[kaldridgewv2211]

Biden/Harris need to hit a bunch of homers.  She underperformed in the dem primary this go around.  If she ran as POTUS with a new running mate I’m not sure what kind of chance they have.  Unless things really turn around I think the pendulum might swing back the other way even harder.
 
Going to have to deal with all the Trump chuckle heads that might get elected also.  Nepotism Barbie gonna primary Liddle Marco.  Laura gonna run in SC.  Junior will run somewhere.

[Unknown Member]

4 years is long time

[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Chris Coons: Biden Is Planning to Run Again In 2024[/b][/h1]  
Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) told [link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/transition-playbook/2021/01/20/biden-is-planning-to-run-again-in-2024-792879]Politico[/link] that President Biden will run for re-election.
 
Said Coons: He is planning to run again. He knows that we are at the middle of an absolute turning point, a pivot point in American history. And hes up for the challenge.
 
Speculating about 2024 hours after Bidens swearing-in is stepping on his Inauguration Day a bit, but the new presidents reelection plans will have immediate consequences.
 
Congress will treat him differently. Democrats eyeing their own White House runs will either be frozen in place or will be able to do the politicking that likely 2024 Republican candidates like Nikki Haley and South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem are already doing. And it will affect both what Vice President Kamala Harris does and how she is covered when she does it.
 

[btomba_77]

[h1] Roy Cooper … Harris’ VP?[/h1]  
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/02/what-north-carolina-and-roy-cooper-can-teach-democrats/617874/]The Atlantic[/link]: In 2016, North Carolina Democrats went into Election Day thinking they could sweep the competitive races for president, Senate, and governor. Only Roy Cooper won. In 2020, the dynamic was the same: three marquee races, and only Cooper pulled it off. Figuring out why Cooper keeps winning could have potentially huge implications for determining whether hes a fluke or a model for Democrats across the South and in other red states.
 
Coopers races never became national Democratic causes. He has set no major fundraising records. Hes not an otherworldly political talent. And yet his success is already a source of chatter among some political obsessives gaming out the 2024 presidential ticket. Cooper, they told me, could offer a compelling balance to Vice President Kamala Harris as the white male Democratic governor of an important swing state.
 

[btomba_77]

[h1]Betting Markets see Kamala Harris as Most Likely to Win In 2024[/h1]  
Vice President Kamala Harris is favorite to win the next presidential election with 22% implied probability, ahead of Joe Biden at 20% and Donald Trump at 14%, according to betting odds from British bookmaker Ladbrokes, [link=https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-politics-harris-idUKKCN2AT23Z]Reuters[/link] reports.
 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://victory-insights.com/files/Iowa_Biden_04-21_PollReport.pdf]Victory Insights[/link] poll of Iowa Democrats:

Biden commands the Democratic party, Harris next in line followed by Pete.

Iowa Democrats also have little worry over Biden’s cognitive abilities. Only 12% of Democrats believe Biden experiences any cognitive decline, compared to 45% of nonpartisan voters and 74% of Republicans.

[btomba_77]

 Interesting piece . (Was listening to the author on a radio show this morning on how the Harris camp views Buttigieg as a real threat)

[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/08/kamala-harris-interview/619657/]https://www.theatlantic.c…rris-interview/619657/[/link]

[h1][b]Kamala Harris Knows Shes Trapped[/b][/h1] [b]
[/b]
[b]The vice president needs to win over the voters who approve of Biden, but not of her performance.[/b]

{G}iven that she is positioned to represent the future of the Democratic Party. As the oldest president ever to serve, Biden is not guaranteed to seek reelection in 2024, making Harris the heir apparent. Yet many Democrats openly doubt Harriss ability to defeat either Trump (should he run again) or one of the many Republicans remaking themselves in his image.

…

Harriss fiercest defenders have hinted that Biden has put her in an impossible position. Some of her allies told me they are upset that she accepted the daunting assignment of curbing illegal border crossings, fretting that the issue might doom any future presidential run. Theyre annoyed with both Biden for giving her the job and her staff for letting her take it. A once and potential future presidential rival, [b]Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, is out traversing the country, talking about road and bridge projects that Americans eagerly want built, while Harris has become the face of perhaps the most polarizing issue in politics[/b], one of her campaign fundraisers told me. Can you think of a worse issue for a general election than the border? this person said. But that argument misses the cold reality of the job: I dont know how many successful vice presidents remain successful by saying no to the president when he asks you to do something, a senior White House official told me.

…  
Should harris run for president in the next election or the one after that, she would start the race as a strong favorite. But shes an unproven candidate at the highest level. Her 2020 primary campaign didnt go well; she dropped out a month before the first contest, in Iowa. I dont think theres overwhelming enthusiasm for her, Lou DAllesandro, a Democratic state senator from New Hampshire, traditionally the nations first primary state, told me. People just dont know her. [b]Normally a sitting vice president might clear the field. Thats not likely to be the case in the event Biden heads home. [/b]I dont see everybody saying, Okay, shes the vice president. Now she is automatically the nominee, Bill Bradley, the former Democratic senator, who mounted a strong challenge to Gore in 2000, told me. Thats not the way it works.

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[btomba_77]

xxx wrong thread

[kaldridgewv2211]

didn’t read this before.  Kamala vs Trump is kind of like Hillary vs Trump in my mind.  How many people are going to like voting for Kamala.  She’s kind of like Hillary in that I just don’t find her appealing or likeable.
 
Buttigieg seems like a good candidate.  Seems like a smart guy.  However, I’d guess it’s still a steep uphill climb for a gay candidate.

[kayla.meyer_144]

The unlikeable grifter [u]man[/u] who has proven himself to be incompetent but a very good professional grifter vs the unlikeable but competent [u]woman[/u]?
 
Sorry, does not seem a hard choice to me. 
 
But you mean a gay president with his First Gentleman would be supported by a majority of Americans including the Electoral College?
 
Not sure he is a shoo-in any more than Kamala.
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from Frumious

The unlikeable grifter [u]man[/u] who has proven himself to be incompetent but a very good professional grifter vs the unlikeable but competent [u]woman[/u]?

Sorry, does not seem a hard choice to me. 

But you mean a gay president with his First Gentleman would be supported by a majority of Americans including the Electoral College?

Not sure he is a shoo-in any more than Kamala.

I’d vote for Kamala.  I’m just saying I don’t think everyone will.  Hillary was vastly more competent than TRump.  Who won?  Trump.  Why?  Because a lot of people wouldn’t bite the bullet and vote for her.
 
I think Pete is the better candidate so far.  Dergon makes a good point about being scandal free.  I also wrote it’s a steep hill to climb as the gay candidate.  There’s some part of the electorate that isn’t going to vote for him because he’s gay.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Yes, I agree with all of that.
 
The future elections will always depend on whether Democratic voters turn out like 2018 or stay home like 2016. 

[btomba_77]

I think Buttigieg would be a stronger general election candidate than Harris.  
 
Much stronger if he gets through his stint with Biden free of scandal or major error.

[kayla.meyer_144]

“Stronger” does not mean electable either. Yet.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-09-20/after-california-recall-is-white-house-next-for-newsom]https://www.latimes.com/p…-house-next-for-newsom[/link]

[h1]Column: Could Gavin Newsom be president? Not with Kamala Harris next in line[/h1]

Newsom should be a very hot commodity right now, especially after beating the recall by such a huge margin. He might conceivably top the list of prospective Democratic presidential candidates touted by political gossips and others who set the early betting line.
 
But one thing stands in his way: Vice President Kamala Harris.

…

Ronald Reagan used Sacramento as his stepping stone to the White House and others tried. Jerry Brown ran for president three times, and [link=https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-xpm-2013-dec-17-la-pn-jerry-brown-president-2016-20131217-story.html]probably would have done so again in 2016[/link] if his age, 78 at the time, hadnt caught up with him. Pete Wilson also gave it a shot.
 
Part of it is heft, that whole nation-state thing.
 
Apart from president, there is no bigger job in American politics than leading the wealthiest and most populous state in the country.

…

He seems a shoo-in for reelection next year unless, say, the governor returns to the French Laundry to sign legislation parking oil rigs off the shoreline from San Diego to Crescent City.
 
Newsom may be checkmated by Harris at the moment, but time is on his side. At just 53 years old, he could seek the presidency anytime between now and 2044 and still be younger than Biden when he took the oath of office in January.

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[btomba_77]

[b]Harris and Buttigieg Under the Spotlight[/b][/h1]  
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/harris-buttigieg-democrats/2021/11/13/3215219c-4310-11ec-9ea7-3eb2406a2e24_story.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_politics]Washington Post[/link]: For now, at least, Harris and Buttigieg, barrier-breaking Democrats who failed in their initial White House bids, are the highest-profile prospects to succeed Biden at the top of the Democratic ticket in 2024 or 2028, although other promising candidates are all but certain to emerge. Biden has said he plans to run for reelection, but as he nears his 79th birthday, even some of his allies are not sure he will.
 
Many Democrats see Harriss and Buttigiegs political fortunes as diverging in the first 10 months of Bidens presidency. While Buttigieg has become a visible advocate for the administrations top legislative achievement, Harris often has been associated with its biggest trouble areas, including immigration and voting rights and, in the past week, U.S.-French relations.

 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Mayor Pete FTW.

[btomba_77]

The fever dream lives on…
 
 
[b]WSJ Editorial[/b]

( [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-2024-comeback-president-biden-harris-democrat-nominee-race-2022-midterm-loss-11641914951?mod=djemalertNEWS]https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-2024-comeback-president-biden-harris-democrat-nominee-race-2022-midterm-loss-11641914951?mod=djemalertNEWS[/link])

[h1]Hillary Clintons 2024 Election Comeback[/h1] [h2]Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have become unpopular. It may be time for a change candidate.[/h2]
A perfect storm in the Democratic Party is making a once-unfathomable scenario plausible: a political comeback for Hillary Clinton in 2024.
 
Several circumstancesPresident Bidens low approval rating, doubts over his capacity to run for re-election at 82, Vice President Kamala Harriss unpopularity, and the absence of another strong Democrat to lead the ticket in 2024have created a leadership vacuum in the party, which Mrs. Clinton viably could fill.
 

[btomba_77]

Even more nutsy  from Tom Friedman…
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/democratic-ticket-liz-cheney-2024.html] Opinion | Biden-Cheney 2024?

[/link]
 

Saving a democratic system requires huge political sacrifice, added Levitsky. It means A.O.C. campaigning for Liz Cheney and it means Liz Cheney putting on the shelf many policy goals she and other Republicans cherish. But that is what it takes, and if you dont do it, just look back and see why democracy collapsed in countries like Germany, Spain and Chile. The democratic forces there should have done it, but they didnt.
 
To put it differently, this Trump-cult version of the G.O.P. is trying to gain power through an election, but its trying to increase its odds of winning by gaming the system in battleground states. Americas small-d democrats need to counter those moves and increase their odds of winning. The best way to do that is by creating a broad national unity vehicle that enables more Republicans to leave the Trump cult without having to just become big-D Democrats. We all have to be small-d democrats now, or we wont have a system to be big-D or big-R anythings.
 
That is what civic-minded Israeli elites did when they created a broad national unity coalition whose main mission was to make the basic functions of government work again and safeguard the integrity of Israels democracy.
 
…

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

Even more nutsy  from Tom Friedman…

[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/democratic-ticket-liz-cheney-2024.html] Opinion | Biden-Cheney 2024?

[/link]

Saving a democratic system requires huge political sacrifice, added Levitsky. It means A.O.C. campaigning for Liz Cheney and it means Liz Cheney putting on the shelf many policy goals she and other Republicans cherish. But that is what it takes, and if you dont do it, just look back and see why democracy collapsed in countries like Germany, Spain and Chile. The democratic forces there should have done it, but they didnt.

To put it differently, this Trump-cult version of the G.O.P. is trying to gain power through an election, but its trying to increase its odds of winning by gaming the system in battleground states. Americas small-d democrats need to counter those moves and increase their odds of winning. [b]The best way to do that is by creating a broad national unity vehicle that enables more Republicans to leave the Trump cult without having to just become big-D Democrats. We all have to be small-d democrats now, or we wont have a system to be big-D or big-R anythings.[/b]

That is what civic-minded Israeli elites did when they created a broad national unity coalition whose main mission was to make the basic functions of government work again and safeguard the integrity of Israels democracy.

…

It’s an interesting premise and while extreme it’s along the lines of what I have been suggesting.
 
I’ll ad these quotes:
 
[b]”This is the democratic way of defeating a threat to democracy.[/b]”
 
[b]”Such a vehicle in America, said Levitsky, should be able to shave a small but decisive fraction of Republican votes away from Trump. In a tight race, it would take only 5 or 10 percent of Republicans leaving Trump to assure victory. And that is what matters.”[/b]
 
I don’t buy the all or nothing that without it democracy is dead. But it is worth exploring unusual options. Strange bed fellows is one of them. It does not have to be as extreme as AOC campaigning for Cheney. It just requires movement away from the “extreme policy goals”.
 
Unfortunately, the Dems have to be the ones to do the heavy lifting because the extreme right is out of their minds. Do they have the guts?
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from dergon

Even more nutsy  from Tom Friedman…

Yeah, I can see it now, Democrats lining up to vote for the ticket because Liz excites them. Right next to all the Republicans lined up because Liz excites them.
 
Pass the psychotropic please & don’t bogart it. And where are those cookies, I’m hungry.
 
 

[satyanar]

So he is or he isnt nutsy?

[satyanar]

All of these labels: left, right, nutsy, expert. One cant figure who to believe unless one knows how they are labeled. I need to know so I can decide whether they should be mocked and ridiculed or not.

[kaldridgewv2211]

If it were Lez vs Kamala I’d vote for Liz.

[btomba_77]

Clinton will give a speech in NYC today.

Get ready for a flurry of Fox/OAN/Newsmax/NYPost  “Hillary is running in 2024” pieces.

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

You do realize that some left wing pundits are saying this right?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Yeah? Who exactly? All Ive seen is a wet dream fantasy by right wing media.

[btomba_77]

Quote from Frumious

Yeah? Who exactly? All Ive seen is a wet dream fantasy by right wing media.

He probably means Doug Schoen, who, while nominally a Democrat is certainly not left or liberal and has been so long out of the fold of the Democratic party apparatus that he only keeps the D in front of his name to get more Fox News hits and WSJ editorial invites.
 
He dropped his support for HRC very publicly in 2016 because of Comey/Huma.
 
 As Steve Benen put it,  Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat” and said he is “actively hostile towards party’s agenda.” (And that was back in the Obama years)
 
 
 
 
He was Tulsi Gabbard before Tulsi Gabbard became Tulsi Gabbard.
 
 
(It was Schoen’s finger on the pulse of the Democratic party in 2020 that allowed Michael Bloomberg to gain 2 delegates from American Samoa at the cost of only $500 million)
 
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Doug is anything but a schön Democrat.
 
This is all right wing stirring up the waters for their credulous audience. Then there are those who know its only propagandaLike Rush telling his audience that Vince Fosterwas murdered by the Clintons.
 
[link=https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/hillary-clinton-is-definitely-running-again-in-2024.html]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/hillary-clinton-is-definitely-running-again-in-2024.html[/link]

[link=https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/18/opinions/hillary-clinton-2024-reaction-dantonio/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/18/opinions/hillary-clinton-2024-reaction-dantonio/index.html[/link]
 

[satyanar]

Way to go Fumri! FTW.

[btomba_77]

If there’s one thing that unites the Republican party … Trumpists, never-Trumpers, Evangelicals, Country Club moderates, toothless hillbillies in Appalachia,  small business owners,  whatever … they *all* get erections at the thought of running against Hillary Clinton again.
 
…….
 
and as predicted …

NYPost: [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2022%2F02%2F17%2Fhillary-clinton-the-definition-of-insanity%2F]Hillary Clinton the definition of insanity[/link]
Outkick: [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.outkick.com%2Fwho-else-do-they-have-clay-travis-thinks-hillary-will-represent-dems-in-2024%2F]’Who Else Do They Have?’ Clay Travis Thinks Hillary Will Represent Dems In 2024[/link]
Fox: [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Flaura-ingraham-hillary-clinton-president-2024]Laura Ingraham suggests running mate for Hillary Clinton’s potential 2024 presidential campaign[/link]
WSJ: [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fhillary-clinton-2024-comeback-president-biden-harris-democrat-nominee-race-2022-midterm-loss-11641914951]Hillary Clintons 2024 Election Comeback[/link]

[satyanar]

Quote from dergon

If there’s one thing that unites the Republican party … Trumpists, never-Trumpers, Evangelicals, Country Club moderates, toothless hillbillies in Appalachia,  small business owners,  whatever … they *all* get erections at the thought of running against Hillary.
 

Such a classic ploy by you and Frumi and chiro. Is this the only strategy you have? You do realize how many Country Club moderates and small business owners would pick Hillary this time if they could go back in time? Policy wise she would have been fine. She was just unlikeable. You do realize she was using your tactic here when she talked about the deplorables?
 

Have you seriously not figured it out?
 
Stop lumping reasonable people in with your favorite sub class of human you like to make fun of. They are going to vote against you in spite. Just like they did Hillary. 
 
If the Dems would rally around Clinton and moderate policy I think she would win. Not sure why it would be any Republicans wet dream.  
 
 
   
 

[btomba_77]

Quote from dergon

Quote from Frumious

Yeah? Who exactly? All Ive seen is a wet dream fantasy by right wing media.

He probably means Doug Schoen, who, while nominally a Democrat is certainly not left or liberal and has been so long out of the fold of the Democratic party apparatus that he only keeps the D in front of his name to get more Fox News hits and WSJ editorial invites.

He dropped his support for HRC very publicly in 2016 because of Comey/Huma.

As Steve Benen put it,  Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat” and said he is “actively hostile towards party’s agenda.” (And that was back in the Obama years)

He was Tulsi Gabbard before Tulsi Gabbard became Tulsi Gabbard.

(It was Schoen’s finger on the pulse of the Democratic party in 2020 that allowed Michael Bloomberg to gain 2 delegates from American Samoa at the cost of only $500 million)

 

yeah …. [b]that[/b] Doug Schoen … [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]
[link=https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3544103-now-more-than-ever-democrats-need-hillary-clinton/]https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3544103-now-more-than-ever-democrats-need-hillary-clinton/[/link]

Doug Schoen:
[h1]Now more than ever, Democrats need Hillary Clinton[/h1]  

[ruszja]

Neck on neck between ‘someone else’ and ‘god help us’.

[kayla.meyer_144]

No, God help us! was & still is Donnie, followed closely by DeSantis.
 
But Dems do need someone other than Joe. Someone not afraid to spit back on issues, Trumpers & media. Someone whose coattails are long.

[btomba_77]

Give me Youngkin v. Buttigieg and let’s let the chips fall where they may.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Be interesting to see Youngkin v DeSantis in primaries.
 
Would like to see Buttigieg quickly mature in primaries. And a gay married man? Not only would evangelicals loose their cookies but so would fundamentalist Catholic Supremes.
 
Regardless, Buttigieg needs long coattails to bring out all Democratic constituencies to have landslide Dem victories in congress & states otherwise we all will continue to suffer death by a thousand little cuts. 
 
I can see it now, Buttigieg wins but Congress either in Republican hands or tiny majority of Dems, like now, unable to do anything as whiny Dems complain Buttigieg didnt do anything.
 
Been there, done that, several times over. 
 
 

[satyanar]

Fun hypothetical. Who wins a Hillary/Donald rematch? I think all of the people dergon is saying will be walking around with erections will soon succumb to ED. And there will be a lot fewer than was predicted to start.

[alyaa.rifaie_129]

HRC v Trump – interesting Smercornish  has discussed an HRC run a couple of times this week. (despite Frumi claiming when I posted no one on the left has  talked about HRC and dergon saying I was talking about some pollster). Mark Halperin, is on Smercornish every Wednesday, and had discussed that if election held today it would be HRC v Trump. So there was a lively discussion between him and Smercornish which continued w open listener calls. Smercornish also discussed the rematch again on Friday. Thursday his daily poll asked if 2024 would be a 2016 rematch. It was pretty lopsided w an overwhelming respondents saying there would not be a rematch. 

[satyanar]

Oh I doubt very much it will. I was just interested knowing how people would handicap the race this time. My experience with moderates of every flavor suggests they would be happy to take Hillary over DJT.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ixrayu

HRC v Trump – interesting Smercornish  has discussed an HRC run a couple of times this week. (despite Frumi claiming when I posted no one on the left has  talked about HRC and dergon saying I was talking about some pollster). Mark Halperin, is on Smercornish every Wednesday, and had discussed that if election held today it would be HRC v Trump. So there was a lively discussion between him and Smercornish which continued w open listener calls. Smercornish also discussed the rematch again on Friday. Thursday his daily poll asked if 2024 would be a 2016 rematch. It was pretty lopsided w an overwhelming respondents saying there would not be a rematch. 

Quote from Ixrayu

 
You do realize that [b]some left wing pundits are saying this[/b] right? 

 

A couple of problems with your claim.
 
One, Mark Halperin?   OK, fine, not exactly my go-to pundit though for what’s happening on the left or center.
Two, You claimed “pundits” as in plural, as in more than a single pundit. Who else besides Schoen? Or maybe Halperin?
Third, post a link to Halperin’s claim Hillary would be the candidate in 2024 for the Democrats. I missed that. Can’t exactly seem to find a site that makes that claim by Halperin. On Smerconish’s site all I found was a reference to Schoen. But not Halperin.
 
You can however find multitudes of hits, all on Right-wing sites by searching for Hillary in 2024 all is if it’s a given slam-dunk thing, a bit of political porn.

[satyanar]

What value is there for you and dergon to prove no left wing columnists are talking about a Clinton run. Honestly. Whats the big deal in the prediction that people would talk about her candidacy after she fixes a speech?

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/what-will-dems-do-if-biden-doesnt-run]Vanity Fair[/link]
[h1][b]PLAN B IS “COMPLETE F*CKING CHAOS: WHAT WILL DEMS DO IF BIDEN DOESNT RUN?[/b][/h1] So a behind-the-scenes Democratic conversation is becoming increasingly active and anxious: If Biden does not run, whether for political or personal reasons, what then? Plan B, says Cornell Belcher, a pollster and adviser on both of Barack Obamas successful runs for the White House, is complete ….ing chaos in the Democratic primary.

…

Harriss first year as V.P. was rocky. The administration saddled her with two highly difficult policy issuessouthern immigration and voting rightsand has given Harris little room to burnish her image. Shes been a good trouper, says Charles Phillips, cochair of Black Economic Alliance. My hope is she gets something thats more mainstream, and visible, that she can get her arms around and take credit for.

That would help further distance Harris from the 2020 campaign, when she dropped out before any primary votes were cast. Harris was considered a weak retail politician during the primary, a top adviser to a rival 2020 contender says. Shes only gotten weaker in this White House, where theyve put incredible barriers around her. Possibly because there appears to be another Biden inner-circle favorite. The other active crowd in the party is the Obamanauts, the national Democratic strategist says. And theyre all about Buttigieg.
 

[ruszja]

I watched Bidens press conference that followed the NATO meeting today.
You better find someone who can run in 2024, because he is not all there at this point.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Id probably be ok voting for a non crazy republican but I dont see that happening. Not sure Id be down for Kamala

[btomba_77]

I honestly have a really hard time believing that Harris can win the D primary even as a sitting VP

[Unknown Member]

A lot can happen in 2 and half years

[ranweiss]

I’m not typically political…
 
But living in a super liberal city / state – and being pretty left myself on many issues….there is NO WAY i’d vote for kamala for president. 
 
The mess the current administration is making of our country is wild. 

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Id probably be ok voting for a non crazy republican but I dont see that happening. Not sure Id be down for Kamala

 
The easter bunny, Santa Claus and a non-crazy republican walk into a bar……
 
 
 
(at this point, they are all about equally real)

[btomba_77]

I would never consider voting for a Republican for President, but I would sure sleep a bit easier with a pro-democracy GOP nominee in the mold of a Romney/Huntsman.
 
But I think the choice from the Republican party is going to be Trump vs. Trumpy.
 
___
 
As for the current administration. The economy pretty good on paper, but inflation ruins just about all of the other good news and if effects [b]everybody[/b], so it has a lot of political effect.
 
Biden got elected to be “not Trump” and “return to normal.”    He accomplished #1, but whatever this is right now, it sure as hell ain’t “normal.”
 
(And I am strong supporter of the administration)

[Unknown Member]

Yes inflation is bad and might get worse before it gets better

Yes there is a war in Ukraine

But

If you want a job you could probably find 3

If you have savings its probably increasing

If you want a raise you can probably get one

I was just a med student in 2009 but economically things were one heck of a lot worse

[btomba_77]

Yeah, sure. But “it’s not as bad as the bottom of the Great Recession” isn’t exactly a strong selling point.
 
 

[Unknown Member]

True

But alot can happen in 2 years especially when anyone can easily find a job

Now finding a good candidate in 2 years well thats another story altogether

My feeling is that issue will be much more difficult for the democrats than the economy

[kayla.meyer_144]

With much of the media selling FUD, its difficult to wedge in the message that this is not the End Times.
 
We elected Biden to change the chaos President for the calm President. Mission accomplished.
 
As for him exhibiting dementia, if thats dementia, Ill take it over Donalds chaos crazy anyday. World leaders seem to feel the same as they line up behind Biden in solidarity.
 
Inflation is global, not local. America is one of if not THE largest producer of gas & oil but yet the price of gasoline & oil has shot up because of Biden but not because of oil producers & investors actions? Not due to supply chain interruptions due to COVID & exporting all of our manufacturing & industry to China, outside of US borders?
 
Putin is still being declared as some hero to some Americans while still complaining Bidens not doing enough? Like?
 
Yes, things have been worse in the past 50 years but bumper stickers arent solutions nor does it help those who did not experience worse times.
 
IMHO, the biggest problem is our industry of FUD & conspiracies & downright ignorance.
 
No, Harris is only VP material at best at this time. But the question is less about Democrats finding a worthy candidate when Republicans can only front a Trump or Trumpy candidate backed by Q & stolen elections, etc.
 
The next Trump will likely be not as incompetent as Trump. And for all his incompetency, consider the damage hes been able to accomplish with his own useful idiots.
 
Our focus is out of whack when Trump or Trumpier is considered a more viable option over any Democrat.
 

 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1670767426621829122]https://twitter.com/david…us/1670767426621829122[/link]

David Frum with a winner of a thread on Democratic challengers to Joe Biden: 

In 2012, Barack Obama’s renomination was challenged by an assortment of ultra leftists, birth-certificate deniers, perennial candidates, and even an incarcerated felon. Together, they reduced Obama’s share of the primary vote to 88%, the lowest for an incumbent since 1992. 1/x

Obama of course then proceeded to win re-election regardless – because unlike the renomination challenges to Bush in 1992, Carter in 1980, or Ford in 1976, the challengers to Obama in 2012 did not express an authentic party split. They were marginal to real world party concerns.

The people now trying to stand up an internal challenge to Biden’s renomination are repeating 2012.[b] Their messages (anti-vaccine, pro-Russia) could not be less relevant to Democratic primaries, The challengers are talking to a right-wing online audience;[/b] seeking views, not votes.

Those of us who spend a lot of time online, and especially on Twitter, are exposed to much of such foolishness. But consider: the people who failed to sell Twitter Blue to their own fan-base- how successful will they be selling a right-wing ringer to Democratic primary voters?

[b]There are issues that Democratic voters surely are prepared to argue with each other about. But not vaccines. Not “are we being too harsh on Putin?” Not “is fluoride in the water turning the frogs gay?” If that’s what you’re selling-your wished-for market won’t be buying.[/b] END 

[stlmchenry_510]

I dont like the idea of children with severe developmental disabilities being institutionalized. I have and uncle I never knew, and I found out earlier this year he died at this horrible institution in New York called Willowbrook. He was severely disabled from a traumatic forceps birth delivery and lived to be a young adult. He died from aspiration pneumonia and theres rumors it was because of the rapid force feeding of residents due to insufficient funding. It was horrible.
[link]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRK0LO-9ZYk[/link]
Its funny, I remember being upset as a kid reading about the horrors of these Russian orphanages where disabled kids were all put in a cement room with a drain in the middle and had no idea the US was pretty much the same.

[stlmchenry_510]

We cant let something like this ever happen again.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Its about money. Its always about $. & the reason Conservatives dont want government involved in social spending requiring adequate taxes to pay for care.

Why Reagan released people from hospitals into the streets, to save money.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Hannity and RFK. Its a doozy.

[link=https://twitter.com/avindman/status/1684019541419126785?s=46&t=rWwiVdwocpuvqskgif1xxA]https://twitter.com/avind…rWwiVdwocpuvqskgif1xxA[/link]

Absolutely nothing this clown said is remotely correct. The dates, names, places, context, everything was wrong. To anyone who understands this topic he sounds like a complete ignoramus . https://t.co/AFoAcqiKKm

— Alexander S. Vindman 🇺🇸 (@AVindman) July 26, 2023

[Unknown Member]

Yes unemployment is awful

The stock market sucks

Wages are actually increasing

Total fng mess

[btomba_77]

non-scientific poll of subscribers to a political website. ( “Political Wire” readers are likely highly educated and probably core Democrats for the most part.)
[h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2022/04/14/should-joe-biden-run-in-2024/]Should Joe Biden Run In 2024?[/link][/h2]
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Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg comes out on top among the most obvious choices, but Someone Else comes in a strong second.

Theres really no clear consensus among those who chose to write in a possible nominee. The most frequently mentioned choices were Gretchen Whitmer, Mitch Landrieu, Sherrod Brown, Michelle Obama, Roy Cooper, Stacey Abrams, Jon Tester, Mark Kelley, Ro Khanna, Mark Warner, John Fetterman and Jared Polis.

A fair number of readers also wrote in some version of God, help us.
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[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Biden Told Obama Hes Running Again in 2024[/b][/h1]  
President Biden has told former President Barack Obama that he is planning to run for re-election in 2024, two sources tell [link=https://thehill.com/news/administration/3272281-biden-has-told-obama-hes-running-again/?email=066c0990fa413d52c3842f29a42abb22ffa00eae&emaila=02c3337a6605235631b8cab2e023d54e&emailb=e0d37ab6f97ed06914f0e75a1ebed673001a81f7f84978ff9209f3e23f7ba5d3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=04.19.22%20KB%20The%20Hill%20-%208%20AM%20-%20News%20Alert%20-%20Midday%20lead&utm_term=News%20Alerts]The Hill[/link].
 
Teagan Goddard: “It makes sense politically for Biden to say hes running … at least until hes not.”
 

[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Bernie Sanders Open to Running for President In 2024 if Biden Doesn’t[/b][/h1]  
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is open to running for president in 2024 if President Biden declines to seek reelection, according to a campaign memo a top political adviser distributed to allies, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/20/sanders-president-2024/]Washington Post[/link] reports.
 
Said Sanders spokesman Mike Casca: While its frustrating this private memo leaked to the media, the central fact remains true, which is that Senator Sanders is the most popular officeholder in the country.
Sanders would be 83 years old on Inauguration Day 2025.
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Stop running octogenarians.

[satyanar]

The Dems should worry about a lot more than age if Bernie ends up being the nominee.

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Stop running octogenarians.

 
Stop having your leadership positions hogged by octogenarians too. By Nov 20th, president, speaker and majority leader will all be north of 80. Chuck Shumer is almost juvenile at 71.
 
 

[btomba_77]

The presidency is a monstrously taxing job and the stark reality is the president would be closer to 90 than 80 at the end of a second term, and that would be a major issue.
 
David Axelrod, quoted by the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html]New York Times[/link].
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

After the midterms regardless of outcomes, Biden will be encouraged to step aside for 2024 IMHO. I believe same for Pelosi and Schumer, especially if GQP takeover of congress in 2022 midterm.
 

[satyanar]

[link=https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3523104-as-washington-spirals-we-should-ask-ourselves-what-would-lincoln-do/]As Washington spirals, we should ask ourselves: What would Lincoln do? | The Hill[/link]

[btomba_77]

[b]Biden Will Almost Certainly Run… If Trump Does[/b][/h1]  
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/17/biden-signals-run-for-reelection/]Washington Post[/link]: Bidens reelection plans do not entirely hinge on what Trump does, but aides and allies agree the president would almost certainly not change his mind about running again if Trump is the Republican nominee and he is healthy enough for a campaign, a fact Biden has acknowledged. Biden considers his defeat of Trump, whom he sees as disrupter of American democratic traditions, central to his legacy.
 
Said former Biden campaign manager Greg Schultz: If Trump is going to run, there is no question Biden is running, and he would probably run regardless.

 

[btomba_77]

[b]Gavin Newsom Getting Ready to Run?[/b][/h1]  
Gavin Newsom keeps picking exactly the kinds of fights that presidential candidates like to pick, the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/us/politics/gavin-newsom-2024-president.html]New York Times[/link] reports.
 
And though Newsom has declared that he has subzero interest in running for president and aides insist that he is deadly earnest about that he appears to be not only positioning himself as a point man for blue states but also laying the groundwork for a future White House run.
 
Said David Axelrod: If the president were not to run, its hard to imagine that Newsom would not be sorely tempted to enter the race. Newsom is young and politically muscular, which may be just what the market will be seeking post-Biden.

 

[btomba_77]

[h1][b]The Biden-Harris Problem[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/06/23/the-biden-harris-problem]The Economist[/link]: No Democrat relishes the idea of Joe Biden fighting another campaign. Yet his aides have described plans for onebecause if Donald Trump runs again, it seems the president wants to.

…

If Mr Biden steps aside, the vice-president, Kamala Harris, is expected to be the Democratic nominee. And many fear she would lose to Mr Trump or one of his imitators, because of another combination of dire fundamentals and poor political skills. If America was not ready for a woman president in 2016, it is probably no readier for a black woman now. And Ms Harris, a Californian progressive unused to competitive elections, was exposed during her brief primary tilt in 2019 as an awkward campaigner with few fixed views. Mr Biden shone by comparison.
 
The question, then, is can Democrats bypass them both?

___________

I’ve said before that I don’t think Kamala Harris can win a general election.  And I think a whole lot of Democratic officials, donors, insiders, and plenty of the base agree.   That means that I biden steps aside there will likely be multiple Dems tossing in their hats for the nomination.  

But who comes out of that scrum? Bernie? Newsom? Mayor Pete? Warren? Klobuchar? Booker? 
 

[Unknown Member]

Gavin Newsome

[satyanar]

I believe Newsom has the best chance of winning the election if it happened right now. Too bad hes saying he wont run. Is this part of the plan? Lots of time for things to change though.