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cool little piece …
“I wanted to convey that ‘yeah, it feels like 1979. But 1979 was [b]a lot[/b] worse.” Author Tom Nichols[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/inflation-economy-midterm-elections-2022/661354/]Why Does 2022 Feel Like 1979?
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[h1]It Feels Like 1979 Again[/h1] [b]But dont be fooled: 2022 is its own beast.[/b]Everything seems to be falling apart. The Russians are occupying a neighboring state. A foreign crisis is causing spikes in the price of oil. Inflation is the worst its been in some 40 years. A Democratic president is facing the lowest approval ratings of his term and has openly admitted that he knows the public is in a foul mood. A virus is on the loose and making a lot of people sick.
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The parallels with 1979 and 1980 are conspicuous as we head into the homestretch before midterms and the election sprint to 2024. President Joe Bidens supporters [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html]worry that he is no longer up to the job[/link], and that [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/17/biden-says-americans-like-his-poll-numbers-are-really-really-down/]his admission[/link] of the countrys mood could be his malaise moment, echoing Jimmy Carters infamous July 1979 speech. (Carter never actually said the word [i]malaise[/i] but might as well have when he blamed Americas sour mood on Americans.) Republicans are delighted at the comparisons; the Republican National Committee is even blasting out [link=https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1537108791786864647]a clever [i]Back to the Future[/i] parody image[/link] with Carter and Biden as Marty McFly and Doc Brown.
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Another difference from the 1970s is that America in 2022 is dealing with a labor shortage, with unemployment at 3.6 percent. In the summer of 1979, unemployment was at 6 percent and climbing. Many Americans think of the 1990s and 2000s as the end of the great manufacturing boom, but this, as I have [link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/the-american-obsession-with-decline/619656/]written about at length[/link], is the nostalgia of selective memory. Deindustrialization was well under way in the 1970s, and jobsas every Bruce Springsteen song of the time reminded youwere leaving us in despair outside the factory gates, trying to survive the [link=https://brucespringsteen.net/albums/darkness-on-the-edge-of-town]darkness on the edge of town[/link].
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This political dynamic, perhaps, is the greatest difference between the 1970s and the 2020s. The Cold War was terrifying, and while I am glad it is over, the existence of the Soviet Union and the existential conflict between East and West required the United States to be a serious country capable of making serious decisions. We might have worn [link=https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/beauty/fashion/g3583/worst-70s-fashion-trends/?slide=3]some silly clothes in 1979[/link] (dont ask me about the velour-trimmed tux I wore to a prom), but we were still, in the main, voting like sensible adults.…
We are better off by almost any measure in 2022 than we were in 1979 and 1980. (And, yes, I realize that many of you are thinking about the end of [i]Roe[/i] as a counterpoint. So am I.) But charlatans like Donald Trump and the Republican political remoras clinging to his belly are trying to convince us that we are reliving a nightmare. This is the same hallucination they sold, successfully, to millions of Americans in 2016. If they manage to get us to believe it one more time, then we will be complicit in the destruction of our own system of government.
It is our responsibility as citizens to take better stock of our priorities, and to ask if expensive gasoline and pricier milk are grounds to overthrow democracyor reasons to stay home while others vote to trash the Constitution. Trumps Republicans will try to promise Americans that the only way out of this bad-news déjà vu is by voting them into office. They are wrong. We can solve all of these problemsjust as we did after the 1970sbut only if we still exist as a constitutional republic.[/QUOTE]
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By now the WH staff should know that when they program the teleprompter for Biden, they can’t enter ‘speakers notes’ as he will just read them as part of the speech. If they want him to say a sentence twice, they need to put it in the speech twice.
Please tell me there is a backup plan.
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[h3][link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/29/is-biden-better-president-than-people-thought-00048654]Wait, Is Biden a Better President Than People Thought?[/link][/h3]
Suddenly, the mood is looking up. Manchins surprise decision to back $370 billion in tax credits to stimulate clean-energy technologies and other progressive environmental priorities came after many Democrats had concluded hope was pointless. Assuming the deal survives further legislative maneuvering in coming days not a forgone conclusion it invites a reappraisal of Bidens leadership. Maybe that isnt hopeless, either?
Following a pattern with long roots in his career, Biden is looking a little like the student who is failing his class for most of the semester, then pulls an all-nighter and slips the paper under the professors door at 6 a.m. It turns out the paper is actually pretty good. Theres no way hes getting an A for the term, but no fair grader would give him an F, either. A solid B is within reach.
…The latest turn of events also invites looking at Biden in the context of the larger rhythms of his professional life. Being left for dead, in political terms, is hardly a new experience for him. Perhaps those rhythms give him a kind of mystical confidence that things will come through for him in the end, even when others have lost all confidence in him.
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Not bad for a President with a stuttering problem, while Republicans made a hero of a President with actual Alzheimers.
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[h3][link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/29/is-biden-better-president-than-people-thought-00048654]Wait, Is Biden a Better President Than People Thought?[/link][/h3]
Suddenly, the mood is looking up. Manchins surprise decision to back $370 billion in tax credits to stimulate clean-energy technologies and other progressive environmental priorities came after many Democrats had concluded hope was pointless. Assuming the deal survives further legislative maneuvering in coming days not a forgone conclusion it invites a reappraisal of Bidens leadership. Maybe that isnt hopeless, either?
[/QUOTE]If the ability to spend trillions of dollars that we don’t have are a measure of how good a president someone is, then yes, his performance is orgasmic.
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If the ability to spend trillions of dollars that we don’t have are a measure of how good a president someone is, then yes, his performance is orgasmic.
Did you honestly just say this after watching the past 3 of 4 republican presidents ( Reagan, GW Bush and Trump) spend more than any other prior presidents in our history
Ignorance must be bliss
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An axiom, spending & deficits are only noticed by republicans for democratic administrations, never for republican administrations. Remember Supply-side.
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Jill and I send our thoughts to President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump for a swift recovery. We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the president and his family.
Joe Biden, [link=https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1312010736604979201]on Oct 2, 2020[/link].
Joe Bidens second bout of Covid, sometimes referred to as the China Virus, was sadly misdiagnosed by his doctors. He instead has Dementia, but is happily recovering well. Joe is thinking of moving, part time, to one of those beautiful Wisconsin Nursing Homes, where almost 100% of the residents miraculously, and for the first time in history, had the strength and energy to vote even if those votes were cast illegally. Get well soon, Joe!
Donald Trump, [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/watch-trump-mocks-biden-dementia-covid-truth-social]on July 31, 2022[/link].
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Everyone accept the rural uneducated wants trump to just go away
Trump having a hard time accepting the writing on the wall
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Trump is a garbage person.
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Basically pulling the wool over your eyes
Republicans spend as much or more than democrats
Democrats at least try to pay for it
Republicans just put it on the charge card and preach
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Dergon is at least honest that tax&spend is the key performance measure of a democratic president.
From the rest it’s just spittle hitting the monitor.
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Do you disagree that republicans spend more than democrats?
I mean. I know it sounds real good to say that but you are obviously forgetting 3 of the last 4 republican presidents spent more than any of their predecessors
Its a good talking point
Kinda like gas prices are high because Biden killed the keystone pipeline (which would not be functional anyway until at least 2029)
Great talking point if you are babbling it to a dummy
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Generally, Republicans don’t consider unfunded tax cuts to be “spending” … nor do they consider unfunded military interventions to be “spending”
For my Republican friends it’s only *real* spending when it’s on government programs.
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Dergon is at least honest that tax&spend is the key performance measure of a democratic president.
From the rest it’s just spittle hitting the monitor.
The honesty missing is that Republicans are all about “borrow and spend.” That has been the GOP policy since Reagan and doubled/tripled down on by the Bush iI administration where Dick Cheney explicitly stated, “What Reagan proved was that deficits don’t matter.” And let’s recall, that administration opened 2 theaters of war on borrowed Chinese money as raising taxes to fight wars was verboten & could cause Americans to ask questions. Can’t have that!
RE “spittle,” it is Republican spittle looking for rationalizations on Republican borrowing & spending.
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Unfortunately republicans live a state of fiction where the mythical keystone pipeline that trump built would have already dropped gas prices several dollars a gallon
Even though the keystone pipeline would not be functional for years
But its not about being honest it is about owning the libs
Even with fictional talking points
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Unfortunately republicans live a state of fiction where the mythical keystone pipeline that trump built would have already dropped gas prices several dollars a gallon
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And of course
Republicans spending doesnt count
Trump gave out the covid stimulus and the Cares act in which many businesses essentially stole free government money
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Biden gives a smaller stimulus which republicans railed about
Its just Bullpoookie
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[h1][b]Joe Biden has disappointed everyone[/b][/h1]
[h2][b]But he is making progress anyway[/b][/h2]
[link=https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/08/04/joe-biden-has-disappointed-everyone]The Economist[/link]:When joe biden bangs on about bipartisanship and compromising, some Democrats roll their eyes, thinking him out of touch with modern politics. But the accumulating evidence suggests he understands how to make progress better than they do.
That may not strengthen his political standing in the short term, but it holds out some hope for his presidency, and American governance, over the long haul.
After a midsummer burst of Senate affirmation, Mr Biden can point to a series of bipartisan accomplishments, now including a bill to subsidize Americas [link=https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/07/29/america-takes-on-china-with-a-giant-microchips-bill]semiconductor industry[/link] on top of the first [link=https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/06/13/americas-senators-manage-to-reach-a-deal-on-gun-control]gun-safety legislation[/link] in almost 30 years and a $1.2trn infrastructure law, achievements that by definition are also a credit to Republicans. Mr Bidens patience for talks and tolerance for compromise, not qualities associated with the previous president, have also yielded breakthroughs (for now, within his party) on fighting climate change and restraining drug costs.
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I think what Biden is doing is staying out of the way and let congress do some work
His best attribute is not getting into the the day to day jabs of the other party
The last president couldnt let a day go by without getting in a Twitter fight with an obscure actor or politician from the other side
Biden is actually getting sheet done
One little step at a time
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[link=https://outoftheordinary.substack.com/p/this-is-why-politics-matters]Simon Bazelton[/link]:
As I write this, its 6:00 am Eastern time, and 3:00 am on the west coast, where I am. The U.S. Senate is approaching the seventh hour of the vote-a-rama process, as they continue to debate the Inflation Reduction Act. The world is asleep, except for the Senators, their staff, a few determined reporters, and a couple politics junkies like me
A few months ago, it looked like Biden was facing a legislatively failed presidency, with little in the way of a lasting legacy on domestic policy. Today, it seems likely that were going to get:
[ul][*]An economic rescue plan that has helped lead to the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years[*][*]A major investment in American infrastructure, that doubled as an impressive display of bipartisanship[*][*]The first significant gun safety legislation in more than a decade[*][*]Electoral Count Act reform, on a bipartisan basis[*][*]A $280 billion dollar investment in semiconductor manufacturing, as well as American science[*][*]The confirmation of the first Black woman to the Supreme Court[*][*]The Inflation Reduction Act [/ul]
For a 50-50 Senate, thats pretty damn impressive.
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Brandon surely appreciates the shows of support from all the supporters shouting & displaying their Lets go Brandon! messages. Its working.
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Weird storm is brewing
Republicans stuck on lies and snarky names and being obstructionist
Democrats slowly mobilizing over guns and abortion and getting some sheet actually done
Gas prices coming down.
Inflation still crushing the middle
I still think republicans easily carry the house but the senate is looking good
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Maybe were seeing Morning in America finally after Reagans twilight & Trumps midnight in America.
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Nice find dergon. Great analysis. I would say all of that success is based on being pragmatic. Biden the moderate all of my democrat friends hoped he would be.
Have to give a hefty dose of thanks to Manchin.
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Yeah. Pragmatic in a purely political “what is the biggest amount of stuff I can get done given my slim majority, political polarization, and centrists members of my own coalition?” and then getting it done kind of way.
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[h1]The politics of making history[/h1]
[link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/08/07/the-politics-of-making-history-00050228?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0ed-dd93-ad7f-f8edad790000&nlid=630318]Playbook[/link]: [b]Passage of the Inflation Reduction Act will make Biden one of the most legislatively successful presidents of the modern era.[/b] We once noted that the mismatch between the size of Bidens ambitions and his margins in Congress made it seem like he was trying to pass a Rhinoceros through a garden hose. It ended up being more like a pony, but its still pretty impressive
Thats a nearly $3.5 trillion agenda. The scope of the issues addressed is notable: the pandemic and its economic fallout, highways, bridges, broadband, rail, manufacturing, science, prescription drug prices, health insurance, climate change, deficit reduction and tax equity.
He also expanded NATO, passed a new gun safety law and passed a bill to address the effects of vets exposed to toxic burn pits. Five out of seven of these laws all but the two biggies, the ARP and IRA received significant Republican support.
Theres not much debate anymore over whether Biden has been a consequential president. In the long run, his first two years may be remembered as akin to LBJ when it comes to moving his agenda through Congress.
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But hunter Biden
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Chiro you should read dergons last post. Biden is being given and I assume taking credit for 3.5 trillion in spending. An agenda. Im supportive of most of it. However, to say that this is in no way responsible for inflation is ignorant. We make choices and they have consequences. Inflation is one of the downsides to putting trillions of dollars into the economy for free. Was it the right thing to do? Sure. Just dont try to take credit both ways.
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Well he protected the carried interest provision for hedge fund bros. So there is that.
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[link=https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/]https://projects.fivethir…biden-approval-rating/[/link]
538 average Biden approval now 41.5%
that’s 4 full points up from the bottom of 37.5% before the Dobbs decision overturning Roe and before the string of legislative wins and before the streak of gas price declines.
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Hes been dropping some zingers lately.
Like the spice coming out of the WH.
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[b]Democrats Warm to Biden Again[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.axios.com/2022/08/30/biden-democrats-midterms-polls-campaigns]Axios[/link]: For most of the summer, the president was persona non grata for nearly any Democrat running in a tough race this November. But thats beginning to change.
Democratic gubernatorial nominee Josh Shapiro and Rep. Matt Cartwright will appear at a Biden event Tuesday in Wilkes- Barre, Pa.
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Tim Ryan was really walking the ropes on not supporting the student debt relief.
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Tim Ryan was really walking the ropes on not supporting the student debt relief.
Not really. No chance a Dem changes their vote. Good chance a moderate Republican or independent does.
Don’t worry. Ryan will play for the team. Has to get elected first.
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[h2][b]Biden, in prime-time address, says Trump and MAGA Republicans are mounting a dangerous attack on the countrys values, and Americans must fight back[/b][/h2] Bidens speech, outside Philadelphias Independence Hall, was a remarkable assessment from a sitting president that the fabric of American governance is under serious threat we do ourselves no favors to pretend otherwise, he said. While Biden did not name Republicans other than the former president, he warned of election deniers who have won Republican primaries and those who have sought to overturn legitimate elections.
We are still at our core a democracy yet history tells us that blind loyalty to a single leader, and the willingness to engage in political violence, is fatal to democracy, Biden said. There is no question that the Republican Party is dominated, driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans.
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Biden sought to frame the current moment as one of the tests that has periodically arisen in American history. It is one of those moments that determines the shape of everything that comes after, and now America must choose to move forward or to move backwards, Biden said. This is a nation that believes in the rule of law. We do not repudiate it. This is a nation that respects free and fair elections. We honor the will of the people, we do not deny it.
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F09%2F01%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fbiden-trump.html]New York Times[/link]: Mr. Biden has dispensed with the unity message, at least for now, reaching into the 2020 file cabinet and bringing out the call to win a battle for the soul of this nation that was the cornerstone of his successful election.The immediate strategy is self-evident. Rather than a referendum on his own presidency, which has been hurt by high inflation and low public morale, Mr. Biden wants to make the election a choice between normal and an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic, as he put it on Thursday.
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fnews%2Fmagazine%2F2022%2F09%2F01%2Ftrump-biden-relationship-2024-00054535]Rich Lowry[/link]: Trump and Biden compensate for each others problems, and they are effectively working together to get Trump nominated which Trump wants because its the necessary precondition for winning a second term and Biden wants because Trump would be the riskiest GOP candidate in a general election.Its not the most edifying relationship. Indeed, its a de facto partnership toward a demoralizing rerun of 2020. But neither Trump nor Biden is as likely to get where they want to go without the other.
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Angry old man yells at cloud.
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Unity!
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Biden is fighting 2024 2 years early, recognizing his “unity” message was used as toilet paper by Republicans, at best.
The irony from GQP Republicans is complaining that Biden is not Milquetoast while wiping themselves with his old unity message. Identical retread of their complaints about Obama being the “most divisive” president everrrr. Now it’s Biden. Always about stoking their resentment.
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Biden is fighting 2024 2 years early, recognizing his “unity” message was used as toilet paper by Republicans, at best.
The irony from GQP Republicans is complaining that Biden is not Milquetoast while wiping his old unity message. Identical retread of their complaints about Obama being the “most divisive” president ever. Now it’s Biden. Always about stoking their resentment.
Well, it’s worked for 25+ years since before Clinton murdered Vince Foster, why stop now.
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Talk about getting triggered
These MAGA republicans are so used to labeling the democrats as Marxist socialist communist etc
The truth hurts really bad
Biden basically doing what he did to Putin before the Ukraine invasion
Just calling a spade a spade
You can tell by the trumpers and the apologist on this board how triggered they are
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Talk about getting triggered
These MAGA republicans are so used to labeling the democrats as Marxist socialist communist etc
The truth hurts really bad
Biden basically doing what he did to Putin before the Ukraine invasion
Just calling a spade a spade
You can tell by the trumpers and the apologist on this board how triggered they are
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How things change – & not.
Biden stressed how he was criticizing MAGA Republicans specifically & not ALL Republicans. Hillary did the same saying 1/2 of all Trump supporters were deplorables for their support & beliefs.
But the argument is that they both were/are calling ALL Republicans deplorable Fascists?
If Republicans see no difference how & why should the rest of us see any difference? How nuanced are Trump supporters & support?
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fnews%2Fmagazine%2F2022%2F09%2F01%2Ftrump-biden-relationship-2024-00054535]Rich Lowry[/link]: Trump and Biden compensate for each others problems, and they are effectively working together to get Trump nominated which Trump wants because its the necessary precondition for winning a second term and Biden wants because Trump would be the riskiest GOP candidate in a general election.Its not the most edifying relationship. Indeed, its a de facto partnership toward a demoralizing rerun of 2020. But neither Trump nor Biden is as likely to get where they want to go without the other.
depressing, but probably correct.
I didn’t watch the speech, but was this a “basket of deplorables” moment? You know, fires up your base with righteous indignation, your opponents the same, but the question is what does it do to whatever remains of the middle?
For me, it deepens my cynicism regarding US politics.
At this point, I basically am not voting Republican due to a few specific issues (opposition to healthcare reform [including the ACA, which we desperately needed], extremism on abortion, a few other things). But I’m not excited about voting Democrat either.-
Fascists piss on the first amendment by telling Facebook and Twitter to censor the very real Hunter Biden laptop story weeks prior to the presidential election
You are quit confused and very very triggered
Social media and political smear jobs are just day to day trolling
Fascism is
white supremacy
Brownshirts of January 6th
Calling for civil war
Spreading election lies
Forcing 12 yr old incest victims to have babies
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Meanwhile people like chiro get their panties all in a bunch and march and riot because we don’t want pornographic books in our elementary school’s libraries and call us fascists for it.
Dr Seuss is pornogrphic?
Catcher in the rye?
1984?
The Great Gatsby, by F. Scott Fitzgerald.
The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck.
To Kill a Mockingbird, by Harper Lee.
The Color Purple, by Alice Walker.
Ulysses, by James Joyce.
Beloved, by Toni Morrison.
The Lord of the Flies, by William Golding.
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Again I reiterate
The truth hurts and triggers these MAGA Republicans
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At this point, I basically am not voting Republican due to a few specific issues (opposition to healthcare reform [including the ACA, which we desperately needed], extremism on abortion, a few other things). But I’m not excited about voting Democrat either.
“Excited?”
Is that a qualification requirement? In my 50+ years of voting I can think of only 1 candidate with whom I had been excited & that was Obama, a middle-of-the-road Democrat/Liberal but he did successfully give us the ACA. Kennedy excited me but I was too young & he was murdered. As was his brother who also excited me, also murdered at the start of his campaign. But there’s always something about the rest who followed, none of whom were “exciting” in any good way.
Name 1 president who was ever “exciting.”
I’m not looking for exciting, just good government and ideas. Who among the Republicans believe in good Federal government? I mean what Republican believes in governing who has a snowball’s chance in hell of being nominated much less getting elected for governing? Cheney (let’s not hold Daddy too much against her just for this argument)? Romney? Kinzinger? Anyone else I am missing who believes in good governing? anyone with better than a snowball’s chance in hell of getting nominated? Elected for good government beliefs over “Q” beliefs?
Republicans believe in insurgency and opposing good government. Trump & Trumpers have proven that beyond any doubt.
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But all Biden is doing is telling the truth
Fascist coddle white supremacy
Fascist try to re-write history and cry about critical race theory which really isnt taught
Fascist attempt to outlaw certain books in school
Fascist take womens rights from them
I can go on and on
Like I said Biden is just telling the truth and truth hurts them and triggers them as you can see from this thread. The trumper and the turn your head hold your nose trump apologist got really triggered by Bidens comments
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I did not vote for Trump in ’16 but did in ’20. I will hopefully vote for Ron DeSantis in ’24. If Trump and Biden (or Harris) are the candidates in ’24, I will begrudgingly vote Trump. I was horrified while watching January 6th go down, and was praying Trump would do something to stop the mob. I was relieved when it turned out that relatively little happened that day. Am I a “MAGA Republican”?
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Fascists piss on the first amendment by telling Facebook and Twitter to censor the very real Hunter Biden laptop story weeks prior to the presidential election.
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Fascists try to rewrite history is damn true. Like the current administration taking credit for getting schools back open. When this administration worked behind the scenes with teachers unions who demanded schools stay shut.
Fascists try to rewrite history is damn true. Like when Biden all of the sudden is trying to rewrite history acting like his party is the party that is pro-police and tough on crime. When his VP was publicly raising money to bail rioters out of jail. And democrat district attorneys across the country regularly allow dangerous violent criminals out on no cash bail or don’t prosecute them at all. And while his entire party was screaming to defund the police. Pure trash.
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Whoever choreographed this really did a good job. Some of the best orators in history used that kind of setup with the flanking soldiers for campaign speeches.
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Meanwhile people like chiro get their panties all in a bunch and march and riot because we don’t want pornographic books in our elementary school’s libraries and call us fascists for it.
I think this quote explains today’s Republicans best. Everyone else is a pedophile and groomer, whether in pizza parlors or libraries or schools.
Sick minds. What’s missing from the so-called “moderate” Republicans is loud opposition against the “Q” Republicans who spread these lies and poison propaganda.
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I posted a small sample of books banned by red states
Please show me the pornography or indoctrination in them
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No serious person wants those books on your list banned. The Dr. Seuss book was canceled by wokes. If nything, I could see Democrats trying to ban 1984, because they are treating it like a playbook on how to govern.
I can send you examples of the specific types of books we dont want on our kids school library shelves.
Things like this book, Gender Queer. Heres an excerpt . Sorry not sorry if I dont want my nine-year-old reading this.
[link=https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1565182127053815808?s=21&t=f4TIea_Ydfps-8n-ie8dUQ]https://twitter.com/sarah…f4TIea_Ydfps-8n-ie8dUQ[/link]
WHO TALKS TO THEIR SIBLING LIKE THIS pic.twitter.com/TPIUXoyE4e
— Sarah Beth Burwick (@sarahbeth345) September 1, 2022
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Triggered & spittle.
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Over the top nonsense. As for Gender Queer being read by your child, you think genders & sex preferences are chosen?
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Like clothing or hairstyles?
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April 1, 2022 Burbank CA school district banned to Kill a Mockingbird. CA is hardly a red state and Burbank is not an enclave of Republicans. That’s OK Chiro if you were confused that CA is a red state. So was Gov. Newsome when he was blaming others when it was going on his state.
[h2][size=”2″][b]California Gov. Gavin Newsom tries to mock conservative book bans by posing with stack of titles – including ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ which was actually banned by progressives in his own state (Daily Mail)[/b][/size][/h2]
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Great retort as usual Chiro. He points out how the point you tried to make was entirely incorrect and it backfired, and your only response is to do your typical dung slinging. Bravo.
Re: That book Gender Queer being over the top nonsense: What do you mean? Thats the kind of stuff were trying to protect our children from in their school libraries. You have a problem with that? Do I think that book should be burned or not allowed to be published/sold? No, not at all. Just dont make it available freely to my child. Do you think it should be on elementary school library shelves? Yes or no.
Re: do I think gender and sex preference is chosen?
I think people are born homosexual or heterosexual. I do not think, in general, that it is a choice.
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Re: That book Gender Queer being over the top nonsense: What do you mean? Thats the kind of stuff were trying to protect our children from in their school libraries. You have a problem with that? Do I think that book should be burned or not allowed to be published/sold? No, not at all. Just dont make it available freely to my child. Do you think it should be on elementary school library shelves? Yes or no.
Why oh why would Gender Queer be an elementary school reading assignment??? That’s the 1st question. I have strong doubts that a grade schooler who is not concerned with their gender would find it compelling, challenging or dangerous. Or interesting.
Have you read it or is this another example of Salmon Rushdie;s Satanic Verses? (No, I did not read it but I’ve been told it is evil so it must be banned!”)
If my high schooler came home with the book I would ask about it. Just as I would if they brought home Mockingbird or Huck Finn.
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All the gender stuff is stupid. If you are XX you are biological female, and if you are XY, you are biological male. Of course there are medical conditions that are rare outliers which bring some nuance to the conversation.
Do I think Rachel Levine is a biological male? Yes. Do I care what Rachel Levine and similar others call themselves? No. Do I think Rachel Levine or similar should have the current position he/she/they have, or should be able to live the way they want or marry who they want? Yes. Should Lia Thomas be allowed to swim against biological females? No. Should children be allowed to medically/surgically transition? No.
Damn Im extreme and a danger to our democracy.
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No serious person wants those books on your list banned.
Can you add to that list the following
No serious person wants a 12 yr old rape victim to not be allowed to have an abort
No serious person is a proud boy
No serious person is a 3 percenter
No serious person thinks the 2020 election was stolen
No serious person believes this Q-Anon sheet
So now maybe you see Bidens point of MAGA republicans
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I didn’t watch the speech, but was this a “basket of deplorables” moment
Biden was clear to make a distinction between the Maga Republicans and the rest of the Republican Party
But yeah if you support or enable or are cowed by Trump you are part of the threat to democracy
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No serious person wants a 12 yr old rape victim to not be allowed to have an abort
Agree
No serious person is a proud boy
Ive heard the term but dont know what they are so I doubt Im a proud boy. No serious person is antifa.
No serious person is a 3 percenter
Same as above.
No serious person thinks the 2020 election was stolen
I think Biden won. Russian collusion in 16 was definitely real though, right? you were allowed to question potential election irregularities then, correct?
No serious person believes this Q-Anon sheet
I dont know anything about QAnon. Is that pizza gate crap?
So now maybe you see Bidens point of MAGA republicans.
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There it is. Dergon said it. If you voted for Trump you are a threat to democracy.
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Uhmmm for every several thousand proud boys and 3 percenters
There is 1 transgender athlete
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You forgot about Charlottesville and January 6th so soon?
Of course you did that would be inconvenient
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BLM rioters and Antifa rioters are a threat to our democracy. Self proclaimed communists and socialists are a threat to our democracy.
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I was describing the theme of the Biden remarks – here is applicable passage of the speech:
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.
Now, I want to be very clear (applause) very clear up front: Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology.
I know because Ive been able to work with these mainstream Republicans.
But there is no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans, and that is a threat to this country.
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here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people.
They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And theyre working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.
MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love.
They promote authoritarian leaders, and they fan the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.
They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6th brutally attacking law enforcement not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger to the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots.
And they see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.
They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, theyre determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.
Thats why respected conservatives, like Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Luttig, has called Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans, quote, a clear and present danger to our democracy.
But while the threat to American democracy is real, I want to say as clearly as we can: We are not powerless in the face of these threats. We are not bystanders in this ongoing attack on democracy.
There are far more Americans far more Americans from every from every background and belief who reject the extreme MAGA ideology than those that accept it.
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MAGA Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies.
But together together, we can choose a different path. We can choose a better path. Forward, to the future. A future of possibility. A future to build and dream and hope.
And were on that path, moving ahead.
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BLM rioters and Antifa rioters are a threat to our democracy. Self proclaimed communists and socialists are a threat to our democracy.
If anti fascist antifa stand against racism and white supremacy then I stand with them
Absolutely
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All the gender stuff is stupid. If you are XX you are biological female, and if you are XY, you are biological male. Of course there are medical conditions that are rare outliers which bring some nuance to the conversation.
Do I think Rachel Levine is a biological male? Yes. Do I care what Rachel Levine and similar others call themselves? No. Do I think Rachel Levine or similar should have the current position he/she/they have, or should be able to live the way they want or marry who they want? Yes. Should Lia Thomas be allowed to swim against biological females? No. Should children be allowed to medically/surgically transition? No.
Damn Im extreme and a danger to our democracy.
OK, your opinion not shared by many, maybe most people.
I frankly do not think it necessary to tell a person to show me their genitals to ensure they are dressed properly or entering the correct bathroom or how I must address them regardless of how they want to be addressed. Who the fluck cares? It’s their lives, their right to live it how they please & absolutely no skin off my nose if they prefer “they” or she even if she has a penis or he if he has a vagina. I am not interested in telling them they have to prove their pronoun.-
Look at that. Frumi and one of his arch enemies think the same thing. Who would have known unless they asked each other and each listened to the others response.
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Stock much?
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Stock much?
I forgot to say how funny this was. Well done.
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Do you stalk frumi
Its really weird
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OK, your opinion not shared by many, maybe most people.
Which opinion, specifically?
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Which opinion, specifically?
Your white nationalist vs antifa opinion for starters
For starters
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Re: my discussion on sexuality and gender, Frumious said: OK, your opinion not shared by many, maybe most people.
Which opinion, specifically?
I frankly do not think it necessary to tell a person to show me their genitals to ensure they are dressed properly or entering the correct bathroom
Do you want Lia Thomas walking around with her female penis and testes exposed at the YMCA when your eight-year-old daughter is putting her swimsuit on?
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Youve expressed a number of ideas many do not agree with, including me.
But perhaps explain the initial disagreement, why Gender Queer makes you act so queer. What is the problem of having the book available to children to read? Why must it be banned?
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This is not an apples to apples argument
The white supremacist like the proud boys and 3 percenters and the other white nationalists are a true threat to our way of life
If anti fascists stand against these types then by all means count me in
Thats why I proudly served and defended this country
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BLM rioters and Antifa rioters are a threat to our democracy.No. Not all protest or civil unrest is a threat to democracy.
Fascism and the anti-democratic forces rising within a part of the GOP is
Self proclaimed communists and socialists are a threat to our democracy.
No. Socialists and communists represent a vanishingly small number in our country and are not a threat. (Democratic socialists are not socialists and they work *within* our democratic system )
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The republicans are doubling down on the white supremacy and crazy conspiracy, lies and anger
And the democrats are doubling down on calling them out
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Philip Bump does the math and finds that about 10% of the U.S. population plus or minus a few percentage points favor of the positions of what President Biden called MAGA Republicans.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/02/trump-republicans-biden-maga/]https://www.washingtonpos…epublicans-biden-maga/[/link]
Over and over, about 10 percent of the population (plus or minus a few percentage points) expresses the sort of view that Biden articulated: Republican or Republican-leaning and in favor of the positions he associated with MAGA.
If one agrees with Biden that this group poses a threat to American democracy, it is reassuring that it constitutes a tenth of the public and not, as Bidens detractors had it half.-
lol chiro thinks everyone is a white supremacist.
Theres a reason I blocked you in the past. I need to do it again.
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Biden asks for 13.7 billion more aid for Ukraine.
But how much for the big guy?
Hunter Bidens business dealings and his fathers involvement are a threat to our democracy.
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Everything but fascism
BLM, antifa, socialists, communists, Hunter Biden all a threat to democracy
But not the fascists who actually attempted to and are currently actively attempting to overthrow our democracy
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Everything but fascism
BLM, antifa, socialists, communists, Hunter Biden all a threat to democracy
But not the fascists who actually attempted to and are currently actively attempting to overthrow our democracy
:rolleyes:+++
Wonder why Fascism is being missed?
There are good people who are racists & Fascist I guess is the reason.
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lol chiro thinks everyone is a white supremacist.
There are thousands of more times white supremacist than there are transgender athletes
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Biden asks for 13.7 billion more aid for Ukraine.
But how much for the big guy?
As much as it takes to depose an authoritarian hero of the new American right
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April 1, 2022 Burbank CA school district banned to Kill a Mockingbird. CA is hardly a red state and Burbank is not an enclave of Republicans. That’s OK Chiro if you were confused that CA is a red state. So was Gov. Newsome when he was blaming others when it was going on his state.
[h2][size=”2″][b]California Gov. Gavin Newsom tries to mock conservative book bans by posing with stack of titles – including ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ which was actually banned by progressives in his own state (Daily Mail)[/b][/size][/h2]Whoop de doo. Old news about Harper Lee’s book.
[link=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels[/link]
[link=https://reason.com/2022/08/18/to-kill-a-mockingbird/]https://reason.com/2022/08/18/to-kill-a-mockingbird/[/link]
And Burbank is 1 district in a very large state. So cherry pick all you want, Burbank out of all the Blue districts in the country.
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Worth a watch from the liberal redneck on Bidens speech
[link=https://twitter.com/traecrowder/status/1565809538925662209?s=21&t=LZb_gRHDeaDxU9_ppchxKw]https://twitter.com/traec…LZb_gRHDeaDxU9_ppchxKw[/link]
ON JOE BIDEN OFFENDING THE AMERICAN RIGHT BY SAYING DEMOCRACY IS GOOD pic.twitter.com/RF07gHfXif
— Trae Crowder (@traecrowder) September 2, 2022
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But perhaps explain the initial disagreement, why Gender Queer makes you act so queer. What is the problem of having the book available to children to read? Why must it be banned?
I know nothing of that book other than the short excerpt I linked. One sister was telling the other gender queer sister to taste her own vagina slime. Not appropriate for elementary students no matter if it was gay straight trans or whatever. Agree?
Answer my female penis/testes in your female child’s locker room question, please? Good with it?
How about biological male prisoners with functioning male reproductive organs insisting on being housed amongst biological female prisoners?
These are not hypotheticals. “Progressive” democrats are pushing for these things. This is not hyperbole, or conspiracy, or lie. It happens.-
What elementary schools would have it as a reading assignment?
Transgenders in my childrens classes including gym are not an issue. You act as if transgenders are not genuine, they are pretending for sexual predatory purposes. Are you still talking about elementary school children?
As for prisoners, I think you are just phobic about transgenders, as if its all an act of pretending.
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[link=https://oldgoats.substack.com/p/biden-at-the-barricades?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email]Jonathan Alter[/link]:
[h1]Biden at the Barricades[/h1] [b]Biden finally recognized that his gauzy message of unity was obsolete amid the Democracy Crisis. So he jettisoned it in favor of the unvarnished truth.[/b]
Biden was basically saying, You are either with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution that were written just behind methats usor you are with the political terrorists who use fear and threats of violence to get their way. Theres no middle ground.
…When Biden first started calling Trumpsters MAGA Republicans, I thought it was too soft and abstract. I was wrong. The term simultaneously recognizes that the threat will last longer than Trump himself and leaves room for respecting patriotic Republicans. It will live in the American political lexicon forever.
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A Biden-Trump rematch, in absentia, since neither is on the ballot in 2022, looks good for Democrats. Biden leads Trump by six points in a[b][link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-midterm-prospects-improve-as-races-heat-up-wsj-poll-finds-11662024601] new [/link][/b][i][b][link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-midterm-prospects-improve-as-races-heat-up-wsj-poll-finds-11662024601]Wall Street Journal [/link][/b][/i][b][link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-midterm-prospects-improve-as-races-heat-up-wsj-poll-finds-11662024601]poll[/link][/b], which also shows independents trending toward the Democrats. Thats because wedge politicsusing an emotional issue to energize supporters and divide the other partyworks, even in an uncertain economy. It was once a Republican speciality. Now the Big Wedge is wielded by Democrats. It seems that democracy, of all things, has the potential to deliver some stinging losses to the GOP.
An instinct for democracy can also help create unscripted, authentic moments that people remember. When a protester in Philadelphia first started shouting at the president through a bullhorn, I was hoping someone would politely escort him out of earshot. Biden knew better. He deftly incorporated the heckling into his message: Theyre entitled to be outrageous. This is a democracy. And then he tapped into the sense of decency that powers the pro-democracy movement: Good manners is nothing theyve ever suffered from. Perfect.
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The president was right to strike a hopeful tone. Even when it rang false (Ive never been more optimistic about Americas future), he grasped the importance of connecting Americans to our idealized version of ourselves.
For years, Biden has ended his speeches by saying And may God protect our troops. Now, with the war in Afghanistan over and a new crisis looming at home, he has amended that. He concluded the most important speech of his presidency this way:
And may God protect our nation. And may God protect all those who stand watch over our democracy. God bless you all.
Then one final word:
Democracy.
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