[btomba_77]

[link=https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/defense-expert-george-floyd-trial-faces-maryland-lawsuit-77142805]https://abcnews.go.com/US…yland-lawsuit-77142805[/link]
 
[b]Defense expert in Derek Chauvin trial is a defendant in a federal wrongful death lawsuit[/b] The former chief medical examiner for Maryland who testified on behalf of the officer accused of killing George Floyd is a defendant in a federal lawsuit over the death of a man who died under circumstances similar to Floyd.
 
 

Dr. David Fowler was chief medical examiner in Maryland for 17 years before retiring in 2019.
 
He served as a key defense witness for Officer Derek Chauvin. Fowler testified that he would have ruled Floyd’s cause of death as undetermined rather than homicide. He also testified that Floyd’s heart disease contributed to his death, contradicting prosecution experts who cited asphyxiation as a result of Chauvin’s knee being pressed into Floyd’s neck for more than nine minutes.
 
The case bears similarities to that of 19-year-old Anton Black, who died in 2018 while in police custody on Maryland’s Eastern Shore. A federal lawsuit filed in Baltimore alleges that officers with the Greensboro police department and nearby agencies kept their weight on Black for several minutes even after he was prone and handcuffed.
 
The lawsuit alleges that the officers’ actions caused Black to die of asphyxiation. It alleges that Fowler and the medical examiner who conducted Black’s autopsy intentionally covered up for police by ignoring evidence of asphyxiation and playing up other factors that supported the police narrative.

 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Police out of control & attacking journalists reporting police actions. Seems police do not like being reported on by journalists and will take aggressive action.
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/business/minnesota-journalists-assault-protests.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-assault-protests.html[/link]
 

Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, on Sunday responded to reports that the states police officers had assaulted journalists covering the unrest in a Minneapolis suburb, saying, Apologies are not enough; it just cannot happen.
 
I think we all need to recognize the assault on media across the world and even in our country over the last few years is chilling, Mr. Walz said in an interview with a local [link=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/5501269-interview-gov-tim-walz-on-brooklyn-center-protests-and-law-enforcement-response/]CBS station[/link]. We cannot function as a democracy if theyre not there.
 
On Saturday, a lawyer representing more than 20 news media organizations sent a letter to Mr. Walz and leaders of Minnesota law enforcement organizations detailing a series of alleged assaults of journalists by police officers in the past week. Journalists have been sprayed with chemical irritants, arrested, thrown to the ground and beaten by police officers while covering protests, wrote the lawyer, Leita Walker.
 
Joshua Rashaad McFadden, a freelance photographer who was covering the protests for The Times, said in an interview on Sunday that the police surrounded the car he was in on Tuesday as he tried to leave the protests. They beat on the windows with batons, then entered the car to force him out, beating his legs and striking his camera lens, he said.
 
Later in the week, he said, he was [link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/17/brooklyn-center-protests-police-round-up-journalists/7268057002/]forced to the ground along with other journalists[/link] and photographed by the police.

 
 
 

[btomba_77]

Quote from Frumious

Police out of control & attacking journalists reporting police actions. Seems police do not like being reported on by journalists and will take aggressive action.

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/business/minnesota-journalists-assault-protests.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-assault-protests.html[/link]

 
Law Enforcement not doing themselves any favors.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Tasing gone wrong but I dont see a problem with use of force here. It has the look like he tried to get away from being arrested. He even drove after being shot is my understanding. I wouldnt want to read a story about police let suspect gets away and runs over a kid or something like that.

This whole why should I comply thing is BS sometimes. Sometimes you should comply with a police officer. Its not like he was walking down the street minding his business and they randomly hassled him.

[btomba_77]

I will grant that a large percentage of people interfacing with law enforcement are taking part in criminal behavior.   Many are not nice/good people. Let’s just all accept that for the purpose of future discussion.
 
 
now we can move on to use of force discussions.
 
 
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If compliance with law enforcement came with a guarantee of an interaction free from inappropriate force, harassment, humiliation or  bias in arrest/search behavior I believe you would see a much higher compliance rate.

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

There will never be a guarantee because in every situation the unknown will be the alleged offender’s response. Look at the Wright case. Look at the shooting in GA. In both those cases the interaction was appropriate until both suspects were being placed in cuffs and then they resisted. 
 
If America wants to start triaging what stops can be made etc, then America needs to be ready to accept all the results that will occur, including innocent lives being lost, and watch how many more guns and ammo will be purchased.

[kayla.meyer_144]

From, of all places, Newsmax.
 
Sometimes, reality & “rights” makes for strange bedfellows.
 
[link=https://www.newsmax.com/hannahcox/exonerations-convictions-justice-system-founding-fathers/2018/10/01/id/884319/]https://www.newsmax.com/h…/2018/10/01/id/884319/[/link]
 

If youre a Founding Fathers groupie and Constitution enthusiast like myself, then youve probably come across this quote before, It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer, or at least some variation of it.
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The quote, which was actually first expressed by the English jurist William Blackstone but is often attributed to Benjamin Franklin, has been absorbed into our countrys consciousness since our inception. What it hasnt been absorbed into is the actual structure and practices of our justice system.

 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Further defining “compliance” is our “hero”, George Floyd and Chauvin and all the other police around who watched with their hands in their pockets or worse.
 
Yes, Floyd was “non-compliant.” But it should not be a death penalty. There are such things as attenuating circumstances when it comes to non-compliance and culpability. The police are not hired as extra-judicial executioners, they are supposed to be “law” enforcement, not extra-legal enforcement and executioners.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Good article listing all the police killings. Quite a few of them were compliant & now they are dead anyway starting with Eric Garner.
 
Policing as it exists today needs a major overhaul on attitude But juries need to stop blaming the victims also. 
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/19/us/derek-chauvin-police-killings.html]https://www.nytimes.com/i…n-police-killings.html[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Another non-compliant criminal.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/20/karen-garner-video-loveland-criminal-probe/]https://www.washingtonpos…veland-criminal-probe/[/link]
 
Is this really the police we want? Are we scraping the bottom of the barrel for police these days who can’t think on their feet and just see resistance that must be overcome with “command and control” regardless of everything including a person suffering from dementia who can’t understand the situation but must be passive and compliant according to the definition of the police?

[kaldridgewv2211]

I see Dergon wrote something like Police aren’t doing themselves any favors.  I think they broke this ladies bones.  What’s she weight like 100lbs.  She had dementia and I think she went back to pay the $14.  These cops should be removed from the Police and any future policing.  They should be shunned by their community.  
 
 

[janecreeve_520]

One thing seems to be missing in lot of analysis

Ie the denominator
How many arrests etc

Makes me think of cnn starting off every broadcast with the worst radiology miss of the day

No mention of how many cases were read that day across the country

Need radiology reform

Even one miss is unacceptable
Costs and other issues like climate change be damned
This deserves all the bandwidth

[btomba_77]

Quote from illinois

One thing seems to be missing in lot of analysis

Ie the denominator
How many arrests etc

I think a fair comparative would be number of force incidents/deaths/abuse by law enforcement in other developed democracies.
 
And I think the United States would fail miserably using that as a measuring stick.

[janecreeve_520]

I think arrests would give a better denominator

My guess is less violent crime in a lot of developed democracies- obviously fewer arrests will give fewer opportunites for bad outcomes
– analagous to fewer cases read
 
maybe you want to compare the number of lung nodule misses per day in USA versus switzerland? ie look at absolute numbers????? maybe to bolster a claim that radiology is superior in switzerland..
 
giving the most sensational anecdote for a given day leaves a stupefyed population
 
i just looked up – FYI.  approximately 33000 arrests per day in USA.  

[clickpenguin_460]

Maybe if people stopped committing crimes they would stop getting shot, eh?
 
There’s going to always be more “cop killings” here because the criminals all have guns here so cops are using lethal force so they aren’t killed first.
 
This country is set up on guns so you can pick between more cops dead or more criminals dead with a few mistakes (very few actually).
 
If you want to take away all the guns from everyone then good luck but that’s what the difference is here vs. other countries.  We have chosen to put gun rights in our Constitution and empower our citizens with them while other countries haven’t.  
 
Personally, I’m not going to lose sleep over 1000 criminals getting shot by cops each year in return for the safety and freedom of owning guns but I understand other people love criminals more than I do so that’s fine.

[kaldridgewv2211]

so there’s reporters in Minneapolis saying that cops are pepper spraying, beating them, and this is after they show their press credentials.  That’s a good use of force?  The cops aren’t doing themselves any favors.  I wonder if their police department is insured.  Cause they should be looking a lawsuit buffet.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Come on Dan, the journalists are not compliant. Happens every time in other countries. Like Russia, like Turkey, like China. Like any country run by despots.
 
We are so envious. 
 
Simplest solutions by dictatorships are the best. Force.

[btomba_77]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

so there’s reporters in Minneapolis saying that cops are pepper spraying, beating them, and this is after they show their press credentials.  That’s a good use of force?  The cops aren’t doing themselves any favors.  I wonder if their police department is insured.  Cause they should be looking a lawsuit buffet.

 
Police don’t like to be filmed. So they tell the journalists to stop and then beat them for “failing to comply with an order”  (even though that order does not carry the force of law)
 
It’s abuse of power and it should be criminally charged.   Next we need to make these officers carry *individual* liability policies so that the tax payers of the cities aren’t on the hook and if they go over their coverage cap they get dropped.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from dergon

Next we need to make these officers carry *individual* liability policies so that the tax payers of the cities aren’t on the hook and if they go over their coverage cap they get dropped.

Have them cover themselves individually by the same insurance companies & similar policies for medical malpractice.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from dergon

Quote from DICOM_Dan

so there’s reporters in Minneapolis saying that cops are pepper spraying, beating them, and this is after they show their press credentials.  That’s a good use of force?  The cops aren’t doing themselves any favors.  I wonder if their police department is insured.  Cause they should be looking a lawsuit buffet.

Police don’t like to be filmed. So they tell the journalists to stop and then beat them for “failing to comply with an order”  (even though that order does not carry the force of law)

It’s abuse of power and it should be criminally charged.   Next we need to make these officers carry *individual* liability policies so that the tax payers of the cities aren’t on the hook and if they go over their coverage cap they get dropped.

I do believe journalist should comply with lawful orders.  I would think for safety as once reason.  I can see a cop saying don’t stand here but instead over here.  That could be to keep someone from getting trampled by a crowd etc…  or stand on the side walk so you don’t get run over.  Move away so the ambulance can get through.  Any number of things.   It sounds more like they’re just beating the crap out of journalists.  They one freelancer said they ripped his credentials off of him and threw him down.  This is where the Feds should probably be stepping in.  
 
I see the point of liability insurance.  Kind of like a doctor would have.  

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I see the point of liability insurance.  Kind of like a doctor would have.  

 
Every cop I know already carries it, usually through the union. There are some liabilitiy exposures the employer doesn’t cover. Expanding what cops are liable for would just increase the premium for that policy which the taxpayer will pay for at the next round of negotiations.
 
We need to strip more bad cops of their pension, that’s when you get their attention.

[ruszja]

Quote from illinois

One thing seems to be missing in lot of analysis

Ie the denominator
How many arrests etc

 
Not even arrests. Simply ‘interactions with law enforcement’. In 2018,  there were 6,545,700 contacts between african american citizens and police of which 3,393,800 are considered ‘police initiated’. The great majority of these contacts ended with either [i]’have a good day'[/i] or a ‘[i]sign here, its not an admission of guilt, just a agreement to contact the court’. [/i]A small portion of the interactions ends with an arrest and a tiny tiny near immeasurable faction ends up with the unjustified killing of the citizen.
But you’ll never see on CNN: [i]Breaking news. Isaac Brown of Peoria, IL was given an equipment repair order for a broken taillight lens and nothing happened'[/i]

[kayla.meyer_144]

But you can hear it on NPR. Reality? Its not simple, its complicated.
 
[link=https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/04/20/988769793/when-you-add-more-police-to-a-city-what-happens]https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/04/20/988769793/when-you-add-more-police-to-a-city-what-happens[/link]

After the death of George Floyd opened up a national debate about policing, Morgan Williams and his colleagues turned to the tools of economics to try and provide some evidence to help inform the conversation. He recently released research that supports the case for police reform while also reminding us why police are important for public safety.
 
Williams and his colleagues, Aaron Chalfin, Benjamin Hansen, and Emily Weisburst, got motivated to answer questions like: What is the measurable value of adding a new police officer to patrol a city? Do additional officers prevent homicides? How many people do these officers arrest and for what? And how do bigger police forces affect Black communities?
 
They gathered data from the FBI and other public data sources for 242 cities between the years 1981 and 2018. They obtained figures on police employment, homicide rates, reported crimes, arrests, and more. And they used technically-savvy statistical techniques to estimate the effects of expanding the size of police forces on things like preventing homicides and increasing arrests (read [link=https://click.nl.npr.org/?qs=c5b5449e0cacf2c0fe1e6ffdd5647b8b33741441ecba76f0dfcdffcd94664eceb3e4edf04ae0b14f25ace3d01357f96013cdf3d7b90ba53b]their working paper[/link] for more depth, and, also spend a few hours reading about “instrumental variable” regression, which is pretty freaking genius).
 
Williams and his colleagues find adding a new police officer to a city prevents between 0.06 and 0.1 homicides, which means that the average city would need to hire between 10 and 17 new police officers to save one life a year. They estimate that costs taxpayers annually between $1.3 and $2.2 million. The federal government puts the value of a statistical life at [link=https://click.nl.npr.org/?qs=c5b5449e0cacf2c0b36b6d798df1ebd9929cff85989c98ec635441793f8c10536fed9f68562c66180a3516c082920eba9b55c56fd008a79b]around $10 million[/link] ([link=https://click.nl.npr.org/?qs=c5b5449e0cacf2c0ba52d94c2d2612c3f897848827425a0a98e2ff118a4611ed82ee4da0b80d8812dade9d444e25f49b9d01e37b7d762b5c]Planet Money [/link][link=https://click.nl.npr.org/?qs=c5b5449e0cacf2c0ba52d94c2d2612c3f897848827425a0a98e2ff118a4611ed82ee4da0b80d8812dade9d444e25f49b9d01e37b7d762b5c]did a whole episode on how that number was chosen[/link]). So, Williams says, from that perspective, investing in more police officers to save lives provides a pretty good bang for the buck. Adding more police, they find, also reduces other serious crimes, like robbery, rape, and aggravated assault.
 
Even more, Williams and his coauthors find that, in the average city, larger police forces result in Black lives saved at about twice the rate of white lives saved (relative to their percentage of the population). When you consider African Americans are much more likely to live in dense, poverty-stricken areas with high homicide rates leading to more opportunities for police officers to potentially prevent victimization that may help explain this finding.

 
However, there is another side to the coin as todays trial was about.
 

But, at the same time, Williams and his coauthors also find adding more police officers to a city means more people getting arrested for petty, low-level, victimless crimes, like disorderly conduct, drinking in public, drug possession, and loitering. Black people are disproportionately the target of these low-level arrests, saddling them with crippling court fees and forcing many kids sometimes unnecessarily into the criminal justice system.
 
The economists also find troubling evidence that suggests cities with the largest populations of Black people like many of those in the South and Midwest don’t see the same policing benefits as the average cities in their study. Adding additional police officers in these cities doesn’t seem to lower the homicide rate. Meanwhile, more police officers in these cities seems to result in even more arrests of Black people for low-level crimes. The authors believe it supports a narrative that “Black communities are simultaneously over and under-policed.” The economists don’t have a solid explanation for why bigger police forces appear to lead to worse outcomes in these cities, and they plan to investigate these findings more deeply in future research.

 

Bottom line, the picture the economists’ data sketches out is complicated. On the one hand, Black communities generally appear to benefit from larger police departments when it comes to lowering the homicide rate and the rate of other serious crimes. But their data also shows these findings don’t seem true for cities with the largest Black populations. And throughout the country, they find significant racial disparities in low-level arrests, with lots of Black people getting prosecuted for low-level crimes, resulting in many lives damaged without necessarily improving public safety.
 
“We’re getting plenty of policing, but it might not always be the type of policing that keeps people safe,” Williams says regarding these findings. 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Saw the Columbus PD presser. They played the body can footage. Sure enough looks like some weird family scuffle going on. He shots a girl who looks like shes going at another girl with a knife. You can here the knife drop when he shoots her. And you see a some kind of knife there by the girl. So to me all these people are up in arms about cops murdering this girl. Sure looks like he was saving someone from getting stabbed.

Heres the YouTube but its got graphic footage.

[link]https://youtu.be/Fpnibt9RQ2U[/link]

[kaldridgewv2211]

Some people have stills now. Sure looks like the officer saved a life of someone else. This girl had a girl backed into a car. Knife in hand. Cocked back and ready to stab.

[clickpenguin_460]

I wonder how the social worker would have talked her out of the stabbing?  Would have been interesting to see for sure.
 
Also Frumi, I literally linked you an article that listed all of the cities that cut funding to their police.  The Left has been using the term “defund” to include funding cuts.  The extreme Left uses the term to mean completely cutting funding.

[kayla.meyer_144]

=Cubsfan10

Also Frumi, I literally linked you an article that listed all of the cities that cut funding to their police.  The Left has been using the term “defund” to include funding cuts.  The extreme Left uses the term to mean completely cutting funding.

You lead with conclusions that are not stated or supported by the link you provide. A common habit for you.
 
The article specifically talks about Austin only & how they will reallocate funds from their police budget. No mention anywhere of reality or fear of increased crime as a result, all totally your conclusion by inference only. The article links to 20 cities who allegedly want to reallocate funds but the link to Bloomberg talks instead about how many of those cities have in fact not reallocated funds except places like Tulsa & Austin, etc. You are closer to those places but I have read zero about haw crime has increased DUE TO those reallocations. In fact can you show that crime has increased at all in the timeframes relating to reallocation?
 
I doubt you can show an increase & link causation to reallocation anywhere. But please do.

[clickpenguin_460]

Also Frumi, I literally linked you an article that listed all of the cities that cut funding to their police.  The Left has been using the term “defund” to include funding cuts.  The extreme Left uses the term to mean completely cutting funding.

You lead with conclusions that are not stated or supported by the link you provide. A common habit for you.

The article specifically talks about Austin only & how they will reallocate funds from their police budget. No mention anywhere of reality or fear of increased crime as a result, all totally your conclusion by inference only. The article links to 20 cities who allegedly want to reallocate funds but the link to Bloomberg talks instead about how many of those cities have in fact not reallocated funds except places like Tulsa & Austin, etc. You are closer to those places but I have read zero about haw crime has increased DUE TO those reallocations. In fact can you show that crime has increased at all in the timeframes relating to reallocation?

I doubt you can show an increase & link causation to reallocation anywhere. But please do.

 
You’re winning the troll behavior on this one, I will give you that.
 
NYC, LA, Austin, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc. have all cut funding to police and they all have a significant increase in violent crime since.  Minneapolis has even since re-applied funds.  I wonder if they thought there was a correlation?
 
You’re so far lost in your own fantasy world that you ruin all of these threads.  fw, Dicomdan, and dergon are all at least honest about the facts even if they try to spin them a bit far sometimes.
 
No one but you is saying funds weren’t cut to police and no one but you is saying that violence hasn’t increased.  Keep living in your fantasy though and maybe one day we can have a rational discussion about something.  

[kayla.meyer_144]

I recall right-wingers making the identical argument about the “Ferguson Effect,” predicting increased crimes. Except it did not happen. For years now we have been hearing from the Right about increasing crime even as stats have shown much lower crime rates nationally.
 
Facts get in the way of alternate facts. I’ll bet crime does not increase.  Policing has to change which means training. Policing is not a daily military operation against an armed enemy every day every circumstance. America is not Falluja, believe it or not.
 
[link=https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/09/greg-abbott/examining-austins-property-crime-trends/]https://www.politifact.co…property-crime-trends/[/link]
 

Abbott is not the only Texas elected official whos rebuked Austin leaders for cutting the Austin police budget. Several other Republicans have seized on Austins police spending as an issue in their reelection campaigns.
 
[b]The perception of high crime in Austin reflects a popular misconception that crime is always on the rise despite a general downward trend, said Texas State University criminologist Sean Roche. On average, crime in the U.S. has declined since the mid-1990s to historically low and stable levels.[/b]
 
“Over-concern about crime is likely to mobilize the public to be more punitive, thereby fueling support for increased law enforcement spending and harsh sentencing policies,” Roche and his coauthors wrote. “Public punitiveness is one of the strongest predictors of both federal and state incarceration rates.”
 
After asserting that the property crime rate in Austin is rising, Abbotts tweet goes on to claim that rising crime is “the kind of thing that happens when cities defund and deemphasize police.”
 
Its unclear what the governor means when he says “deemphasize police” his office did not respond to multiple requests for comment but we can be sure what city hes referring to when talking about defunding. The Austin City Council recently decided to cut $21.5 million from the police budget and shifted another $128 million from the Police Department to other city departments to continue civilian-run functions, such as the 911 call center and forensics.
 
Austin Police Chief Brian Manley indicated in August that the department may reduce or eliminate about a dozen police units while reassigning those officers to patrol duties. 
 
[b]Abbotts tweet made two factual claims: that property crime in Austin is on the rise and that this increase is causally linked to the citys police budget cuts.[/b]
 
[b]The article Abbott referenced also cited data that showed crime rates as of August, which is before cuts to APDs budget took effect on Oct. 1.[/b]
 
[b]The second part of his claim, that increased property crime is “the kind of thing that happens when cities defund and deemphasize police,” appears to be [u][i]based on assumption.[/i][/u][/b] Researchers have demonstrated how numerous intervening factors confound the relationship between police force size and crime. Rather, strategic crime deterrent strategies are seen as having a more direct impact on crime rates.
 
We rate this claim Mostly False.

 
 

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Saw the Columbus PD presser. They played the body can footage. Sure enough looks like some weird family scuffle going on. He shots a girl who looks like shes going at another girl with a knife. You can here the knife drop when he shoots her. And you see a some kind of knife there by the girl. So to me all these people are up in arms about cops murdering this girl. Sure looks like he was saving someone from getting stabbed.

Heres the YouTube but its got graphic footage.

[link=https://youtu.be/Fpnibt9RQ2U]https://youtu.be/Fpnibt9RQ2U[/link]

 
That officer needs to get the departments life-saving award.
 
Red arrow: knife in mid swing
Purple arrow: the guy he should have put down next
 
Good shoot. There shouldn’t be any of this ‘administrative duty’ stupidity. Give him an extra 3 days off and put him back on the street (with a special assignment to the training academy to teach others how to shoot).
 
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[btomba_77]

Quote from Frumious

Another non-compliant criminal.

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/20/karen-garner-video-loveland-criminal-probe/]https://www.washingtonpos…veland-criminal-probe/[/link]

Is this really the police we want? Are we scraping the bottom of the barrel for police these days who can’t think on their feet and just see resistance that must be overcome with “command and control” regardless of everything including a person suffering from dementia who can’t understand the situation but must be passive and compliant according to the definition of the police?

[b] “Are you ready for the pop?”[/b]
 
stationhouse video shows officers laughing while watching video of arrest that broke the arm of a 73 year old woman with dementia detained for wandering out of Wal-Mart with $13 of goods.
 

“Bodycams are my favorite thing to watch. I could watch livestream bodycams all day,” Jalali says.

But as the three of them continue watching, it appears Jalali becomes uncomfortable with the video.

“Can you stop it now?” she asks.

“What?” Hopp asks.

According to a YouTube transcription of the video, Hopp then asks, “Are you ready for the pop?” as Jalali covers her ears.

“Hear the pop?” Hopp asks.

“I hate this,” Jalali says.

“This is great,” Hopp responds.

“I hate it,” Jalali says.

“I love it,” Hopp fires back.

[/QUOTE]
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Requires music – Thats entertainment

[btomba_77]

[b]FBI launches civil rights probe into the killing of Andrew Brown Jr following the release of independent autopsy report[/b]
[b]
[/b]
The Federal Bureau of Investigation announced on Tuesday that it has opened a civil rights investigation into the death of Andrew Brown Jr, a Black man who was fatally shot by police in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Earlier on Tuesday, attorneys of Brown’s family released an independent autopsy report which showed that Brown was shot five times, including a shot in the back of his head. Calls are growing for the police to release the full bodycam footage, a 20-second clip of which was supplied to the family.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Problem is the Virginia trooper can now just get a job somewhere else when he probably shouldn’t be allowed to walk around with a gun as a officer or private citizen.  This MF’er in Texas should have a biblical style @$$ whopping of his own.  Tar and feather him.

[btomba_77]

Quote from dergon

[b] “Are you ready for the pop?”[/b]

stationhouse video shows officers laughing while watching video of arrest that broke the arm of a 73 year old woman with dementia detained for wandering out of Wal-Mart with $13 of goods.

 
[i] [h1]Three Colorado police officers ‘no longer employed’ after arrest of 73-year-old woman with dementia[/h1] [/i]

[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-colorado-police-officers-no-longer-employed-after-arrest-73-n1265994]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news…st-73-n1265994[/link]
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

She was non-compliant. What else needs to be known.
 
Mental illness and dementia is no excuse for non-compliance. People have been killed for less non-compliance, the family should be grateful to police.
 
/S
 
Breaking the should of a 73 y/o w dementia is funny, amusing, comedy entertainment, no further self-examination required. We need a new COPS! show, a comedy where these clips are shown for public entertainment. “Hey, listen for the POP!”
 
Really, are these the police we want? Are these the police we need? 
 
I don’t want these police in my town or state. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Cubsfan10

Maybe if people stopped committing crimes they would stop getting shot, eh?

Personally, I’m not going to lose sleep over 1000 criminals getting shot by cops each year in return for the safety and freedom of owning guns but I understand other people love criminals more than I do so that’s fine.

Which came first? Criminal activities or discrimination?
 
I was not aware that 2nd Lt Caron Nazario was committing a crime? What was it please?
 
Eric Garner selling loosies without paying taxes? That’s a capital crime?
Tamir Rice? Capital crime holding a toy gun?
Breonna Taylor? Capital crime sleeping in own home?
Walter Scott running away for a broken taillight? A capital crime?
Oscar Grant III? The crime?
Sean Bell? Capital crime being at his bachelor party?
Philando Castile? Capital crime?
John Crawford III? Shopping for a toy gun is a capital crime?
 
Yes. Look at all the crimes the police have stopped. There are many, many more crimes not listed.
 
Wonder if these criminals all have some sort of similarity that police see but we don’t?
 
Sleep well.
 
 

[clickpenguin_460]

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Maybe if people stopped committing crimes they would stop getting shot, eh?

Personally, I’m not going to lose sleep over 1000 criminals getting shot by cops each year in return for the safety and freedom of owning guns but I understand other people love criminals more than I do so that’s fine.

Which came first? Criminal activities or discrimination?

I was not aware that 2nd Lt Caron Nazario was committing a crime? What was it please?

Eric Garner selling loosies without paying taxes? That’s a capital crime?
Tamir Rice? Capital crime holding a toy gun?
Breonna Taylor? Capital crime sleeping in own home?
Walter Scott running away for a broken taillight? A capital crime?
Oscar Grant III? The crime?
Sean Bell? Capital crime being at his bachelor party?
Philando Castile? Capital crime?
John Crawford III? Shopping for a toy gun is a capital crime?

Yes. Look at all the crimes the police have stopped. There are many, many more crimes not listed.

Wonder if these criminals all have some sort of similarity that police see but we don’t?

Sleep well.

 
I do.  I’m not upset by 10 mistakes out of 100s of thousands, especially when most of those are only mistakes after the fact.  If you don’t commit crimes, don’t associate with people who commit crimes, and don’t run away from the cops then you’ll be fine.  You’re falling into a trap of bias to see what you want to see.
 
You’re welcome to live in a world with no cops.  How about you start listing all of the criminal murders in the same timeframe of those cases you listed above?  It would take you days.
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

What crimes did they commit again? After the fact or otherwise? Who did they associate with that deserved their treatment?
 
Police need to follow the law, not be above it.

Also love the world without cops argument. If you cant rationally discuss facts I guess you can always use absured arguments, reductio ad absurdum is the way to win.
 
ya sure.
 
 

[clickpenguin_460]

You must have fallen down and forgotten that Breonna Taylor was aiding her drug dealer boyfriend.  Did she deserve to be shot?  No.  But mistakes will happen and they are extremely rare.
 
The fallacy is you and the media types bringing up single cases every so often that are not the norm nor indicative of any bias or problem with the system.
 
What do you want the cops to do when they are faced with criminals and situations that put themselves in danger.  As far as I’m concerned, until you’ve been a cop responding to these criminals on a daily basis, you have no room to judge at all.
 
Demonizing the cops and lifting up criminals and their associates is not the way society should act.
 
Even people in these communities know it as they have overwhelming support for the cops.  
 
Oh, and how are all those cities doing that defunded police?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Reductio ad absurdum is all you got? 
 
Who exactly defunded the police? Do you live in reality or just fantasyland?

[clickpenguin_460]

Quote from Frumious

Reductio ad absurdum is all you got? 

Who exactly defunded the police? Do you live in reality or just fantasyland?

 
It’s your side that is using the term “defund” to mean “reduce funding” and just about every major city has done so to some degree.  How are those cities doing?  Is violent crime up or down?
 
[link=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community#:~:text=New%20York%2C%20Los%20Angeles%2C%20Chicago,all%20also%20reduced%20police%20spending.]https://www.theguardian.c…d%20police%20spending.[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Who has “defunded” the police? You used the term so you define WTF you mean by it.
 
You never seem to answer any direct questions other than with deflection questions.

[clickpenguin_460]

Quote from Frumious

Who has “defunded” the police? You used the term so you define WTF you mean by it.

You never seem to answer any direct questions other than with deflection questions.

 
I literally just answered this directly.  
 
Dergon nicely asked for some opposing viewpoints in this forum and now I remember why I left.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Bye again then.

But the question still is who defunded the police? You did not answer the question.

[kayla.meyer_144]

All 3 counts, guilty!

Lets hope this is the beginning of real change for policing & police attitudes.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Police shot a 15 year in Columbus. People seem to be up in arms. However, the mayor says theres body cam footage. So Ill be curious as to what happened. Supposedly she had a knife.

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

And then the lie of  racism gets played. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ixrayu

And then the lie of  racism gets played. 

Where?

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

Quote from Ixrayu

And then the lie of  racism gets played. 

Where?

 
This AP story of a BLM protest about her shooting is literally the first item that comes up on a google or bing search:
 
[link=https://apnews.com/article/columbus-ohio-police-shooting-teenage-girl-0c04a74691f3f3fb3895d6220c729080]https://apnews.com/articl…f3f3fb3895d6220c729080[/link]
 
 
Even before the video was released : 
 
[i]Meanwhile, outside the briefing, hundreds of protesters pushed past barriers outside police headquarters and approached officers as city officials were showing the bodycam video inside.[/i]
 
The basic assumption is: She was black, she was shot —> this was done for nefarious reasons and her life didn’t matter [u]because [/u]she was black
 
No, she died because she was an idiot in an environment of idiots and came out of a house swinging a knife at people. She needed to be shot in that moment.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://abc7news.com/justice-department-minneapolis-police-investigation-derek-chauvin-guilty-verdict-merrick-garland-doj-announcement-george-floyd/10533984/]https://abc7news.com/just…george-floyd/10533984/[/link]

[h1][b]Justice Department to announce sweeping investigation into policing practices in Minneapolis:[/b][/h1]

Attorney General Merrick Garland is expected to announce that the Justice Department is opening a sweeping investigation into policing practices in Minneapolis after the guilty verdict in George Floyd’s death, a person familiar with the matter told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The Justice Department is already investigating whether the officers involved in Floyd’s death violated Floyd’s civil rights. The investigation announced Wednesday is known as a “pattern or practice” and will be a more sweeping probe of the entire department and may result in major changes to policing there, the official said. The official had direct knowledge of the matter but was not authorized to speak publicly about the upcoming announcement, planned for Wednesday morning.

The investigation will examine practices used by police and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations among other things, the person said. It’s unclear whether the years under investigation will begin when Floyd died or before.[/QUOTE]
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

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No, she died because she was an idiot in an environment of idiots and came out of a house swinging a knife at people. She needed to be shot in that moment.

She died because she attempted murder.

[ruszja]

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Quote from fw

No, she died because she was an idiot in an environment of idiots and came out of a house swinging a knife at people. She needed to be shot in that moment.

She died because she attempted murder.

 
I have to mark down the day that we agreed on something.
 
Its a good case to divine the ideologues from the rest. Anyone who looks at that video first in real time and then frame by frame and still talks about ‘couldn’t he have tased her’ or ‘why didn’t he just stop that little girl’ is not living in reality. A tried to murder B with a knife and C intervened.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from Frumious

Quote from Ixrayu

And then the lie of  racism gets played. 

Where?

every douche on Twitter was sending out Tweets about the police committed another murder of a black person all the while the George Floyd verdict was coming down.  I’d like to see any of those people eat it and retract their statements.  Lots of BS being spread.  Like she was defending herself.  It sure looks like she was going to stab someone.  It’s more like what the fudge kind of foster home was she in?  It looked like an old slobber knocker was happening.  If anything time to haul the foster parents up on charges.
 
Edit***interestingly enough OH just got rid of duty to retreat.***

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

Quote from Frumious

Quote from fw

No, she died because she was an idiot in an environment of idiots and came out of a house swinging a knife at people. She needed to be shot in that moment.

She died because she attempted murder.

I have to mark down the day that we agreed on something.

Its a good case to divine the ideologues from the rest. Anyone who looks at that video first in real time and then frame by frame and still talks about ‘couldn’t he have tased her’ or ‘why didn’t he just stop that little girl’ is not living in reality. A tried to murder B with a knife and C intervened.

Mark down several days then while you’re at it starting with COVID then Chauvin.
 
 

[clickpenguin_460]

I like the way this thread it going.

[btomba_77]

 
 
[h1]Bodycam captures Louisiana cop tasing handcuffed 67-year-old man[/h1]

[link=https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/bodycam-shows-louisiana-cop-tasing-handcuffed-67-year-old-man/]https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/bodyca…-year-old-man/[/link]
 
Shocking new bodycam footage captures the moment an irate Louisiana cop repeatedly zaps a 67-year-old man with a Taser, taunting the man by telling him to scream.
 
Scream again, Police Officer Nolan Dehon is heard telling Izell Richardson during the encounter in Port Allen last month. Go ahead, scream. Scream again.
When Richardson, who is handcuffed, yells for help from the back of the police cruiser, Dehon zaps him twice, [link=https://www.kmov.com/news/graphic-video-body-camera-captures-louisiana-officer-tasing-67-year-old/article_7d29010e-a36e-11eb-9686-733c2555c64a.html]KMOV-TV reported[/link].
 
Richardson was never charged with a crime, and Dehon faces a May 5 hearing.
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Richardson was “non-compliant.” Just because it was his home gave him no right to object to being handcuffed & Tasered for breaking into his own home. & then yelling at police just because. At minimum, disturbing the peace.
 
These people never learn.
 
/S  (in case anyone misunderstood my post)
 
OK, so someone explain. Not racism since the cop is black. So what is this exactly & why do these things seem to be a Groundhog Day occurrence?

[btomba_77]

It doesnt always have to be about race.

Im sure that black sociopaths are drawn to law enforcement so that they can exercise arbitrary power and abuse disempowered /marginalized /unsympathetic individuals the same way that white sociopaths are

[Unknown Member]

But if we are honest with ourselves, well admit that too many fathers are missing – missing from too many lives and too many homes. They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it.

You and I know how true this is in the African-American community.

We know the statistics – that children who grow up without a father are 5 times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; 9 times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.

[clickpenguin_460]

Quote from irfellowship2020

But if we are honest with ourselves, well admit that too many fathers are missing – missing from too many lives and too many homes. They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it.

You and I know how true this is in the African-American community.

We know the statistics – that children who grow up without a father are 5 times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; 9 times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.

 
Be careful.  You’d be fired for saying this if you work in academics, media, government, etc.  
 
You’re absolutely right though and until we can have honest conversations about things like this, the problems will never get better.
 
 
Also, @dergon you’re not saying all cops are sociopaths are you?

[btomba_77]

I strongly support adopting the bulk of the recommendations of the Kerner Commmisssion to help alleviate urban poverty and the social problems that stem from it.

That said, the fact that althe African American community has higher rates of single parent households does nothing to alleviate law enforcement of their responsibilities to do everything within their power to treat each individual fairly and with dignity … and does not in any way justify inappropriate use of force

[clickpenguin_460]

Quote from dergon

I strongly support adopting the bulk of the recommendations of the Kerner Commmisssion to help alleviate urban poverty and the social problems that stem from it.

That said, the fact that althe African American community has higher rates of single parent households does nothing to alleviate law enforcement of their responsibilities to do everything within their power to treat each individual fairly and with dignity … and does not in any way justify inappropriate use of force

 
I think most reasonable people stand against inappropriate use of force.  The problem is all of us looking from the outside in at a job we don’t have an understanding of day in and day out.  Cops deal with violent criminals everyday and are forced to make quick decisions that sometimes turn out to be the wrong ones.  They are rightly punished when they need to be – see Chauvin.
 
I’m interested in what you would have done in 9 seconds seeing a person mid-swing about to plunge a knife into someone else.
 
Also the Kerner Commission mirrors the modern Democratic platform – all problems are due to racism.  That’s just not reality.

[btomba_77]

They are [b]*very rarely*[/b] punished when they need to be.
 
And the Kerner commission acknowledges the reality of  racial disparities.  That is very different than saying all problems are due to racism.
 
Bad policing practices, a flawed justice system, poor housing, a poor education system, poor health care, poor mental health services, predatory lending, all effect the African American community at a higher rate than whites.  That doesn’t mean all whites are racist.
 
I agree with the overall finding that “white society” as it was described in the 60s,  largely created, condones, and maintains the system of racial disparities in America.
 
The Kerner commission also, rightly imho, railed against the arming of more and more police with more and more weapons as a response to urban violence.
 
 
 
 
 

[clickpenguin_460]

They probably could be punished more frequently, I agree with that.  The unions are strong!
 
I will have to read more about the Kerner commission and my vague recollection of it from college (admittedly years ago) was that it was an all roads lead to racism thing.
 
In any case, I think there certainly needs to be a new bi-partisan commission to examine the modern urban and societal decay.  Blaming police is a scapegoat of a bigger societal problem IMO.  
 
The issue I have with all the race stuff is that is obscures deeper problems and doesn’t allow us to talk about them.  As long as people can blame race and play victim, the problems are never going to get better.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Cubsfan10

Also the Kerner Commission mirrors the modern Democratic platform – all problems are due to racism.  That’s just not reality.

WOW! You’ve just glossed over 53 years of history as if this all happened yesterday for no good reason and nothing has changed.
 
Jim Crow still existed and during this time the Parties swapped platforms on race with the Republicans forming their new Southern Strategy after the Democrats pushed Civil Rights legislation. M.L. King was still alive but was soon to be murdered by a white racist in April 1968, a little longer than 1 month after the Commission released its report proving racist discrimination and violence was a big part of America. And let’s not forget the Black Panther Party formed to fight police violence against Black people and other minorities, even Whites joined the BPP.
 
[link=https://www.npr.org/2021/04/23/990088415/npr-podcast-throughline-examines-the-real-black-panthers]https://www.npr.org/2021/…he-real-black-panthers[/link]
 
If you believe the present Democratic Party’s platform is right out of the Kerner Commission of 1968 it only verifies structural racism existing today and how much has not changed in some people’s minds since 1968. The Southern Strategy is still operational today in the Republican Party. The Republican platform for smaller government and less activism for domestic affairs (like entrenched Jim Crow) grew directly from the Federal government under Johnson to promote Civil Rights, anathema to the South and a continuation of the States Rights excuse for bad nonrepresentational and tyrannical state governments.
 
[link=https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/southern-strategy]https://www.encyclopedia….ines/southern-strategy[/link]
 
So if you mean Democrats are still working for Civil Rights and Voting Rights after 50+ years, you are correct. The GOP is still living in the past trying to disenfranchise minority voting. Some people apparently have a very hard time changing and moving into the future.

[clickpenguin_460]

lol I spit up my drink a little bit.  Now I have to get a napkin!

[btomba_77]

Interesting look at when police reform works

[link=https://www.nj.com/news/2021/01/newark-cops-with-reform-didnt-fire-a-single-shot-in-2020-moran.html]https://www.nj.com/news/2021/01/newa…020-moran.html[/link]

Newark Police officers did not fire a single shot during the calendar year 2020, and the city didnt pay a single dime to settle police brutality cases. Thats never happened, at least in the citys modern history.
…

At the same time, crime is dropping, and police recovered almost 500 illegal guns from the street during the year.

…
The reforms are the results of a federal consent decree, the billy club used by the Department of Justice after a long investigation concluded in 2014 revealed the rot that had infested the department for decades. It found a rogue department that tolerated widespread brutality and racism, with no accountability, and zero training on how to de-escalate confrontations with civilians.

…

They hired more Black and brown officers, began training programs based on best-practices, required any officer who uses force in any way to report it in detail, and for the supervisor to review it. The bad cops were suddenly outed.

[btomba_77]

[b]Val Demings Defends Cop Who Fatally Shot Ma’Khia Bryant: ‘He Responded As He Was Trained To Do'[/b]
 
 
“I also was a patrol officer who was out there on the street, having to make those split-second decisions. You know now everybody has the benefit of slowing the video down and seizing the perfect moment. The officer on the street does not have that ability. He or she has to make those split-second decisions and theyre tough. But the limited information that I know in viewing the video, it appears that the officer responded, as he was trained to do, with the main thought of preventing a tragedy and loss of life of the person who was about to be assaulted.”

[ruszja]

Quote from dergon

[b]Val Demings Defends Cop Who Fatally Shot Ma’Khia Bryant: ‘He Responded As He Was Trained To Do'[/b]

“I also was a patrol officer who was out there on the street, having to make those split-second decisions. You know now everybody has the benefit of slowing the video down and seizing the perfect moment. The officer on the street does not have that ability. He or she has to make those split-second decisions and theyre tough. But the limited information that I know in viewing the video, it appears that the officer responded, as he was trained to do, with the main thought of preventing a tragedy and loss of life of the person who was about to be assaulted.”

 
I guess there goes her political future.

[btomba_77]

[h4][link=https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/550302-doj-launches-probe-of-louisville-police-department]DOJ launches probe of Louisville police after fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor[/link][/h4]

Attorney General [link=https://thehill.com/people/merrick-garland]Merrick Garland[/link] announced Monday that the Department of Justice (DOJ) would launch an investigation into the Louisville Metro Police Department, the second such probe announced in the past week.
 
The so-called pattern or practice investigation comes after the death of [link=https://thehill.com/person/breonna-taylor]Breonna Taylor[/link], an African American woman who was killed last year by Louisville police during a no-knock raid on her apartment.
 
Those investigations, and the recommendations and actions that ensue, do not only protect individual civil rights. They also assist police departments in developing measures to increase transparency and accountability, Garland said in the announcement at the department’s headquarters.
[/QUOTE]
 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/550384-minnesota-corrections-officer-on-leave-after-video-shows-confrontation]https://thehill.com/homen…eo-shows-confrontation[/link]

Minnesota corrections officer on leave after video shows confrontation with protesters-

In a video posted on Twitter by civil rights attorney Nekima Levy Armstrong on Sunday, Stillwater, Minn., corrections officer Paul Gorder and his wife, Kimberly Beer, are seen shouting obscenities and racial slurs toward protesters during a protest for Daunte Wright, who was killed by Minneapolis police officer Kim Porter this month.

Minnesota Commissioner of Corrections Paul Schnell put out a statement Monday on calling Gorders actions deeply disturbing and contrary to the mission and values of his department, according to HuffPost

At a time when we are focused on growing trust in law enforcement and the broader criminal justice system, the conduct and comments by the DOC sergeant and his wife to the group of mostly African American peaceful protestors are troubling, Schnell said in a statement to the HuffPost.

[btomba_77]

[b]Virginia Trooper relieved from his post after he pulls a black driver out of his car by the neck for an expired tag.[/b]

[i]FAIRFAX, Va. A white state trooper who was seen on video telling a Black driver you are going to get your a** whipped and yanking him out of the car by his neck is no longer with the Virginia State Police, a spokeswoman said.

The Washington Post [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/watch-the-show-folks-va-trooper-no-longer-employed-after-playing-to-camera-in-violent-stop-of-black-driver/2021/04/23/21dd1b36-a3a6-11eb-85fc-06664ff4489d_story.html]reports [/link]that spokeswoman Corinne Geller said state police were prohibited from releasing additional detail about Charles Hewitt, the trooper seen in a viral video of a 2019 traffic stop.[/i]
 
[i] Joshua Erlich, an attorney for driver Derrick Thompson, said he was told during the settlement of a federal lawsuit over the incident that Hewitt was fired for cause in February, months after the video became public.

At one point, Hewitt leans toward Thompson and yells: Take a look at me. I am a f—ing specimen right here, buddy. You have gotten on my last nerve, all right?

[/i]

[link=https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-trooper-viral-video-charles-hewitt-2019-traffic-stop/65-a160f5c6-73be-4198-ae6a-4c7df5d449e8]https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article…a-4c7df5d449e8[/link]

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/us/isaiah-brown-shooting.html]Deputy Shoots Unarmed Man Repeatedly During 911 Call, Officials Say[/link]

Isaiah Brown was on a cordless phone with an emergency dispatcher when he was shot, his lawyer said. His family said he was in intensive care.

***
At least seven gunshots can be heard on the body-camera footage.

The officer mistook a cordless house phone for a gun, Mr. Browns lawyer, David Haynes, said in a statement. There is no indication that Isaiah did anything other than comply with dispatchs orders and raised his hands with the phone in his hand as instructed. The deputy in question made multiple, basic policing errors and violated established protocols. Mr. Haynes said the family learned that Mr. Brown had been shot 10 times.

***

[kayla.meyer_144]

Happens all the time. Competence and public danger has nothing to do with it. Even the cop, Timothy Loehmann who shot Tamir Rice within seconds who was allowed to resign at his prior police job for being found to have an inability to emotionally function was hired by Cleveland. And now the police union is defending him before the Ohio Supreme Court to get his job back.
 
What’s competence got to do with being a police officer?
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/27/tamir-rice-timothy-loehmann/]https://www.washingtonpos…rice-timothy-loehmann/[/link]

[btomba_77]

It never ends:
[h2]Police fired 24 shots at a handcuffed man. Why didn’t they turn on their body cameras?[/h2] [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-fired-24-shots-handcuffed-man-why-didn-t-they-n1264887]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news…-they-n1264887[/link]
 
 

The McCree case, along with the recent deadly police shootings of [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daunte-wright-was-stopped-expired-plates-driving-while-black-may-n1263878]Daunte Wright[/link], [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/outrage-after-footage-released-in-fatal-police-shooting-of-13-year-old-adam-toledo-110347845832]Adam Toledo[/link] and [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-police-fatally-shoot-teen-girl-after-call-about-knife-n1264731]MaKhia Bryant[/link] highlight the importance of body camera video for transparency. Of the more than 12,000 local police departments around the country, roughly half have body cameras, but having body cameras doesnt mean theyll be used properly.
 
Experts say police departments need to implement three basic rules in order for the cameras to be effective: tell officers specifically when to hit record, ensure they announce they are filming, and outline clear consequences for when the rules are broken.
 
But many of the nations major police departments dont follow these basic guidelines. Examining the body camera policies of 28 large police departments in a geographically representative array of U.S. states, along with the policy in Chester, NBC News found 45 percent gave specific instructions for when officers should start recording. Roughly 41 percent required officers to announce theyre recording. And only 34 percent clearly stated there are consequences for not recording.
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Why make it an option. Always on body cam. Problem solved.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/551391-judge-rules-columbus-police-cant-use-tear-gas-or-rubber-bullets-against]https://thehill.com/homen…rubber-bullets-against[/link]

[b]Judge rules Columbus police can’t use tear gas or rubber bullets against peaceful protesters[/b]
 
 

Link to [link=https://www.nbc4i.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2021/04/real-order.pdf]an 88-page opinion[/link] 

 Chief Judge Algenon L. Marbley of the Southern District of Ohio described the officers’ use of physical violence, tear gas and pepper spray as the sad tale of officers, clothed with the awesome power of the state, run amok.
 
Marbley also ordered that officers be restrained from using other weapons and tactics such as flash-bang grenades, rubber bullets, body slams or kettling against nonviolent protesters. Officers must ensure that police vehicle cameras and body cameras are in “good working order” when interacting with nonviolent protesters.
 
Officers must also allow individuals legitimately displaying identifiers as press, media, reporter, paramedic or legal observer to record protests and to assist those who appear to be injured, Marbley ruled.

[/QUOTE]
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Why do anti-government types support the states use of police violence against peaceful citizens?

[kaldridgewv2211]

It’s authoritarianism at it’s finest.  That’s what the Trumpties want.  Kind Donald.