted to admit that there [i][b]are [/b][/i]problems being imported from south of the border.
We need the wall, E-Verify, and upgraded drug- and human-detection systems.
every right under what authority? He can’t sign an EO and magically conjure up money. Congress appropriates money. A slatted wall or any wall will not stop anything. It’s just Trump BS.
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If he thinks he has the authority under emergency powers using DOD funds then great…. there’s no reason the government should be closed.
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He should declare the EO and use the funds at his disposal. The problem is that he’s concerned about the optics (which, apparently, weren’t a concern when Obama granted amnesty by fiat) of that approach.
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He should bend down and blow Putin again
Very immature comment.
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The EO would land him in court just as Obama ended in court. Obama’s immigration order was blocked in 2016 for one by the courts after Texas and others sued immediately after the Order was signed. The Dems will return the favor. Only the stakes would be higher for this one.
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every right under what authority? He can’t sign an EO and magically conjure up money. Congress appropriates money. [b]A slatted wall or any wall will not stop anything.[/b] It’s just Trump BS.
Uh, except people, which is exactly the problem.
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Maybe we can buy the CIC a set of legos to Build That Wall! Maybe he can wall himself in & out of our sight.
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Seriously though
What a crock of sheet
Orange preek screamed for months that Mexico would pay for the wall
And his idiot base agreed
Make them pay for it then and leave the American
Taxpayers out of it
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The drugs are coming through the normal channels, in other words, through normal and legal ports of entry, not by people walking across deserts carrying tons of marijuana. The need those coconut calves to carry water, which is heavy enough, not compressed leaves. The bodies found in the desert are not reported to have huge caches of marijuana on their remains.
E-verify already exists & many states already require its use for hiring. Except for a small problem, with the shutdown, there is no E-verify working.
As for upgrading human border security, no problem. Democrats are not opposed to that, it’s the “artisan-designed” steel wall or the concrete wall (Trump can’t seem to make up his mind) that is the problem and a waste of money and effort.
And regarding the “massive invasion” of refugees from Honduras, etc, what’s lacking is manpower & courts and judges and lawyers. In other words, people and manpower. This is “boded security” on the cheap meant to provide a flimsy excuse for a wall.
The final problem, Trump does not want to negotiate anything seriously. He sees everything as a win-lose negotiation, a zero-sum game. This is political, nothing more. Look at his history of making deals. He only feels he is winning when he stiffs someone else. It is vital to his ego & understanding of the world.
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No fng way
He screamed over and over again Mexico was going to pay for it
Screw him let Mexico pay for it
I dont want my tax dollars going for a worthless political statement
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E verify
Hahahaha Hahahaha
Yes try to get the republicans to use that
Another bunch of sheet argument by republicans These people want cheap labor for their own businesses…..but they also want to keep people out
The republicans do not want e verify….. it just sounds like a good talking point
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For 20 yrs republicans beatched about immigration but their leaders fought to never prosecute and enforce work laws already on the books
This is a bull sheet argument to fire up the ignorant rural vote
The republicans dont really want any immigrantion reform
They want to abuse the system and take advantage of the political aspect at the same time
And the non elite rural uneducated just keep swallowing the bait
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Trump could go back for sloppy seconds if he drops the Russia sanctions
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WOW! That’s such empty crap.
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It wont stop people either. That being said hes on TV today implying the banks are helping people get along and grocery store is just giving out food on credit. This was in response to comments from Wilbur. Like this guy has no clue how people actually live.
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The republicans dont want to pay people for working
Thats why immigration never gets settled…… the republicans want the cheap labor
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Again
The orange preek said Mexico will pay for it
He said it over and over again
Make them pay for the fng wall and keep the taxpayers out of it
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I’m a taxpayer, and I’d like to fund it. As do all of those who voted for him.
We don’t get a choice as to whether we’ll pay for absurd left-wing programs. Now you guys need to grow up and pay for something that’s part of the essential functions of govt – the protection of our borders.-
Unfortunately for you, Congress gets a say, specifically the House.
And speaking of which, that Republican Congress, House & Senate, did not see it appropriate to fund a Wall for the past 2 years.
Now youve got to ask yourself why when the Republican House & Senate did not see the Wall as essential & Trump never pushed it as essential!
And Fox & Rush, etc all, never pushed the Wall as essential when it would have as easy as , Yes!
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Unfortunately for you, Congress gets a say, specifically the House.
And speaking of which, that Republican Congress, House & Senate, did not see it appropriate to fund a Wall for the past 2 years.
Now youve got to ask yourself why when the Republican House & Senate did not see the Wall as essential & Trump never pushed it as essential!
And Fox & Rush, etc all, never pushed the Wall as essential when it would have as easy as, Yes!
Now talk about absurd! Thats absurd to think it is suddenly essential now!
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Things change. And while some voters in Montana or the Dakotas and other inland states want a Wall, while those living on the border oppose the Wall.
Each of the nine House members whose districts touch the border from California to Texas opposes a wall as the wrong solution for border security.
The irony of the wall is it works best the further you are from the border, said Senator Martin Heinrich, Democrat of New Mexico, the state with the highest share of Hispanics.
To James Kolbe, a Republican who in the 1990s and 2000s represented the Arizona congressional seat that flipped in the midterms, south and east of Tucson, the presidents rhetoric about illegal immigrants was reminiscent of the white-hot anger he heard at town hall events in the mid-2000s. But that talk is out of date, he said, because [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/border-wall-crisis-mexico-usa.html?module=inline]the reality on the southern border is far different[/link].
With illegal immigration near a 50-year low, more Mexicans are leaving the United States than entering. Meanwhile, there is a spike in families and children from Central America turning themselves in to border agents.
Critics of the Trump administration say the actual border crisis is one of its own making because it has failed to allocate resources to process asylum seekers and humanely house children and families.
Rory Richardson, 70, a retired airline pilot, called a wall a waste of money. He blamed the president for falsely accusing immigrants of crimes unsupported by statistics.
He brings out the very worst in this society, Mr. Richardson said. Hes talking to the people who supported him from Day 1, that dont care about the truth. Theyve made up their minds and dont confuse me with the facts.
Real facts are always getting in the way of the Trump alternate facts universe.
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Funny too how all these unaffected people from rural states who value independence and freedom have absolutely no problem with the government seizing peoples land on the border to build a wall that Mexico isnt going to pay for
The undereducated non-elites
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Funny too how all these unaffected people from rural states who value independence and freedom have absolutely no problem with the government seizing peoples land on the border to build a wall that Mexico isnt going to pay for
The undereducated non-elites
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I’m a taxpayer, and I’d like to fund it. As do all of those who voted for him.
We don’t get a choice as to whether we’ll pay for absurd left-wing programs. Now you guys need to grow up and pay for something that’s part of the essential functions of govt – the protection of our border[u][i][b]s[/b][/i][/u].
How bout that plan for slatted steel walls to protect the northern border? That’s one of the borders.
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Unfortunately for you, Congress gets a say, specifically the House.
And speaking of which, that Republican Congress, House & Senate, did not see it appropriate to fund a Wall for the past 2 years.
Now youve got to ask yourself why when the Republican House & Senate did not see the Wall as essential & Trump never pushed it as essential!
And Fox & Rush, et al, never pushed the Wall as essential when it would have as easy as, Yes!
Now talk about absurd! Thats absurd to think it is suddenly essential now!
Point in fact, yesterdays vote. In a Republican controlled Senate, the Presidents plan drew less Republican support than did the Democratic plan.
Now THATs absurd!
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He said Mexico would pay for it
Im ok with that
But leave the American taxpayers out of it
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-25/senate-vote-shuts-down-trump-s-gambit-to-end-the-shutdown]Jonathan Bernstein[/link]: [b]Trump just lost his leverage on the wall[/b]
President Trump doesnt seem to realize it, but his claim to any leverage on the shutdown is officially dead after two Senate votes on reopening the government failed Thursday afternoon. The question now: Will Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans let him twist in the wind, bleeding away support little by little while the nation continues to suffer the consequences of the closure? Or will they finally move to end this fiasco?
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So the government remains closed because the Senate majority party is successfully killing by filibuster the most viable path to reopening it, which is a measure that has some fair claims to being bipartisan, and definitely has a majority in both chambers of Congress. Various versions of the Democrats clean bill have passed repeatedly in the House, each time with full Democratic support and a handful of Republican votes.With any normal White House, we would be at the end game now. Some kind of face-saving compromise would be floated that would let the president claim he had made a deal, and both houses of Congress would produce overwhelming majorities for it.
Of course, with any normal president, we wouldnt be in this situation in the first place. Trumps belief that an extended shutdown would somehow force Democrats to give in to him was always a poor gamble. At this point, theres really no reason for Democrats to back down and multiple reasons for Republicans to find a way out (public opinion blaming Trump and his party for the shutdown, the presidents approval ratings dropping, and far more Democratic unity in Congress).
But Trump isnt a normal president, and hes perfectly capable of inflicting further punishment on the nation (and his own political prospects) in the improbable hope that somehow he can still force congressional Democrats to buckle. Even though he has no plausible plan for making that happen.Its still not clear what McConnell and Senate Republicans want. Maybe this was all a set-up to demonstrate to Trump how bad his position is. Its also possible, however, that the purpose of Thursdays floor action was merely to give everyone a chance to cast votes they wanted to cast while leaving everything else untouched. Or it could be some combination of both. We dont know whether Republican senators behind the scenes are urging McConnell to hang tough or looking for an exit.[/QUOTE]
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And the GOP ranks are splitting:
[h1]Senate Republicans Clash With Each Other, Pence Over Shutdown[/h1]Republican senators clashed with one another and confronted Vice President Pence inside a private luncheon on Thursday, as anger hit a boiling point over the longest government shutdown in history, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/this-is-your-fault-gop-senators-clash-over-shutdown-inside-private-luncheon/2019/01/24/cde0ca22-2045-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html?utm_term=.47f3463e01d8]Washington Post[/link] reports.
This is your fault, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) told Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) at one point.
Are you suggesting Im enjoying this? McConnell snapped back.
The outbursts highlighted the toll the shutdown has taken on Republican lawmakers, who are dealing with growing concerns from constituents and blame from Democrats, all while facing pressure from conservatives to stand with Trump in his demand for money to build a wall on the border with Mexico.[/QUOTE]
That’s a good sign 🙂
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Shutdown deal may be in hand; Trump to make remarks[/h1]
[link=https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump]President Trump[/link] will address reporters about the partial government shutdown at 1:30 p.m. from the White House, a sign there may be a deal to end the impasse.
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump would address reporters from the Rose Garden.
A Senate source said Trump was looking at a three week to 45-day stopgap measure that would re-open the government and allow negotiations to continue on funding a wall on the Mexican border the issue that led to the shutdown.
Details of the proposal are in flux and won’t be final until Trump speaks, the source said.
A second source also said talks were centered on a three-week stopgap.
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This was to change the narrative away from the Mueller indictments/Roger Stone.
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Hahahaha thats what my oldest daughter said
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I’ve said it before, those Canadians look and talk just like us, eh?
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I think the shutdown has proven more than ever that all of these non-essential government jobs should be privatized. Not only would they be much more efficient and less costly, they couldn’t be used as political pawns. Fortunately I rarely deal with TSA agents. Because they are government employees their incompetence is ignored and accepted. These are people that could never hold a job in the private sector. If TSA was privatized going to an airport wouldn’t be such a sh!t show. This can be applied to most of the non-essential government jobs effected by the shutdown. Sadly the socialist lefties want government to control everything. My mayor is Deblasio. Need I say any more. He is basically a communist. Being a billionaire is now immoral. Let’s celebrate that all these evil white men are being sent to jail for supposedly lying to the FBI. Selective justice. It’s somehow way more important to protect the illegal criminals who have clearly broken US law. Do any of you remember how well Venezuela was doing when their socialist policies were first initiated. As government took over more and more of the private sector industries we have today’s Venezuela. This far left progressive aspect of the Democratic party is suggesting some dangerous policies. The far right is equally dangerous. There was a time when you had to be close to the middle to be electable. The democrats eyeing 2020 feel their best chance is going as far to the left as possible. Dangerous times.
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Did you book your flight to the noon on Elon Musks private spaceship yet?
Or is that another alias for tomorrow?
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What is a flight to the noon?
Oh nevermind, I forgot you are the idiot
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Are you back from the World Cup hanging with your many liberal friends living off your independently wealthy trust fund?
Hahahaha you and Figlers alias show up on the same day
To funny….. you tool
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I hope the medical school you went to in some sh!thole country has been demolished. Now I understand your political ideology. You are too stupid to manage your own affairs. You wish for some gigantic government state to tell you what you should do.
Typical redneck from the South that has never traveled the world. No perspective outside of your redneck neighborhood. Auntminnie defines you. I don’t think you could be more pathetic. Have another beer.-
I’m not traveling but I was hoping to get my tax refund. You know non-essential workers like the ones in the IRS are needed for that. And half of them went awol when asked to work for free. Moot point I guess for a few more weeks now.
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Just proves my point. If these non-essential government jobs we’re privatized they would not be held hostage by the politicians. They would be held accountable for performance unlike government employees.
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Shutdown is over. Can we now return to the russians ?
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Schumer addressed the 6th Annual Immigration Law and Policy Conference at Georgetown University in 2009. In his message, he said a number of things that contradict his current outlook on illegal immigration and border security.
“The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer explained.
“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally,” Schumer said. “Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible.”
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Shutdown is over. Can we now return to the russians ?
We’ll be right back here again in three weeks unless Trump adopts a new strategy.
He still might win on the wall over the long term (like he won in the courts ….. eventually … on the travel ban). But unless he drops the “shutdown the government (unpopular) in order to get a wall (unpopular)” strategy we’ll be shutdown again on Feb 15.
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I think the Sunday shows will be 70/30 Russia/Trump Caved coverage.
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Im still trying to figure out how a guy who travels the world….. goes to Russia for the World Cup….. takes exotic trips to all these great locations…… never has contact with TSA agents
Someone is FOS
This guy just bloviates about sheet
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Watched Bill Maher last night. Enjoyed the show. Ann Coulter was a guest & she was very, very upset with Trump, had diarrhea of the mouth, on and on…hardly letting Bill speak at all.
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Watched Bill Maher last night. Enjoyed the show. Ann Coulter was a guest & she was very, very upset with Trump, had diarrhea of the mouth, on and on…hardly letting Bill speak at all.
Like I said, very enjoyable.
Far right anti-immigration groups now calling for Coulter to run for President. Do it, Ann!
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Far right anti-immigration groups now calling for Coulter to run for President. Do it, Ann!
A Warren Coulter debate. That would be epic.
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P[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/02/11/beds-and-barriers-at-issue-as-washington-barrels-toward-another-shutdown-390103?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]laybook[/link]: Negotiations between Republicans and Democrats have broken down, and they are on the brink of being beyond repair.
Democrats are pushing for a statutory cap of 16,500 detention beds for people detained in the U.S., which is what they believe is a mechanism to focus the Trump administrations interior enforcement policies.
There is also disagreement on how much to spend on border barriers, and where such structures should go.
This is quickly becoming December all over again. Nothing has changed.
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This only proves the joke that is now an axiom that Republican say government doesnt work, get elected and then prove that it doesnt work.
Competent Republican government is an oxymoron.
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Democrats are pushing for a statutory cap of 16,500 detention beds for people detained in the U.S., which is what they believe is a mechanism to focus the Trump administrations interior enforcement policies.
There is also disagreement on how much to spend on border barriers, and where such structures should go.
Democrats, the pro-felon party. What’s new ?
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I thought Trump & Administration figures convicted of felonies were all Republicans, no?
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“Felonies”
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dergon, linking more of his leftist ilk … seems like it’s the only thing he does
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Agreement reached in principle by GOP and Dem negotiators:
$1.4 billion for barriers (that’s less than they offered the last time). No wall. Enhanced screening at the border. Dems drop demands for limiting ICE detention beds.
Unknown as to whether Trump will sign it.
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Agreement reached in principle by GOP and Dem negotiators:
$1.4 billion for barriers (that’s less than they offered the last time). No wall. Enhanced screening at the border. Dems drop demands for limiting ICE detention beds.
Unknown as to whether Trump will sign it.
Right wing is going to hate it.
Barriers/wall. Same thing. The democrats felon liberation plan is off the table.
So Trump won. Unfortunately he’ll find a way to fluck it up and turn it into a self inflicted wound.
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It’s pretty much the deal that made it through in December … that Trump decided wasn’t good enough and shut down the government over.
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It’s pretty much the deal that made it through in December … that Trump decided wasn’t good enough and shut down the government over.
If you want a dog, ask for a pony. Another CR, another opportunity to get more of the money for the wall/barrier/really-tall-fence.
It doesn’t need to work, all he needs is some sort of physical structure to take photos in front of during the 2020 campaign. Oh, and economic growth at 3% or above. With any luck there is a good 2020 hurricane season to help with economic growth and opportunities to appear presidential. Maybe even a terrorist attack.-
The schtick is running really thin
His supporters are dwindling to the craziest
His presidency is pretty much over
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Ask for a wall, put up a heavy lace curtain & declare victory. Maybe beads. Take a thumbs up photo with a big smile. All Trumpets need is the photo op of Mission Accomplished against those they hate, immigrants, Liberals, Democrats, tan people.
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His base is dwindling
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It’s pretty much the deal that made it through in December … that Trump decided wasn’t good enough and shut down the government over.
If you want a dog, ask for a pony. Another CR, another opportunity to get more of the money for the wall/barrier/really-tall-fence.
It doesn’t need to work, all he needs is some sort of physical structure to take photos in front of during the 2020 campaign.
But it only works for Trump [i]politically[/i] if his FoxNews enablers of the Hannity/Coulter variety agree to call it a pony.
If they’re out there saying that it’s not a pony… it’s not even a dog … it’s a steaming pile of sh*t … then it’s hard for Trump to sell as a “win”.
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But if Hannity & Coulter & Rush said the steaming pile was the Wall they wanted, the Trumpets would all be cheering the win right along with Trump.
It was never about substance.
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And right on cue:
Any Republican that supports this garbage compromise, you will have to explain.
Sean Hannity, quoted by [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/government-shutdown-deal-border-hannity-1164567]Politico[/link], after lawmakers announced a border deal to prevent a government shutdown.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/02/12/why-this-is-the-best-border-deal-trump-will-get-391457?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]Playbook[/link]: Two things are true: Optically, this deal sucks for the president, because he led his supporters to believe he would get near $6 billion for a wall. But, at the same time, this is the best hes going to get.
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Ann Coulter: Trump talks a good game on the border wall but it’s increasingly clear he’s afraid to fight for it. Call this his “Yellow New Deal.”
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Heel spurs is just losing at about everything now
Once the democrats took the house he just pretty much has fallen apart
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