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Average JOE Biden
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[h1]Biden Advisers Craft Re-Election Plans[/h1]
President Bidens advisers are moving forward with planning for the presidents likely 2024 re-election campaign, with discussions focused less on whether Mr. Biden will seek a second term and more on how a campaign would operate alongside the White House next year, the [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-advisers-craft-re-election-plans-as-president-weighs-final-decision-11671248594]Wall Street Journal[/link] reports.
Mr. Bidens team has begun to hold preliminary discussions about the structure of the campaign and who could fill key roles, though there is no timeline for hiring, as well as where headquarters would be located. Possibilities include Philadelphia, where the 2020 campaign was based before the Covid-19 pandemic, and the presidents hometown of Wilmington, Del., people close to the discussions said.____________________
[link=https://nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-hosts-closed-door-meetings-biden-political-allies-rcna62137]NBC News[/link]: The White House held a series of closed-door meetings Thursday, from which Democratic strategists and activists came out with an emphatic message: Go out and sell the presidents record.
In the latest sign that President Joe Biden is preparing to mount a re-election campaign, a battery of senior White House officials delivered presentations on Bidens tenure and gave briefings on the economy, climate change and the way forward.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/12/19/biden-truman-post-ukraine-war/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_opinions&utm_medium=social]https://www.washingtonpos…&utm_medium=social[/link]
Max Boot –
How Biden can go down in history as one of the greatest presidents[/h1]
Today, as many fear a nuclear war as a result of another unprovoked invasion (this one in Ukraine), it is worth recalling how the worst was averted more than 70 years ago. Truman disregarded the extremists from both left and right. Some (such as Henry Wallace, who served as vice president under Franklin D. Roosevelt) argued for accommodation with the Soviets; others (including many [link=https://www.jstor.org/stable/24911849]senior Air Force generals[/link]) argued for preventive war against the U.S.S.R. or a wider war with China.
Truman prudently chose a middle path by adopting a policy of containment designed to stop the spread of communism without risking a direct conflict with Moscow. He responded to the Soviet blockade of West Berlin in 1948 not by sending U.S. ground forces to fight their way to the embattled city but by sending U.S. cargo aircraft to keep it alive. The cornerstone of his strategy was to forge alliances with like-minded nations, including former enemies Italy, West Germany and Japan. American multilateralism produced both the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) in 1947 and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in 1949 the economic and military underpinnings of the U.S.-led world order. This was followed by the signing of defense treaties with Japan (1951) and South Korea (1953) to extend collective security to East Asia.…
The old world order is dying. The new one is struggling to be born. In the 2020s, as in the 1940s, we are seeing a competition between the forces of order and disorder to define the international system and once again American politics might well determine the outcome. The Cold War would have had a very different and far less happy outcome if the United States had not remained committed to its alliances with Western Europe, Japan and South Korea. The post-Ukraine war world will be a more dangerous place or a less dangerous place depending on the decisions we make now. As we look back on the tumultuous events of this year and look forward to whatever the new year may bring, Trumans example should remind us of the importance of strengthening international institutions and alliances while avoiding a rush to war.
If Biden can get the balance right and leave the world more secure than he found it, he too has a chance to be remembered as fondly as the plainspoken haberdasher from Missouri, who was proud of having [link=https://www.britannica.com/biography/Harry-S-Truman/Outbreak-of-the-Korean-War]done his damnedest[/link]. Truman left office with a 32 percent approval rating amid a stalemated war in the Korean Peninsula but is now rated by historians as one of our [link=https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall]greatest presidents[/link].[/QUOTE]
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[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/opinion/biden-zelensky-speech.html?unlocked_article_code=495uKiPBJueNL_YCxs6G3mqsnylwprKgSGZMizUJTcdT3XW_5XDJIFEYOCvB-CAa_UCTiPQdNl_OCIiKm-rFnlVpVnnYTomQgNCPdL-5YKRLbKnPMtQzyjrJu29s5I7DusuHEoFl4hEfsOV8HDuEmqe5_VkGs-e82TzJ3ezRZ9wlOwH_IbtCoY6afoCDN7r3Xhgpwg8NZF8VzAKldjG1XH5BRhBseIdos0UWul0J80UQ6aX4arH-fB8jijF0KN-EqGJ_AWk6y2vc00SeHNC2_GII1cQhgO8ucSrHxFWYDy_UOgin_5HCZlvFi-j3WyS5nMT_8G2aNXO_Wfc58vg&smid=share-url]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/opinion/biden-zelensky-speech.html?unlocked_article_code=495uKiPBJueNL_YCxs6G3mqsnylwprKgSGZMizUJTcdT3XW_5XDJIFEYOCvB-CAa_UCTiPQdNl_OCIiKm-rFnlVpVnnYTomQgNCPdL-5YKRLbKnPMtQzyjrJu29s5I7DusuHEoFl4hEfsOV8HDuEmqe5_VkGs-e82TzJ3ezRZ9wlOwH_IbtCoY6afoCDN7r3Xhgpwg8NZF8VzAKldjG1XH5BRhBseIdos0UWul0J80UQ6aX4arH-fB8jijF0KN-EqGJ_AWk6y2vc00SeHNC2_GII1cQhgO8ucSrHxFWYDy_UOgin_5HCZlvFi-j3WyS5nMT_8G2aNXO_Wfc58vg&smid=share-url[/link]The cameras mostly focused on Volodymyr Zelensky during his address to Congress on Wednesday night, but I focused my attention as much as I could on the audience in the room. There was fervor, admiration, yelling and whooping. In a divided nation, we dont often get to see the Congress rise up, virtually as one, with ovations, applause, many in blue dresses and yellow ties.
Sure, there were dissenters in the room, but they were not what mattered.
Zelensky and his fellow Ukrainians have reminded Americans of the values and causes we used to admire in ourselves the ardent hunger for freedom, the deep-rooted respect for equality and human dignity, the willingness to fight against brutal authoritarians who would crush the human face under the heel of their muddy boots. It is as if Ukraine and Zelensky have rekindled a forgotten song, and suddenly everybody has remembered how to sing it.
Both Zelensky and Biden have been underestimated. Zelensky had been a comedian and so people thought he was a lightweight. He dresses like a regular guy and eschews the trappings of power that obsess people like Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.
For his part, Biden doesnt fit the romantic West Wing fantasy that many progressives have in their heads. A progressive president should be delivering soaring, off-the cuff speeches that make you feel good about yourself!
But the truth is that both men have delivered again and again. The military struggle in Ukraine might turn grim in the coming months, but both men are partly responsible for a historic shift in the global struggle against brutality and authoritarianism.
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Yeah. Biden is very good at Presidenting
I suppose that surprises lots and lots of people on both sides of the aisle.
(For me, the fact that Biden was able to prevent a progressive revolt with actually getting a good chunk of BBB is the big story of his presidency. And it changes a lot for 2024, letting Biden run without any thought of a primary if he chooses to)
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The moderate he promised. Yes, that wins.
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[h1][b]The Most Productive Congress in Decades[/b][/h1]
[link=https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-ketanji-brown-jackson-politics-europe-donald-trump-143cce189228d6563eba07298cc9f8a1?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_07]Associated Press[/link]: In many ways, the chaos of the Capitol attack created a new coalition in Congress lawmakers who want to show America can govern. With President Joe Biden in the White House, the Democrats who controlled Washington found new partners in a wing of the Republican Party eager to push past the Trump years and the former presidents repeated lies about a stolen election that led to the Capitol siege.
Said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer: These two years in the Senate and House in the Congress were either the most productive in 50 years since the Great Society, or most productive in 100 years since the New Deal.
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[h1][b]The Most Productive Congress in Decades[/b][/h1]
[link=https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-ketanji-brown-jackson-politics-europe-donald-trump-143cce189228d6563eba07298cc9f8a1?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_07]Associated Press[/link]: In many ways, the chaos of the Capitol attack created a new coalition in Congress lawmakers who want to show America can govern. With President Joe Biden in the White House, the Democrats who controlled Washington [b]found new partners in a wing of the Republican Party eager to push past the Trump years and the former presidents repeated lies about a stolen election that led to the Capitol siege[/b].Said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer: These two years in the Senate and House in the Congress were either the most productive in 50 years since the Great Society, or most productive in 100 years since the New Deal.
It was always about finding those partners. Some said they didn’t exist. I was always optimistic.
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[link=https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/]https://projects.fivethir…biden-approval-rating/[/link]
Biden 538 average approval at 43.3%, his highest of 2022 … closing out the year strong.
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[h1]Biden Quietly Rolls Into Re-Election Mode[/h1] [link=https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/28/politics/biden-st-croix-vacation/index.html]CNN[/link] –
If the holidays were once seen as President Bidens time to decide on a re-election bid, the reality now is that the decision is essentially made.”
[link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/how-joe-biden-is-planning-to-run-in-2024.html]Gabe Debenedetti[/link]: Hes been hinting to associates that he has plenty he still wants to do in the White House since so much of his first year and a half was consumed with pandemic recovery. And hes made clear that he now has little patience for all the rumbling about the other, younger Democrats waiting in the wings for his fall from grace, or at least his retirement.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/31/biden-2023-reelection-announcement-accomplishments-new-year-00075984]Politico
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[h2]Biden begins 2023 with a stronger hand to play and an inclination to play it[/h2]
A reelection announcement is not yet finalized. But, should it come, it may be sooner than expected.President Joe Biden begins 2023 politically stronger than 12 months ago, bolstered by his partys surprise midterms success, a robust set of legislative accomplishments and the resilience of the alliance he rallied to support Ukraine after Russias invasion. Indeed, as he vacations on St. Croix, the biggest decision he faces is whether to seek reelection to the office he holds.
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There are challenges still on the horizon, from an economy threatening to slow down, to the war in Europe, to an incoming Republican House majority threatening gridlock and investigations. But those in the presidents circle believe there is a strong and growing likelihood that he will run again and that an announcement could potentially come earlier than had been expected, possibly as soon as mid-February, around the expected date of the State of the Union, according to those people.
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While a newly empowered GOP majority in the House will block most chances of significant policy action, White House aides believe that some previous legislative wins will more fully take effect next year and prove popular with voters, furthering their momentum. Bidens inflation reduction act will lock in key priorities on climate funding and prescription drug prices. The transportation law will continue to fund projects across the country. And his final piece of legislation for the year, a $1.7 trillion bipartisan spending package, includes an overhaul of the law his predecessor cited in the lead up to the January 6 riot.
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The war has become a vital test of Bidens governing principle: that this century would be a battle between democracies and autocracies and the free world would win if it proved it could deliver for its people. So far, Biden believes it has.
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Can’t believe they still call it the “inflation reduction act” but yes, that and the [b]bipartisan [/b]spending package (much less than he hoped for) will prove popular. Stick with the 93% and he will do fine.
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Should make for a potentially interesting split screen of news this week. While the GOP House may be sniping at each other during a chaotic Speaker election [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/biden-laud-economic-wins-gop-takes-house-rcna63866]Biden will be doing an event alongside Mitch McConnell and other leaders, highlighting his bipartisan legislative successes.
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News networks (not Fox) went with *exactly* that splitscreen yesterday. Biden and McConnell at a bridge in Kentucky, highlighting successful infrastructre and House republicans squabbling in the chamber.
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As House Republicans are in chaos, President Bidens [link=https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/]average approval rating[/link] ticked up to its highest level 43.5% in more than a year.
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Lean in.
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Secret Service, Salvation Army, it’s all the same if you think about it.
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The problem is they are not supposed to be. But equating them with Salvation Army might be slighting the Army.
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Should make for a potentially interesting split screen of news this week. While the GOP House may be sniping at each other during a chaotic Speaker election [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/biden-laud-economic-wins-gop-takes-house-rcna63866]Biden will be doing an event alongside Mitch McConnell and other leaders, highlighting his bipartisan legislative successes.
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President Joe Biden will open the new year with a bipartisan show of support to tout one of his major legislative wins, appearing with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in Kentucky to announce a major project funded by the infrastructure law.
The appearance with McConnell, R-Ky., and other regional leaders from both parties Wednesday signals a dual focus for a White House aiming to stay above the political fray in 2023. The stop, and others like it this week featuring other administration officials across the country, will come a day after the new Republican-led House of Representatives takes power in Washington, kicking off a period of divided government as the 2024 presidential election campaign also begins to take shape.
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{T}he bipartisan infrastructure law will be front and center as the White House says 20,000 new projects funded by the law will be underway in the year ahead.[/QUOTE]
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Good take on the Biden document story with Mark Halperin (writing in the voice of Ron Klain)
[link]https://markhalperin.substack.com/[/link]
[h1][link=https://markhalperin.substack.com/p/ron-klains-silver-lining-playbook]Ron Klain’s Silver Lining Playbook[/link][/h1] [h3]The search for the pony never ends…[/h3]
[b]TO: JRB[/b]
[b]FROM: Ron Klain[/b]
[b]DATE: 1/11/23[/b]
[b]RE: Silver linings playbook[/b]
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Heres the reality: Although the document thing is not ideal, current circumstances really reduce the threat this poses to us and you and there are in fact some upsides to it all!
Yes, it complicates the life of the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General. Their prosecution decision on Trump was always going to be tricky, and now surely an indictment is less likely. We are, of course, staying out of it, following closely your longstanding instruction, with which you know I agree, to avoid any action by the White House, including the counsels office, that would open the door to our enemies credibly accusing us of interfering in an investigation.
[b]The reason the discovery of the documents is not a problem is that it juxtaposes you with Trump and with his document decisions. [/b]In the minds of the press, thanks to our early and consistent spin, this is about Team Biden handling the situation right compared to Team Trump handling it corruptly.
Every media outlet has a main bar emphasizing the differences and most have sidebars detailing how the cases are not at all the same, (the Washington Post has two of them and counting!). [b]All of those stories are great for us. [/b] [link=https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/gop-rages-as-biden-classified-docs-hidden-until-after-midterms/]Even the New York Post[/link] ends its story like this:
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Once again, you are the guy who is not as bad as Trump. [b]You versus Trump????!!! That is a home game for us with the media. [/b]This is gold for our fight with House Republicans and gold for the reelect.[/QUOTE]
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The GOP is out there with the false equivalency in force. When are they going to raid JBs home. He should invite them to and serve some lunch.
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-12/merrick-garland-considering-special-counsel-appointment-in-biden-documents-probe]Bloomberg[/link]
Attorney General Merrick Garland may announce a special counsel to investigate whether President Joe Biden mishandled classified information during his time in private life.
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Fine with me.
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totally. That’s the point in that they all get treated the same. It would totally put a death nail in Trump’s whole like of BS where everyone’s out to get just him.
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Attorney General Merrick has appointed Robert Hur as special counsel to oversee the investigation into the documents found at President Bidens office and home, [link=https://twitter.com/weijia/status/1613601775419809792]CBS News[/link] reports.
Hur is a former U.S. attorney from Maryland who served as a senior official in President Donald Trumps Justice Department.
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At this point he should just resign and report straight to jail.
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Can’t make it up – classified documents found in this garage along side his corvette.
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Biden on Trump
“How that could possibly happen, how one anyone could be that irresponsible,” Biden responded. “And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods. By that, I mean, names of people helped or et cetera.”
[i][b]”And it’s just totally irresponsible,[/b][/i]” Biden added.
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Biden asked how could he do this and he replies his garage was locked. LMAO the guy is brain dead
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Biden asked how could he do this and he replies his garage was locked. LMAO the guy is brain dead
He’s gonna plead diminished capacity and the court will grant it without even a psych eval.
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It’s not a good look but holding him to the standards as TRump is step one. And how Biden responds is step 2. By any account I’ve read Biden is cooperating and self reported to the archives. Which is polar opposite of the orange menace.
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So who are the democrats going to use to replace him in 2024 ?
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Apples to apples
I guess if Biden obstructs justice and lies about declassifying them we can call it the same
Republicans are not hypocrites
They just arent
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Apples to apples
I guess if Biden obstructs justice and lies about declassifying them we can call it the same
Republicans are not hypocrites
They just arent
Right
[ul][*]Bidens staff found the documents and immediately reported it to the Justice Department, while Trump ignored multiple requests to return the documents.[*] A search warrant was needed to take back the documents in Trumps possession.[*]Biden said he was surprised he had the documents and returned them, while Trump continues to insist they were his property. [*]Trump made up some nonsense about declassifying the documents in his mind, but then his legal team failed to ever make that argument in court.[*]Trump had 184 documents with classification markings, while Biden had a much smaller number. We still dont know the total number of documents found in Bidens home and office but it’s probably in the 20s or less range.[*]Trump’s lawyers wouldn’t even sign off that they had returned everything.[*]Trump used every legal opportunity available to block/ slow the investigation. Biden’s AG’s promptly appointed a special counsel. [/ul] But yeah, the cases are pretty much the same.-
Here comes the tribal lunacy. Let’s discuss how one is worse than the other but keep our keyboard quiet when it comes to Biden. There are many unanswered questions about Biden’s situation but we MUST be partisan and only talk about Trump.
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[ul][*][b]Bidens staff found the documents and immediately reported it to the Justice Department, while Trump ignored multiple requests to return the documents.[/b] [/ul]
Biden’s lawyers reported the documents. It is unclear why they were looking and how they were discovered. The WH press secretary declined to answer why the lawyers were looking. And why did the lawyers tell him do not ask what the documents were. How is it the documents were found before the election and we are just finding out now?
[ul][*][b]Biden said he was surprised he had the documents .[/b] [/ul]
Biden is a known liar. He has told more lies about his life than George Santos. He had to read off a card at the Q&A in Mexico. His statement in Mexico only discussed the documents at the think tank, yet at this point in time they knew there were documents in Delaware. Why did he hide it in his statement when he campaigned on transparency? How is it that the documents were spread over three locations? The Penn Biden think tank didnt open until 2018 but he left the VP job in 2017. Who moved the documents and where were the ones at the think tank stored before the office opened? One document was reported to be in his home study. The others in a box behind his corvette. Yeah he didnt know he had them.
[ul][*][b]Trump made up some nonsense about declassifying the documents in his mind, but then his legal team failed to ever make that argument in court.[/b] [/ul]
True and Biden had no legal recourse as a former VP to even have classified documents.
[ul][*][b]Trump had 184 documents with classification markings, while Biden had a much smaller number. We still dont know the total number of documents found in Bidens home and office but it’s probably in the 20s or less range.[/b] [/ul] Hysterical attempt at justifying Biden. I dont think the law specifies how many documents you are allowed to remove. Even one is too many.
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The guy who supports George Santos is railing about tribal lunacy
Look if Biden knowingly broke the law and obstructed justice he should pay the consequences
I have know problem with that
So please be my guest show us all how Biden obstructed justice and knowingly broke the law
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. There are many unanswered questions about Biden’s situation but we MUST be partisan and only talk about Trump.
Then answer them all and we can compare
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You republicans have soooooo much baggage and so May lies and deception that when something comes up that you can remotely compare you literally sheet yourself
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The guy who supports George Santos is railing about tribal lunacy
Look if Biden [b]knowingly [/b]broke the law and obstructed justice he should pay the consequences
I have know problem with that
So please be my guest show us all how Biden obstructed justice and knowingly broke the law
That’s the kicker. While the cases might be [i]politically[/i] similar, based on what is publicly available so far they are not at all [i]legally[/i] similar.
The intent matters by statute. …. And the thing that go toward intent (claiming ownership, attempting to bargain, delaying return, obfuscating motives, attempting to obstruct investigation) all go towards that mens rea.
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LMAO intent – there were 3 different locations two in his house. One had to be moved a couple of times. The guy has been in public office for 5 decades and we are to believe he knew nothing about them or the law. Like I said you guys are better than a comedy club.
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So you are saying the case is identical to trumps
Just clarifying
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No not saying that. I recognize there are differences.
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I see the kpack spittle is flying again.
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If you can find a post where I said I supported Santos let me know.
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This take [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif[/image]:
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I dont think Biden has legal worries here, I dont think he has political worries. The main benefit for Republicans is Trump is breathing a sigh of relief because it makes it hard for Merrick Garland to authorize a prosecution of Donald Trump, even if it is merited.
Brian Fallon, a former Clinton adviser who worked at the Department of Justice, quoted by the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/12/biden-trump-classified-documents-politics/]Washington Post[/link] on the classified documents found at President Bidens home.________
I don’t think it does *anything* to dent Biden’s odds of running in 2024…. and might even strengthen them, because the odds of a Trump/Biden rematch just went up and there’s almost no way Joe is getting out of the game if he thinks he’s gonna get Trump as the Republican nominee again. His honestly believes he’s the only Democrat who can beat him.
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Or maybe Biden takes the fall if that takes Trump with him?
Sitcom. They get locked up in the same jail cell. “everyone knows Trump makes the best toilet wine”-
Republicans are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, the only similarity is that both are pegs.
Waiting for Kevin to proudly announce – if he hasn’t already – that like Benghazi, the only sole purpose of these “investigations” is to distract the media and public with BS.
“If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with [b]bullsh1t[/b].” W.C. Fields
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Send Jim Jordan to Biden’s garage.
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[b][i]Republicans are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, the only similarity is that both are pegs.[/i][/b]
What a joke. All tribal politics. It is Biden’s own AG that announced the investigation. Biden had no statutory authority as VP to be in possession of documents. When asked he replies his garage was locked then goes on to read a prepared statement that starts with – You know how serious I take this …… Yep so serious Joe you put the box next to the Vette.-
Get a mirror regarding your tribal politics, ixrayu. You are still comparing round peg to a square one. There are light-year miles of differences between Trumps & Bidens intents & actions.
This is just theater, like Benghazi. The goal is not to unearth any truths, its all about obfuscation & getting their ignorant core voters all worked up.
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The same poster was supporting George Santos a few weeks back
But of course everyone else is tribal
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Again you come on here w false statements. Show me a post where I supported Santos.
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[b][i] Bidens intents & actions[/i][/b]
OMG my bad – Shame on me for thinking a guy that spent decades as a US Senator and 8 years as VP didn’t know the law on possessing documents. Either that or he had his Corvette classified as a secure location.-
You are forgiven even while mischaracterizing the issue.
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Biden average approval back up over 44% for the first time since October 2021.
Most recent Yougov/Economist poll even has him above-water at 50%/47% for the first time in ages.
(I think the document stuff is of little import to the voters, but I suppose we can follow over the next few weeks. I think if the economy stays humming along with inflation dropping and the UE rate staying low all the docs stuff won’t add to much… and the GOP House is going to continue to make him look like the adult in the room.)
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Beginning of the end for Biden?
[link=https://twitter.com/chrisstigall/status/1615660476305707008?s=46&t=EFnPRbaB5zi11YJpOaaxUw]https://twitter.com/chris…EFnPRbaB5zi11YJpOaaxUw[/link]
Oh my. This is CNN this morning. pic.twitter.com/AUavna9Ayk
— Chris Stigall (@ChrisStigall) January 18, 2023
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?? a screenshot from CNN is the end of Biden??
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