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2020 Presidential Debates.
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Pete ran 20 years too early and blew his chance.
Agree with part 1
disagree with part 2
Pete was early.
But his run, despite not getting the nomination, was still quite successful. He elevated his national profile in a way that he could never had hoped to do otherwise. He was positive, high-minded, calm and practical throughout.
If Biden wins Pete should push for a position that gives him foreign policy credibility. (Ambassador to the UN a la Haley might be a good path) and set himself up for 2024 or 2028 or even later.
For me $0.02 the question for Pete is whether Joe Biden is the last white guy to head the Dem ticket for a while. But that has nothing to do with his 2020 run.
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I think it can be a white guy if that person is gay or trans, right? Just anything to get you into a minority group. Can’t be hetero, male, and white anymore. At least not for awhile.
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[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-debates-economy/fact-checking-u-s-economic-claims-in-tumultuous-trump-biden-debate-idUSKBN26L0ME]https://www.reuters.com/a…n-debate-idUSKBN26L0ME[/link]
Pretty middle of the road fact check of both sides on the economy (albeit, a very superficial take) by Reuters.
Pete and Yang are before their time. The whole “not enough experience” thing is a BS argument. He seemed to have enough humility to know what he didn’t know, rather than someone who has been in DC for 40+ years, or has been a rich person surrounded by yes men for 70 years. Yang– not sure about the UBI thing, but he was at least forward thinking.
Anyways– I don’t know how I ended up on the politics board. Must be a slow day on the main page.
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[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/trumps-losing/616543/]David Frum[/link]: Trump walked onto that stage in Cleveland seven or eight points behind, because the traditional Republican advantage among upper-income and educated voters has dwindled; because non-college-educated white women have turned against him; because he is losing older voters to his mishandling of COVID-19; because the groups he needs to be demobilizedAfrican Americans, the youngare up-mobilized. On the present trajectory, nearly 150 million votes are likely to be cast in 2020. If Trump wins 43 percent of them and Joe Biden 50 percent, not even the Electoral College can convert that negative margin into a second Trump term.
He needed to do something to change that reality.
Instead, he talked to Facebook conspiracists, to the angriest of ultra-Republican partisans, and to violent white supremacists. He urged the Proud Boys to stand by because somebodys got to do something about antifa and the left. He refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power in the (likely) event that he loses. He threatened months and months of chaos if the election does not go his way.
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CBS post-debate poll:
Tonight’s Debate made you think…
Biden: Better of him 38% (+6)
Worse of him 32% .
Trump:
Better of him 24% (-18)
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Parallels to 2012 first debate
Reporting now that Trump left the stage very satisfied with his performance, believing that he dominated Biden.
Like Obama who flopped debate 1 in 2012 and came off the stage thinking he nailed it, Trumps advisers are having to get the reality through to him.
They think it likely cost him some women voters and didnt gain him any.
So if were on the 2012 theme, it then falls to Pence to come in and right the ship in the VL debate
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Also, team Biden messaging that they really think Biden can shine in the town hall format.
Lobbying for format changes that might help him even more already under way since they think they now have the upper hand working the refs at the debate commission
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lol I can just see him walking off being all like “nailed it.”
I remember that Obama debate too…man he stunk. He looked like he forgot he was debating that night.
I also forgot that Trump “lost” all the debates in 2016
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[h1]Another Poll Suggests Biden Won First Debate[/h1]
A new [link=https://morningconsult.com/2020/10/01/debate-polling-trump-biden-2020/]Morning Consult poll[/link] finds those who watched the first presidential debate think Joe Biden did a better job than Donald Trump by 50% to 34%.
Just 37% of voters who watched the debate said Trump is a good debater, down 10 points from a poll taken just before the moderated discussion.
Meanwhile, Trump [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311685923097260034]tweets[/link]: I won the debate big, based on compilation of polls etc. Thank you![/QUOTE]
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[b]Vice Presidential Debate Will Go On[/b][/h1]
The University of Utah is set to host the vice presidential debate between Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Kamala Harris as planned next week, [link=https://twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1312086891089534976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1312086891089534976%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2Flive%2F2020%2Foct%2F02%2Fdonald-trump-tests-positive-coronavirus-covid-mike-pence-joe-biden-us-politics-live-latest-news]BuzzFeed News[/link] reports.
Their policy will require everybody inside the security perimeter except for the three people onstage to wear masks at all times.-
[link]https://youtu.be/Wsije1KetVw[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/519536-aide-says-trump-campaign-doesnt-want-remote-debates]Aide says Trump campaign doesn’t want remote debates
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“Shouldn’t he be mitigating risk of getting this virus? Shouldn’t you guys be asking for a remote debate, for instance? {Chris} Todd asked.
No, Miller responded. Were in a campaign. We have a month to go. We see Joe Biden and Kamala Harris out there campaigning — certainly, they’re not asking for a remote debate.
Miller continued by saying Pence will remain on the campaign trail, with a very full, aggressive schedule, after he and his wife tested negative for COVID-19.
I have no concerns at all, he added. The vice president takes very serious all of these measures. Anyone around the vice president are tested. People are kept very safe.
Again, we can’t hide from this virus forever, Chuck, Miller added. We have to take it head on. We have to reopen our economy. And we’ve got to develop this vaccine and defeat the virus.[/QUOTE]
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NEWS: Debate commission has approved plans for plexiglass to be used at Wednesday VP debate Barrier will separate Pence and Harris, and the two candidates from moderator Susan Page
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Lets run with this plan. If Trump/Biden get a round 2. We build soundproof bubbles around them. Leave a microphone or two in said bubble. Cut the microphone after the candidate speaks. Turn it back on only when asking them for a rebuttle or a new question.
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BREAKINGNow VP Pences team is breaking earlier agreement and now *refusing* even a transparent plexiglass divider for the VP debate! Earlier Monday, Commission on Presidential Debates said dividers had been agreed to as a safety measure forCovid.
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Pence! Macho Man!
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Vice President Mike Pence has ceded to Sen. Kamala Harris demands for plexiglass to be used at Wednesday evenings debate, Politico reports.
Pences team had objected to Harris wishes for a barrier to separate the two candidates from each other and from moderator Susan Page. But after a series of talks, aides to the vice president decided to back down.
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Debate commission says they will remove people who dont comply with mask rules.
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[link=https://spectator.us/trump-should-skip-miami-debate-roger-stone/]https://spectator.us/trum…mi-debate-roger-stone/[/link]
Roger Stone urges Trump to skip the next debate
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I like this from Teagan Goddard –
[h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2020/10/07/my-reaction-to-the-vice-presidential-debate/]My Reaction to the Vice Presidential Debate[/link][/h2]
Vice President Mike Pence wasnt dealt the best hand coming into this debate. More than 210,000 have died in a pandemic that has also wrecked the economy and hurt millions of Americans. The vast majority of voters believe the country is on the wrong track.
So instead of directly answering questions, Pence spent his time stalling with platitudes and hoping the audience might forget the question that was asked. His strategy was to gaslight people with his calm demeanor and try to project some sense of normalcy in the country.
That strategy might have a chance of working during normal times, but it completely unraveled when Kamala Harris repeatedly reminded Americans of whats happened over the last four years.
Harris was more animated than Pence and she was definitely more aggressive. As we saw with Hillary Clinton four years ago, there will likely be different perceptions of Harris among men and women. But the gender gap in this election is such a problem for Trump and Pence that I think Harris only helps her ticket if women respond more favorably than men. After all, Biden picked Harris to excite the Democratic base and she did her job well tonight.
The debate was fairly substantive, especially in comparison with the first presidential face-off. Overall, Harris stuck closer to facts than Pence. She was also better at landing her attacks. Part of that was due to the hand Pence was dealt. Its incredibly hard to defend the last four years.
The debate could have been even more substantive if not for moderator Susan Page. She let Pence talk over her repeatedly. She let Pence stray from questions. For example, in response to a question on abortion, Pence actually started talking about Qassem Soleimani.
Pences best moment was when he brought up court packing. Harris didnt want to answer the question, though probably not because Democrats want to pack the court, but because Biden doesnt. It would have been better had Harris just responded that it was a question for Congress rather than the president.
My favorite moment was the fly that landed on Pences head.
However, no one watching this debate will vote for president based on their running mates. Partisans are looking for the running mate to reinforce the top of the ticket. If I had to guess, Democrats were probably happier about Harris than Republicans were about Pence.
But [b]overall, this debate didnt change much.[/b]
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Harris was Hillary 2.0. Very unlikeable just as she was in the primaries. There’s a reason she lost to Biden in the first place.
Pence didn’t really do much of anything at all.
Won’t change anyone’s minds.-
I believe some men just get angry seeing a woman in this position
It makes them feel inferior so they lash out at the woman
As being angry and unlikeableThat is an unfortunate reality
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2016 VP debate winner (CNN poll):
Pence 48%
Kaine 42%2020 VP debate winner (CNN poll):
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Quote from Chirorad84
I believe some men just get angry seeing a woman in this position
It makes them feel inferior so they lash out at the woman
As being angry and unlikeableThat is an unfortunate reality
I don’t think Pence was angry at all.-
I stick with my initial thought.
Did Kamala Harris do anything to damage public perception that she would be acceptable Commander-in-Chief? No.
If no, then the VP debat doesnit matter. If Pence wanted to help the Trump campaign reset the narrative he needed a big win with a major Harris flub that made her unacceptable.
That didn’t happen. VP debate results won’t even last another 6 hours at the top of the news cycle.-
My take
Harris did nothing to lose support for Biden
Pence did nothing to hurt trump
The only thing that will be remembered from this debate is the fly on Pences head
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Also from an obvious non trumper
Pence looked tired, frustrated and was very evasive
And that fly appeared stuck to his rug for 20 minutes
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BREAKING: The Commission on Presidential Debates says the 2nd Trump v. Biden debate – a week from today – will be VIRTUAL. Will still be a TOWN HALL style. Steve Scully & undecided voters will be in Miami. Trump will be at White House. Biden will also be remote.
Not what Trump wants to hear… will cause focus even more on the pandemic than the plexiglass —-
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Trump says he will not participate in a virtual debate.
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Good
Im sick of debates anyway
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Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien issues a new statement saying they agree to delaying the second debate by a week so it can be in person. “We agree that this should happen on October 22, and accordingly, the third debate should then be shifted back one week to October 29.”
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If he is 10 days out from the first positive and afebrile >48hrs he would be clear to go back to any other job. Why would fragile Joe refuse to debate him ?
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isn’t it the other way around? Donald refused to debate Joe because he didn’t like the format.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
isn’t it the other way around? Donald refused to debate Joe because he didn’t like the format.
That’s a matter of opinion, sort of like ‘what is the boiling point of water’ and ‘which side of the horizon does the sun rise over.’ If you dont believe that it was Joe who tried to get out of the debate, you are obviously a pinko liberal communist sympathizer (maybe even a democrat).-
Just rent the fricking pope-mobile and drive Glass Joe up to the stage for the debate.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
isn’t it the other way around? Donald refused to debate Joe because he didn’t like the format.
That’s a matter of opinion, sort of like ‘what is the boiling point of water’ and ‘which side of the horizon does the sun rise over.’ If you dont believe that it was Joe who tried to get out of the debate, you are obviously a pinko liberal communist sympathizer (maybe even a democrat).
You can look directly at the actions of Trump. Trump said no to the existing debate. Later in the day Stepien back tracked and wants to push it back. These are not opinions but facts.
Call me what you want but I there’s no alternative reality on this one. GFY.-
Quote from DICOM_Dan
You can look directly at the actions of Trump. Trump said no to the existing debate. Later in the day Stepien back tracked and wants to push it back. These are not opinions but facts.
You used ‘Trump said’ in the same sentence with ‘facts’. There is no relationship between what he says and what he says 6hrs later and what actually happens.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
isn’t it the other way around? Donald refused to debate Joe because he didn’t like the format.
Yes.
The debate commission made the change. Trump bailed.
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Quote from dergon
Quote from DICOM_Dan
isn’t it the other way around? Donald refused to debate Joe because he didn’t like the format.
Yes.
The debate commission made the change. Trump bailed.
They obviously made those changes to benefit the frail candidate of the left who was unable to get a word in sideways in the more open format. Now, with trump all juiced up and oozing manly antibodies wherever he goes, they dont want a debate with both of the cantankerous dementia patients in the same room.
I am sure one side also asked to have the venue fumigated for flies.
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Quote from fw
If he is 10 days out from the first positive and afebrile >48hrs he would be clear to go back to any other job. Why would fragile Joe refuse to debate him ?
Isn’t the 10 days since first positive only for people who never had symptoms??
Given that Trump has obviously shown disregard for the commission honor system, I can see why they would just pull the plug on in-person for now and push it off even further.
At least I think it is fair to consider him having had severe illness, given the lack of transparency and the treatment regimen provided. So go with the “20 days after symptom onset”
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Quote from fw
If he is 10 days out from the first positive and afebrile >48hrs he would be clear to go back to any other job. Why would fragile Joe refuse to debate him ?
Isn’t the 10 days since first positive only for people who never had symptoms??
[link=https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html]https://www.cdc.gov/coron…uration-isolation.html[/link]
[i]For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days [i]after symptom onset[/i]1 and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing medications, and with improvement of other symptoms.[/i]
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[i] [/i][i]For all others, a test-based strategy is no longer recommended except to discontinue isolation or precautions earlier than would occur under the strategy outlined in Part 1, above.[/i]
Wed 30th is when he developed symptoms, unless he has a fever on the 9th, he would be a-ok to return to work on the 10th.
Given that Trump has obviously shown disregard for the commission honor system, I can see why they would just pull the plug on in-person for now and push it off even further.
You mean the commission should put its thumb on the scale and disadvantage him.
Why do you want to stop him from destroying himself ?
At least I think it is fair to consider him having had severe illness, given the lack of transparency and the treatment regimen provided. So go with the “20 days after symptom onset”
He never had severe disease, he just had ‘decisionmaking by committee’ and a treating doc who chickened and put him on dexa. A patient with ‘severe’ disease is sucking on the high-flow oxygen mask and doesn’t walk up a flight of stairs unassisted.
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