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[h2][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/12/gretchen-whitmer-josh-shapiro-ron-desantis-big-winners/]Forget DeSantis. Whitmer and Shapiro are defining the future.[/link][/h2]

Like DeSantis, both Democrats won landslides in states that Trump carried in [link=https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president]2016[/link]. Both had coattails for down-ballot Democrats. Both linked progressive objectives, staunch support for the labor movement, a moderate tone and pragmatism about governing. Both showed how to isolate far-right culture warriors and broaden what you might call the live-and-let-live coalition.

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She won notoriety as one of Trumps favorite punching bags during the pandemic, and, terrifyingly, as the target of [link=https://www.npr.org/2022/10/26/1131607112/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-convictions]a kidnapping effort[/link] by a right-wing paramilitary group. But Whitmers political savvy matters most. She built her big majority by immediately grasping the power of the abortion issue after the Supreme Court [link=https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/19-1392]overruled[/link] [i]Roe v. Wade[/i]. A referendum to enshrine abortion rights in [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/09/michigan-abortion-amendment-results-2022-00064778]Michigans constitution[/link] undoubtedly brought out a big Democratic vote on Tuesday.
 
At the same time, Whitmer stayed true to the very practical agenda she ran on four years ago, highlighted by her sassy, [link=https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/news/press-releases/2022/10/03/whitmer-continues-to-fix-the-damn-roads-with-projects-starting-this-week]back-to-basics slogan[/link]: Fix the damn roads. She raised that battle cry again in her victory speech while renewing pledges to restore safe drinking water (in response to the contamination of Flints water supply) and to improve health care and education.
 
After much ink-spilling since Trumps election over the loss of blue-collar industrial jobs, {Whitmer} joined Biden and Democrats elsewhere in describing a new manufacturing future involving making more electric cars, semi-conductors and clean energy right here in Michigan. Watch this theme: How to build a new economy is the big issue of the next decade.

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{Joe Biden} was not my first or second choice for president, but I am a convert. I never thought I would say this, but I believe he should run for another term and finish this agenda we laid out.
 
 
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), who heads the Congressional Progressive Caucus, quoted by [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/21/ron-klain-white-house-west-wing-00069645]Politico[/link].
 
 
 

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and that sentiment is pulsing through Democrats more broadly 

[h1] [link=https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/democrats-more-positive-about-biden-post-midterms]USA Today/Ipsos poll[/link][/h1] Democratic voters are now more supportive of President Biden being the partys nominee in 2024 than they were pre-election.
 
Seventy-one percent of Democratic voters believe President Biden can win the next presidential election. This is an 11-point swing from August, when three in five shared this sentiment.
 

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Quote from Chirorad84

I think the only guy he can beat is trump

And even that is a possible

ok then 
 
2 follow-up questions
 
 
Who are the other Democrats who beat Trump?
Who are the other Democrats who beat non-trump Republican in 2024?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Hopefully we will definitely know in 1 year.

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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/26/gavin-newsom-wont-challenge-joe-biden-00070829]Newsom Told the White House He Won’t Challenge Biden

[/link]The would-be pursuer of Trump and DeSantis is “all in” for the presidents reelection and willing to wait his turn.

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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/03/democratic-governors-election/]https://www.washingtonpos…ic-governors-election/[/link]

Democratic governors riding high on election results as 2024 looms[/h1] [h2]The November midterms broadened the partys bench for potential presidential contenders, though none have said they would challenge Biden if he runs[/h2]
Democratic Governors mentioned in the article: Jared Polis (D-CO), Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI), Josh Shapiro (D-Pa.) ,Gov. Roy Cooper (D-N.C.),   Maura Healy (D- MA), J.B. Pritzker (D-IL), Gavin Newsom (D- CA), Wes Moore (D- MD)

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Teagan Goddard: “Democrats suddenly have a deep bench”
 

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White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain [link=https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/wsj-ceo-council-2022/card/white-house-chief-of-staff-ron-klain-says-he-expects-biden-to-run-in-2024-ckeOIslYE0rkEWC8YRgW]told the Wall Street Journal[/link] that he expects President Biden to make a final decision shortly after the holidays on whether to seek re-election in 2024 and said he expects him to run.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Hate to say it but by 2024 it’s going to be a real weekend at Bernie’s style campaign.  Unfortunately the bench ain’t too deep with Mayor Pete, or Gavin Newsom.

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[h1][b]Biden Primary Changes a boost for Harris if he doesn’t Run[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-12-08/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2024-presidential-race-democratic-primary-calendar]Mark Barabak[/link]:
If Biden doesnt run, the likeliest beneficiary of the proposed calendar switch is his often-dismissed understudy, Vice President Kamala Harris.

We Democrats shouldnt kid ourselves, said Garry South, a longtime party strategist who has observed Harris political career up close in California and salutes her making history as the first female, Black and Asian vice president.
Shes our [link=https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-12-07/kamala-harris-has-it-rough-but-so-did-vice-president-dan-quayle]functional equivalent of Dan Quayle,[/link] he continued. Adequate and useful to help get a president elected, but totally incapable of running for president herself, as shes amply demonstrated.
 
Though it may cause some Democrats heartburn, Harris is[link=https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-07-21/kamala-harris-democratic-frontrunner-to-succeed-biden] the clear front-runner [/link]to lead the party should Biden stand aside or how to put this delicately be otherwise absent from the presidential ticket in 2024.
 

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[h1][b]Democrats Fall in Line Behind Biden[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://puck.news/bidens-inevitability-mythology/]Tara Palmeri[/link]: The Democratic establishment is shoring up around Biden. Its not like 2008, when a neophyte Barack Obama came after Hillary Clinton, and there were some splinters. For decades, Democrats have been criticized for falling in love rather than falling in line, like Republicans. But that curse seems to have been cured, at least for now.
 
Its partially a case of PTSD from 2016. Theres a real fear inside the party that if they rock the boat and a raucous primary weakens Biden, they could have another four years of Trump, or whomever. Until then, Biden remains the unity candidate.
 
Key takeaway: The biggest challenge of a party coup is that it requires serious temerity and timing. A challenger would have to preemptively announce before Biden makes his own declaration, and run the risk of a poor reception, which could be [link=https://politicaldictionary.com/words/political-suicide-2/]political suicide[/link].
 

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[link=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-poll-numbers-rebound-slightly-majority-young-voters-want-new-representation-poll]https://www.foxnews.com/p…ew-representation-poll[/link]

[h1]Biden’s poll numbers rebound slightly, but majority of young voters want new representation: poll[/h1]

Support for President Biden seeking a second term in the White House has greatly increased since the summer, according to a new poll, while his support among young voters dwindles amid speculation about a potential [link=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-shows-strongest-sign-yet-he-will-run-2024]re-election announcement[/link].
 
A CNN/SSRS poll released Thursday found that 40% of likely Democratic voters would like to see Biden as the 2024 nominee, a 15-point increase in support after a summer CNN poll revealed 25% of [link=https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/elections/democrats]Democratic-aligned voters[/link] said they would like to see him run.
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Among the Democratic respondents who would like to see a new candidate, Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg was the choice for 5% of respondents. Despite claiming he will not seek the presidency in the near future, 4% of respondents would like to see California Gov. Gavin Newsom on their ticket’s next cycle.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., received 4% of the vote, Vice President Kamala Harris locked in 3% and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., was the choice candidate to 2% of respondents.

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[kaldridgewv2211]

There’s not much in in the dem camp for inspiring candidates.  Need an Obama 2.0.

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[link=https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/HHP_Dec2022_KeyResults.pdf]https://harvardharrispoll…Dec2022_KeyResults.pdf[/link]
 
who are these dems out there thinking HRC is running in ’24??
 
[b]If President Biden decides not to run again in 2024, who would you prefer to be the Democratic candidate? (DEM voters)[/b]
 
Harris 23%
Hillary Clinton 14%
Bernie Sanders 11%
Pete Buttigieg 9%
AOC 5%
 

[satyanar]

The question asked who they preferred to be the candidate. If I was asked that I would answer who I preferred. I wouldnt give any thought to whether or not they would consider it. Thats part of the problem with these polls. People assume answers mean something they dont. Especially in these completely hypothetical constructs. 

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(really a 2028 story)

[link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/01/26/democratic-bench-josh-shapiro-wes-moore-00079538]https://www.politico.com/…iro-wes-moore-00079538[/link]

[h2]No Democratic Bench? Josh Shapiro and Wes Moore Are Ready To Step Up[/h2]

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As Democrats bemoan their political bench theres a frequent glass-is-half-empty refrain about the most-often mentioned prospects waiting behind the 80-year-old in the White House: Kamala Harris cant win a general election, Pete Buttigieg cant win a primary and theres no way Michelle Obama will run, will she?
 
I find it mystifying. And especially after the midterms.
 
Senators Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.) and Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.), an actual astronaut and the actual pastor of Martin Luther Kings Ebenezer Baptist Church, paired their sterling bios with a demonstration of their electoral chops, winning in a pair of formerly red states that just now happen to pivotal presidential battlegrounds. In another show of strength, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer won re-election in Michigan, ever the Electoral College prize, by over 10 points.
 
And then there are the new three Democratic governors from the northeast, Shapiro, Moore and Maura Healey of Massachusetts, who all thrashed MAGAfied Republicans, were all born after 1970 and all have law enforcement or military credentials.

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[kaldridgewv2211]

Schapiro winning in PA is a pretty big win.
 
Also Warnock has some charisma and Obama-ness about him.  Hopey Changey.  That kind of stuff I think can win.
 
I think mayor Pete is a smart whip too.  Not sure if he’ll play well because of the gay.
 

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University of New Hampshire [link=https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1725&context=survey_center_polls]Granite State Poll[/link][color=”#000000″] – (New Hampshire voters)

[/color]Buttigieg 23%
Biden 18%
Warren 18%
Sanders 15%
Ocasio-Cortez 6%
Klobuchar 5%
Harris 2%

[img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/26/18/67007089-11680469-image-a-55_1674756567371.jpg[/img]

66% of NH Democrats don’t want Biden to run. Only 27% do.

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Biden said lets finish the job 12 times last night

And hes in swing state Wisconsin this morning ic case people thought he wasnt running

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Public Policy Polling: On the heels of a successful State of the Union address last week Joe Biden has some of the best numbers of his Presidency, with almost as many voters (44%) now approving of the job hes doing as disapprove (47%). Biden leads all of his leading potential Republican opponents for re-election. Its 47-44 over Ron DeSantis, 49-45 against Donald Trump, 45-39 versus Nikki Haley, and 47-39 matched up with Mike Pence.

The 4 point lead over Trump is notably similar to the 2020 outcome between them and speaks to the political climate being in a relatively similar place to where it has been over the last few years. Of course that still means a close race in the key Electoral College states would be likely in a Biden-Trump rematch, but Bidens standing has not meaningfully slipped relative to 2020.

[b]Our poll also finds that Democrats would be better off running Biden again than they would be with any of the best known alternatives to him in the party.[/b]

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Ipsos poll ex-Biden

Harris 27%

Sanders 18%

Buttigieg 15%

Newsom 10%

Warren 8%

Whitmer 4%
Shapiro 3%

Ipsos with Biden

Biden 35%

Sanders 13%

Harris 12%

Buttigieg 10%

Newsom 5%

Warren 5%

Whitmer 3%

Shapiro 2%

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[h1][b]President Bidens Succession Problem[/b][/h1]  
Greg Craig [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/27/opinion/biden-vice-president.html]writes in the New York Times[/link] that Democratic voters should pick President Bidens running mate.
 
There will be those who see a decision to let Democratic voters pick Mr. Bidens running mate as being a betrayal of Ms. Harris. That would be a misreading of the situation. Certainly he would be free to express his views about various possible running mates as did Roosevelt in 1944 and there is every reason to think that she would win the nomination on her own. There is nothing disloyal about putting the vice president in a position in which she wins the slot and becomes a more and more proven and battle-tested political leader in the process. If she were to prevail in her effort to be renominated, she would certainly be a stronger candidate and a more powerful vice president.
 
Giving voters a chance to participate in selecting Mr. Bidens running mate in 2024 would address the issue of age and succession. It would show him to be confident, engaged, unafraid, farsighted and even vital.