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CNN reporting on document detailing Trumps campaign’s colloboration with Russian operative
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Max Boot in Foreign Policy this week. Article is titled “Trump is Guilty” [align=left]
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There were at least 19 face-to-face interactions with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures. There were at least 51 communications meetings, phone calls, email exchanges and more. If the Trumpites and the Putinites werent communicating about how to subvert Democratic nominee Hillary Clintons campaign, what were they talking about? Their favorite brands of vodka? And if there was an innocent explanation for all of these contacts, why is it that everyone in the Trump campaign, from the president on down, has lied and lied and lied about them? Those are the damning questions that no Trump defender can answer. -
Politifact names Trump claim that Russian election interference is ‘made-up’ as ‘Lie of the Year’
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I don’t envy the person that had to swift through all the lies to get down to one lie of the year. That’s a lot of work.
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Amazing they were able to single out just 1.
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So now it’s not the incriminating emails are false or faked, they were “stolen” by Mueller. And yet the emails actually stolen form the DNC, etc are fine.
[b] [/b][b]If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell. -[/b][b]Carl Sandburg[/b]
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We have yet to see if they are “incriminating” or not.
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We have yet to see if they are “incriminating” or not.
Exactly. We shouuld be repeating this over and over.
I know I sound like a broken record. …
[b]We have no idea what is in those emails![/b]
It may very well just be a routine part of the investigation … or not.
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We have yet to see if they are “incriminating” or not.
Oh, by the way…
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So what? Hillary was Secretary of State so zero surprise that they’ve spoken.
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But that and Uranium One are just fine with you…
It’s quite clear that Hillary and Bill could hold a human sacrifice on the White House lawn and you guys would cheer them on. Sickening.
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well the midget known as Putin is trying to pump up his agent–praise for US stock market and CIA info–please this is Putin and Trump caught red-handed when they could not influence Alabama election-Trump like any agent called his leader=the last thing he should have done
the media is back to enhancing Putin’s height–when he is with a minority he has to be at the same level–Assad is one of the tallest people-
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SLN aka kpack123 aka Noah’s Ark is off his meds again.
Dude ….
everyone else in OT knows that Kpack and Noah/SNL are not the same person.
Me, kpack, Dalai, fw,Dan, SNL … We’ve all been arguing with each other in this forum for a decade. We know who each other are … some of us in RL.
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Dergon is correct, Jan. Please stop. We [i]try[/i] not to get [i]too[/i] personal here. Believe it or not, I have tremendous respect for everyone here. They just happen to be wrong sometimes.
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You’re more charitable (and undoubtedly less hotheaded) than I. Respect is not always due, and the nonsensical posts of certain members of this forum have stripped them of their respectability. I believe I’m being reasonable here. For instance, uncleduke also leans Left, but I have a lot of respect for him because his posts tend to be reasoned (not to mention the fact that his self-created lifestyle and career niche are about as optimal as one can get in medicine).
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I have no idea how the Jan the Third account has not drawn any attention from a moderator.
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Jan The Man is going Bonkers–his guy is sinking–tonight on the WH lawnTrump looked ghastly/unhinged/old and defeated-Murdoch will get his deal-the horrible tax bill will pass and then the GOP will say hasta la vista Trump-let the emails play out
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You’re more charitable (and undoubtedly less hotheaded) than I. Respect is not always due, and the nonsensical posts of certain members of this forum have stripped them of their respectability. I believe I’m being reasonable here. For instance, uncleduke also leans Left, but I have a lot of respect for him because his posts tend to be reasoned (not to mention the fact that his self-created lifestyle and career niche are about as optimal as one can get in medicine).
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emails sent with .gov belong to the Government–that’s just idiot spin
The Trump legal team sent their complaint about the GSA emails to congress only.
They didn’t send it to Mueller, Rosenstein, or anyone at he DOJ. That tells you that they know they don’t have a legal leg to stand on. It is just more fuel on the fire of the smear campaign against the investigation.-
Jan the Third’s posting privileges have been suspended for 2 weeks for repeatedly violating the Terms of Service for these Forums by posting abusive content.
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NBC News: [url=https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/russian-trolls-went-attack-during-key-election-moments-n827176]
[h1]Thousands of Russian trolls went on attack during key election moments[/url][/h1]Thousands of Russian trolls targeted national events during the 2016 U.S. presidential election to infiltrate the online conversations of millions of Americans, according to a new analysis of a database of recovered troll tweets by NBC News.
The records show how digital communications tools invented by U.S. companies, such as Twitter and Facebook, were instead exploited by the Kremlin-backed agents to promote autocracy and fear.
Twitter has identified 2,752 accounts as being linked to the Kremlin. In November, Congress [link=https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/exhibit_b.pdf]released the list[/link] of account names.
NBC News took those names and cross-referenced it against data held by three sources familiar with Twitter’s API, an online system that allows software developers to work user data, generated a database of 202,973 tweets sent by known Russian trolls. The sources asked that their names be withheld to avoid being identified as possibly violating Twitter’s developer policy.
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Well, I have to eat crow. There WAS Russian interference in the U.S. Presidential Election.
[h1][font=”impact,chicago”][size=”7″][i][b]IN 1960!!!!![/b][/i][/size][/font][/h1]
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/06/this-kremlin-leader-bragged-about-tipping-a-u-s-presidential-election/?utm_term=.957c111ba2fb]https://www.washingtonpos…utm_term=.957c111ba2fb[/link]
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Wow. Overwhelming evidence indeed.
I am humbled.
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Right now there’s active Russian influence. Look no further than Putin’s troll army.
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I’ll look no further because there is NOTHING to look at beyond that.
What? No comments about Khrushchev installing JFK? Oh, I forgot. We all [i]like[/i] JFK. And I’m sure many liked the old overtly Communist Soviet Union more than the newer crony-capitalistic/communist post-Soviet Russia.-
Are you F@ger by another name? The arguments aren’t dissimilar.
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Are you F@ger by another name? The arguments aren’t dissimilar.
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The point is Dalai, bringing up 1960 and Khrushchev is such a trollish thing to do, as if Khrushchev had any of the abilities Putin does to inject influence and propaganda into our elections.
And why stop with Kennedy & Khrushchev? Why not others? There’s Nixon and Anna Chan Chennault to tell Tieu of South Vietnam to scuttle peace negotiations because Democrats would sell out the South. And there is Reagan and the Ayatollah and the hostages; William Casey telling the Ayatollah to delay releasing the hostages until Reagan was sworn in.
How about all the lobbying groups paid by foreign governments to directly influence American policy?
As far back as the Constitutional Convention, James Madison worried about foreign influence.
[link=http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/debates/0725-2/]http://teachingamericanhi…ntion/debates/0725-2/#[/link][link=http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/debates/0725-2/]Mr. MADISON[/link]…Besides the general influence of that mode on the independence of the Executive, in the first place, the election of the chief magistrate would agitate and divide the Legislature so much, that the public interest would materially suffer by it. Public bodies are always apt to be thrown into contentions, but into more violent ones by such occasions than by any others. In the second place, the candidate would intrigue with the Legislature; would derive his appointment from the predominant faction, and be apt to render his administration subservient to its views. In the third place, the ministers of foreign powers would have, and would make use of, the opportunity to mix their intrigues and influence with the election. Limited as the powers of the Executive are, it will be an object of great moment with the great rival powers of Europe who have American possessions, to have at the head of our government a man attached to their respective politics and interests. No pains, nor perhaps expense, will be spared, to gain from the Legislature an appointment favorable to their wishes. Germany and Poland are witnesses of this danger. In the former, the election of the Head of the Empire, till it became in a manner hereditary, interested all Europe, and was much influenced by foreign interference. In the latter, although the elective magistrate has very little real power, his election has at all times produced the most eager interference of foreign princes, and has in fact at length slid entirely into foreign hands…The Legislatures of the States had betrayed a strong propensity to a variety of pernicious measures. One object of the National Legislature was to control this propensity. One object of the National Executive, so far as it would have a negative on the laws, was to control the National Legislature, so far as it might be infected with a similar propensity. The Legislatures can and will act with some kind of regular plan, and will promote the appointment of a man who will not oppose himself to a favorite object. Should a majority of the Legislatures, at the time of election, have the same object, or different objects of the same kind, the National Executive would be rendered subservient to them. An appointment by the State Executives was liable, among other objections, to this insuperable one, that being standing bodies, they could and would be courted, and intrigued with by the candidates, by their partizans, and by the ministers of foreign powers.
Which brings me back to my original question, are you justifying Putin’s interference as our just desserts? Retribution on America? Or is it OK just because your candidate won, regardless of by what means?
And for the record, traditionally it was the left and liberals who opposed American interference with free elections in other countries while it was the Right who advocated interference so as to ensure having a friendly government installed. Specifically interference was making sure freely elected leftist governments were removed by US interference.
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Saw a recent photo of 3 very upset Amigos
Donald( I was such an idiot and should have kept Jeff in Alabama/-get me out of here-I have to watch my a## for 2 years because the dem wave is there), Sessions( expression is Lawd, help me I have sinned), Christopher Wray( looks like he has aged 10 years–lost the slick wiseGuy look( again I think I would prefer Comey as head)Quote from DICOM_Dan
Right now there’s active Russian influence. Look no further than Putin’s troll army.
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To quote Luke Skywalker, “Impressive. Every word in YOUR sentence (well, post) was wrong.”
I don’t condone Russian interference in a US election, or US interference in a Russian (or Israeli) election. So don’t act like Frumious and put words in my mouth.
But IF you believe the media cr@p about Russian collusion with Trump, beyond some pitiful Facebook ads (and I’m not sure about those either), you might as well be a Shrillary supporter.-
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But IF you believe the media cr@p about Russian collusion with Trump, beyond some pitiful Facebook ads (and I’m not sure about those either), you might as well be a Shrillary supporter.
I suppose we need to go back and define “what the meaning of is, is.” What is the meaning of collusion, in the context of Trump and in a general context?
Because the Right-wingers are all over the map on this argument right down to Mueller is conspiring with Democrats to delegitimize by inventing facts, including even whether Russians did anything at all, considering all these “if the Russians” statements.
First question is if there was no collusion, why is it necessary for so many in the Trump Administration to make full-throated denials of everything including meeting with Russians to gain emails and other information that is later admitted as truthfully happened.
Second question, why the strong arm effort to delegitimize Mueller and his investigation before facts are revealed? Kill and delegitimize the investigation before it can reveal anything substantial to inoculate the Administration? If Trump and all the other members of his family and Administration are innocent, why not let the investigation run its course. It they are innocent they have nothing to fear, no?
There is no fire yet but there is a log of choking smoke and heat. We already have a number of indictments and cooperative witnesses. Let them speak. Or are they in on the conspiracy also?
I’m perfectly happy to wait and see without making guilty – or innocent pronouncements, I just want the investigation to continue to conclusion. I don’t have the evidence that Right-wing media apparently has that this is a fake persecution of innocent people by evil Mueller and Democrats. Please provide the evidence or shut up.
The constant noise about “Shrillary” is just plain shrill. As you people say, get over it, Hillary lost. Stop being so shrill & stick with the facts at hand and in the present.-
So if you fight back against false accusations you MUST be guilty? That play [i]did[/i] seem to work in Alabama, but Moore is no Trump.
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I think you try and minimize it. Russia for sure ran a disinformation campaign and you say it’s a few ads. Not even looking at that social engineering the whole cloud around Trump team is their own fault. Meeting with Russians about HRC dirt, lying about meeting ambassadors, attending RT events, laundering money.
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“For sure”? Really? Well, once again we have guilt with no chance of being proven innocent. Hope you never have to serve on a jury of your peers.
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Agree–all self-inflicted guilty wounds–Sessions –why lie–DT why say Russia is a ruse–just come out and say my son and Jared had a meeting with this person at Trump tower on–why keep Flynn for 18 days when U have been told
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I think you try and minimize it. Russia for sure ran a disinformation campaign and you say it’s a few ads. Not even looking at that social engineering the whole cloud around Trump team is their own fault. Meeting with Russians about HRC dirt, lying about meeting ambassadors, attending RT events, laundering money.
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McCarthy found Rohrabacher on the House floor Wednesday evening and assured him the remark captured on the recording obtained by the Post Theres two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump, McCarthy said was not to be taken seriously.[b][/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]
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So if you fight back against false accusations you MUST be guilty? That play [i]did[/i] seem to work in Alabama, but Moore is no Trump.
Outright lying, to the public and to the FBI is not “fighting back” against false accusations, it’s just lying. And why lie if you are innocent? And as has been pointed out, even if collusion is proven (& you still haven’t explained what collusion is to you), in spite of Trump Jr. peeing in his pants with anticipation about what the Russians might have given him about Hillary beyond what was already leaked to the public by the Russians via Wikileaks, it is still probably not against the law. But he & Donald did lie about it.
But lying to the FBI isa crime. Why lie if no crime? They must have thought the “colluding” they had been doing was bad enough to lie because that is precisely what several indictments are about.
So maybe you should be paying better attention about what is at stake here other than protecting your messiah (using your incessant hyperbole) regardless of what it means.
Lying is not fighting back, it is lying. & while it’s not a crime to lie to the public, it is a crime to lie to the FBI.
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On or about January 24, 2017, defendant MICHAEL T. FLYNN did willfully and knowingly make materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, to wit, the defendant falsely stated and represented to agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
in Washington, D.C., that:
(i) On or about December 29, 2016, FLYNN did not ask the Government of Russia’s Ambassador to the United States (“Russian Ambassador”) to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day; and FLYNN did not recall the Russian Ambassador subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request; and
(ii) On or about December 22, 2016, FLYNN did not ask the Russian Ambassador to delay the vote on or defeat a pending United Nations Security Council resolution; and
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Whoopie. That’s all you’ve got?
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The “single charge of false statements” is a prosecutorial technique wholly unrelated to severity and number of offenses.
It is meant to secure witness cooperation while not revealing too much. And in this case in particular, it is likely meant as a safeguard against Presidential pardon, allowing for additional charges to be made in state court.
What I posted is simply what is in the public record.
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We’ll see. At this point, Mueller has spent a great deal of our money and produced a few minor indictments for incidents that had nothing to do with the 2016 election. I’m not expecting much more out of him. The investigation will fade away with no impeachment. Sorry, boys.
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Somehow I doubt Flynn is so nonchalant since he plead guilty to Federal charges.
As for impeachment, who says that is a goal, what with Congress controlled by Republicans that is making to winning mega-millions lottery. Actually probably the lottery has better odds of winning.
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Let’s reverse things and take the “Benghazi” approach. If Meuller was investigating Hillary instead of Trump it would be something like this:
Robbie Mook is under indictment.
Huma Abedein has already plead guilty to lying to the FBI and is cooperating with federal investigators.
Chelsea Clinton is having her records subpoenaed and is being called for testimony in front of congressional committees.
And the investigation is still expanding with Clinton Foundation bank records, contracted organizations, and personal associates all getting a visit from the FBI.
If *that* was what was happening now the “it’s just a few minor indictments” crowd would be screaming from the rooftops.
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for some reason the Trump Team thinks hide in plain sight defense like Whitey Bulger living for years in Santa Monica although wanted by the FBI is a good strategy
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the I told u about the Russian Trump tower meeting defense does not quite fit when it is in truth I told u after u showed me the email trail
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I like CNN commercial–this is an Apple though u may jump up and down–it is still an apple
and if he throws Flynn under the bus then U go back to WHY did U keep This man on then for 18 days after the FBI Yates told U-
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-legal-team-readies-attack-on-flynns-credibility/2017/12/27/bc601324-ea78-11e7-b698-91d4e35920a3_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpdefense-435pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3026fbac7654]https://www.washingtonpos…utm_term=.3026fbac7654[/link]
[b]Trump legal team readies attack on Flynns credibility[/b]
This implies that they are worried. This is not the strategy you would bother to take to protect yourself from a bunch of lies, because you would be able to prove they were lies by reference to enough external evidence (or at least you would try that first). The fact that they are planning distance, at this early stage, if true, would be based on deep concern that the statements are true (just like attacking Comey).
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It should be quite fun because, other than Putin, Flynn is the only one that Trump never has had a negative word for.
We’ll have to see how often Trump undercuts his own team by waffling on whether Flynn is a dirty liar or an American hero.
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We’ll see. At this point, Mueller has spent a great deal of our money and produced a few minor indictments for incidents that had nothing to do with the 2016 election. I’m. The investigation will fade away with no impeachment. Sorry, boys.
I’m doubtful that there will any smoking gun quid pro quo between Trump himself and Russians.
But ….. I have a hard time buying the ” not expecting much more out of him” argument.
As a prosecutor there is no reason to flip Michael Flynn and use him as a cooperating witness unless he brings the high likelihood of getting an indictment on a higher ranking official. If Mueller had nothing else he would throw the book at Flynn and send him to jail for a long prison term.
But making Flynn cooperate … and specifically requiring his longterm ongoing cooperation in plea … means that Mueller expects Flynn to bring him someone or some people bigger.
imho, in the Trump sphere the only people higher up than Flynn are Jared, Donald Jr., Mike Pence, and Donald Trump.
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well he is going to get something with his name on it in Jerusalem–yes folks with him it is always what’s in it for me–so I believe he wanted a Moscow Trump tower and if it meant he had to be a traitor then so be it–my name is on it
it is like Bill O Reilly saying Donald sometimes u have to say no to a cover-Esquire did a horrible pic of U
Donald-” Bill, its the Cover”
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[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-questions-rnc-digital-operation-trump-campaign-russia-2017-12]
[h1]Mueller is reportedly zeroing in on the Trump campaign’s data operation and the RNC[/url][/h1]Mueller’s team is examining whether the joint RNC-Trump campaign data operation which was directed on Trump’s side by Brad Parscale and managed by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner “was related to the activities of Russian trolls and bots aimed at influencing the American electorate.”
It is not surprising that federal investigators have begun to examine the possibility that Russia and the Trump campaign helped each other during the election. Investigators have been looking into whether Russia provided the campaign [link=http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/]with voter information stolen by Russian hackers[/link] from election databases in several states, and whether the Trump campaign helped Russia target its political ads to specific demographics and voting precincts.
Investigators have long wondered whether the data-mining and analysis firm Cambridge Analytica served as a link between the campaign’s data operation and Russia.[/QUOTE]
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Trump openly voices his envy over President Obama( his Holder comment-he envies 44)
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This article from the summer discusses some of the laws involved
[link=http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/18/could-trump-jr-kushner-or-manafort-be-charged-under-the-espionage-act/]http://foreignpolicy.com/…der-the-espionage-act/[/link]-
Slightly more serious than lying about having a sexual affair.
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[link=https://tipolitics.com/barack-obama-read-the-steele-dossier-d062dd56e0b6]https://tipolitics.com/ba…e-dossier-d062dd56e0b6[/link]
You Russiagaters have been duped. If only Sessions had [i]cojones[/i], EVERYONE involved in this travesty would be in the federal pen for the rest of their lives. Including Barack “Russia is not a threat, Mitt!” Obama. But he doesn’t, so you can all breath a sigh of relief.-
If the dossier is a “garbage document” and Steele has little to do with it, then I am confident that the US intelligence apparatus can figure that out.
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If you believe that some former hill staffer with a blog has it all figured out but the CIA, FBI, and NSA and the massive power of the US intelligence community are blinded to it then there is no reasonable conversation we can have on the matter.
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fpolitics&action=click&contentCollection=politics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront]New York Times[/link]: [b]How the Russia Inquiry Began[/b]
During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australias top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.
About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.
Exactly how much Mr. Papadopoulos said that night at the Kensington Wine Rooms with the Australian, Alexander Downer, is unclear. But two months later, when leaked Democratic emails began appearing online, Australian officials passed the information about Mr. Papadopoulos to their American counterparts.
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I thought Flynn was a “wonderful man.” Suddenly he is lying about Trump? Not based on anything he has said but on what the Trumpets fear he might say.
Maybe the Trumpets need to reconsider that their man, Trump, might be the liar who shouldn’t be trusted. Maybe the Trumpet took a bill of goods as eagerly as Trump Jr. reported his own eagerness to accept stolen Russian information that was reported to be negative about Hillary.-
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So far the only collusion is between the Clinton campaign, fusion GPS and the Russians.
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Interesting that Comey had a lot to say about emails but the FBI seems to have been looking at Russia before the dossier and he was mum on that.
Yep.
Also interesting from that NYT piece is how the “coffee boy” was drinks with the Australian High Commissioner to the UK 🙂
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Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, founders of Fusion GPS, write in the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?_r=0]New York Times[/link]:
Yes, we hired Mr. Steele, a highly respected Russia expert. But we did so without informing him whom we were working for and gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?
What came back shocked us. Mr. Steeles sources in Russia (who were not paid) reported on an extensive and now confirmed effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. Trump president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I
Were extremely proud of our work to highlight Mr. Trumps Russia ties. To have done so is our right under the First Amendment.
It is time to stop chasing rabbits. The public still has much to learn about a man with the most troubling business past of any United States president. Congress should release transcripts of our firms testimony, so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most important, what happened to our democracy.
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[h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2018/01/02/democrats-may-issue-minority-report-russia-investigation/]Democrats May Issue Minority Report on Russia[/link][/h2] Rep. Jim Himes (D-CT) told [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/02/how-bad-is-the-republican-cover-up-on-trump-and-russia-we-may-soon-find-out/?tid=ss_tw-bottom&utm_term=.0e920a0b47cf]Greg Sargent[/link] that Democrats are seriously exploring the possibility of issuing a minority report that details (among other things) the degree to which Republicans tried to impede a full investigation, should that end up happening.
In this scenario, the public would at least have a clear sense of just how far Republicans went to protect President Trump and his top officials from accountability.
Said Himes: Its in both the Democrats and the Republicans interests to write a report based on a common set of facts. It would be a tragedy if the report has a minority section that says, Look, we wanted to talk to these two dozen witnesses and werent able to do so.’
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[size=”4″]The Republicans Fake Investigations[/size]
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront]https://www.nytimes.com/2…mp;pgtype=sectionfront[/link]
When are these characters going to be charged with obstruction of justice.
The Democrats need to hang this around the republicans necks for the next election.
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The Brits have been investigating Russia since WW1/Rasputin-the GOP are complicit-rolled the dice and they got stuck w/ a fat pumpkin
also I think Nunes/Sarah should face some charges for attempting to obstruct an investigation/ spread false information
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Yeah, everything will be dealt with fairly…NOT!
[link=https://pagesix.com/2018/01/02/russia-probe-grand-jury-looks-like-a-black-lives-matter-rally-says-witness/?_ga=2.48644142.962879676.1514680680-1270752920.1514521451]https://pagesix.com/2018/…-1270752920.1514521451[/link]-
????where are u going with that
and majority of Black voters rejected Bernie and Bernie threw shade on southern black voters–the same voters that flipped Alabama
equivalent of our attorney is jewishQuote from DoctorDalai
Yeah, everything will be dealt with fairly…NOT!
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Quote from dergon
Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, founders of Fusion GPS, write in the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?_r=0]New York Times[/link]:
Well if the perpetrators assure us that this was not a ‘pay for dirt’ scheme, who are we to doubt ?
Very funny.
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Quote from dergon
Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, founders of Fusion GPS, write in the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?_r=0]New York Times[/link]:
Well if the perpetrators assure us that this was not a ‘pay for dirt’ scheme, who are we to doubt ?
Very funny.
They’re asking congress to unseal the testimony and evidence.
I go with the guys looking for transparency.
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My New Years resolution is to quit paying attention to the daily political reality show
Its exhausting and the current president maybe one of the most pathetic and disgusting individuals in history
Its better to just turn him off
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[link=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff]https://www.theguardian.c…e-bannon-michael-wolff[/link]
[b]Bannon calls the Trump Tower meeting “treasonous”.[/b]
Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad …., and I happen to think its all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.
You realise where this is going, he is quoted as saying. This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F10%2F31%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fandrew-weissmann-mueller.html]Andrew] Weissmann[/link] first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fcuking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner Its as plain as a hair on your face.It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner sh*t The Kushner sh*t is greasy. Theyre going to go right through that. Theyre going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.
[link=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/31/steve-bannon-may-have-lost-the-battle-in-alabama-but-his-gop-civil-war-goes-on]Bannon,[/link] speaking to author Michael Wolff, warned that the investigation into alleged collusion with the Kremlin will focus on money laundering and predicted: Theyre going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.Scorning apparent White House insouciance, Bannon reaches for a hurricane metaphor: Theyre sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.
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Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad …., and I happen to think its all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.
You realise where this is going, he is quoted as saying. This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F10%2F31%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fandrew-weissmann-mueller.html]Andrew] Weissmann[/link] first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fcuking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner Its as plain as a hair on your face.
It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner sh*t The Kushner sh*t is greasy. Theyre going to go right through that. Theyre going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.
Theyre going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.
Theyre sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.This is really intriguing if these quotes are true. Bannon looks like he’s going scorched earth on the Trump team. Is Bannon trying to burn the whole thing down? Follow the money trail.
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From that foreign policy article I posted above, if it seems like treason that’s because it may legally be espionage.
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DJT on Bannon
[link=https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/03/575295244/steve-bannon-is-quoted-saying-trump-tower-meeting-was-treasonous]https://www.npr.org/secti…meeting-was-treasonous[/link]
“Steve pretends to be at war with the media, which he calls the opposition party, yet he spent his time at the White House leaking false information to the media to make himself seem far more important than he was. It is the only thing he does well. Steve was rarely in a one-on-one meeting with me and only pretends to have had influence to fool a few people with no access and no clue, whom he helped write phony books.”
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Quote from kpack123
My New Years resolution is to quit paying attention to the daily political reality show
Its exhausting and the current president maybe one of the most pathetic and disgusting individuals in history
Its better to just turn him off
Maybe not…
[link=https://tipolitics.com/an-excellent-point-on-never-trumpism-6fd9d8f9f0cc]https://tipolitics.com/an…-trumpism-6fd9d8f9f0cc[/link]
I’ve got (former) friends who literally cut off all communications with me and Mrs. Dalai because they assumed we had voted for Trump. Whether we did or not is neither here nor there. But THIS is the sort of derangement that you don’t find on the Right. I don’t know of anyone who stopped talking to friends who voted for Obama.-
The politics of provocation
I just like him cause he makes liberals angry
Thats fine but Im
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I’m kind of Trump-exhausted also. He truely is teflon Don. Like no matter what behavior he exhibits, no GOP congress will hold him accountable. Like who’s out there today saying maybe you shouldn’t have tweeted about using nucs. Crazy right?
I think they story is going to change over to GOP members retiring and or losing races. Then we’ll be in more years of political stagnation.
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[h1][link=http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-questions-rnc-digital-operation-trump-campaign-russia-2017-12]Mueller is reportedly zeroing in on the Trump campaign’s data operation and the RNC[/link][/h1]
Mueller’s team is examining whether the joint RNC-Trump campaign data operation which was directed on Trump’s side by Brad Parscale and managed by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner “was related to the activities of Russian trolls and bots aimed at influencing the American electorate.”
It is not surprising that federal investigators have begun to examine the possibility that Russia and the Trump campaign helped each other during the election. Investigators have been looking into whether Russia provided the campaign [link=http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/]with voter information stolen by Russian hackers[/link] from election databases in several states, and whether the Trump campaign helped Russia target its political ads to specific demographics and voting precincts.
Investigators have long wondered whether the data-mining and analysis firm Cambridge Analytica served as a link between the campaign’s data operation and Russia.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/17/politics/facebook-cambridge-analytica/index.html]Facebook suspends Cambridge Analytica [/url]
On Friday, Facebook’s vice president and deputy general counsel, Paul Grewal, said in [link=https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/suspending-cambridge-analytica/]a detailed statement [/link]that a University of Cambridge psychology professor, Aleksandr Kogan, had passed Facebook user data he gained through an app on to third-parties, including Cambridge Analytica — a breach of the social media site’s policies on protecting people’s information.
Grewal said in the statement that after the discovery of this violation in 2015, Facebook “demanded certifications from Kogan and all parties he had given data to that the information had been destroyed.”
Despite telling the company that the data was destroyed, the Facebook statement said it recently received reports that indicated otherwise and was suspending Cambridge Analytica, its parent company Strategic Communication Laboratories, Kogan and another person he shared the information with, Christopher Wylie of Eunoia Technologies Inc.
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[link=http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/379005-house-intel-republican-panel-did-not-investigate-collusion]http://thehill.com/homene…-investigate-collusion[/link]
The House Intelligence Committee found no evidence of collusion…. GOP admits they didn’t investigate collusion.
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Bannon–make a deal–it is quite clear who DJT/GOP want to use U as the fall guy–anything to save precious Javanka/The Donald/Jr
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DJT on Bannon
[link=https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/03/575295244/steve-bannon-is-quoted-saying-trump-tower-meeting-was-treasonous]https://www.npr.org/secti…meeting-was-treasonous[/link]
“Steve pretends to be at war with the media, which he calls the opposition party, yet he spent his time at the White House leaking false information to the media to make himself seem far more important than he was. It is the only thing he does well. Steve was rarely in a one-on-one meeting with me and only pretends to have had influence to fool a few people with no access and no clue, whom he helped write phony books.”
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Bannon–U should have called the FBI
go Bannon–bring up that money laundering charge-
Bannon–Treason–U should have called the FBI
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And the sh*t show continues:
Manafort sues the DOJ
Good luck with that.
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All these low level staffers are really causing problems today.
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I know the FEDS are laughing about that
Quote from dergon
And the sh*t show continues:
Manafort sues the DOJ
Good luck with that.
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In related news, today Hillary Clintons pants actually caught on fire:
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/03/fire-breaks-out-on-hillary-and-bill-clintons-property-in-chappaqua/]https://www.washingtonpos…property-in-chappaqua/[/link]-
why are we hearing that the grand jury is too black–
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Rosenstein met with Ryan today–word on twitter is that Nunes may have a problem–remember all those shenanigans he did in 2017-child please–
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Mueller is already ahead of you
USA today
WASHINGTON Russia special counsel Robert Mueller is using at least two grand juries in Virginia and Washington, D.C. to advance a wide-ranging federal inquiry into possible coordination between President Trump’s campaign and Moscow, a lawyer involved in the case said Friday.
As he investigates Russia’s interference in the presidential election, Mueller may continue to use multiple panels or eventually consolidate those efforts in Washington, where the special counsel’s team has only begun to use a grand jury in recent weeks.
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Yeah, everything will be dealt with fairly…NOT!
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Bannon seems to have concluded that the SS Trump is taking on water and might sink.
Time to jump now and let Jared and Jr go down with the ship.
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Talking about the new fire and fury book on MSNBC. Sounds like the book is a bombshell. Already #1 bestseller on AMazon. All of trumps aids have different ways of describing how stupid he is. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more weird.
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Breaking news–Trump’s attorneys have sent a cease and desist order to Bannon–sorry Trump–U are a public figure so Bannon/Omarosa etc can’t be sued–that worked in the 80’s DT
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