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[b]Trump Compares Police Shooting to Missing a Putt[/b][/h1]
President Trump told [link=https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1300639524159193090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1300639524159193090%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Ftrump-says-the-kenosha-cop-who-shot-jacob-blake-just-choked-like-a-golfer-missing-a-putt]Fox News[/link] that the police officer who shot Jacob Blake in the back seven times last month was just having a bad day, like a golfer who misses a simple putt.
Said Trump: Shooting the guy in the back many times, I mean, couldnt you have done something different? Couldnt you have wrestled him? But they choke. Just like in a golf tournament. They miss a three-foot putt.Trump compares killing an unarmed black civilian to missing a three foot putt in a golf tournament, Ingraham jumps in to make him stop. pic.twitter.com/NeHqVn4Uvf
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 1, 2020
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[link=https://local.theonion.com/unpopular-police-officer-thinking-about-committing-raci-1819576863?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1599567723&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter]https://local.theonion.co…amp;utm_source=twitter[/link]
The Onion:
[h1]Unpopular Police Officer Thinking About Committing Racially Motivated Offense For A Little Support[/h1]
[img]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,pg_1,q_80,w_800/aqqxct3jkn9rp8qixcms.jpg[/img]Tired of being overlooked by everyone in his precinct, unpopular Indianapolis Police Department officer Kyle Norris told reporters Wednesday he was considering committing a racially motivated offense to generate a little support. To be honest, Im not the most well-known or looked-up-to guy around here, but Im thinking that if I get caught up in a controversy after shooting a minority resident under questionable circumstances, things would really change for me, said Norris, who added that having his coworkers immediately rally around him after the incident, watching consecutive nights of public demonstrations defending his actions, and finally receiving praise directly from the chief of police would be a nice change of pace from his day-to-day life as an ignored and unappreciated member of the force.
Obviously, Id take some heat from some citizens, but I think it would be worth it when just as many people respond by openly speaking about my exemplary record as an officer and calling me a pillar of the community. No ones ever said that about me before. If this thing gets big enough, I might even see some people on Twitter and TV calling me a herothat would feel good. Norris added that it would probably also be a nice little boost when the 12 members of his jury take less than an hour to declare him not guilty.
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The original Antifa was allied with Hitler in defeating the Weimar Republic. That did not work out for Antifa, as Hitler eliminated them before going on to do more Hitler stuff.
I’m just saying Antifa doesn’t think things through to their obvious conclusions.
Poor Chiro.
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Another one, this time with consequences: [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/17/utah-officer-charged-dog-attack/?hpid=hp_morning-mix-8-12-rr1_mm-slccop%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans]A Salt Lake City police officer ordered a dog to bite a kneeling Black man. Now he faces a felony charge.[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/516934-colorado-officer-suspended-one-week-for-pulling-gun-on-indian-american]Colorado officer suspended one week for pulling gun on Indian American doctor in his own parking lot
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In a cellphone video taken by P.J. Parmar on March 1, Parmar accuses Henderson of trespassing at Mango House, a resource center for refugees. An argument ensues when Henderson appears skeptical that Parmar actually owns the property, and holds what appears to be a pistol with an attached flashlight.
[Henderson] approached me, pointed his gun point blank at my head, and repeatedly demanded for me to prove that it is my property, Parmar wrote shortly after the incident in a medium post. As if a dark skin person doesnt own commercial buildings in the hood, or tend to them on Sunday evening.
Parmar told the newspaper he does not believe Hendersons discipline is sufficient.
Its not enough, he told the paper in an email. That would never fly in the business world Ive terminated employees for less. The police pretty much have free rein to do whatever they want. An attorney for Parmar, David Lane, said his client intends to file a federal lawsuit against Aurora over the incident.Lane said in June that under existing law, officers are only permitted to draw a gun on a suspect if they have reasonable fear for their lives.
That force may only be used if the officer is in reasonable fear for his or her life, Lane told the newspaper. Dr. Parmar was merely loading boxes into his vehicle on his own property when an Aurora officer approached him with a drawn gun.
The incident comes as the August 2019 death of Elijah McClain has already put the Aurora Police Department in the spotlight. McClain, a 23-year-old Black massage therapist, was restrained by officers and injected with ketamine by paramedics. The injection led to cardiac arrest and McClain was removed from life support less than a week afterward.
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[link=https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-19/video-shows-lapd-officers-protesters-shoot-him-in-groin]Video shows LAPD officer shooting protester in groin at close range[/link]
Newly released body camera video from protests in Los Angeles this summer shows L.A. police officers yank a large protest sign from the hands of a man in a Hollywood intersection, shove him backward as he puts his hands up, then shoot him in the groin with a projectile at close range.
Ben Montemayor, a 28-year-old filmmaker, suffered serious injuries to his testicles as a result and was rushed into emergency surgery, he told The Times in the days that followed.
The video raises new questions about the LAPDs tactics during the summers tumultuous protests, particularly in regard to their use of 40-millimeter projectiles which, by policy, are not meant to be used on individuals for mere noncompliance. In some ways, its even worse than we thought, said Dan Stormer, one of Montemayors attorneys. Its not often you see something like this that is so cut and dried, but its pretty brutal.
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fmynewsla.com%2Fcrime%2F2022%2F03%2F13%2Flapd-report-shows-officers-often-escape-discipline-for-wrongful-shootings-3%2F]LAPD Report Shows its Officers Often Escape Discipline for Wrongful Shootings[/link]
The Los Angeles Police Commission Tuesday will review a report that shows about 41% of LAPD officers who shot at people in violation of department policy were not disciplined.
According to the report by the Los Angeles Police Departments inspector general, 27 of the 66 officers found to have violated LAPD rules on shootings by a civilian oversight board escaped punishment, while 13 were reprimanded, one was fired and 20 received unpaid suspensions.
The findings were reported by the [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2022-03-12%2Fmost-lapd-officers-who-break-deadly-force-policy-in-shootings-avoid-serious-discipline]Los Angeles Times[/link], which added that cases for three other officers were pending.
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(and took a little stroll down memory lane to the first pages of this thread in June 2020 …. Covid “on its last legs” … HAH!)
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[h2][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/13/little-rock-humphrey-black-police-chief-retirement-union/?itid=hp_opinions]Facing union pushback, another Black police chief steps down[/link][/h2]
After three tumultuous years on the job, Little Rock police chief Keith Humphrey [link=https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/may/03/little-rock-police-chief-keith-humphrey-to-retire/]announced his retirement[/link] last week. His resignation is just [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/13/black-police-know-racism-law-enforcement/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2]the latest in an exodus[/link] of reform-oriented Black police chiefs across the country after aggressive, ugly and often racist pushback from police unions and their supporters.
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Humphrey was hardly a radical. He pushed for familiar, outward-facing reforms body cameras, a citizens review board and sourcing investigations of officer shootings to outside organizations. But he also pushed for more police funding. And the reforms he enacted that most angered the union shouldnt have been controversial, such as an anti-nepotism policy, limiting how long officers can serve in elite units and rotating command staff.
Police management experts say such policies are critical to breaking up the fiefdoms that can develop in poorly managed departments. But barons dont easily hand over their domains. The problem with these particular reforms wasnt that they hurt cops most LRPD officers benefited from them. The problem was that they threatened the unions grip on the department.…
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I don’t know which is worse, the idiocy of firing the taser into spilled gas or the brutality of using the taser for a non-violent suspect being potentially charged with misdemeanor driving offenses.
[link=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10841249/Bodycam-cop-setting-dirt-bike-rider-alight-shows-officer-shouting-kill-pump-theres-gas.html]https://www.dailymail.co….l-pump-theres-gas.html[/link]
[h2]Horrific new bodycam captures cop tasering dirt bike rider at gas station causing fireball that ‘cooked victim alive’: Deputy screams in pain and begs fellow officers ‘to put it out’ as he rolls on the ground[/h2]
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The private insurance market doing some good work here —
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-insurance-settlements-reform/]https://www.washingtonpos…ce-settlements-reform/[/link]
Insurers force change on police departments long resistant to it[/h1] The high cost of settlements over police misconduct has led insurers to demand police departments overhaul tactics or forgo coverage[/h2]
Then, an otherwise silent stakeholder stepped in. The St. Louis Area Insurance Trust risk pool which provided liability coverage to the city of St. Ann and the police department threatened to cancel coverage if the department didnt impose restrictions on its use of police chases. City officials shopped around for alternative coverage but soon learned that costs would nearly double if they did not agree to their insurers demands.
Where community activists, use-of-force victims and city officials have failed to persuade police departments to change dangerous and sometimes deadly policing practices, insurers are successfully dictating changes to tactics and policies, mostly at small to medium-size departments throughout the nation.
Entire states are having to adjust to insurers demands. In New Mexico, the largest risk pool which provides coverage for one-third of the states police officers hired an instructor last year to travel the state and retrain officers in de-escalation skills after private insurance rates climbed by more than 60 percent. The risk pool that insures 30 of the states 33sheriff departments also saw coverage shrink while rates shot up 50 percent over the past three years because of police use-of-force claims.
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Apparently the grand jury basically did nothing in the Breonna Taylor case. They charged one office with wanton endangerment which was for blindly firing into other apartments. Not a single thing for killing that girl on a no knock warrant while she was in bed.
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You have your facts wrong. It was not a no knock warrant. The KY AG in press conference indicated this. He said it was confirmed by an independent witness that verified the police knocked and announced. Two officers cleared because her boyfriend, and he admitted to the fact, shot first striking one officer in his thigh. She was standing next to him when police returned fire.
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Uhaul trucks carrying weapons, signs and various other paraphernalia spotted unloading their stuff in Louisville.
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Uhaul trucks carrying weapons, signs and various other paraphernalia spotted unloading their stuff in Louisville.
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“mostly peaceful protests!”
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Bull. There were no weapons being unloaded! There were signs.
This sounds like the Q-anon BS about Antifa starting fires out west so people armed themselves & stayed home endangering themselves to be burned.
This is irresponsible posting. If the truth wont do to cause fear & panic, simple, just make up lies.
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Example of people using social media to spread lies & fear.
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2 officers shot tonight
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Democratic governor in Kentucky, unfortunately.
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Example of people using social media to spread lies & fear.
I am nominating this post for the most poorly aged post in the entire history of AM.com.
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Didn’t Frumi post something awhile back like “Antifa is just a state of mind” and “Antifa is just something that right wing people made up”?
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Yeah it would be a crowded field if it wasnt all the same person. I mean even some clown posting from his toy-room called this one accurately. Submitted for your entertainment:
[link=https://youtu.be/lx_6suyekVc]https://youtu.be/lx_6suyekVc[/link]
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Didn’t Frumi post something awhile back like “Antifa is just a state of mind” and “Antifa is just something that right wing people made up”?
it mostly is. I’m not saying there aren’t people who are antifa but it’s blown way out of proportion. Like Joe Biden and his antifa army are gonna kill your dog with mail in ballots.
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BLM is causing the violence and rioting. Antifa seems to be a minor player.
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Or “Antifa is unloading weapons for demonstrators,” or “Antifa is flying people into fire areas to deliberately start fires,” etc.
Somehow the actual evidence is missing. Rather like the insane accusations against George Soros or Hillary and Pizzagate and rampant child sex rings everywhere supported by Democrats.
Q-Anon insane beliefs has become mainstream Republican belief. To prove that point, Tom Kean, Jr, son of well respected father who was Gov of NJ is pushing Q-Anon conspiracy beliefs.
[link=https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/09/tom-kean-jr-is-lying-and-hiding-moran.html]https://www.nj.com/opinio…-and-hiding-moran.html[/link]
[link=https://news.yahoo.com/in-apparent-play-for-q-anon-supporters-gop-attack-ads-claim-democrat-lawmakers-defending-sex-offenders-221037264.html]https://news.yahoo.com/in…fenders-221037264.html[/link] -
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/519256-state-troopers-body-camera-recorded-talk-of-beating-choking-black-man]https://thehill.com/homen…ting-choking-black-man[/link]
State trooper’s body-camera recorded talk of beating, choking Black man
Police had initially told Greenes family that he had died due to his injuries sustained in the car crash, but the family has challenged that narrative and called for the body-camera footage to be released. Questions about his death led the family to file a federal wrongful-death lawsuit and authorities to open a federal civil rights investigation.
In the recording, Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth, who died last week in a single-car crash, is apparently discussing Greenes arrest in northern Louisiana with a colleague over the phone.
I beat the ever-living f— out of him, Hollingsworth said, according to the AP.
Choked him and everything else trying to get him under control, the white trooper said.
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So, another criminal was viciously resisting arrest. Cool.
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[link=https://www.theonion.com/blue-lives-matter-supporters-say-kyle-rittenhouse-not-r-1844869225?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1602942321&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter]https://www.theonion.com/…amp;utm_source=twitter[/link]
The Onion:
[h1][b]Blue Lives Matter Supporters Say Kyle Rittenhouse Not Reflective Of Most Peaceful Apologists For Police State[/b][/h1]
[img]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,h_900,pg_1,q_60,w_1600/aurxhr0bzsrt4fyz2awk.jpg[/img]
NEW YORKAfter an AR-15-wielding teenager was charged with the first-degree murder of two protesters in Kenosha, WI, Blue Lives Matter supporters told reporters Thursday that Kyle Rittenhouses actions did not reflect the nonviolent tactics favored by most police-state apologists.
When you see us out there waving thin blue line flags and menacing the public with semiautomatic rifles, please know that the majority of us are just peacefully expressing our support for a system in which police officers are allowed to kill with impunity, said Blue Lives Matter activist Gordon Hamblett, explaining that the movement did not stand for lethal vigilante violence, but rather for lethal state-supported violence carried out in the name of keeping people safe.
Do we sympathize with this 17-year-old police admirers desire to live out a long-nurtured militia-man fantasy of patrolling the streets and administering justice? Certainly. Does the real blame ultimately lie with the people who were shot for failing to obey his orders? Of course. Nonetheless, we cannot condone Rittenhouses decision to pull the trigger without a badge.
Hamblett added that anyone who was considering mowing down innocent civilians on a public street should at least enroll in a police academy first.[/QUOTE]
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Apparently the grand jury basically did nothing in the Breonna Taylor case. They charged one office with wanton endangerment which was for blindly firing into other apartments. Not a single thing for killing that girl on a no knock warrant while she was in bed.
Not that it makes her killing any less wrong, but she was in the hallway when she was killed, not in bed.
The GJ has to decide whether there is sufficient evidence of a crime being committed to charge someone, and from the circumstances as published, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
Its not the officers on the scene who need to be held responsible for this killing. Its the judge who signed the warrant who needs to be removed from the bench and the chief of the narcotics bureau who should be fired. Its the entire concept of the ‘war on drugs’ and how it is prosecuted that are the problem. -
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/516934-colorado-officer-suspended-one-week-for-pulling-gun-on-indian-american]Colorado officer suspended one week for pulling gun on Indian American doctor in his own parking lot
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In a cellphone video taken by P.J. Parmar on March 1, Parmar accuses Henderson of trespassing at Mango House, a resource center for refugees. An argument ensues when Henderson appears skeptical that Parmar actually owns the property, and holds what appears to be a pistol with an attached flashlight.
[Henderson] approached me, pointed his gun point blank at my head, and repeatedly demanded for me to prove that it is my property, Parmar wrote shortly after the incident in a medium post. As if a dark skin person doesnt own commercial buildings in the hood, or tend to them on Sunday evening.
Parmar told the newspaper he does not believe Hendersons discipline is sufficient.
Its not enough, he told the paper in an email. That would never fly in the business world Ive terminated employees for less. The police pretty much have free rein to do whatever they want. An attorney for Parmar, David Lane, said his client intends to file a federal lawsuit against Aurora over the incident.
Lane said in June that under existing law, officers are only permitted to draw a gun on a suspect if they have reasonable fear for their lives.
That force may only be used if the officer is in reasonable fear for his or her life, Lane told the newspaper. Dr. Parmar was merely loading boxes into his vehicle on his own property when an Aurora officer approached him with a drawn gun.The incident comes as the August 2019 death of Elijah McClain has already put the Aurora Police Department in the spotlight. McClain, a 23-year-old Black massage therapist, was restrained by officers and injected with ketamine by paramedics. The injection led to cardiac arrest and McClain was removed from life support less than a week afterward.
[/QUOTE][link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/01/elijah-mcclain-colorado-cops-paramedics-charged-with-manslaughter.html]Elijah McClain case: 3 Colorado cops, 2 paramedics charged with manslaughter, negligent homicide in Black man’s death
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[ul][*]Three Colorado police officers and two paramedics were charged with manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide in the 2019 death of Elijah McClain, a young Black man, the states attorney general said Wednesday.[*]McClain, 23, died after he was stopped by cops while walking on a street in Aurora, Colorado, placed in a chokehold, and injected with ketamine, a sedative.[*]McClains death came the summer before the May 2020 police killing of George Floyd, another Black man, by Minneapolis cops.[*]Floyds murder ignited protests nationwide and broad calls for reforms of police departments. [/ul]
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What kind of policing do we want in this country? Apparently the police have no duty to protect.
Good program in RadioLab, listen or read transcript.
[link=https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/no-special-duty]https://www.wnycstudios.o…ticles/no-special-duty[/link]-
Analysis of police actions during Breonna Taylors killing by police.
Pretty disgusting the actions by panicky cowboys.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007348445/breonna-taylor-death-cops.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage]https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007348445/breonna-taylor-death-cops.html[/link]-
Columbus OH just had a police shooting. Guy holding a cell phone and officer didn’t turn on body cam.
[link=https://www.wfmj.com/story/43092909/mayor-body-cam-not-activated-in-police-killing-of-black-man]https://www.wfmj.com/stor…e-killing-of-black-man[/link]
there was another I heard about on NPR from Youngstown. They shot a guy walking into his house and the dude had a sandwich in his hand. I guess maybe a hoagie was a lethal weapon.-
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Columbus OH just had a police shooting. Guy holding a cell phone and officer didn’t turn on body cam.
[link=https://www.wfmj.com/story/43092909/mayor-body-cam-not-activated-in-police-killing-of-black-man]https://www.wfmj.com/stor…e-killing-of-black-man[/link]
there was another I heard about on NPR from Youngstown. They shot a guy walking into his house and the dude had a sandwich in his hand. I guess maybe a hoagie was a lethal weapon.
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You mean actually hold the police accountable for their actions?
And as we have seen, even video that shows egregious behavior by police always with very few exceptions does not lead to accountability for police departments or individual officers. We have a few examples of police actually being punished, even as lightly as being fired for fatalities much less jail terms but we have numerous examples excusing egregious actions by police on unarmed people including children.
The public itself has to value civilian lives. Too many juries devalue civilian lives by excusing police misconduct.
One supposes the 1st question is, why?
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Columbus OH just had a police shooting. Guy holding a cell phone and officer didn’t turn on body cam.
[link=https://www.wfmj.com/story/43092909/mayor-body-cam-not-activated-in-police-killing-of-black-man]https://www.wfmj.com/stor…e-killing-of-black-man[/link]
there was another I heard about on NPR from Youngstown. They shot a guy walking into his house and the dude had a sandwich in his hand. I guess maybe a hoagie was a lethal weapon.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/us/adam-coy-columbus-murder-andre-hill.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…murder-andre-hill.html[/link][b]Former Columbus Police Officer Is Charged With Murder[/b][/h1] Adam Coy fatally shot Andre Hill in December within seconds of approaching him. Mr. Coy also faces charges for not activating his body camera until after the shooting.
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Nate Silver: “Defund the police” may really have hurt Democrats’ standing with nonwhite voters.
[link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/david-shor-2020-democrats-autopsy-hispanic-vote-midterms-trump-gop.html]https://nymag.com/intelli…idterms-trump-gop.html[/link]
“What happened in 2020 is that nonwhite conservatives voted for Republicans at higher rates; they started voting more like white conservatives.”
“Clinton voters with conservative views on crime, policing, and public safety were far more likely to switch to Trump than voters with less conservative views on those issues. And having conservative views on those issues was more predictive of switching from Clinton to Trump than having conservative views on any other issue-set was.”[/QUOTE]
Pollster Frank Luntz: Whether its your intention or not, #DefundThePolice sounds like lets eliminate funding for law enforcement.
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Pollster Frank Luntz: Whether its your intention or not, #DefundThePolice sounds like lets eliminate funding for law enforcement.
Its not what you say, its what people hear.
No, people heard exactly what the democrats were saying: Defund the police. That’s exactly what it means. Less funding for police, fewer cops on the streets, less enforcement of laws. Even Biden and Harris who had a strong anti-crime background ran away from it as fast as they could.
That ‘defund the police’ slogan sounded great when they listened to themselves talk. To anyone who owns a little bit of stuff but lives in a sketchy neighborhood it was a slap in the face.People want better police, not less of it.
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What *not* to do while on duty in uniform:
[link=https://www.rawstory.com/police-officer-suspended/]Town ‘appalled and outraged’ after cop posts profane Democrat-bashing TikTok video while on duty[/link]
“A member of the Mansfield Borough Police Department has been suspended after filming a TikTok live video inside his police car while making racist, sexual, and inflammatory comments about slavery, liberals, and several other controversial topics. The officer, identified by our media partner the Wellsboro Gazette as Officer Brian Gossert, was in full uniform during the video and at one point has a man in the back of his patrol car while filming,” [link=https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/local-news/mansfield-borough-police-officer-under-fire-for-racist-disturbing-video-filmed-inside-police-car/]WETM-TV reported[/link] Thursday. ”
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/nyregion/nypd-police-protest-lawsuit.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…e-protest-lawsuit.html[/link]
[b]N.Y. Attorney General Sues N.Y.P.D. Over Protests and Demands Monitor[/b]
[b] [/b]Letitia James says the police have used illegal and harmful tactics for years, and wants a federal monitor to oversee the departments tactics at future demonstrations.
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Yeah they should use hugs and kisses to keep those criminals from running away next time.
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No, COVID did not “cure” police brutality.
WTF is wrong with police? Invariably they escalate the situation so that violence becomes the only solution & then justify their violence after throwing gasoline on the fire. Too often someone dies due to their incompetence and escalation. American civilians as American-Falluja Forever War.
Latest? Police find it necessary to mace a 9 y/o girl in her face who doesn’t trust them as she’s calling for her daddy. Wonder why she does not trust police?
[link=https://nypost.com/2021/01/31/video-shows-ny-cops-pepper-spray-9-year-old-girl/]https://nypost.com/2021/0…spray-9-year-old-girl/[/link]
And, of course the Police Union defends the officers’ actions because the girl didn’t “obey” as she is terrified.
[link=https://www.foxnews.com/us/rochester-police-union-president-defends-officers-seen-pepper-spraying-9-year-old-girl]https://www.foxnews.com/u…raying-9-year-old-girl[/link]
It is only about control, not help.
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Id agree. There might be different intent but the words dont play well.
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Personal safety is no. 1. See covid overreaction as proof.
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[link=https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/vp-nw-windsor-police-20210408-a4ynzlmqpjgq3a755hlgpk4qqe-story.html]2 Windsor police officers threatened and assaulted a man during an illegal stop, lawsuit claims. And its all on video.[/link]
Nazario repeatedly asked what was going on but got no response. Frightened and unsure what to do, he told the officers he was scared to get out.
[b]”The Army second lieutenant” … “was dressed in uniform”[/b]Gutierrez then responded, Yeah, you should be, the complaint said.
The officers then attempted to pull Nazario out of the vehicle. When the 27-year-old asked that they call a police supervisor, Gutierrez stepped back and pepper sprayed Nazario multiple times, the lawsuit says.
The chemical temporarily blinded Nazario and caused a burning sensation in his lungs, throat and skin. Nazarios dog was in a crate in the back and also started to choke.
Nazario got out of the vehicle and again asked for a supervisor. Gutierrez responded with knee-strikes to his legs, knocking him to the ground, the lawsuit says. The two officers struck him multiple times, then handcuffed and interrogated him, the complaint says.
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The next best part is the 2 cops threatening him with screwing with his military career if he reports the incident.
Yes, “defunding” the police is not the correct way to address police “misconduct.”
BTW, that seems a very innocuous and Milquetoast word considering all the stories that have come out and the level of “misconduct” and deaths at the hands of the police.
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The next best part is the 2 cops threatening him with screwing with his military career if he reports the incident.
[link=https://www.smithfieldtimes.com/2021/10/08/windsor-pd-nazario-settle-subpoena-fight/]https://www.smithfieldtim…settle-subpoena-fight/[/link]
[h2][b]Windsor PD, Nazario settle subpoena fight[/b][/h2]
Nazario is suing for $1 milion for 1st and 4th amendment civil rights violations.
Nazarios lawsuit is set for a March 28, 2022 trial.
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And the story of Michael Reinoehl who killed Aaron J. Danielson, the Patriot Prayer supporter who was killed by police in what police reported as “an exchange” of gunfire after Reinoehl allegedly fired on them first. Except his gun had a full clip and was in his pocket after death and several witnesses claim the police just shot first.
Execution Squad?
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/us/michael-reinoehl-killing-investigation.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…ing-investigation.html[/link]
While investigators found a spent bullet casing in the back seat of Mr. Reinoehls car, and pointed to that as evidence he probably fired his weapon, the handgun they recovered from Mr. Reinoehl had a full clip, according to multiple photos compiled by Thurston County authorities showing Mr. Reinoehls handgun. The gun was found in his pocket.
But one of the witnesses that Thurston County investigators relied on to reach their conclusion that Mr. Reinoehl had fired his gun was an 8-year-old boy. His father, Garrett Louis, who had rushed to his sons side at the time of the shooting, has consistently said he believed that officers opened fire first without shouting any warnings.
Mr. Louiss 8-year-old son told officers that Mr. Reinoehl was shooting at the agents. But when asked what kind of gun Mr. Reinoehl fired, he described it as big and two-handed, a description that did not match Mr. Reinoehls pocket-size handgun.
Of the two other witnesses who investigators cited to support the conclusion that Mr. Reinoehl fired his gun, one did not see it happen and the other was not sure.
James Oleole, a Pierce County sheriffs deputy in the passenger seat of Officer Merrills Ford Escape, said that as law enforcement vehicles pulled up and officers announced themselves, Mr. Reinoehl was in the drivers seat of his Jetta and made moves with his arms consistent with the moves that someone makes when they are attempting to grab a gun they have on their person.
“What’s in your wallet?”
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[link=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/04/11/bca-reporting-to-officer-involved-shooting-in-brooklyn-center/]https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/04/11/bca-reporting-to-officer-involved-shooting-in-brooklyn-cnter/[/link]
[b]Protesters Clash With Police In Brooklyn Center (Minnesota) After Deadly Officer-Involved Shooting[/b]
[b] [/b]Brooklyn Center police said officers pulled over a driver whom they said had an outstanding arrest warrant just before 2 p.m. on the 6300 block of Orchard Avenue. As officers were trying to arrest the driver, police say they tried to get back inside their vehicle. An officer then shot the driver, who then drove a couple blocks more before hitting another vehicle in the area of 63rd Avenue North and Kathrene Drive. No one in that second vehicle was hurt.
The driver was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say the officers involved were believed to be wearing activated body cameras at the time of the shooting.
Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliot issues an overnight statement. He called the shooting of Daunte Wright a tragedy, and said the city supports peaceful protests. The mayor said the city is awaiting information from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is investigating the shooting.
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Would it be a good idea if they made camera footage available quickly. I would supposed they have at least dash camera footage to show probably cause to why they shot him.
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Defense in the Chauvin case asked to sequester the jury due to ongoing violence …motion denied.
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Would it be a good idea if they made camera footage available quickly. I would supposed they have at least dash camera footage to show probably cause to why they shot him.
Minnesota police say the shooting of Daunte Wright, a Black man killed by police during a traffic stop, was an “accidental discharge.” Brooklyn Center police say the officer “had the intention to deploy their taser” but shot him. The officer is on admin leave.
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at least they came out and said something. Whoopsie Daisy.
Edit: Video is released. It’s hard to tell what is going on but it looks like a struggle. The cop on the left has the gun and looks like he does the shooting. I kind of err towards the side of the cop here. You get into a struggle and I could understand thinking the guy was going for a weapon. It looks like the escalation came from the guy driving the car.
[link=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/5482558-graphic-content-bodycam-footage-in-fatal-brooklyn-center-officer-involved-shooting/]https://minnesota.cbsloca…cer-involved-shooting/[/link]-
The police are taught “command and control” regardless of every and any extenuating circumstance, the subject is deaf, the subject is mentally ill, the subject is confused, etc, too often leading to deaths of the subject. The question is where are the police responsible for their own command and control of their own actions and emotions? Every interaction with the public even with people of color is not immediately Falluja where civilians are the enemy who will kill you, not may but will, if you hesitate. The civilians’ actions are all irrelevant outside of obeying.
And with all this fear police have of civilians, particularly it seems civilians of color, fatal mistakes are the faults of the civilians.
Is this policing or military occupation? What do we want as Americans? What responsibility do we expect from out police? A simple traffic stop can become fatal to you?
So far police are not held responsible or accountable for the deaths of civilians regardless of most anything, the trial of Derek Chauvin notwithstanding as his trail is not over.
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Curious, why was he put in cuffs? Why the drawn guns?
An air freshener on his mirror? Expired registration? What was the GD misdemeanor no one is explaining.
I’ve had air freshener on my mirror in the past, never worried about being handcuffed for that.
I’ve known people with expired registrations. With 1 exception (she was Black & had her car towed, I was passenger but no guns or handcuffs). Every other time maybe a ticket, usually a warning to register the car.
A misdemeanor covers a lot of territory but it’s still a misdemeanor. But that all seems after the fact after the shooting.
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A warrant’s a warrant. If you’re pulled over with an active warrant you go to jail. I think there’s a fair argument that this traffic type of stuff could probably have just been handled through mail. In this case it looks like they sent him summons to appear which was returned in the mail. Then they issued a warrant for him. I only saw the one video but it seemed like he jumped back into the car. Why’d he do that if they were trying to arrest him? I think you can what if some of this stuff all day. What if he just paid for his plates like you’re supposed to when you own a car?
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Is a warrant in any and all cases cause for guns drawn and/or being Tasered?
And what exactly was the warrant for? Seems a mystery as I can’t find anything except mention of “a warrant.” A parking violation unpaid for some time? Curfew violation? What? What justifies getting shot? An air freshener was the reason for a stop? Then they discovered an elapsed registration? Then a warrant?
Seems an escalating series of discoveries leading to him being shot.
As for jumping in his car, fear for his life? Proven fear since he is now dead by cop. How many cases of people being shot for running even though the present no danger to the public nor is the infraction that started things a public danger?
I do not think I would run if a cop put a gun barrel in my face for an air freshener but I would certainly wonder WTF ARE YOU DOING??? about the cops.
No, command and control is not enough of an excuse. I am a free American and I have rights that are not erased just because a cop does not like my air freshener.
What was the misdemeanor he was being arrested and killed for? It was a misdemeanor not a death sentence. Not obeying should not be a death sentence for anyone. This is not Syria.-
I am thinking that most all cops should have no access to guns at all, maybe a Taser. The only ones with guns should be those with strict training.
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Frumi – you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever worked the streets? Have you ever been involved in front line first responder calls? Did you see the dash cam video of the cop in NM that did a traffic stop and the driver stepped out pulled a rifle and killed the cop. This is what they face. We are all responsible for our actions. The 20 yo killed is and so is the cop. The bottom line is almost every one of these police shootings whether justified or not justified is the failure of someone to comply. Perhaps you libs instead of trying to teach kids that everything is racist should teach the kids about complying. That would save a lot of these lives.
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None of that explains why a 20 y/o is shot by police over being stopped for an air freshener which became expired registration which became a misdemeanor warrant. The 20 y/o in question was unarmed with passengers in the car.
So can you explain how that NM cop explains an unarmed 20 y/o shot in Minn? You mean all civilians should be viewed by police as potential murderers and police should act accordingly and always assume I and everyone is armed and dangerous.
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i think for cop some of this is a numbers game
ie even if 99 percent sure person doesnt mean harm after 70 interactions with this assessment and you have even odds of running into someone who does mean harm ie 0.99 to 70th power
also i guess some people when scared would just comply
when does jumping in the back seat provide protection? maybe from a wild animal but a cop can find you there
also some of this might be self fulfilling prophecy ie make everyone think cops are a menace, populous assumes that the interaction is risky and they lose their senses as their adrenaline surges
as an aside i think a lot of proposed law re george floyd sounds good to me – however , ihave lot of respect for what cops are up against-
I have a lot of respect for good police. But the news shows too many police incidents that mean death for unarmed civilians. Chauvin in only on trial because his demeanor while killing Floyd, he basically did not give a crap & showed the crowd exactly that. & none of the cops around him could bring themselves to stop him. And the civilians would run the risk of being “justifiably” arrested or killed if they tried to physically stop Chauvin from murdering Floyd in broad daylight in front of many witnesses including other police. And this other kid in Minn dies over a traffic stop for an air freshener?
WTF is wrong with police that all these killings occur & other police protect the killers behind that Blue Wall? That makes them complicit, no?
To me the most disturbing is how police can kill unarmed civilians with no consequences and accountability and no one can seem to bring accountability in all these years. The Trial of Chauvin might be an exception but how much of an exception would it be? And the trial is not yet over. I would not be surprised to hear another OJ jury verdict for the police who always seem to find the victim guilty of their own death.
Is this the police we want in America?
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Is a warrant in any and all cases cause for guns drawn and/or being Tasered?
And what exactly was the warrant for? Seems a mystery as I can’t find anything except mention of “a warrant.” A parking violation unpaid for some time? Curfew violation? What? What justifies getting shot? An air freshener was the reason for a stop? Then they discovered an elapsed registration? Then a warrant?
Seems an escalating series of discoveries leading to him being shot.
As for jumping in his car, fear for his life? Proven fear since he is now dead by cop. How many cases of people being shot for running even though the present no danger to the public nor is the infraction that started things a public danger?
I do not think I would run if a cop put a gun barrel in my face for an air freshener but I would certainly wonder WTF ARE YOU DOING??? about the cops.
No, command and control is not enough of an excuse. I am a free American and I have rights that are not erased just because a cop does not like my air freshener.
What was the misdemeanor he was being arrested and killed for? It was a misdemeanor not a death sentence. Not obeying should not be a death sentence for anyone. This is not Syria.
supposedly it’s for this case in MN courts 27-CR-21-4400 which was carrying a pistol without a permit and he failed to appear. The warrant was issued. So the cops had reason to pull him over for expired tags and when running plates/drivers license they find out he has a warrant. I’m not sure if you watched the video I don’t see anything wrong with what the police were doing. The seemed to calmly try and cuff him. He starts to resist and jumps back in the car. Lady copy shots him while you hear someone yelling taser, taser. I do think she probably meant to tase him and shot him. I’m not sure what that says about her. I sure don’t think the cops escalated this. No one is saying anything about airfresherners except his mom and maybe he was BS’ing his mom. He had a warrant out for him and he could’ve just let them arrest him. I think it’s fair for to comply with the police if you’re being arrested.
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The other warrant was for fleeing from police. So so we have these arm chair police experts posting from their homes and I would ask anyone if you were the cop what would go through your mind. You have this suspect driving an unregistered car. You run a check and it comes back two warrants one for fleeing the other for carrying an unregistered gun. As you attempt to cuff him he resists and jumps in the car. What runs through your mind? What is he doing? Does he have the gun? Is he fleeing and will the car hit me? The so called experts on here think they could do it all better. Most of them put in that situation would p*ss themselves.
The cop was wrong and should be and will be charged. The kid was wrong for not complying. His resistance changed both their lives forever. Had he listened, he would be alive and she would not be facing the most difficult thing in her life.-
I do not know what the use of force guidelines are for the department in question, but *many* local police departments choose to mirror federal guidelines on using deadly force when a suspect flees … which is a standard of significant threat of harm or death to the officers or others.
But if the officer was attempting to use non-lethal force via the taser, as all evidence seems to suggest, then she was very likely justified in her actions … she just made a horrible mistake.
It will be up to investigators and possibly a jury, to determine if that horrible mistake was negligence and justifies charging involuntary manslaughter.
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Groundhog Day. These police killings feel like Groundhog Day. Same event, same reason, subject did not comply sufficiently.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-stuck-in-a-loop-of-death-until-we-address-policing-this-netflix-short-showcases-that/2021/04/13/6f63167c-9c7f-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-stuck-in-a-loop-of-death-until-we-address-policing-this-netflix-short-showcases-that/2021/04/13/6f63167c-9c7f-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html[/link]-
Officer Kim Potter will be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter for the killing of Daunte Wright. Maximum penalty is 10 years.
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Officer Kim Potter will be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter for the killing of Daunte Wright. Maximum penalty is 10 years.
Its not the first time that someone inadvertently used the wrong tool.
The police claim that the availability of those ‘less than lethal’ tools has reduced the number of uses of deadly force, watching the videos of interactions gone wrong, I sometimes wonder whether that is true. Often the interactions seem to escalate quickly through the various LTL options, usually when the Taser or mace fails to affect the person they are dealing with. Sometimes I wonder whether having cops with the physical fitness and martial arts skills to physically control a subject would in the end be the safer option.
I doubt manslaughter will stick. Seems a hasty charging decision designed to placate the locals.
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I was listening to some talk radio last night. Sounds like there is an almost identical case out there … no charges filed, officer wasn’t even dismissed.
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I was listening to some talk radio last night. Sounds like there is an almost identical case out there … no charges filed, officer wasn’t even dismissed.
If I make a mistake in my professional practice and kill a patient, I wouldn’t want to be dismissed or jailed for it either.
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New racism described by left.
Math is racist
Misprouncing a name is racist.
Piers Morgan is racist for stating his opinion that Meghan Markle was lying.
Sharon Osborne is racist for saying that she didn’t think Piers Morgan was racist.
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I was listening to some talk radio last night. Sounds like there is an almost identical case out there … no charges filed, officer wasn’t even dismissed.
If I make a mistake in my professional practice and kill a patient, I wouldn’t want to be dismissed or jailed for it either.
Not quite the same thing. & that would be quite a reading mistake indeed to be equivalent to recent deaths caused by Chauvin or Potter for 2 examples.
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Not quite the same thing. & that would be quite a reading mistake indeed to be equivalent to recent deaths caused by Chauvin or Potter for 2 examples.
You can’t lump what Chauvin and Potter did into one. Chauvins actions were not a mistake, they happened over an extended time and were so wrong that even a dispatcher watching a remote video of the scene knew that what he was doing is wrong and called his supervisor. Potter obviously intended to draw her Taser to deal with someone she had to arrest. She announced ‘Taser, Taser’ [u]before[/u] firing. Not even a wrong decision on her part, she just grabbed the wrong tool for the correct job.
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Not quite the same thing. & that would be quite a reading mistake indeed to be equivalent to recent deaths caused by Chauvin or Potter for 2 examples.
You can’t lump what Chauvin and Potter did into one. Chauvins actions were not a mistake, they happened over an extended time and were so wrong that even a dispatcher watching a remote video of the scene knew that what he was doing is wrong and called his supervisor. Potter obviously intended to draw her Taser to deal with someone she had to arrest. She announced ‘Taser, Taser’ [u]before[/u] firing. Not even a wrong decision on her part, she just grabbed the wrong tool for the correct job.
Agree.
To put in radiology terms: Potter is like doing an embolization of a tumor n the neck and you somehow embolize the entire carotid artery instead and the patient dies.
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Chauvins actions were certainly very visibly egregious but hes not been convicted yet.
Potters actions are like administering a patient the wrong treatment or medication that kills the patient. Saying I didnt mean to do that has not always protected them from prosecution even if they are finally acquitted.
And usually the patient is not blamed for their own demise for whatever reason.
No, I was not making a definite & direct equivalent comparison between Chauvin & Potter to physicians and nurses actions. Nor am I making a direct equivalency between a patient & someone being arrested because physicians & nurses are also never deciding when to use lethal force or escalating a situation into lethality. Command and control in healthcare does not often result in a violent death for patients.
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Officer Kim Potter will be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter for the killing of Daunte Wright. Maximum penalty is 10 years.
Its not the first time that someone inadvertently used the wrong tool.
The police claim that the availability of those ‘less than lethal’ tools has reduced the number of uses of deadly force, watching the videos of interactions gone wrong, I sometimes wonder whether that is true. Often the interactions seem to escalate quickly through the various LTL options, usually when the Taser or mace fails to affect the person they are dealing with. Sometimes I wonder whether having cops with the physical fitness and martial arts skills to physically control a subject would in the end be the safer option.
I doubt manslaughter will stick. Seems a hasty charging decision designed to placate the locals.
[link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/23/kim-potter-trial-verdict/8970079002/]https://www.usatoday.com/…al-verdict/8970079002/[/link]
Former police officer Kim Potter found guilty of manslaughter in Daunte Wright’s death[/h1]
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Former police officer Kim Potter found guilty of manslaughter in Daunte Wright’s death[/h1]
Yeah, you don’t want deliberations to run into holiday shopping. Sucky deal for her.
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The next best part is the 2 cops threatening him with screwing with his military career if he reports the incident.
[link=https://www.smithfieldtimes.com/2021/10/08/windsor-pd-nazario-settle-subpoena-fight/]https://www.smithfieldtim…settle-subpoena-fight/[/link]
[h2][b]Windsor PD, Nazario settle subpoena fight[/b][/h2]
Nazario is suing for $1 milion for 1st and 4th amendment civil rights violations.Nazarios lawsuit is set for a March 28, 2022 trial.
[link=https://thehill.com/policy/technology/technology/587759-virginia-ag-sues-town-where-army-officer-was-pepper-sprayed]Virginia AG sues town where Army officer was pepper sprayed during traffic stop[/link]
Herring filed the lawsuit against Windsor after his office conducted a 14-month investigation into data that revealed Black drivers made up nearly 42 percent of traffic stops conducted by the city’s police, [link=https://www.pilotonline.com/government/virginia/vp-nw-ag-sues-windsor-police-20211230-njhxznuombbf5eim5tosk5qlym-story.html]according to The Virginian-Pilot[/link].
While our investigation was spurred by the egregious treatment against Lt. Nazario that we all saw in bodycam footage, we discovered that this incident was indicative of much larger problems within the department, Herring reportedly said in a press release issued Thursday.
Our months-long investigation uncovered huge disparities in enforcement against African American drivers, and a troubling lack of policies and procedures to prevent discriminatory or unconstitutional policing. We even discovered evidence that officers were actually being trained to go fishing and engage in pretextual stops.
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Just hypothetically, do you think theres a difference between grabbing the wrong weapon and hitting someone with your car when you’re not looking?
I always thought car manslaughter sentences were light.
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Happy w manslaughter conviction but don’t see point of prison. She’s not Chauvin. Although the state requires serving some time as I understand it.
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Bringing an assault weapon indoors to shoot someone with a bicycle lock.
We need more policing and less warriors in a war zone.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/27/lapd-shooting-footage/]https://www.washingtonpos…lapd-shooting-footage/[/link]
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Officer Kim Potter to be charged w 2nd degree manslaughter.
Good. Need some accountability fir needless killing for a change. Of course, jury might do an OJ Redux & acquit regardless of everything. Which is still possible for Chauvin too.
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Yes you assume everyone is a potential threat regardless. You have no police training do you? Have you ever worked the streets? Until you have gone through the training and worked the streets stop your incoherent posting on something you have no credible knowledge.
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Happy you’ve had training. That does not entitle you to be smug as if you have a secret.
I have lived and worked in some very bad neighborhoods so I doubt you have any secrets that are only learned in police training. Somehow I’ve never had to shoot anyone. go figure.
Perhaps the police should comply with civilized behavior. Perhaps there should not be a Blue Wall to protect bad cops, the bad rubs off when you protect a bad cop. America has a long history of bad and corrupt policing. There is no excuse for bad cops.
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News flash, if an organization practices a form of omertà & protects its members from accountability, it is not an organization that is there for the public good.
Get rid of bad policing and cops.
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And while you are at it get of all radiology misses
Double read everythingAnd bad teachers too
Maybe use only phds
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Senator Tim Scott introduced a police reform bill that was rejected by Democrats. The bill was not perfect as argued by the democrats but was an attempt to address some of the problems. Just imagine….if Tim Scott was a Democrat he would be a hero for addressing police reform.
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Senator Tim Scott introduced a police reform bill that was rejected by Democrats. The bill was not perfect as argued by the democrats but was an attempt to address some of the problems. Just imagine….if Tim Scott was a Democrat he would be a hero for addressing police reform.
Yeah. And at the very same time the House had already passed police reform legislation.
And shockingly (**sarcasm alert **) Mitch McConnell prevented that legislation from being debated on the floor and gave Senate democrats the option of voting for Tim Scott’s sh*tty, milquetoast, mostly-window-dressing-barely-better-than-nothing reforms or blocking until they held both chambers.
I totally agree with the Dem Senate decision to not provide cover for Republican legislators by letting them pass a nearly worthless bill and then campaigning on how they passed reform.
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Ok so the Tim Scott bill is worse than doing nothing?
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Yes. Saying window dressing addresses the issue is worse than nothing because it is just wondow dressing.
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Ok. Tim Scott is a black American who you feel very comfortable canceling. If a black Democrat presented the same legislation would you be so quick to dismiss. Don’t worry I don’t expect you to be honest.
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Cancelling?
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What’s weird is how you easily ignore/oppose all opinions/thoughts of black conservatives. Like you know what is better for us black people. Talk about white supremacy….
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A black democrat would never have proposed such an obviously bullsh*t reform bill meant to do nothing more than take the heat off of Republican congressmen and law enforcement officials who want to pretend they’ve been reformed.
Scott’s bill would have left reforms up to state and local governments…. which is a recipe for disaster given that local PDs are filled to the brim with racist, recalcitrant dumbf*cks.
Scott’s bill would not have created a federal misconduct registry.
It did not ban choke holds.
It did not block no-knock warrants.
Critically, it did not address qualified immunity.
Sure, Scott’s bill had some money for body cameras and made lynching a federal crime. But be clear … it was bill meant to provide political cover. It was meant to do any of truly hard work of system law enforcement reform.
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weak attempt at trying the race card.
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weak attempt at trying the race card.
Yep.
The people who are critical of Republicans are the *real* white supremacists [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]-
The race card? You must be kidding me. You want to
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To put in radiology terms: Potter is like doing an embolization of a tumor n the neck and you somehow embolize the entire carotid artery instead and the patient dies.
Closer to your example, I recall a patient with an AVM that was being repaired in IR using acrylic glue. Unfortunately in this case the catheter became glued to the vessel. I recall the patient not surviving.
No one was prosecuted. For good reason. The procedure is risky in itself and the intent was to help the patient, not forcibly place them in custody one way or the other.
We have too many examples of police making forced errors or actual decisions to use lethal force that result in the unnecessary deaths of the person who the police are commanding and controlling. Potter’s is only the latest forced error made in escalation and panic(?) that kills over misdemeanors or even when no infraction exists other than in the panicked mind of the police. We’ve discussed umpteen examples in umpteen posts in the past here on AM of highly questionable deaths over toy guns or a child “looking dangerous” in their Facebook posts or just being shot in the back running away from a minor traffic infraction justifying their deaths.
When someone is killed there needs to be an investigation, and explanation and remedy, not just sweep it under the rug routinely blaming the victim for not complying, end of questions.-
crime of omission vs commission.
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Chauvin declines to testify.
But we did learn yesterday that Floyd might have actually died of CO poisoning!
We also need to look at the position of the moon, stars and planets while we’re at it to show their effect on Floyd’s death. Let’s leave nothing out.
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Pat Robertson throwing Potter under the bus???
Why???
[link=https://www.businessinsider.com/televangelist-pat-robertson-says-no-comparison-between-taser-gun-2021-4]https://www.businessinsid…tween-taser-gun-2021-4[/link]
Right-wing televangelist Pat Robertson on Thursday derided former Brooklyn Center police officer Kimberly Potter, on his show “The 700 Club,” for allegedly confusing her gun for a Taser.
“Now how she made the difference, when she shot that poor guy to death, saying this is what I thought was my Taser,” Robertson said. He held a plastic handgun, as well as a replica Taser to show the difference. “And if you can’t tell the difference in the feel of those things, it’s crazy!”
“They do a good job, but if they don’t stop this onslaught, they cannot do this,” he exclaimed.
“And the police, why don’t they open their eyes to what the public relations are, they’ve got to stop this stuff!” he said during the show.
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[h3][link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/16/us/adam-toledo-chicago-police-shooting.html]What to Know About the Chicago Police Shooting of 13-Year old Adam Toledo[/link][/h3] [b]Body camera footage showed that a Chicago officer fired a single shot into the boys chest after chasing him down a dark alley.[/b]
In the early-morning hours of March 29, two officers had been responding to reports of gunfire when they saw two people in an alley and started to chase them, officials said. Prosecutors have said that Adam was holding a gun when he ran down the alley as an officer called for him to stop and drop the weapon.
In the moment before the shooting, Adam can be seen holding what appears to be a gun behind his back, which he drops behind a wooden fence just before he raises his hands, according to an analysis of the police videos by The New York Times.
In one of the videos, the officer yelled at him to stop. Stop right now! the officer screams while cursing, telling him to drop his gun. Hands. Show me your hands. Drop it. Drop it.
As Adam turned and lifted his hands, the officer opened fire, striking him once in the chest. The officer can be seen administering CPR on Adam and telling him to stay with me as blood poured out of his mouth.[/QUOTE]
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/548677-ocasio-cortez-says-chicago-prosecutor-lied-in-adam-toledo-killing]Ocasio-Cortez says Chicago prosecutor ‘lied’ in Adam Toledo killing
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A Chicago prosecutor “lied” by stating that 13-year-old Adam Toledo had a gun in his hand when he was shot by police in Chicago, Rep. [link=https://thehill.com/people/alexandria-ocasio-cortez]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez[/link] said in a tweet on Thursday.
The New York Democrat said it wasn’t an error by a prosecutor, but an untruth. Chicago officials have said the remark made over the weekend was an error.
The prosecutor did not make an error. He lied. He lied about the police killing a child, Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. Ending this isnt just about consequences for who pulls the trigger. Its about admitting to and confronting an entire system that exists to protect, defend, and cover up state violence.
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Daunte Wright was being arrested on a firearms charge (handgun on person wo permit) when he was accidentally shot.
The left needs to make up their minds. Either you want to follow Betos lead and have the stormtroopers pick up all the guns you are afraid of, or you don’t. If you do, just be aware that it may be a bit bloody.
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Arrested is or should not be the same as killed. And the charge is still categorized as a misdemeanor, not an “armed and dangerous” arrest.
The “stormtrooper” mentality by police first should not be allowed in our country. This is America, not Amerika & our government is not Fascism. So I have zero issues for arresting him for an unlawful possession, misdemeanor or felony.
First, this has zero to do with Beto’s statement against assault-“style” weapons. His quote, Hell, yes, were going to take your AR-15, your AK-47. Were not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore. It was never “confiscate ALL guns.”
Second, it is the Right who have to decide about their beliefs that everything would be better if everyone was armed and that government has no right to regulate 2nd Amendment rights of ownership and possession.
Wright was killed over a misdemeanor and while resisting was not presenting an armed danger to anyone especially the police. There was no gun in the car, visible or otherwise.-
Yeah. For me here the question is “what level of use of force is appropriate to complete an arrest on a misdemeanor charge when the suspect flees or does not comply?”
We know that lethal force is deemed inappropriate. Is non-lethal but non-zero risk tasering appropriate? What is the department guideline? What should the guideline be?
I reject the postulated binary above. A person can be in favor of gun control broadly and not believe that it is appropriate to shoot someone fleeing police on a misdemeanor gun charge.
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It is impossible to not be angry and wonder WTF is wrong with policing in America these days? Just out in the open while we were all ignorant of the real past? Or?
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/opinion/us-police-killings.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…s-police-killings.html[/link]
These killings often happen during the day and in public, not under the cover of night, tucked away in some back wood. And they are often caught on video. [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/us/boy-12-dies-after-being-shot-by-cleveland-police-officer.html]Tamir Rice[/link] was killed during the day. There was video. [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/us/cellphone-video-of-michael-slager-shooting-walter-scott-is-seen-as-a-path-to-justice.html]Walter Scott[/link] was killed during the day. There was video. [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/nyregion/eric-garner-police-chokehold-staten-island.html]Eric Garner[/link] was killed during the day. There was video.
Very little has changed. The aftermath of these killings has become a pattern, a ritual, that produces its own normalizing and desensitizing effects. We can now anticipate the explosions of rage as well and the relative intransigence of the political system in response.
That is not to say that absolutely nothing has changed, but rather that the changes amount to tinkering, when in fact our whole system of policing must be re-evaluated and fundamentally altered.
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Let’s use a real “black and white” example of how policing occurs for arrests of some people with guns. Exhibit A is Dylann Storm Roof, an “armed and dangerous” example if ever there was one. Alive, not Taser & brought by police to McD’s for a burger & fries. Who paid I wonder?
Then go back 3 decades to the Oklahoma bombing and the separate arrests of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Both arrested alive even though they just murdered 168 people and injured 680.
Here are real and armed murderers and they were alive after arrest. If the Minneapolis just offered Daunte Wright a McD’s burger maybe he’d be alive today and arrested peaceably. But no, Dylann Roof gets a burger.
[link=https://www.police1.com/terrorism/articles/police-history-how-trooper-charlie-hanger-caught-the-oklahoma-city-bomber-TOwns4jqYYH4Acet/]https://www.police1.com/t…mber-TOwns4jqYYH4Acet/[/link]
A short time later, Charlie passed a yellow Mercury missing a registration tag. Charlie slowed to let the driver of the Mercury get ahead of him. As he did, Charlie hit his overhead lights to begin the vehicle stop.
When Charlie asked for the suspects drivers license, the suspect reached for it. This movement alerted Hanger to the outline of a weapon impressed under the suspect’s jacket. During a verbal exchange, the suspect now known to be Timothy McVeigh admitted to having a weapon and said it was loaded.
Charlie had drawn his own weapon, and as he covered the suspect he replied, So is mine.
Charlie handcuffed McVeigh and discovered he had a .45 caliber Glock loaded with the devastating Black Talon rounds. McVeigh carried his Glock in a quick-draw suicide holster. Charlies search also revealed McVeigh had a spare magazine and a knife hidden on his person.
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You mentioned McVeigh. He was pulled over because of the lack of a registration tag similar to the initial stop on Wright. The difference here is that McVeigh cooperated. He was out of the car and did not resist. When he went for his license the officer noticed the outline of what appeared to be a gun. McVeigh in a dialogue w the officer admitted he had a gun.
As for Wright not having a weapon. He did. His car.
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Yeah. For me here the question is “what level of use of force is appropriate to complete an arrest on a misdemeanor charge when the suspect flees or does not comply?”
That’s really the question. Do we want the law to be enforced or not. Do we want enforce the rules that cars need to be insured, have working headlights and that drunks stay on their side of the centerline or not. And if someone fights the cops and runs, do we want the police just back away and say [i]’ok, got me, you I’ll catch you some other day'[/i]. The experience from places like Baltimore where the police and courts have effectively ceased to enforce the law suggest that this isn’t a viable option either.I reject the postulated binary above. A person can be in favor of gun control broadly and not believe that it is appropriate to shoot someone fleeing police on a misdemeanor gun charge.
It would also not be appropriate to misrepresent the facts to suggest that this man was ‘shot for fleeing police’. He was accidentally shot when the officer tried to apprehend him using nonlethal means. It is already established that the circumstances under which someone can be shot for fleeing are very narrow (fleeing convicted prisoner, known felon, ongoing risk to community etc.).
And of course, you reject that binary. That’s because you dont [u]want[/u] to think about what level of violence you are advocating for if the Bettos of this world get their way.
Now in libertarian wonderland, this encounter would have never happened. Mr Wright would have been free to conduct his marijuana sales without interference by the police and in a ‘constitutional carry’ environment, he would have never received the firearms charge that prompted the warrant. So he wouldn’t have had any reason to run when the cops pulled him over for the expired tags. He could have gotten a ticket, gone down to the DMV, renewed his tags and asked the admin judge for leniency.-
Why do people still post he had misdemeanor charges and question was it enough for police to stop him? Wright was facing first degree robbery (a felony) charges from December 2019. He held a women at gunpoint, threatened to shoot her, and choked her in attempt to take her rent money $820. He was a no show for court, never met w probation officer.
This may explain why he resisted and attempted to run. He was looking at a 20 year maximum sentence. Had he not attempted to flee the kid would be alive.
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The outstanding warrant that the police were using …
[link=https://www.insider.com/daunte-wright-details-of-charges-warrants-before-killed-by-police-2021-4]https://www.insider.com/d…illed-by-police-2021-4[/link]
But yes, there were prior felony charges for which he had posted bail. His bail was revoked because of the gun charge … a misdemeanor.
But regardless, the question remains as to how much use of force we want to grant the police to utilize under various level of threat and criminality.
It is clear that lethal use of force was not justified. But the officer, at least by the evidence thus far, was not attempting to use lethal force… it was non-lethal tasing…. gone horribly wrong perhaps through negligence or perhaps through an honest non-negligent mistake.
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The outstanding warrant that the police were using …
[link=https://www.insider.com/daunte-wright-details-of-charges-warrants-before-killed-by-police-2021-4]https://www.insider.com/d…illed-by-police-2021-4[/link]
But yes, there were prior felony charges for which he had posted bail. His bail was revoked because of the gun charge … a misdemeanor.
But regardless, the question remains as to how much use of force we want to grant the police to utilize under various level of threat and criminality.
It is clear that lethal use of force was not justified. But the officer, at least by the evidence thus far, was not attempting to use lethal force… it was non-lethal tasing…. gone horribly wrong perhaps through negligence or perhaps through an honest non-negligent mistake.
You really need to find better heroes for the movement. This one is no good.
The only reason he was not a ‘felon in possession’ on the most recent charge is that the courts are slow as molasses dealing with violent criminals like him. He shouldn’t have been on the street but in the Pen serving a lengthy sentence on the aggravated robbery (or a free man with his gun rights restored if there was nothing to the agg robbery).
Didn’t notice the first time I watched the video. Three cops and the guy managed to get back into the drivers seat. He should have been physically restrained against the trunk of his car the moment it was clear that he had a warrant. Doesn’t look so pretty but is ultimately safer for the everyone involved.
Same thing with the Kenosha shooting of Mr Blake. With all the cops there, he should have never been allowed to get up and get access to his knife.
Our cops are not so much racist as they are marginally competent.
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You really need to find better heroes for the movement. This one is no good.
Yes, true, these people are no one’s idea of a hero. But democracy like Christianity is measured not by or whether it inconveniences the powerful, the affluent, the “important.” They are measured by “the least of us” and how they are treated.
The question is whether you would expect to be treated like they are. How relevant is it that you were not compliant when “compliance” is an open definition and only defined by the police, not you. You are stopped & you ask why. You are told – at gunpoint perhaps, you’ll be told when you get out of the car like that 2nd Lt was in VA.
Is he hero enough? OK, he was not killed. Lucky for him. But was he “compliant?” OK, you did not get out of the car when you asked why so you get Maced. lucky you were not shot for non-compliance and “resisting.”
It does not matter that a person might be scum, the police cannot assume everyone is scum and deserves to be wiped. People, even the scum among us have rights that the police cannot override ever, regardless of everything. Police are given the right by the citizenry and have to treat the citizenry responsibly as they have rights and police have no extra-Constitutional rights that supersede the Constitution and people’s Constitutional rights. Regardless if the “prep” is scum or a police victim as was the 2nd Lt.-
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Yes, true, these people are no one’s idea of a hero. But democracy like Christianity is measured not by or whether it inconveniences the powerful, the affluent, the “important.” They are measured by “the least of us” and how they are treated.
He was being treated just fine.
He allegedly committed an armed robbery, yet the justice system saw it fit to release him on bond.
He then blew the conditions of his bond, but rather than keeping him locked up, the justice system was again nice enough to release him.
He was caught with a gun, ran from the police, was NOT shot and again let go.
Third time is the charm I guess. He was again being treated in a entirely appropriate manner by the police pulling him over for an expired tag. When it was clear that he had a warrant, the cops didn’t drag him out of the car and dogpiled on him, no he received the entirely appropriate treatment by being cuffed for transport.
Things went haywire when the rookie cop couldn’t physically control him and the training officer accidently shot him rather than tazing him.
But he drove all of these events. Everything could have stopped had he done what is required. Until the cops mistake to not switch to the taser, it was all Mr Wrights doing.
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De-escalation missing is a large part of the problem. If you want something escalated, call the police seems to be the MO is all these cases.
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He was being treated just fine.
He was alive & now he’s dead over a misdemeanor, period.Quote from fw
He allegedly committed an armed robbery, yet the justice system saw it fit to release him on bond.
He then blew the conditions of his bond, but rather than keeping him locked up, the justice system was again nice enough to release him.
He was caught with a gun, ran from the police, was NOT shot and again let go.
Third time is the charm I guess. He was again being treated in a entirely appropriate manner by the police pulling him over for an expired tag. When it was clear that he had a warrant, the cops didn’t drag him out of the car and dogpiled on him, no he received the entirely appropriate treatment by being cuffed for transport.
Things went haywire when the rookie cop couldn’t physically control him and the training officer accidently shot him rather than tazing him.Police are having a lot of accidents lately. Sean Bell was accidently shot too as was Castile and sooooo many others, sometimes accidentally shot in the back.
Way too many accidents. Borderline incompetent? You were right about policing in that regard.Quote from fw
But he drove all of these events. Everything could have stopped had he done what is required. Until the cops mistake to not switch to the taser, it was all Mr Wrights doing.And there is the problem, yes, arresting him & even Tasering him was not unreasonable. Except it was not a Taser. The Taser is worn on the non-dominant side so as not to confuse as gun vs a Taser. And the feel? And the look? All different. Oops.
And now the victim, post-mortem again is on trial for capital punishment over a misdemeanor.
As for, “If he only did what he was told…” is a blaring fiction as too many news events have proven over and over. Like U.S. Army 2nd Lt. Caron Nazario. where was his crime? OK, the police were just playing with him and only maced him not shot him.
Lucky 2nd Lt. Caron Nazario.
So we have a mix of deadly incompetence or panicky police or with 2nd Lt. Caron Nazario, predators.
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And Roof also “cooperated.” Over a misdemeanor multiple murder. McVeigh and Roof both armed while Wright was not armed.
Yeah. Makes perfect sense.
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Police did draw their weapons on Roof and he did comply. Your claim of police taking Roof to McDonalds is also wrong. It was Burger King and he was not taken the food was sent for. Who paid? The taxpayers.
As for the food the concern by police was that it was such a high profile case the police did not want any claim of rights violation affecting their case. One claim used against police is withholding food and water. At the time of his arrest Roof had not eaten for days.
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WHEW! Strong case you’re making. Now we all understand the difference between Wright’s death and Roof’s getting a burger.
From Burger King. Not McD’s.
Roof, a cold-blooded murderer of 9 people “complied” while unarmed Wright posed a danger to no one was killed over a misdemeanor.
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Another shooting? This time in Austin Tx?
I’m missing the rationale that if everyone is armed we’d have less violence? When did America become more dangerous than the mythical Wild West?
How many mass shootings have we had the past couple of weeks?
Although, good thing to know every shooters’ guns were legally purchased so their gun rights were never at risk.
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