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  • btomba_77

    Member
    November 6, 2021 at 6:00 am

    [link=https://email.punchbowl.news/t/ViewEmailArchive/t/40AA4FF89B2D3B492540EF23F30FEDED/C67FD2F38AC4859C/]Punchbowl News[/link]: Once again, Biden owes a massive debt of gratitude to House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn and the Congressional Black Caucus the same forces that helped carry him to the presidency. The veteran South Carolina Democrat intervened at a decisive moment and helped convince warring moderates and progressives to come to the table and negotiate.
     
    Pelosi spent hours in the Gold Room off the House floor, dialing a list of lawmakers, looking to broker the deal. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer frequently met with Pelosi. Clyburn had the direct line to the president; he spoke to Biden on Friday evening. Lawmakers in and around leadership cycled in and out of the Gold Room to chat with Pelosi. Reps. Katherine Clark (D-MA), David Cicilline (D-RI) and Jamie Raskin (D-MD) were all in with Pelosi as the leadership tried to wrap this agreement up. This group also shuttled over to the Longworth House Office Building to meet with progressives, helping cinch the deal.
     

    • satyanar

      Member
      November 6, 2021 at 7:35 am

      Got a no vote out of AOC. Makes him look more moderate. This is good for him.

      • satyanar

        Member
        November 6, 2021 at 7:37 am

        And look there. Didnt have to paired with the reconciliation bill. This is also good for him. Separates himself from the progressives.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          November 6, 2021 at 8:13 am

          Quote from Thread Killer

          And look there. Didnt have to paired with the reconciliation bill. This is also good for him. Separates himself from the progressives.

          sort of ..
           
          house also moved a rule to vote on recon bill too last night
           
           

  • satyanar

    Member
    November 6, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    I figured there was a sort of in there. I dont follow as closely as some. I just didnt see any reporting that they were passed together the way the progressives had been saying was necessary.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    November 19, 2021 at 8:33 am

    Jonathan Bernstein
    [h3][link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-19/build-back-better-house-democrats-in-disarray-are-getting-things-done?srnd=premium]What Disarray? Democrats Are Getting Stuff Done[/link][/h3]

    The finish line is still weeks away; the Senate is expected to make significant changes, after which the bill will return to the House for what should be final passage. Still, the vote amounted to more vindication of the two-bill strategy the Democrats adopted, which has already produced an infrastructure bill signed into law with bipartisan support. Its unlikely that either the most liberal or more moderate House Democrats would have voted for the bill on Friday without reasonable confidence that all 50 Democratic senators are willing to go along.


    Could the whole thing still fall apart? Sure. The House shouldnt be a problem; after having voted yes on Friday (and in preliminary votes even earlier) theres little incentive to kill the bill when it returns. But all it takes is a single Democratic senator to bring everything down. Still, it does seem unlikely that events would have reached this stage without some confidence that Manchin and Sinema would be on board, and one would imagine that those senators would have given more of an indication long before now if they intended to oppose final passage. Which gets back to the point about shared incentives: Even as both Manchin and Sinema have strong electoral incentives to establish themselves as clearly more moderate than the party, they also have incentives for the party to thrive overall.
     
    So it sure looks likely that some version of Build Back Better, modified by the Senate, will wind up passing. And if that happens, this will have been (for better or worse) one of the most productive Congresses in a long time. With one year remaining to do more.

    [/QUOTE]
     

    • ruszja

      Member
      December 2, 2021 at 6:44 am

      Confabulation strikes again. Biden repeats his claim that he drove an 18-wheeler.

      Who is going to be on your 2024 ticket ? We know it’s not Harris. Maybe Koons ?

      • alyaa.rifaie_129

        Member
        December 2, 2021 at 11:08 am

        Shouldn’t he resign. Based on his own statements that when Trump had 220K deaths any POTUS should resign. He has passed that death count and he had vaccines.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    January 6, 2022 at 2:43 pm

    From your lips to god’s ears …

    [h1]Joe Bidens January 6 Speech Is a Turning Point For His Presidency[/h1] [h2]Bidens forceful condemnation of Trump reminded the public that the choice is between democracy and authoritarian rule.[/h2] [link=https://newrepublic.com/article/164943/joe-biden-january-6-speech-donald-trump?fbclid=IwAR2adyiC_JfPItUsdVDAdwXGBGekDiiV6Fy6PWp4cVVF3kr9ksO53xpdtzI]Walter Shapiro[/link]: 

    Just a handful of sentences into his speech commemorating the insurrection a year ago on January 6, President Joe Biden unveiled the biggest political decision of his presidency.
     
    Instead of tiptoeing around the specter of Donald Trump, Biden went after the former president directly with an intensity unparalleled in modern political memory. For the first time in our history, a president had not just lost an election, Biden declared, his voice dripping with anger. He tried to prevent a peaceful transfer of power as a violent mob reached the Capitol.

    Biden had the option of speaking obliquely about Trump and his Republican enablers. Thats the route that Kamala Harris, under obvious constraints not to upstage Biden, took in her introductory remarks. On January 6, the vice president declared, we all saw what our nation would look like if the forces who seek to dismantle our democracy are successfulthe lawlessness, the violence, the chaos.  

    There is a temptation on the part of Democratic candidates and strategists to run another cookie-cutter campaign in 2022 talking about economics and fighting for working families. While the uneasiness caused by the pandemic and inflation have to be part of Democratic appeal, it cannot obscure the struggle to uphold democracy and demand accountability for last January 6.
    At the beginning of his speech in Statuary Hall of the Capitol, Biden referred to a nearby sculpture of Clio, the muse of history. It was an appropriate lead-in to the way that Biden made history with his brutal honesty about the insurrectionist events of a year ago in the Capitol and the White House.
     
    Whatever the long-term political verdict, Biden deserves major plaudits for his courage in calling out Trump for deliberately triggering the worst attack on the Capitol since the British in 1814.

    [/QUOTE]
     

    • satyanar

      Member
      January 6, 2022 at 9:38 pm

      Sounds like a really good speech. I have not had a chance to listen yet but I will.
       
      When I read the commentary from WS I was saddened to see he thought there was a chance Biden might not be so direct. Was that really an option? Was that really what Harris was doing? Why would they? People like me want to see them take a stand when it is important. Who would they be afraid of?

      • btomba_77

        Member
        January 7, 2022 at 7:56 am

        [link=https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1479245870570815490?s=20]Bill Kristol[/link]: Im cheered up by all the Republicans complaining Bidens speech was partisan and conservatives whining it was divisive. They must be worried the speech was effective. And that it suggests an effective model going forward.

        • satyanar

          Member
          January 7, 2022 at 8:41 am

          Yes. Thats the analysis I was hoping for. It should not be a surprise when someone stands up directly to evil.

          Perhaps you and Frumi are confused with what I mean by finding middle ground and not being tribal. It does not mean calling proper criticism of truly horrific behavior done by members of the other party partisan. Everyone should, including the members of their own party that know better.

          Im this case many members of the Republican Party have not done their job. Hopefully the Democrats will do it for them.

          And then come up with solid moderate goals for the next few years and got out and win elections.

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            January 11, 2022 at 2:55 pm

            Great speech just finished by Biden and Harris over voting rights.
             
            Which side are you on is its question, democracy or ???

            • satyanar

              Member
              January 11, 2022 at 5:07 pm

              As it should. I was merely surprised anyone would write:
               
              “Whatever the long-term political verdict, Biden deserves major plaudits for his [b]courage in calling out Trump[/b] for deliberately triggering the worst attack on the Capitol since the British in 1814.”
               
              As though it was not a foregone conclusion. I know I would have been disappointed if he hadn’t. But I’ve been disappointed many times before, not just by him.
               
               

              • btomba_77

                Member
                January 25, 2022 at 9:25 am

                Silver lining –
                [h1]Most Find Biden Likable, But Not a Strong Leader[/h1]  
                A new [link=https://news.gallup.com/poll/389219/biden-seen-likable-smart-not-strong-leader-manager.aspx]Gallup poll[/link] finds that 60% of Americans think President Biden is likable and 59% think he is intelligent.

                Hearing this poll discussed on some political talk radio this morning, analyst posited that the up side is that if facts on the ground improve (inflation, covid etc), Biden has significant room for improvement in support.   …It’s not baked-in disapproval.
                 

                • clickpenguin_460

                  Member
                  January 25, 2022 at 9:44 am

                  What’s the definition of an attack?

  • satyanar

    Member
    January 25, 2022 at 10:16 am

    Quote from dergon

    Jonathan Bernstein
    [h3][link=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-19/build-back-better-house-democrats-in-disarray-are-getting-things-done?srnd=premium]What Disarray? Democrats Are Getting Stuff Done[/link][/h3]

    The finish line is still weeks away; the Senate is expected to make significant changes, after which the bill will return to the House for what should be final passage. Still, the vote amounted to more vindication of the two-bill strategy the Democrats adopted, which has already produced an infrastructure bill signed into law with bipartisan support. Its unlikely that either the most liberal or more moderate House Democrats would have voted for the bill on Friday without reasonable confidence that all 50 Democratic senators are willing to go along.


    Could the whole thing still fall apart? Sure. The House shouldnt be a problem; after having voted yes on Friday (and in preliminary votes even earlier) theres little incentive to kill the bill when it returns. But all it takes is a single Democratic senator to bring everything down. Still, it does seem unlikely that events would have reached this stage without some confidence that Manchin and Sinema would be on board, and one would imagine that those senators would have given more of an indication long before now if they intended to oppose final passage. Which gets back to the point about shared incentives: Even as both Manchin and Sinema have strong electoral incentives to establish themselves as clearly more moderate than the party, they also have incentives for the party to thrive overall.

    So it sure looks likely that some version of Build Back Better, modified by the Senate, will wind up passing. And if that happens, this will have been (for better or worse) one of the most productive Congresses in a long time. With one year remaining to do more.

    [/QUOTE]
     

     
    Pretty tough to make predictions in politics and economics.

  • Unknown Member

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    March 25, 2022 at 2:39 pm

    Funny thing is

    Your guy wanted to inject bleach

    But this current guy is the one who is brain dead

  • alyaa.rifaie_129

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 6:40 am

    Fact Check: Unproven Regan had Alzheimers while in office.
     
    CNN: January 11, 2018 Regan did not have Alzheimers while in office
     
    Christine Housman [i]”Reagan was officially diagnosed in 1994, but began showing overt symptoms (changes in speech and personality, more forgetfulness, etc.) about 2 years before that. There is speculation that he may have had AD while serving as president, largely because of his tendency to forget names, but this has been denied by the doctors who served him during his presidency.” [/i]
    [i]
    [/i]
    Presidential scholar Douglas Brinkley  told CBS Radio News that [i]as editor of “The Reagan Diaries,” he “saw no sign of Alzheimer’s.”[/i]

    • Unknown Member

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      March 26, 2022 at 6:48 am

      Presidential scholar Douglas Brinkley told CBS Radio News that as editor of “The Reagan Diaries,” he “saw no sign of Alzheimer’s.”

      Well that obviously closes the cases

    • alyaa.rifaie_129

      Member
      March 26, 2022 at 6:50 am

      Funny.  Biden makes a statement that contradicts his stance no troops to Ukraine  could be enough for a madman like Putin to escalate into WWIII but you all start posting whataboutism such as Trump (who is not in office) and Bleach and Regan (who is not in office)  and Alzheimer’s.  We all know if Trump said this in the same circumstance this would be non stop posting and none of you would pass it off as a gaffe nor would you post how I read about a book about aging as POTUS.  Tribal lunacy. 

      • Unknown Member

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        March 26, 2022 at 7:16 am

        Funny

        You and your type encourage and elevate Putin

        And expect us all to thank you

        You are a good comrade

        Not much of an American but a good comrade

        • alyaa.rifaie_129

          Member
          March 26, 2022 at 7:25 am

          My type? Show me one post where I encouraged or indicated support for Putin. Just one. I just called him a madman, hardly support.
          Funny.  One of your comrades posts tribal lunacy w a comment that is factually incorrect which I disputed. Rather than tell me I’ m wrong you pick one source to criticize but do not post how its NOT true then write a false accusation that I support Putin or Trump. I do neither but rather find it absurd the consistent tribal lunacy that gets posted and when called on it you make up crap.

    • ruszja

      Member
      March 26, 2022 at 7:30 am

      Quote from Ixrayu

      Fact Check: Unproven Regan had Alzheimers while in office.

      CNN: January 11, 2018 Regan did not have Alzheimers while in office

      Christine Housman [i]”Reagan was officially diagnosed in 1994, but began showing overt symptoms (changes in speech and personality, more forgetfulness, etc.) about 2 years before that. There is speculation that he may have had AD while serving as president, largely because of his tendency to forget names, but this has been denied by the doctors who served him during his presidency.” [/i]
      [i]
      [/i]
      Presidential scholar Douglas Brinkley  told CBS Radio News that [i]as editor of “The Reagan Diaries,” he “saw no sign of Alzheimer’s.”[/i]

      Well that settles it….

      White House physicians are useless boobs. They are politicians at the royal court. The last one told us that the obviously obese president was in superfragilicious health.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        March 26, 2022 at 7:33 am

        I honestly don’t know if Biden is actually having cognitive decline or if his aging combined with existing gaffe-prone nature gives the appearance of decline.
         
         
        I’m trying to picture how many gaffes and of what type a 65 year old Biden, elevated to the Presidency in 2008 instead of Obama, would be making.  My guess is that it would be pretty damned similar.
         

        • ruszja

          Member
          March 26, 2022 at 9:34 am

          Quote from dergon

          I honestly don’t know if Biden is actually having cognitive decline or if his aging combined with existing gaffe-prone nature gives the appearance of decline.

          I’m trying to picture how many gaffes and of what type a 65 year old Biden, elevated to the Presidency in 2008 instead of Obama, would be making.  My guess is that it would be pretty damned similar.

          I kept telling my conservative friends that Biden doesn’t suffer decline, it just seems that way because he was never that bright to begin with.

          He lucked into lifetime employment on the government dole at age 30 and has held on to that gig based on corporate corruption (‘the senator from MBNA’) for 47 years. He won an election by default during the height of Covid by releasing curated statements from his basement. He was running against someone certifiably nuts. But now he is exposed to light, reporters who ask questions and at times he is tasked to make decisions. Now his progressive cognitive decline from a low baseline becomes glaringly obvious.
          I had a very bright family member succumb to dementia. Multi-lingual educator, administrator and musician. In the end he didn’t know who his wife was, but he could tell you classical music pieces from the first few cords. But this man started out from the very top so it took years until his impairment affected his ADLs. Biden just never started out from a high level so he hits that threshold much earlier.

          Really, you need to start looking for a credible successor, like [u]now[/u].

          • Unknown Member

            Deleted User
            March 26, 2022 at 9:37 am

            What has Biden done with this current Russia-Ukraine war that you disagree with?

            what would you do differently?

            • Unknown Member

              Deleted User
              March 26, 2022 at 10:52 am

              Pretty good speech

              Especially for someone with severe cognitive decline

              Obviously doesnt effect his reading from the teleprompter

              • Unknown Member

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                March 26, 2022 at 10:54 am

                fw pointed out the “lame” “your guy is worse argument”.

                It may be a very lame argument but yes

                Yes yes yes

                The other guy is much much much worse

                Lame as heck but true as F

                • satyanar

                  Member
                  March 26, 2022 at 10:58 am

                  Agree completely

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          March 26, 2022 at 11:29 am

          Quote from dergon

          I honestly don’t know if Biden is actually having cognitive decline or if his aging combined with existing gaffe-prone nature gives the appearance of decline.

          I’m trying to picture how many gaffes and of what type a 65 year old Biden, elevated to the Presidency in 2008 instead of Obama, would be making.  My guess is that it would be pretty damned similar.

          My money is gaffes. He has long history. Name your reason but he is not demented.
           
          I sincerely have to question observations & motives of audiences who continually have a low bar of defining demented for Biden compared to everyone else, especially Republicans.
           
          Does not wash. Concern with age is 1 thing but diagnosing dementia for Biden while obvious idiots who cant string rational thoughts together like Trump AND Reagan are showing their bias IMHO.

          • radiologistkahraman_799

            Member
            March 26, 2022 at 4:33 pm

            Quote from Frumious

            Quote from dergon

            I honestly don’t know if Biden is actually having cognitive decline or if his aging combined with existing gaffe-prone nature gives the appearance of decline.

            I’m trying to picture how many gaffes and of what type a 65 year old Biden, elevated to the Presidency in 2008 instead of Obama, would be making.  My guess is that it would be pretty damned similar.

            My money is gaffes. He has long history. Name your reason but he is not demented.

            I sincerely have to question observations & motives of audiences who continually have a low bar of defining demented for Biden compared to everyone else, especially Republicans.

            Does not wash. Concern with age is 1 thing but diagnosing dementia for Biden while obvious idiots who cant string rational thoughts together like Trump AND Reagan are showing their bias IMHO.

            Don’t know about that.  In combination to his numerous increasing “gaffes”, watch his gait.  It is almost shuffling.  His temporal wasting…. I’ve seen this guy’s brain a 1000x today and it ain’t pretty.

            • kayla.meyer_144

              Member
              March 26, 2022 at 6:31 pm

              Quote from TurboEcho

              Don’t know about that.  In combination to his numerous increasing “gaffes”, watch his gait.  It is almost shuffling.  His temporal wasting…. I’ve seen this guy’s brain a 1000x today and it ain’t pretty.

              Regardless, even if true, hes still magnitudes more rational than any non-RINO Republican out there and there is no non-RINO Republican with a snowballs chance in Hell of winning the nomination leaving only Trump or a Trumper to win the Republican nomination. Name a Republican today who could win the nomination. DeSantis? Maybe scarier than Trump as hes more intelligent than Trump.
               
              Which means the choice is crazy nutters or Biden. Yeah, Id prefer another Democrat but name one who would do as well as Biden has done.
               
              The choice is full binary for me, nutters or Biden. The problem is the Republican base & what it stands for.

              • radiologistkahraman_799

                Member
                March 26, 2022 at 7:35 pm

                Quote from Frumious

                Quote from TurboEcho

                Don’t know about that.  In combination to his numerous increasing “gaffes”, watch his gait.  It is almost shuffling.  His temporal wasting…. I’ve seen this guy’s brain a 1000x today and it ain’t pretty.

                Regardless, even if true, hes still magnitudes more rational than any non-RINO Republican out there and there is no non-RINO Republican with a snowballs chance in Hell of winning the nomination leaving only Trump or a Trumper to win the Republican nomination. Name a Republican today who could win the nomination. DeSantis? Maybe scarier than Trump as hes more intelligent than Trump.

                Which means the choice is crazy nutters or Biden. Yeah, Id prefer another Democrat but name one who would do as well as Biden has done.

                The choice is full binary for me, nutters or Biden. The problem is the Republican base & what it stands for.

                Trumps craziness and mean tweets aside, did your life become same, better or worse under Trump policies?  

                • Unknown Member

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                  March 26, 2022 at 7:38 pm

                  With covid- worse

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  March 26, 2022 at 7:41 pm

                  What were trumps policies?

                  Tax cuts that already expired for me?

                  Attempting to destroy NATO

                  Making Covid a political football

                  Overall I would have say trump policy made things worse

                  • Unknown Member

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                    March 26, 2022 at 8:01 pm

                    What were trumps policies?

                    Tax cuts that already expired for me?

                    Attempting to destroy NATO

                    Making Covid a political football

                    Promoting white nationalism and anti science agenda?

                    Taking credit for an economy that was rolling and great when he took office

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        March 26, 2022 at 11:52 am

        Quote from fw

        Quote from Ixrayu

        Fact Check: Unproven Regan had Alzheimers while in office.

        CNN: January 11, 2018 Regan did not have Alzheimers while in office

        Christine Housman [i]”Reagan was officially diagnosed in 1994, but began showing overt symptoms (changes in speech and personality, more forgetfulness, etc.) about 2 years before that. There is speculation that he may have had AD while serving as president, largely because of his tendency to forget names, but this has been denied by the doctors who served him during his presidency.” [/i]
        [i]
        [/i]
        Presidential scholar Douglas Brinkley  told CBS Radio News that [i]as editor of “The Reagan Diaries,” he “saw no sign of Alzheimer’s.”[/i]

        Well that settles it….

        White House physicians are useless boobs. They are politicians at the royal court. The last one told us that the obviously obese president was in superfragilicious health.

        Unproven is the only accurate part of the statement but there was tons of speculation long before the official diagnosis. Speakes constant, what the President really meant to say was is one. There were numerous speculations about his performances at many events, sleeping at meetings, etc.
         
        The argument is hardly that the other guy is worse, this is not what about is, but that why the other guys peccadillos are ignored, even protected & explained away.
         
        IMO, Biden is anything but demented. 
         
        [link=https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-disease/]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-disease/[/link]

        Reagan was 69 when he won his first presidential election. Trump was 70, making him the oldest person to be elected to the presidency (excluding Reagans re-election at 73). Trump was given a clean bill of cognitive health in January 2018 by White House physician Dr. Ronny Jackson, who had tested him for cognitive impairment and said he had no concerns about the presidents mental fitness. 
         
        Reagans doctors said much the same thing while he was in office despite the former presidents memory lapses and bouts of confusion in public, most visibly during the 1984 presidential debates and his 1990 Iran-Contra testimony. Incidents such as these led to speculation that he was undergoing a gradual mental decline that those around him didnt want to admit. A 1987 article in the [i]New Republic[/i] posed the troubling question outright: Is Reagan Senile?
         
        That was precisely what CBS News reporter Lesley Stahl was asking herself during a 1986 visit with a president she would later [link=http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/reagan-alzheimers-family-feud-lesley-stahl/]describe[/link] in her 2000 memoir, [i]Reporting Live[/i], as shriveled and verging on catatonic.
         
        Reagan didnt seem to know who I was, she wrote. He gave me a distant look with those milky eyes and shook my hand weakly. Oh, my, hes gonzo, I thought. But a few minutes later, he snapped out of it and from that point on seemed perfectly fine. When asked, White House aides admitted to Stahl that they had witnessed similar episodes.
         

        Even Reagans own son, Ron, sensed something was wrong at the time. He wrote in his 2011 book, [i]My Father at 100: A Memoir, [/i]that he first became concerned that something beyond mellowing was afflicting his father three years into Reagans first term. Of the latters bumbling debate performance against Walter Mondale in 1984,

        • ruszja

          Member
          March 26, 2022 at 1:20 pm

          Quote from Frumious

          Unproven is the only accurate part of the statement but there was tons of speculation long before the official diagnosis. Speakes constant, what the President really meant to say was is one.

          Lol. But that is exactly what we have right now: ‘What the president really meant to say is that he really likes the 82nd airborne’.

          Just today they had to walk back his comments about pursuing regime change in Russia.

          Really, no amount of ‘but the other guy said something dumb about bleach!’ can negate what anyone with a TV can see with their own eyes. He isn’t all there .

          • Unknown Member

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            March 26, 2022 at 3:38 pm

            Just today they had to walk back his comments about pursuing regime change in Russia.

            That was in his speech

            That was sent as a message to the Russian oligarchs and people

            Walking it back is just an act

            • Unknown Member

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              March 26, 2022 at 3:39 pm

              You gotta think a little sometimes instead of reacting

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 26, 2022 at 9:07 am

    Face it the new Republican Party is pro Putin

    They would rather see Biden and NATO fail

    And thats a problem

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      March 26, 2022 at 9:08 am

      And please dont cite tribal lunacy when you are the part of Q-Anon

      Dont even go there

  • ruszja

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 11:14 am

    Quote from Chirorad84

    What has Biden done with this current Russia-Ukraine war that you disagree with?

    what would you do differently?

    Do I disagree with any of the policy decisions that the professionals at the State Dept. and the Pentagon have made ? No.

    Maybe I would have quietly repainted a few polish Migs in Ukrainian markings, filed off the serial numbers and claimed ignorance when asked, maybe.

    Maybe have a US destroyer accidentally bury it’s bow into the side of Putin’s Superyacht. We are good at doing that ‘oh, third mate Bumbleton pushed the wrong button, here is your claim form, turn it in in triplicate’.

    • Unknown Member

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      March 26, 2022 at 11:20 am

      This isnt over yet but if This works out as a positive for European democracy I think you have to give Biden just a little credit for competence in a crisis

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      March 26, 2022 at 11:30 am

      Maybe have a US destroyer accidentally bury it’s bow into the side of Putin’s Superyacht. We are good at doing that ‘oh, third mate Bumbleton pushed the wrong button, here is your claim form, turn it in in triplicate’.

      I rather like that idea.
       

      • Unknown Member

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        March 26, 2022 at 12:00 pm

        Misspeaking is not a sign of cognitive decline

        I think news organizations and politicians embellishing events to build a case for dementia during a time of crisis is borderline treasonous

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    March 26, 2022 at 4:51 pm

    Well todays comments about Putin wasnt a gaffe

    That was in his speech.

    President speeches are written and vetted

    They knew exactly what they were saying with that PUTIN MUST Go comment

    That was a wink and a nod to the oligarchs, Putin enemies and the Russian people

    100%

    • ruszja

      Member
      March 26, 2022 at 5:46 pm

      Quote from Chirorad84

      Well todays comments about Putin wasnt a gaffe

      That was in his speech.

      President speeches are written and vetted

       
      It wasn’t in his scripted speech. It was something that just bubbled out of him at the end.
       
      You start to sound like Bagdad Bob.
       
       
       
      [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/26/biden-putin-poland-speech-00020671]https://www.politico.com/…poland-speech-00020671[/link]

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 26, 2022 at 6:14 pm

        Im not buying it at all

        This was planned

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 26, 2022 at 6:22 pm

        It was definitely planned

        He didnt have a gaffe or misspeak

        He meant to send a message

        Unpredictable and senile

        It comes off good politically

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 26, 2022 at 6:30 pm

        It was definitely planned

        He called him a war criminal yesterday

        Today he said he needs to Go

        He didnt have a gaffe or misspeak

        He meant to send a message

        Unpredictable and senile

        It comes off good politically

  • radiologistkahraman_799

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    Quote from Chirorad84

    What were trumps policies?

    Tax cuts that already expired for me?

    Attempting to destroy NATO

    Making Covid a political football

    Promoting white nationalism and anti science agenda?

    Taking credit for an economy that was rolling and great when he took office

    So…. same, better or worse?  Still looking for an answer
     
    And is the USA and the world in a better place now, or then?

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      March 26, 2022 at 8:52 pm

      Worse

    • cpmolnar

      Member
      March 27, 2022 at 12:14 am

      My life was much the same, day to day
       
      Those in my community, much worse.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 27, 2022 at 4:42 am

        Tryout to be honest

        I believe covid made everything worse and trump
        Really was a divider on covid so I would say worse

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          March 27, 2022 at 5:29 am

          What is the definition of worse is the 1st question.
           
          Trump did not murder Obamas economic recovery, in fact stimulated it by deficit spending so my investments did well. Is that what most here see as the definition of better or worse? Because IMO, the continuing attacks and death of facts & things like Jan 6 are the definition of worse even if they did not impact me directlyyet.
           

    • kayla.meyer_144

      Member
      March 27, 2022 at 6:30 am

      Quote from TurboEcho

      So…. same, better or worse?  Still looking for an answer

      And is the USA and the world in a better place now, or then?

      And your opinion?
       
      And why?
       
      You havent said yourself while asking others to respond.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        March 27, 2022 at 8:12 am

        As far as the USA and the world being in a better place

        We will find this out pretty soon.

        • ruszja

          Member
          March 27, 2022 at 8:50 am

          So the only reason to go with him is that DeSantis would be worse? A potted plant would fulfill the same criterion.

          I actually agree that Gov DeathSentence would be worse. All the more important that he doesn’t get to run unopposed.

          • Unknown Member

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            March 27, 2022 at 8:59 am

            Not sure I said that

            havent given it much thought

            I think a lot can happen in the next few years

            My jury is still out

          • satyanar

            Member
            March 27, 2022 at 6:07 pm

            Quote from fw

            So the only reason to go with him is that DeSantis would be worse? A potted plant would fulfill the same criterion.

            I actually agree that Gov DeathSentence would be worse. All the more important that he doesn’t get to run unopposed.

             
            There are a lot more people that believe this than anyone realizes.

  • alyaa.rifaie_129

    Member
    April 5, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    Anyone see the clip Joe saying he’s proud of Jill and the work she did w Michelle when Jill was vice president.

    • Unknown Member

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      April 5, 2022 at 7:18 pm

      Quote from Ixrayu

      Anyone see the clip Joe saying he’s proud of Jill and the work she did w Michelle when Jill was vice president.

      Yeah, its so sad watching this pathetic shell of a man. Its apparent now that even his own tribe has no respect for him:

      [link=https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1511410368374972417?s=20&t=KrV_GGYv1WTILkNBH-VJjQ]https://twitter.com/Colum…KrV_GGYv1WTILkNBH-VJjQ[/link]

      [link=https://twitter.com/GregButcher_/status/1511500151759818757?s=20&t=jTss2dgiMJz_btiJCoIgOg]https://twitter.com/GregB…jTss2dgiMJz_btiJCoIgOg[/link]

      • ruszja

        Member
        April 5, 2022 at 8:37 pm

        Quote from Foreignbodylanguage

        Yeah, its so sad watching this pathetic shell of a man. Its apparent now that even his own tribe has no respect for him:

         
        OMG, this is sad.
         
        Whoever thought that putting those two next to each other was a good idea needs to get fired.

        • alyaa.rifaie_129

          Member
          April 6, 2022 at 2:38 am

          Wonder what Obama thinks of the laptop. Obama used to always brag there were no scandals in his administration yet his VPs kid was traveling on Air Force 2 lining the family pockets.

          • btomba_77

            Member
            April 8, 2022 at 4:12 am

            I had a number of facebook friends commenting on just how bad Biden looked at the ceremony with Obama.  And I just couldn’t figure it out.  I watched it live and yes, it did make me long for a youthful, witty, Obama third term but there wasn’t anything that stood out to me about Biden’s actions that seemed fit for derision.
             
             

             
            Now I get it though.
             
            [link=https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/]Fox News Doctoring Clips of Joe Biden and Barack Obama[/link][/h3]
            [link=https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/]https://youtu.be/srdAoxSiWxM[/link]

            The difference between the Fox edits and the actual full length video tells the story.

             

            • alyaa.rifaie_129

              Member
              April 16, 2022 at 8:24 am

              Quinnipiac poll 33% approval – figured post it cause the ones that were always posting Trump’s would never post Biden’s. Latest gaffe – He was a full professor for four years at UPenn. Then when done turns to shake hands w no one just the air. 
               
               

              • alyaa.rifaie_129

                Member
                April 16, 2022 at 8:25 am

                Quinnipiac poll 33% approval – figured post it cause the ones that were always posting Trump’s would never post Biden’s.
                 
                Latest gaffe – He was a full professor for four years at UPenn. Then when done turns to shake hands w no one just the air. 
                 
                 

                • btomba_77

                  Member
                  April 17, 2022 at 1:21 pm

                  Once again, you don’t need to add a fake “Biden dementia” bit to the end.
                   
                  The QU poll is dad enough. You could just post it without looking like a partisan hack spreading misinformation.
                   
                   
                  But then you add the misinformation “shake hands with no one” part that is easily disprovable and nothing more than a right wing fake meme.
                   
                  [link=https://www.c-span.org/video/?519474-1/president-biden-speaks-economy-visit-greensboro-north-carolina]https://www.c-span.org/vi…ensboro-north-carolina[/link]
                   
                  Any person can go to the 50 minute mark and watch the conclusion and see that Biden is gesturing to the surrounding crowd after conclusion.
                   
                  ________
                   
                  Just stick to the awful polling and you’re doing pretty good. No need for the BS.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 22, 2022 at 8:50 am

    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/opinion/biden-trump-republicans-democrats.html]Tom Friedman[/link] had an off-the-record lunch with President Biden but had this observation:
     
    Biden didnt say it in so many words, but he didnt have to. I could hear it between the lines: Hes worried that while he has reunited the West, he may not be able to reunite America.
     

    • ruszja

      Member
      May 22, 2022 at 9:00 am

      Time is money. As one computer said, if youre on the train and they say portal bridge you know you better make other plans.

    • satyanar

      Member
      May 22, 2022 at 4:30 pm

      Quote from dergon

      [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/opinion/biden-trump-republicans-democrats.html]Tom Friedman[/link] had an off-the-record lunch with President Biden but had this observation:

      Biden didnt say it in so many words, but he didnt have to. I could hear it between the lines: Hes worried that while he has reunited the West, he may not be able to reunite America.

       
      Is there some sort of consensus that Biden has reunited the West?

  • ruszja

    Member
    May 22, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    Quote from Thread Killer

    Quote from dergon

    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/opinion/biden-trump-republicans-democrats.html]Tom Friedman[/link] had an off-the-record lunch with President Biden but had this observation:

    Biden didnt say it in so many words, but he didnt have to. I could hear it between the lines: Hes worried that while he has reunited the West, he may not be able to reunite America.

    Is there some sort of consensus that Biden has reunited the West?

    Putin united the west.

    Biden is a ‘NPC’ in this game.

    • satyanar

      Member
      May 23, 2022 at 9:41 am

      Quote from fw

      Putin united the west.

       
      Yes. Quite similar to how Trump united the Dems and moderate republicans and independents. See SCOTUS as well.
       
      Just read the Op Ed. What a stretch by Friedman to give Biden credit. Not a stretch to assume Joe is taking it.

      • kayla.meyer_144

        Member
        May 23, 2022 at 9:59 am

        OK, so neither of you like Biden in the least but how would things have gone had Donnie still been in office or if there was no American involvement at all?
         
        No, Joe does not deserve sole credit but without Joe and especially with Donnie, things would definitely have been different due to the absence of any American leadership. Yes, “any” another Democrat besides Joe, but who exactly?
         
        [link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-19/biden-to-push-sweden-and-finland-nato-bid-stymied-by-turkey]https://www.bloomberg.com…-bid-stymied-by-turkey[/link]
         
        [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/05/there-is-no-going-back-how-the-war-in-ukraine-has-pushed-biden-to-rearm-europe-00030352]https://www.politico.com/…-rearm-europe-00030352[/link]
         
        [link=https://www.gmfus.org/news/impact-war-ukraine-transatlantic-relationship]https://www.gmfus.org/new…satlantic-relationship[/link]
         
        And considering abject admiration of Conservative and Republicans for the likes of Orban: 
         
        [link=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/20/viktor-orban-cpac-republicans-hungary]https://www.theguardian.c…ac-republicans-hungary[/link]

        The Hungarian leader, [link=https://www.theguardian.com/world/viktor-orban]Viktor Orbán[/link], has told a conference of US conservatives that the path to power required having their own media outlets

         

        • satyanar

          Member
          May 23, 2022 at 10:03 am

          Quote from Frumious

          OK, so neither of you like Biden in the least but how would things have gone had Donnie still been in office or if there was no American involvement at all?

           
          Misunderstanding #999. I think Biden is fine. Very happy he is there over Trump and others. I just won’t stand back and watch a political pontificator like Friedman give Joe credit and assume he has already taken it without pointing pout the absurdity. This is the problem with politicians and their sycophants. They do it all of the time.

        • kayla.meyer_144

          Member
          May 23, 2022 at 10:03 am

          from this Liberal rag, the Washington Examiner:
           
          [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/patriotism-unity/biden-deserves-credit-for-holding-the-nato-line]https://www.washingtonexa…-holding-the-nato-line[/link]
           

          President Joe Biden deserves significant credit for holding NATO together as the alliance faces its greatest test since the end of the Cold War.
           
          Still, at the critical juncture of trans-Atlantic security: the assurance of support for U.S.-led alliances and the attenuating credibility of the U.S.-led democratic international order, Biden deserves much credit. I suspect that former President Donald Trump would have done more to support Ukraine’s defense prior to war but less to deter Putin once war began. I wonder whether Trump would have supported a Russian-favorable ceasefire.
           
          Regardless, it’s clear NATO is looking good at present.
           
          Put simply, the West looks strong.
           
          This has been to the evident surprise of China. Fearing [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-china-is-very-unlikely-to-send-military-equipment-to-help-russia-in-ukraine]the loss of European Union partnership[/link] , Xi Jinping is now backpedaling from his prior support for Moscow.

          Sycophant???
           
           

          • kayla.meyer_144

            Member
            May 23, 2022 at 10:04 am

            And:
             
            [link=https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/biden-s-resolve-putin-s-calamity-nato-will-be-stronger-with-finland-and-sweden-1.10807679]https://www.haaretz.com/u…-and-sweden-1.10807679[/link]

            • satyanar

              Member
              May 23, 2022 at 10:07 am

              I was specifically referring to Friedman who gave him complete credit, not partial. And assumed Biden was thinking the same thing.
               
              I give Biden some credit as well. Glad he was there and not many others, Dem or Rep.

              • satyanar

                Member
                May 23, 2022 at 10:10 am

                “He just put NATO together, Europe together and the whole Western alliance together stretching from Canada up to Finland and all the way to Japan to help Ukraine protect its fledgling democracy from Vladimir Putins fascist assault.”

                • satyanar

                  Member
                  May 23, 2022 at 2:28 pm

                  Hey look at this! I I forced myself to read past Tom’s bromance and discovered some great quotes:
                   
                  “Biden is not blameless in this dilemma, nor is the Democratic Party particularly its far-left wing. Under pressure to revive the economy, and facing big-ticket demands from the far left, Biden pursued expansive spending for too long. House Democrats also sullied one of Bidens most important bipartisan achievements a giant infrastructure bill by making it hostage to other excessive spending demands. The far left also saddled Biden and every Democratic candidate with radical notions like defund the police an insane mantra that would have most harmed the Black and Hispanic base of the Democratic Party had it been implemented.”
                   
                  “To defeat Trumpism we need only, say, 10 percent of Republicans to abandon their party and join with a center-left Biden, which is what he was elected to be and still is at heart. But we may not be able to get even 1 percent of Republicans to shift if far-left Democrats are seen as defining the partys future.”
                   
                  Not sure why with this sentiment he goes so far out on a limb to crown Joe the savior of the West.
                   
                   

                   
                   

                  • satyanar

                    Member
                    May 24, 2022 at 9:00 am

                    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/us/politics/biden-taiwan-comments.html]Biden Veers Off Script on Taiwan. Its Not the First Time. – The New York Times (nytimes.com)[/link]
                     
                    [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/24/world/asia/biden-taiwan-china-australia.html]Bidens Words on Taiwan Leave Allies in an Awkward Spot – The New York Times (nytimes.com)[/link]
                     
                    Good thing he united the West. The East might be trickier now.
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     

  • btomba_77

    Member
    May 24, 2022 at 9:04 am

    A gaffe …. he accidentally told the truth

    • satyanar

      Member
      May 24, 2022 at 9:18 am

      That’s the funny thing. I agree with him. A lot of reasonable people do.
       
      I was just wondering how this plays into his skill for uniting nations.

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