[100574]

This is not a reflection of UVA or the hospital that I did my fellowship at
Donald Trump embraced and emboldened these deplorable–his racist past was always there from the Central park 5/ Birther lies/”they don’t look like Indians to me” at a casino hearing to the Pocahontas slur
It is time for him to Man-up and fire Bannon
where is Jared on the anti-Semitism  today by these white nationalist-oh he is in Israel kissing Bibi’s a##

[100574]

pic on twitter has a pic of Heller and the guy
 
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[100574]

pic on twitter
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[ruszja]

Shame about those state troopers.

[100574]

a horrific day that followed an horrific night
I had my share of bad experiences at UVA but the good always won out–I trained with one of the best doctors in the country-Dr. Teates/ Larry Sabato wrote me a kind letter after I wrote about an incident -and I had countless others who helped me to get my undergrad degree and get me on my path to become a physician

Quote from fw

Shame about those state troopers.

[Unknown Member]

Yes I wish we could return to the pre-Trump era.  There were never any violent protests.  There was never a minority civilian killed by law enforcement.  I can’t recall any law enforcement members killed by civilians.  Remember last year when North Korea was our most trusted allie? What the hell happened to the utopia I lived in before Trump became President? We had the best healthcare legislation in the world. Right wing republicans have destroyed our utopian society in the past 200 days.

[100574]

we never had a President encouraging to throw a tomato–encourage police violence–promote birther nonsense-claim an ex-president was wiretapping him and have a steve bannon in the WH-etc–he should do the right thing and resign–he refuses to say anything bad about Russia even with their Prime Minister calling him incompetent
-don’t cater to the narcissist who appears to love to make others feel uncomfortable–if he does not resign then the cabinet should do the right thing and show him the door and then he can pay DC the taxes they are due since the hotel is doing so well in violation of the lease

Quote from Ben Casey

Yes I wish we could return to the pre-Trump era.  There were never any violent protests.  There was never a minority civilian killed by law enforcement.  I can’t recall any law enforcement members killed by civilians.  Remember last year when North Korea was our most trusted allie? What the hell happened to the utopia I lived in before Trump became President? We had the best healthcare legislation in the world. Right wing republicans have destroyed our utopian society in the past 200 days.

[Unknown Member]

Soooo….your argument is what? The US has new problems that never existed before Trump became President?  Other than fears and concerns I am still waiting for someone to inform me of policies passed by Trump that has somehow directly infringed upon constitutional rights of any legal resident or citizen of the US of America.  

[kayla.meyer_144]

In brief remarks at a late-afternoon news conference in New Jersey to discuss veterans health care, Trump said he was following the events in Charlottesville closely. The hate and the division must stop and must stop right now, Trump said, without specifically mentioning white nationalists or their views. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. On many sides.

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, a Trump supporter who was in Charlottesville on Saturday, quickly replied. I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists, he wrote.

[Unknown Member]

So no answer to my question?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ben Casey

Yes I wish we could return to the pre-Trump era.  There were never any violent protests.  There was never a minority civilian killed by law enforcement.  I can’t recall any law enforcement members killed by civilians.  Remember last year when North Korea was our most trusted allie? What the hell happened to the utopia I lived in before Trump became President? We had the best healthcare legislation in the world. Right wing republicans have destroyed our utopian society in the past 200 days. 

Soooo….your argument is what? The US has new problems that never existed before Trump became President?  

Is that intended to be some sort of serious question and observation that enlightens yesterday’s violence?
 
Perhaps you should explain yourself & how you think that is an important question that answers what exactly.
 
Trump and his Congress are too incompetent to pass anything, Thank God! for small favors. But like Brownshirt everywhere and in the past, inspiration of hate and violence are the real fruits of his Administration. The haters all say so out loud. David Duke feels free enough to be warning Trump by saying right out loud to Trump that it was the haters elected him, the White Supremacists, the Nazis, the KKK types. Maybe not literally true, not all Trump supporters are haters like the KKK and the Supremacists but Duke and his type certainly believe it is true enough to have elected Trump and feel free to express their hatred. Thank Bannon & Morris for help in this new expression of hate.
 
 

[Unknown Member]

If you don’t want to see it Ben, that’s fine.

[ruszja]

Nazi rallies are nothing new. Nazi party vs. village of Skokie was decided in 1977. When done right, police keeps the counter-demonstrators one block away and maintains a tight cordon around the Nazis or KKK failures. They make noise, the Nazi asswipes give some speeches and chant some illogical chants. Everyone laughs at the Nazi aswipes, points fingers and it is clear to any observer who the bad guys are.
In this case (as in Berkeley, CA) the mayor and the governor wanted to use the violent antifa to suppress speech they don’t like. A federal judge had slapped them down on Friday and restricted them from suppressing
the Nazi asswipes using the administrative state. On Sat morning, rather than using standard procedure and keeping the violent antifa contained, they gave them free run of the city and didn’t intervene when violence broke out. Initially, the mayor and the governor succeeded in suppressing the speech they dont like. The nazi asswipes never managed to do their little rally at the silly statue. Unfortunately the city tactic backfired and someone got killed. Responsibility for the bloodshed is not only with the violent antifa and the violent nazis, but also with the city leaders and the governor who gave the PD and VSP the stand-down orders.
The Nazis are like sewage sludge in a septic tank. They stink, are unpleasant and you gotta contain them in a vacuum truck. You don’t hire someone to spread the sludge in your yard.

[kayla.meyer_144]

They were literally chanting, “Heil Trump!”
 
Heil Trump? True stereotypes, too scary to be funny. Or just sad.
 
[link=https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/status/896498492914401280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fnational%2Farchive%2F2017%2F08%2Fthe-hoods-are-off%2F536694%2F]https://twitter.com/Anton…ds-are-off%2F536694%2F[/link]
 
And that tepid response from Trump! He is too afraid to alienate a significant sector of his core support. But then he was never above using race baiting and hating.  He uses that typical Right-wing excuse when cornered of “They’re all equally bad.”
 
Less than lazy thinking.
 
 

They were literally chanting “Heil Trump” in #Charlottesville. https://t.co/TbmI8xmsaV

— Antonio French (@AntonioFrench) August 12, 2017

[Unknown Member]

I understand that you are still having a very hard time dealing with the election results…..but just understand that these types of protests have been around almost as long as you.

[btomba_77]

It’s worse now. THe alt-right and neo-Nazis are coming out of the closet.
 
The Trump presidency is like catnip for those people.
 
btw — props to Ted Cruz. This i what Trump [i]should[/i] have said:
 
Its tragic and heartbreaking to see hatred and racism once again mar our great Nation with bloodshed. The Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists are repulsive and evil, and all of us have a moral obligation to speak out against the lies, bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred that they propagate. Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism.
 
 
_____
 
Charlottesville Mayor: 

“There are two phrases that must mentioned over and over again, ‘domestic terrorism’ and ‘white supremacy’. We’re just not hearing that {from the President}.”
 
 
 
Trump’s repeated refusal to call out white supremacists throughout the campaign and now during his Presidency is a revolting dereliction of duty. 
 
Trump’s non-condemnations have been and continue to be a dog whistle to white supremacists.

[ruszja]

The guy is gonna walk.
 
[link=http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-car-attack-terrorist-white-supremacist-rally/]http://www.tmz.com/2017/0…ite-supremacist-rally/[/link]
 
Note the antifas chasing after his car beating it with clubs. Now there is someone with a reasonable fear of great bodily harm.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

The guy is gonna walk.

[link=http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-car-attack-terrorist-white-supremacist-rally/]http://www.tmz.com/2017/0…ite-supremacist-rally/[/link]

Note the antifas chasing after his car beating it with clubs. Now there is someone with a reasonable fear of great bodily harm.

You mean after he deliberately murdered 1 person with his vehicle & injured 19 others? He’ll walk for fear of his life while trying to escape after the killing & injuries? In the Old South he would have walked, not likely today anymore.
 
 

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

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You mean after he deliberately murdered 1 person with his vehicle & injured 19 others? He’ll walk for fear of his life while trying to escape after the killing & injuries? In the Old South he would have walked, not likely today anymore.

The video shows the antifas chasing him down the street. He’ll have a good case that he was fleeing from them when he accidentally ran into the back of the car in front of him.

All he needs is to get the state case moved to any location outside of Charlottesville, Richmond or Arlington.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Ben Casey

I understand that you are still having a very hard time dealing with the election results…..but just understand that these types of protests have been around almost as long as you.

Uh no. These types of protests with violence are not at all common.
 
As for “hard time dealing with the election results,” also uh, no. You people elected this dummy all I have to do is survive hime and you all. That said, it’s Trump who can’t seem to take winning for an answer constantly bringing up Hillary. It irks him that he lost the popular vote & constantly says so outright stating how the popular vote was stolen from him by millions of invisible illegal immigrants who voted for Hillary.
 
As David Duke said, “Look in the mirror.”
 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

There was no one chasing the car until after it hit people & then was backing up.
 
[link=http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/12/car-runs-into-crowd-protest-charlottesville-nr-hartung.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/12/car-runs-into-crowd-protest-charlottesville-nr-hartung.cnn[/link]

[btomba_77]

[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-babbles-in-the-face-of-tragedy/2017/08/12/a27211ba-7fbb-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c5e2f02cdc67]Trump babbles in the face of tragedy[/url]

One of the difficult but primary duties of the modern presidency is to speak for the nation in times of tragedy. A space shuttle explodes. An elementary school is attacked. The twin towers come down in a heap of ash and twisted steel. It falls to the president to express something of the nations soul grief for the lost, sympathy for the suffering, moral clarity in the midst of confusion, confidence in the unknowable purposes of God.

Not every president does this equally well. But none have been incapable. Until Donald Trump.

[B]Trumps reaction to events in Charlottesville was alternately trite (come together as one), infantile (very, very sad) and meaningless (we want to study it).[/B] There are so many great things happening in our country, he said, on a day when racial violence took a life.[/QUOTE] (bolding mine)

[100574]

#45HasGotToGO–if the guy had been Muslim–Trump would be out there screaming see this is why the ban is needed-I am right–this radical militant terrorism-believe me
but the Guy is white and he is radiosilent on calling him a domestic terrorist
he has dog whistle since the Central Park 5 days–the ‘they don’t look like Indians to me’ before a casino hearing–a leopard does not change his stripes and gets fairy dust sprinkled on him once he is President–he showed us who he is–the fish rots from the top and he will continue to have Bannon/Miller/Gorka/Omarosa/Jared and Ivanka–all political amateurs working in the WH

[btomba_77]

On Fox News Sunday, Sen. Graham called Charlottesville an act of domestic terrorism.  He said that, “These groups seem to believe they have a friend in Donald Trump in the White House,” and that Trump missed an opportunity to dissuade them that he’s their friend.
 
 
 

[url=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXxlbiRu09I”]Chris Wallace and Lindsey Graham Crushes Trump On Charlottesville Actions & Reacts To North Korea – YouTube[/url][/QUOTE]
 
I agree with Senator Graham’s assessment.
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Minimally looks like a hate crime. IMO the news and the anti-protest types shouldn’t just let these morons have their circle jerk in the park. Don’t give them an outlet or the time of day.

[100574]

and Jason Kessler is soooooooo tone death that he would try to give a press conference—he should be indicted as an accessory to murder–he is another midget like Miller trying to be a big man by spouting hate

[100574]

[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/][color=”#001ba0″][b]The Myth of the Kindly General Lee[/b] – The Atlantic[/color][/link][b][/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]

[Unknown Member]

I would have to say that Frumi is the most partisan individual you could ever meet. Typical very old fart who lost any ability to see any other side than her own many years ago. My generation would consider any attempt to engage with the likes of Frumi an utter waste of energy and time. I guarantee you that she is the condescending attending that $hits on her residents because she knows that the residents understanding of technology and advanced imaging is vastly superior to hers. Guarantee she treats her wacky liberal residents different than others. We all know her type all too well. She is suggesting that violent protests were less common prior to the first 200 days of Trump…..There is no further discussion to be had with the likes of Frumi.

[kaldridgewv2211]

I think with social media things are just so much more in your face. I saw that car was an Ohio plate car on Twitter almost right after the accident. Everything is on pictures and video from phones.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I think with social media things are just so much more in your face. I saw that car was an Ohio plate car on Twitter almost right after the accident. Everything is on pictures and video from phones.

Everyone has phones now with excellent photo quality.

[tdetlie_105]

Quote from Ben Casey

I would have to say that Frumi is the most partisan individual you could ever meet. Typical very old fart who lost any ability to see any other side than her own many years ago. My generation would consider any attempt to engage with the likes of Frumi an utter waste of energy and time. I guarantee you that she is the condescending attending that $hits on her residents because she knows that the residents understanding of technology and advanced imaging is vastly superior to hers. Guarantee she treats her wacky liberal residents different than others. We all know her type all too well. She is suggesting that violent protests were less common prior to the first 200 days of Trump…..There is no further discussion to be had with the likes of Frumi.

Frumi is a she? I am a bit surprised by that.  I also assumed that Frumi was retired given that she gives a lot of time/thought to her posts

[100574]

no partisans are the hacks that CNN has on to defend Trump–just dumb idiot robots–they threw out a black face today(Paris) who was defensive and just lost control–a pathetic representation of Trump camp but Omarosa had been booed at another event so they slapped Paris in–need a black face–any face

Quote from Ben Casey

I would have to say that Frumi is the most partisan individual you could ever meet. Typical very old fart who lost any ability to see any other side than her own many years ago. My generation would consider any attempt to engage with the likes of Frumi an utter waste of energy and time. I guarantee you that she is the condescending attending that $hits on her residents because she knows that the residents understanding of technology and advanced imaging is vastly superior to hers. Guarantee she treats her wacky liberal residents different than others. We all know her type all too well. She is suggesting that violent protests were less common prior to the first 200 days of Trump…..There is no further discussion to be had with the likes of Frumi.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Ben thinks it helps delegitimize my arguments by calling me a woman. It’s common for some people to think that is an argument in itself. 
 
The odd part is Ben feels it necessary to defend this weekends violence by minimizing it to a nothing event.

[Unknown Member]

My understanding is that the driver’s car was being attacked. Given that Antifa and BLM are violent organizations that threaten bodily harm, it’s quite possible that the driver was trying to escape what he perceived to be a very dangerous situation.

Remember Reginald Denny.

I’ll have to watch the video for myself, and if the car was being attacked, the NYT is, once again, guilty of being FAKE NEWS by omission.

[Unknown Member]

“David Duke feels free enough to be warning Trump by saying right out loud to Trump….”

Duke has been a public persona nonstop since the 80s. The only difference is that left-wing media are consciously giving closer coverage (alliteration unintentional) to him as a tactical move to engender visceral dislike of Trump.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Jan the Third

My understanding is that the driver’s car was being attacked. Given that Antifa and BLM are violent organizations that threaten bodily harm, it’s quite possible that the driver was trying to escape what he perceived to be a very dangerous situation.

Remember Reginald Denny.

I’ll have to watch the video for myself, and if the car was being attacked, the NYT is, once again, guilty of being FAKE NEWS by omission.

And if the car is not being pursued? You will admit that once again you are the victim of deliberate FAKE NEWS from Right Wing propaganda sites?

[100574]

Trumps response weak and inadequate – has he called the victim’s family, did he say this was a domestic terrorist attack
He said nothing about how these white nationalist defiled the honor of President. Jefferson’s University and Charlottesville and the state of the Virginia
Boycott anything affiliated with Trump in the state of. VIRGINIA until Bannon is gone and Trump’s administration is serious about not dumping on. Black-American’s because he still seems to be saying the counter protectors were criminal for just protesting

[100574]

He responded quickly when CEO Merck left—Trump is so incompetent for the job–to attack a black-American with a personal attack shows 45 must Go
BOYCOT Trump wine. and. GOlfcourse–vote. Blue VIrginia–he Does not care about The honor of the state of Virginia

[ruszja]

Some more mighty fine ‘protesting’
 
 

[100574]

This was an act domestic terrorism–did Trump say that-NO. He was just another angry Tim Mcvey. A President takes questions and not run from the media and tweet a nasty tweet on someone(what cowards due)

[kayla.meyer_144]

You are saying these are pictures of violent protesters chasing the car before it plowed into the demonstrators?
 
Or is this just meant as a distraction from the real issue that the driver deliberately drove into the crowd in an act of terrorism & murder?
 
 

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

You are saying these are pictures of violent protesters chasing the car before it plowed into the demonstrators?

Or is this just meant as a distraction from the real issue that the driver deliberately drove into the crowd in an act of terrorism & murder?

I quoted the post I was replying to, it gives you the context. If you are too dumb to read I can’t help you.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Another intellectually lazy false equivalency lie to soothe your bias. So far the vast majority of violence was from the Right protesters.

I dont have to share and agree with your fantasies.

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

Another intellectually lazy false equivalency lie to soothe your bias. So far the vast majority of violence was from the Right protesters.

Says who ? The new york times ? Your contact at soros inc ?

[Unknown Member]

Frumi is never wrong. Her sources are right, yours are wrong. End of the story. I bet she is the one radiologist who has zero misses. I wonder if she posts from a nursing home?

[ruszja]

Quote from Ben Casey

Frumi is never wrong. Her sources are right, yours are wrong. End of the story. I bet she is the one radiologist who has zero misses. I wonder if she posts from a nursing home?

 
Never thought she is a radiologist. Sounds more like an admin type who saw AM open on some rads computer and has been trolling the site ever since.

[ruszja]

Watched some more uncut raw footage of the event shot from both sides (nazis and antifa-rioters):
 
–  [u]With the exception of the car-ramming incident[/u], the violence was limited to poorly organized skirmishes between combatants. Anyone who didn’t want to be involved in the violence had enough room to stand back and watch the show. Anyone who got something broken over their head decided to get into the middle of the melee, either because they wanted a piece of the action themselves or because they wanted to get closeup video.
 
– The police was notably absent. Where they got involved (e.g. when they stopped some antifas from stomping an old nazi and when the nazis beat down one of the BLM tools in the parking garage), both sides backed away the moment the law showed up. I hope there are plenty of open records lawsuits to determine who had the overall incident command and who made the tactical decisions that routed the nazis and the antifa-rioters straight into each other. Very few physical barriers, no mounted units, no dogs, no use of those fire extinguisher sized OC dispensers. Looked poorly prepared overall. Usually in these kinds of riot events, you have a couple of cops hurt when they engage the combatants. Outside of the two troopers killed in the helicopter accidents, I haven’t been able to find any reports of cops getting hurt at Saturdays festivities (just one from friday night who got hurt during an arrest). Neither smalltown police nor the VSP ticket-writers are the right folks to handle that kind of incident. The big city PDs like Philadelphia or DC wouldn’t have been caught quite that flat-footed.
      
      
     

[100574]

her name is Heather Heyer–she was not fighting any one–Yes Mr. Trump this was her country as well
HH-a Profile In Courage
This is my country as well and U are ruining it

Quote from fw

Watched some more uncut raw footage of the event shot from both sides (nazis and antifa-rioters):

–  [u]With the exception of the car-ramming incident[/u], the violence was limited to poorly organized skirmishes between combatants. Anyone who didn’t want to be involved in the violence had enough room to stand back and watch the show. Anyone who got something broken over their head decided to get into the middle of the melee, either because they wanted a piece of the action themselves or because they wanted to get closeup video.

– The police was notably absent. Where they got involved (e.g. when they stopped some antifas from stomping an old nazi and when the nazis beat down one of the BLM tools in the parking garage), both sides backed away the moment the law showed up. I hope there are plenty of open records lawsuits to determine who had the overall incident command and who made the tactical decisions that routed the nazis and the antifa-rioters straight into each other. Very few physical barriers, no mounted units, no dogs, no use of those fire extinguisher sized OC dispensers. Looked poorly prepared overall. Usually in these kinds of riot events, you have a couple of cops hurt when they engage the combatants. Outside of the two troopers killed in the helicopter accidents, I haven’t been able to find any reports of cops getting hurt at Saturdays festivities (just one from friday night who got hurt during an arrest). Neither smalltown police nor the VSP ticket-writers are the right folks to handle that kind of incident. The big city PDs like Philadelphia or DC wouldn’t have been caught quite that flat-footed.
     
     
    

[ruszja]

Quote from sentinel lymph node

her name is Heather Heyer–she was not fighting any one–Yes Mr. Trump this was her country as well
HH-a Profile In Courage
This is my country as well and U are ruining it

 
Reading is a fundamental skill, you should try it sometime.
 
I said: [u]With the exception of the car-ramming incident, [/u]
 
Ms Hayer died in the car-ramming incident. I did not claim that she was fighting anyone. From all I could find, she was a local just demonstrating.
 
 

[heenadevk1119_462]

“If the left didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.”
 
They stand for no principle except for out of chaos, power. Yet their drones don’t realize this leads to them always accepting the most murderous of all thugs that planet earth has seen. Ironic, but obvious because they are confused, mischievous, and rebellious ideologues.

[btomba_77]

The new Mississippi flag without the embedded Confederate flag had its maiden flight over the state capitol in Jackson yesterday.

[link=https://www.fox5dc.com/news/mississippi-raises-new-flag-over-state-capitol]Mississippi raises new flag over state capitol[/link]

[btomba_77]

Number of Confederate monuments linked to number of lynchings, study finds

Scholars and activists have long said that Confederate memorials are associated with hate. We want to provide empirical evidence of that, said researcher Kyshia Henderson.
 
Published by the National Academy of Sciences, [link=https://www.pnas.org/content/118/42/e2103519118]the study analyzed[/link] county-level lynching data involving Black people from 1832 to 1950. The data showed that the number of lynchings in an area was associated with a higher likelihood that the same area would have Confederate monuments.
 
This is not a surprising finding, said University of Virginia researcher and psychologist Kyshia Henderson, who led the study. The prediction was always that lynching and memorials would be connected. We made this prediction because we knew the history of lynchings and memorials. Also, scholars and activists have long said that Confederate memorials are associated with hate. We want to provide empirical evidence of that.
 
Lynchings, which were used to punish Black Americans primarily through the eras of slavery and Jim Crow, were used as an indicator in the study because they are recognizable forms of violence used to suppress and intimidate Black people.
 
 

[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/number-confederate-monuments-linked-number-lynchings-study-finds-rcna3093]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/…finds-rcna3093[/link]

[btomba_77]

White supremacists are returning to Charlottesville. But this time, theyre on trial.

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio…0b1_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…natio…0b1_story.html[/link]

[kaldridgewv2211]

Holy Geez.  There’s video today of Rafael Cruz questioning Garland where he seems to be defending Nazi salutes.  He’s like one parent gave a Nazi salute how is that violent.  Garland is just like that’s protected by the 1A.  
 
What a hill to die on.
 
Overall lots of just GOP being GOP today.  Making sound bites for Fox.

[btomba_77]

Ted Cruz looked like a buffoon today.  But he was 30% less buffoonish than Tom Cotton.
 
[link=https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1453423000682958849]https://twitter.com/atrup…us/1453423000682958849[/link]
 
He was trying to minimize the right wing threats to school boards.
 
Booker did his homework at least.

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Holy Geez.  There’s video today of Rafael Cruz questioning Garland where he seems to be defending Nazi salutes.  He’s like one parent gave a Nazi salute how is that violent.  Garland is just like that’s protected by the 1A.  

What a hill to die on.

Overall lots of just GOP being GOP today.  Making sound bites for Fox.

 
I hate Illinois Nazis.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1453397803737227268]https://twitter.com/there…us/1453397803737227268[/link]
 
Tom Cotton wants the US Attorney General to get his priorities in line … and investigate the people who followed Sinema into a bathroom!

[kaldridgewv2211]

It reminded me of an Atlantic article I read.  PAragraph 1
 
“From an early age, it was clear that Tom was an unusual boy.”
 
It’s a decent read about him and it’s from 2014.  He was an butthole then too.
 
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/09/the-making-of-a-conservative-superstar/380307/]https://www.theatlantic.c…tive-superstar/380307/[/link]

[ruszja]

Quote from sentinel lymph node

Boycott anything affiliated with Trump in the state of. VIRGINIA until Bannon is gone and Trump’s administration is serious about not dumping on. Black-American’s because he still seems to be saying the counter protectors were criminal for just protesting

 
What about these guys:
 
Just ‘protesting’ ?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

Quote from sentinel lymph node

Boycott anything affiliated with Trump in the state of. VIRGINIA until Bannon is gone and Trump’s administration is serious about not dumping on. Black-American’s because he still seems to be saying the counter protectors were criminal for just protesting

What about these guys:

Just ‘protesting’ ?

Yes, some “mighty fine protesting.”
 
[link=https://twitter.com/zdroberts/status/896519908795854848/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okayplayer.com%2Fnews%2F20-year-old-dre-harris-brutally-attacked-white-supremacists.html]https://twitter.com/zdrob…hite-supremacists.html[/link]
 

 

[kaldridgewv2211]

the great thing is these people are getting ID’d via social media.  If they’re not being incarcerated, I’ve read of some of them being fired, and one about being disowned by family members.  One dude worked at a hot dog shop.

[100574]

Amen–now let’s see how brave they are–wonder how many owe taxes or actually pay taxes–like Bundy
the GOP Plantation dwellers–they get dumber/poorer and sicker–what have they done for LATELY

Quote from DICOM_Dan

the great thing is these people are getting ID’d via social media.  If they’re not being incarcerated, I’ve read of some of them being fired, and one about being disowned by family members.  One dude worked at a hot dog shop.

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

Yes, some “mighty fine protesting.”

[link=https://twitter.com/zdroberts/status/896519908795854848/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okayplayer.com%2Fnews%2F20-year-old-dre-harris-brutally-attacked-white-supremacists.html]https://twitter.com/zdrob…hite-supremacists.html[/link]

This was a clash between violent fascists carrying the flag of our enemy and violent BLM/antifa domestic terrorists carrying the flag of another historic enemy of the US. Except for the rabbis, hippies and pastors, both sides who showed up in Charlottesville came there to commit violence.

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

the great thing is these people are getting ID’d via social media.  If they’re not being incarcerated, I’ve read of some of them being fired, and one about being disowned by family members.  One dude worked at a hot dog shop.

I wonder if anyone can ID this group of antifas ? 

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Photograph is from Edu Bayer for the New York Times      
 
 
 
(so much for the fiction that it was only the nazis who showed up with guns.)

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from fw

Quote from DICOM_Dan

the great thing is these people are getting ID’d via social media.  If they’re not being incarcerated, I’ve read of some of them being fired, and one about being disowned by family members.  One dude worked at a hot dog shop.

I wonder if anyone can ID this group of antifas ? 

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Photograph is from Edu Bayer for the New York Times      

(so much for the fiction that it was only the nazis who showed up with guns.)

I didn’t say they did and the people being ID’d aren’t being ID’d for carrying guns but rather their F’d up Nazi beliefs.  The Nazis are the ones that showed up with a message of hate though.  I don’t see these 4  super douches carrying hate signs.  
 
All the people walking around with their hands on the grip should be rounded up by police.  The whole idea that people are going to shoot AR-15s at eachother in a crowded area is completely mind-boggling. 

[ruszja]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

 
I didn’t say they did and the people being ID’d aren’t being ID’d for carrying guns but rather their F’d up Nazi beliefs.  The Nazis are the ones that showed up with a message of hate though.  I don’t see these 4  super douches carrying hate signs.  

 
The Nazis had every right to spew their message of hate at a location of their choosing. The people opposed to their hatred and bigotry had every right to demonstrate against them. The city tried to muzzle the nazis and got slapped down by the US district court.  It was then up to the city to provide a safe environment for both the Nazis and the counter-demonstrators. They failed miserably. Neither the death of the young woman nor the accident with the troopers are the city leaders fault, but the melee in Lee park and the surrounding streets was their doing.

Even Pikesville, KY managed to keep the Nazis and the antifa out of each others hair. This is not a new thing. Nazis and violent antifa have been doing this for 30 years. There are established tactics to keep them from fighting. It always looks sad if LEOs have to protect clansmen and skinheads, but the system works if you are willing to use it.
    
 

All the people walking around with their hands on the grip should be rounded up by police.  The whole idea that people are going to shoot AR-15s at eachother in a crowded area is completely mind-boggling. 

 
Yup. ‘Peacably to assemble’ doesn’t include guns. The militia nuts on both sides should have been disarmed by the police on their way into the city center.  Cardboard rolls for the protest signs and no more than 3oz of liquids in a 1 quart clear Ziploc bag 😉

[kayla.meyer_144]

Think about what a low bar we have set for the country because of Trump, the President came out – finally – and said he is against racism and hate groups – and that is newsworthy!
 

Racism is evil, said Trump, delivering a statement from the White House at a hastily arranged appearance meant to halt the growing political threat posed by the unrest. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

 
Think about that, that was newsworthy.
 
We have sunk a long way down in only a few months. 
 
 

[Unknown Member]

Oh please, its only newsworthy so the left can criticism him for it, they were not happy he did not call them out by name and now your critical because he did–the negative spin on every dang thing he does or says is unbelievable, give it a break already. 
 
-Peace Out
 

[heenadevk1119_462]

We’ll pay attention if and when they ever post about that loon that shot Scalise, a US CONGRESSMAN, who was a Bernie Sanders volunteer and supporter. Or how Obama blamed the police in the Gates situation, or how he didn’t say anything for days when BLM assassinated Dallas police, etc.
 
It’s called intellectual honesty and reporting. The Frumi, SLN, etc. of the board are absolutely bereft of it. 

[btomba_77]

Wow. Trump just quadrupled down on not challenging the nazis.  Sickening.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Dr. ****er

We’ll pay attention if and when they ever post about that loon that shot Scalise, a US CONGRESSMAN, who was a Bernie Sanders volunteer and supporter. Or how Obama blamed the police in the Gates situation, or how he didn’t say anything for days when BLM assassinated Dallas police, etc.

It’s called intellectual honesty and reporting. The Frumi, SLN, etc. of the board are absolutely bereft of it. 

It’s called distracting and distraction. It’s called false equivalency. It’s called Truthiness. It’s called alternate facts.
 
None of those things have anything to do with White Supremacists, Nazis and Racists spewing hatred and violently demonstrating & beating people & driving a car into people to kill and severely injure them.
 
You are now defending and justifying violence.

[100574]

I hope this was a wake up call for all those Trump Jewish voters–to him u are just another minority –Jared is just a cufflink to sooth and deceive

[100574]

saw a great show on one of the cable networks how the mafia helped to defeat the klan due to the klan’s support of prohibition
recall Fred Trump is listed as being arrested at a Queens klan rally

[100574]

another big fail–just pathetic

[kaldridgewv2211]

Time to cut bait and move onto Pence.

[100574]

Kasich and Bush–look at GOP and say I told U so

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Time to cut bait and move onto Pence.

[100574]

President Washington was not a draft dodger Trump

[100574]

Cornell West schooled Trump hack Paris about a brother on the Trump plantation my brother

[Unknown Member]

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Time to cut bait and move onto Pence.

 
Pence is cutting short his south america trip to return to DC early…I wonder why.

[Unknown Member]

[link]https://streamable.com/21gc9[/link]

[ruszja]

Quote from Jan the Third

[link]https://streamable.com/21gc9[/link]

Facts don’t matter.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

Quote from Jan the Third

[link=https://streamable.com/21gc9]https://streamable.com/21gc9[/link]

Facts don’t matter.

What facts? A select clip in time of a single video of the car accelerating towards a crowd of people in order to kill and injure & someone hits it with a flag? So it justifies something in your minds?
 
It looks like edited and manufactured “evidence.” It looks like nothing. A hallucination at best.
 
You are defending an extremist Right-wing murderer and his act.
 

[100574]

Mayor of Baltimore got confederate statues removed overnight–now that’s action

[kaldridgewv2211]

Not a day goes by when I’m not totally amazed by the next bout of Trump team craziness

His lawyer forwards and email to the NYT praising Robert E Lee. WTF is up with these people.

[link=https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-lawyer-email-race-charlottesville.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=https://t.co/ms3KUlX8M6?amp=1]https://mobile.nytimes.co…/t.co/ms3KUlX8M6?amp=1[/link]

[100574]

[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKFR5aWTKo][color=”#001ba0″][b]CNN Charlottesville panel erupts[/b]: [b]I won’t be attacked[/b] on …[/color][/link][b][/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]
Paris- U are going off the rails and then Paris has the nerve to tell Brooke get your guest under control when it is he that has lost control
Notice how everyone on the Trump team becomes angry defensive , lose control and start with the threats U better watch
wasn’t there a Trump attorney-U better watch
kinda thuggish to me imho
and Paris U idiot it was not a bunch of groups in Charleston–it was one skinny pathetic white kid-and u are basically saying Trump is a flawed person –gee great spokes person

[Unknown Member]

I will not SLN distract the thread with his spamming gibberish.

[link]https://youtu.be/qFR-iHmTWVo[/link]

[ruszja]

Quote from Jan the Third

 
I will not SLN distract the thread with his spamming gibberish.

[link=https://youtu.be/qFR-iHmTWVo]https://youtu.be/qFR-iHmTWVo[/link]

 
This really makes his head explode.  You can post pics of violent antifas clubbing people, antifas with firearms and the answer is the same ‘its all fabricated, fake news, distraction etc.’.
 
SO SAD!
 
 
 
 
 
Nobody doubts that the Nazis are a-holes, scum of the earth and were ready and willing to inflict violence. That still doesn’t negate the fact that the other side are also a-holes, scum of the earth and willing to inflict violence.

[kayla.meyer_144]

For the confused who can’t tell the difference between sides, that “both are equally guilty!”
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Trumper dumper already doubled down on being an idiot and now he’s splitting 8s.  He’s tweeting about how sad it is the monuments/statues are being taken down.  Do we really need the Robert E Lee memorials? 
 
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/17/trump-mourns-loss-of-beautiful-statues-and-monuments-in-wake-of-charlottesville-rally-over-robert-e-lee-statue/?utm_term=.cd72dfa18684&wpisrc=al_alert-COMBO-politics%252Bnation&wpmk=1]https://www.washingtonpos…%252Bnation&wpmk=1[/link]

[kayla.meyer_144]

The heroes who fought for white supremacy and the States’ Rights to own black people. For their own good, of course. It was the Christian thing to do.
 

As Robert E. Lee said:
 
“The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy.”

 
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/]https://www.theatlantic.c…ly-general-lee/529038/[/link]

Lee is a pivotal figure in American history worthy of study. Neither the man who really existed, nor the fictionalized tragic hero of the Lost Cause, are heroes worthy of a statue in a place of honor. As one Union veteran angrily put it in 1903 when Pennsylvania was [link=https://npsgnmp.wordpress.com/2013/12/19/the-lee-controversy-of-1903/]considering placing a statute[/link] to Lee at Gettysburg, If you want historical accuracy as your excuse, then place upon this field a statue of Lee holding in his hand the banner under which he fought, bearing the legend:[b] We wage this war against a government conceived in liberty and dedicated to humanity.[/b] 

 
 

[Unknown Member]

ITT: Frumious presents a cartoon that’s supposed to make point A, but the point it makes is that (s)he has so little sense of context that it’s a wonder (s)he can find the stomach on a CT.

Lee was a great man. A storied military commander, and a true patriot to his home state – this was back when states actually had identities. I have infinitely more respect for him, Stonewall Jackson, and others than I do for the worthless SJWs in this forum. Thankfully, their names will live for centuries, and yours will not.

[Unknown Member]

Lee was a traitor

He should have been hung with the other scumbags after the war

[Unknown Member]

Same goes with these rednecks wearing the nazi armbands and doing the nazi salutes

My dad drove a tank all through France and Germany fighting those creeps

He was the first battalion into buchenwald prison camp

Now we have to watch these pieces of poop individuals glorifying them while at the same time praising a bunch of redneck southern traitors

As my 93 yr old uncle who flew bombing raids over Germany said to me yesterday

F em …….. the little sissies wouldn’t last a day in a real battle

[kayla.meyer_144]

Good vacation I trust?

[Unknown Member]

Living the dream

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from Jan the Third

Lee was a great man. A storied military commander, and a true patriot to his home state – this was back when states actually had identities. I have infinitely more respect for him, Stonewall Jackson, and others than I do for the worthless SJWs in this forum. Thankfully, their names will live for centuries, and yours will not.

Their names will live on in infamy.

[100574]

notice they are not in a car driving into people–VA is and open carry state so the gun industry should love that pic

Quote from fw

Quote from DICOM_Dan

the great thing is these people are getting ID’d via social media.  If they’re not being incarcerated, I’ve read of some of them being fired, and one about being disowned by family members.  One dude worked at a hot dog shop.

I wonder if anyone can ID this group of antifas ? 

   [attachment=0] 

Photograph is from Edu Bayer for the New York Times      

(so much for the fiction that it was only the nazis who showed up with guns.)

[btomba_77]

[url]https://twitter.com/RosLehtinen/status/897557043330129921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F08%2F15%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-press-conference-charlottesville.html[/url]

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

[B]Blaming “both sides” for [URL=http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Charlottesville]#Charlottesville[/URL] ?! No. Back to relativism when dealing with KKK, Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists? Just no.[/B]

Blaming "both sides" for #Charlottesville?! No. Back to relativism when dealing with KKK, Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists? Just no.

— Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (@RosLehtinen) August 15, 2017

[100574]

only a sick draft dodger sociopath would brag about his house while spitting on the graves of the Victim/President Washington and Jefferson–a sick sick person who let the sheet really fall off today

[100574]

[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8rH5I3qx8][color=”#001ba0″][b]CORNEL WEST[/b] VS [b]PARIS DENNARD[/b] VS ANDERSON … – [b]youtube.com[/b][/color][/link][b][/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]

[100574]

and as we go thru this Trump GOP smoke and mirrors–I have a feeling stuff is being stolen from this country

[100574]

so how many days have gone by and he has not responded to being called incompetent by the Russian Prime minister and calling the family of the victim–but he can tweet against CEOs that said hasta

[100574]

Michelle Obama-being President does not change who you are but reveals who u are
ignorant racist whites who spit on the graves of American soldiers that fought in Normandy/ WW2

[kaldridgewv2211]

Love this one.  This dude is going to be lucky if his band can book a dive bar now.
 
Ohio band loses rib fest gig after Facebook post on Charlottesville[/h1] The band’s lead singer, Rodney Parker, published the post Tuesday morning on his Facebook page:
“Antifa, Black Lives Matter, Communists, Socialists; PURE TRASH, PERIOD. Certainly, in the face of this ongoing, relentless behavior from these leftist agitators, White Nationalists (who’re NOT White Supremacists, just so we’re clear) TOTALLY have a legitimate right to SPEAK, BE HEARD and retaliate. Mainstream media wants to manipulate and keep you timid and full of white guilt, and that empowers these leftist [a**]. Do NOT fall for that communist tactic EVER.”
 
Parker tells the Blade he was targeted by a political opponent whom he had banned from his Facebook page. He issued a statement defending his post, [link=http://www.wtol.com/story/36142161/no-room-for-racism-opening-act-removed-from-rib-off-following-facebook-post]WTOL Channel 11 reports[/link].
“I am NOT a racist in any way, shape or form, nor is the Facebook post at hand racist in any way, shape or form,” Parker said. “I am objectivist, and my philosophy is generally at odds with any type of collectives. I am in no way associated, a member or adjoined to in any way, ANY political movement, party, nationalists or otherwise other than voting status.”
 
 
 
 
 
 
[link=http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/08/ohio_band_loses_rib_fest_gig_a.html#incart_river_home_pop]http://www.cleveland.com/…#incart_river_home_pop[/link]

[100574]

this is Trump’s Katrina moment–no phone call–double down on I’m right-sad

[100574]

no he was supporting thugs that showed up on Friday shouting Jews will not replace us

[kaldridgewv2211]

I do love the We’ll not be replaced chant. As far as I’ve see. You’ve got guys working in the food service industry that are Nazi douches. Pretty sure you can be replaced.

Decent video from Vice news. I love the same guy from vice news. Johnny hard-on Nazi ends up bawling on YouTube because now he’s got a warrant out. BooHoo.

[link=http://www.theroot.com/look-at-this-neo-nazi-snowflake-cry-like-a-little-baby-1797903374/amp]http://www.theroot.com/lo…le-baby-1797903374/amp[/link]

[100574]

Trump since the primary had been playing with matches–now he is upset because he got burned

Quote from DICOM_Dan

I do love the We’ll not be replaced chant. As far as I’ve see. You’ve got guys working in the food service industry that are Nazi douches. Pretty sure you can be replaced.

Decent video from Vice news. I love the same guy from vice news. Johnny hard-on Nazi ends up bawling on YouTube because now he’s got a warrant out. BooHoo.

[link=http://www.theroot.com/look-at-this-neo-nazi-snowflake-cry-like-a-little-baby-1797903374/amp]http://www.theroot.com/lo…le-baby-1797903374/amp[/link]

[ruszja]

I saw that video on the day of the festivities. This was an idiot racist who happened to drive into the middle of a group of violent antifa. When they started beating on his vehicle he floored it and ran into the car in front of him. The violent antifa chased him, caught up with him and started clubbing his car. That’s when he reversed and backed over a couple of the violent extremists.

Probably not a smart thing to do, but a far cry from a deliberate act of domestic terrorism.

[100574]

bull-this is the diversion –no those racist anti-semitic thugs showed up Friday and harassed people in a church–their domestic terror started on FRiday night and Trump gave that initial speech like a guy constipated having a painful crap

Quote from fw

I saw that video on the day of the festivities. This was an idiot racist who happened to drive into the middle of a group of violent antifa. When they started beating on his vehicle he floored it and ran into the car in front of him. The violent antifa chased him, caught up with him and started clubbing his car. That’s when he reversed and backed over a couple of the violent extremists.

Probably not a smart thing to do, but a far cry from a deliberate act of domestic terrorism.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Then post the full video, fw, where he is fleeing for his life to escape the violent Lefties.

If such a thing exists outside of your imagination.

[kayla.meyer_144]

If you & Jan were honest about the video, fw, youd notice the car was not being chased while it accelerated into the crowd. To say he was fleeing is an outright manufactured lie. Looking at the same video Jan posted before it was struck by a flag & you notice no one, as in no one at all is chasing the accelerating car.

You are not being honest, you are selling a manufactured lie, propaganda.

[100574]

recall that that attorney also had a prior client that is the only one that went to jail for inside trading during the bank crisis
but the GOP should be aware that Trump right now is a caged sociopath and don’t think he was not aware that he was humiliating Mitch McConnell in public over the ACA failure by holding his wife captive and mute during his press conference rant which ending with his bragging of his house in VA/ winery( which was in foreclosure when he bought it–and that has a story there)

Quote from DICOM_Dan

Not a day goes by when I’m not totally amazed by the next bout of Trump team craziness

His lawyer forwards and email to the NYT praising Robert E Lee. WTF is up with these people.

[link=https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-lawyer-email-race-charlottesville.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=https://t.co/ms3KUlX8M6?amp=1]https://mobile.nytimes.co…/t.co/ms3KUlX8M6?amp=1[/link]

[100574]

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDvbN3oyaMk][color=”#001ba0″][b]CNBC Exclusive: Attorney John Dowd Raj Rajaratnam[/b]: “F” You …[/color][/link][b] [/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]
 
fat Raj was one of the few who went to jail–click on the Danielle Chiesi interview–that is a hoot

[Unknown Member]

Clear video. Watch and learn:
 
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFR-iHmTWVo&t=0m13s&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqFR-iHmTWVo%26t%3D0m13s&has_verified=1]https://www.youtube.com/w…13s&has_verified=1[/link]

[Unknown Member]

Remember Reginald Denny. 

[100574]

you idiot what u just posted is that the crowd went after him after he broke the law and willfully rammed his car into the back of the car in front of him and so the people who got hit and were just standing on the sides were collateral damage–it was a blatant terrorist attack and Sessions needs to do his job and bring terrorists charges just like McVey

Quote from Jan the Third

Clear video. Watch and learn:

[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFR-iHmTWVo&t=0m13s&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqFR-iHmTWVo%26t%3D0m13s&has_verified=1]https://www.youtube.com/w…13s&has_verified=1[/link]

[Unknown Member]

All we see is what’s happening in front of him. I’d wager the same was happening behind him, but we’ll let the jury decide. If he was aligned with neo-Nazis, I have no sympathy for him, but truth is important.

[link]https://youtu.be/qFR-iHmTWVo[/link]

[100574]

yes she was convicted during Raj saga and is best known for her and”I told the FBI if they are ever going to knock on my door again do it in the afternoon –Manfort could tell her no they don’t do it that way
American Greed on NBC did a whole hour on that saga–feeling greedy –want more 
[h2][link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xMv6a2GCyg][color=”#001ba0″][b]Danielle Chiesi Says She’s Prepared[/b] to Go to Prison – [/color][/link][/h2] [b] [/b][i] [/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]
 

[100574]

they shouted JEWs will not replace us–don’t be like the passive jewish people in Germany who thought if we  just stay quit–Trump is a bigot/a sociopath–he turns to crap everything he touches

Quote from Jan the Third

All we see is what’s happening in front of him. I’d wager the same was happening behind him, but we’ll let the jury decide. If he was aligned with neo-Nazis, I have no sympathy for him, but truth is important.

[link=https://youtu.be/qFR-iHmTWVo]https://youtu.be/qFR-iHmTWVo[/link]

[100574]

so the Islamic state said the orange guy is having a bad week–let’s do an attack so he can go out and scream I was right

[Unknown Member]

Trump is done

All he has left is the crazies the racists and the opioid addicts

Wouldn’t be surprised if he just quits

[100574]

if I were a cynic I would buy into the conspiracy theories that the 1% is playing games–they goofed with Trump–thought they could sprinkle fairy dust on him and he would change–Charlottesville was a disaster for him -so more can be stolen while we are diverted they activate the Islamic state to toss him a bone and steal more

Quote from kpack123

Trump is done

All he has left is the crazies the racists and the opioid addicts

Wouldn’t be surprised if he just quits

[100574]

Corker says let’s put that stuff in a museum
now is that not what President Obama said but they fought Obama tooth and nail

[100574]

Yamiche of NY times says she just spoke to Trump’s ex-biracial girlfriend who said he only wanted to talk to blacks if they were super famous essentially

[Unknown Member]

This just in – SLN wants us to trust the word a jilted lover. Sorry, not a reliable source. FAKE NEWS
 
Just for the hell of it…
 
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFR-iHmTWVo&t=0m13s&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqFR-iHmTWVo%26t%3D0m13s&has_verified=1]https://www.youtube.com/w…13s&has_verified=1[/link]

[Unknown Member]

[link]https://youtu.be/bmDakhg45rk[/link]

[100574]

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb1Ut7W5_vU][color=”#001ba0″][b]GLORY, GLORY HALLELUJAH[/b] – [b]YouTube[/b][/color][/link][b][/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]

[100574]

pretty sad Ms. Young does not seem to recognize what Trump was revealing-NY Times
 
She dated Mr. Trump nearly 20 years ago, but Ms. Young, whose mother is black and whose father is white, recalled a man with limited understanding of other cultures. He didnt talk much about race or racial history, she said, but he had a curious racial awareness and a [u][b]propensity for stereotypes[/b][/u].
We went to the U.S. Open once, and a lot of black people came because it was Venus and Serena, she said, referring to the Williams sisters. He was impressed that a lot of black people came to the U.S. Open because they were playing.
Black people, he seemed to think, did not watch tennis.[b] [/b][i] [/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]
 

[100574]

There is no cure for a sociopath–they use people like Kleenex–they always keep in mind that their needs must be met

[100574]

[h3][link=http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-confederate-hollywood-20170816-story.html][color=”#001ba0″][b][font=”segoe ui semibold”]California confronts its Confederate past[/font][/b] as monuments are abruptly removed[/color][/link][/h3]
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[btomba_77]

[url=http://thehill.com/media/347052-fox-ceo-rips-trump-donates-1m-to-anti-defamation-league]Fox CEO James Murdoch rips Trump, donate $1 million to ADL[/url]

   James Murdoch, the CEO of 21st Century Fox and son of conservative media magnate Rupert Murdoch, ripped President Trump’s response to violence in Charlottesville, Va., last weekend, also pledging a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

“These events remind us all why vigilance against hate and bigotry is an eternal obligation a necessary discipline for the preservation of our way of life and our ideals. The presence of hate in our society was appallingly laid bare as we watched swastikas brandished on the streets of Charlottesville and acts of brutal terrorism and violence perpetrated by a racist mob,” the email continued.

“I cant even believe I have to write this: standing up to Nazis is essential; there are no good Nazis. Or Klansmen, or terrorists. Democrats, Republicans, and others must all agree on this, and it compromises nothing for them to do so.”[/QUOTE]

[Unknown Member]

The end of trump

[kayla.meyer_144]

I love the apologists’ excuses, this guy “happened” to drive into a crowd of anti-Nazis & killed a woman & injured 19 others. 
 
In Barcelona, 2 vans “happened” to drive into crowds killing people just as in France & London before “happened” to kill innocent pedestrians.
 
And Republicans passing laws protecting people who “happen” to drive cars into crowds of people.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-republicans-who-want-to-legalize-running-over-protesters/2017/08/17/f01b7da2-834e-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…a9f2d808496_story.html[/link]
 

Last weekend in Charlottesville, a driver mowed down peaceful protesters and [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-national%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&tid=a_inl&utm_term=.0f759154e9e2]killed[/link] 32-year-old Heather Heyer. The act was reminiscent of [link=http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/04/531459784/raids-in-london-after-attack-that-killed-7-injured-48]recent[/link] terrorist [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-terror-attack-thwarted-say-german-police/2016/12/23/7ea61604-c8e7-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?utm_term=.29e1e25d2154]attacks[/link] across [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/truck-crashes-into-department-store-in-stockholm-casualties-reported/2017/04/07/7942822c-1b96-11e7-bcc2-7d1a0973e7b2_story.html?utm_term=.bacde2a2455f]Europe[/link] committed in the name of the Islamic State, which has urged followers to use vehicles to kill enemies.
 
This year, Republican lawmakers in at least six states have proposed bills designed to protect drivers who strike protesters. The first bill was introduced in [link=http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/65-2017/documents/17-0351-02000.pdf]North Dakota[/link] in January, and similar bills have since come under consideration in [link=http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2017&BillID=h330]North Carolina[/link], [link=http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/110/Bill/SB0944.pdf]Tennessee[/link], [link=http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/1096/BillText/Filed/HTML]Florida[/link], [link=http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/851/billtext/html/HB00250I.htm]Texas[/link] and [link=http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText17/HouseText17/H5690.pdf]Rhode Island[/link]. 
 
They were joined by [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/24/republican-lawmakers-introduce-bills-to-curb-protesting-in-at-least-17-states/?utm_term=.e5a72c7be326]other states[/link] trying to discourage protests
 
The North Dakota bill would shield drivers from civil and criminal liability. The bills sponsor, state Rep. Keith Kempenich, [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/17/how-a-lawmakers-mother-in-law-inspired-a-bill-to-protect-drivers-who-accidentally-run-over-protesters/?utm_term=.e62025a7e43f]perversely suggested[/link] that shielding drivers who kill protesters was a necessary anti-terrorism measure.
Protesters who blocked cars were committing an intentional act of intimidation the definition of terrorism, he [link=http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bills-protest-criminal-20170201-story.html]told[/link] the Los Angeles Times.
 
[link=http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html]Right-wing websites[/link] and at least one [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/09/22/instapundit-glenn-reynolds-defends-run-them-down-tweet-during-charlotte-unrest/?utm_term=.2545df4bb38e]well-known conservative commentator[/link]more gleefully advocated running over protesters, including by sharing a viral video montage titled [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjOl2IZaA8A]Heres a Reel of Cars Plowing Through Protesters Trying to Block the Road[/link]. ([link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU]Tank Man[/link] didnt make the cut, alas.) 
 
I wonder: Did the Republican politicians and pundits who backed these measures believe too few protesters were getting hit by cars?
 
Already, though, white supremacists have latched on to the rhetoric behind these bills to excuse her death. In Vice News Tonights [link=https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror]chilling Charlottesville documentary[/link], neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell [link=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795848/Rally-organizer-President-let-Jew-steal-daughter.html]said[/link] her murder was more than justified because the driver was provoked by stupid animals who attacked and then couldnt just get out of the way because they werent paying attention.

 
 
WTF happened to the Party of Lincoln? Gotta win elections even if it means doing what you can to get them votes from White Supremacists & Nazis.
 
 
 

[Unknown Member]

My question is WTF happened to my fellow white brothers in the rust belt and upper Appalachia that made them such blubbering wussies that are somehow mad at the world

My fathers generation love fed through a depression and a world war and when times got tough they got tougher, worked harder and made their own way in the world

Many in my generation and the younger people just want to cry whine blame immigrants women and people of color for their own faults

To these trumpers it’s someone else’s faults so they beatch whine complain and get hooked on pills…….

…….then they drive 7 hrs to march with a bunch of racists nazis and drive cars into innocent people

WTF is wrong with this picture

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from Frumious

I love the apologists’ excuses, this guy “happened” to drive into a crowd of anti-Nazis & killed a woman & injured 19 others. 

In Barcelona, 2 vans “happened” to drive into crowds killing people just as in France & London before “happened” to kill innocent pedestrians.

And Republicans passing laws protecting people who “happen” to drive cars into crowds of people.

[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-republicans-who-want-to-legalize-running-over-protesters/2017/08/17/f01b7da2-834e-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…a9f2d808496_story.html[/link]

Last weekend in Charlottesville, a driver mowed down peaceful protesters and [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-national%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&tid=a_inl&utm_term=.0f759154e9e2]killed[/link] 32-year-old Heather Heyer. The act was reminiscent of [link=http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/04/531459784/raids-in-london-after-attack-that-killed-7-injured-48]recent[/link] terrorist [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-terror-attack-thwarted-say-german-police/2016/12/23/7ea61604-c8e7-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?utm_term=.29e1e25d2154]attacks[/link] across [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/truck-crashes-into-department-store-in-stockholm-casualties-reported/2017/04/07/7942822c-1b96-11e7-bcc2-7d1a0973e7b2_story.html?utm_term=.bacde2a2455f]Europe[/link] committed in the name of the Islamic State, which has urged followers to use vehicles to kill enemies.

This year, Republican lawmakers in at least six states have proposed bills designed to protect drivers who strike protesters. The first bill was introduced in [link=http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/65-2017/documents/17-0351-02000.pdf]North Dakota[/link] in January, and similar bills have since come under consideration in [link=http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2017&BillID=h330]North Carolina[/link], [link=http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/110/Bill/SB0944.pdf]Tennessee[/link], [link=http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/1096/BillText/Filed/HTML]Florida[/link], [link=http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/851/billtext/html/HB00250I.htm]Texas[/link] and [link=http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText17/HouseText17/H5690.pdf]Rhode Island[/link]. 

They were joined by [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/24/republican-lawmakers-introduce-bills-to-curb-protesting-in-at-least-17-states/?utm_term=.e5a72c7be326]other states[/link] trying to discourage protests

The North Dakota bill would shield drivers from civil and criminal liability. The bills sponsor, state Rep. Keith Kempenich, [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/17/how-a-lawmakers-mother-in-law-inspired-a-bill-to-protect-drivers-who-accidentally-run-over-protesters/?utm_term=.e62025a7e43f]perversely suggested[/link] that shielding drivers who kill protesters was a necessary anti-terrorism measure.
Protesters who blocked cars were committing an intentional act of intimidation the definition of terrorism, he [link=http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bills-protest-criminal-20170201-story.html]told[/link] the Los Angeles Times.

[link=http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html]Right-wing websites[/link] and at least one [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/09/22/instapundit-glenn-reynolds-defends-run-them-down-tweet-during-charlotte-unrest/?utm_term=.2545df4bb38e]well-known conservative commentator[/link]more gleefully advocated running over protesters, including by sharing a viral video montage titled [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjOl2IZaA8A]Heres a Reel of Cars Plowing Through Protesters Trying to Block the Road[/link]. ([link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU]Tank Man[/link] didnt make the cut, alas.) 

I wonder: Did the Republican politicians and pundits who backed these measures believe too few protesters were getting hit by cars?

Already, though, white supremacists have latched on to the rhetoric behind these bills to excuse her death. In Vice News Tonights [link=https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror]chilling Charlottesville documentary[/link], neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell [link=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795848/Rally-organizer-President-let-Jew-steal-daughter.html]said[/link] her murder was more than justified because the driver was provoked by stupid animals who attacked and then couldnt just get out of the way because they werent paying attention.

WTF happened to the Party of Lincoln? Gotta win elections even if it means doing what you can to get them votes from White Supremacists & Nazis.

It makes sense in some situations.  Like BLM closed down I-90 in The Land by walking out onto the highway.  That’s dangerous not only to themselves but motorists.   This guy didn’t seem like he was running from the crowd, he drove right into it.  
 
We’re probably going to see more of these attacks like in Europe.  ISIS is losing and they need to stay relevant.  As they disperse from the middle east they’ll be up to this kind of BS. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Is such a law needed? If someone throws themselves in front of my moving car & under my wheels, I am already not liable.
 
However, if I hit someone obstructing or blocking traffic because I want to get through, that is a very gray area depending on my actions and the actions of the “obstruction.” The usual thing if I am obstructed is not to accelerate and drive through. Maybe carefully back up is a better action? I can always cuss them out. Just not drive over them.
 
There are 1st Amendment Rights. Anyone illegally obstructing traffic can be arrested. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from Frumious

Is such a law needed? If someone throws themselves in front of my moving car & under my wheels, I am already not liable.

However, if I hit someone obstructing or blocking traffic because I want to get through, that is a very gray area depending on my actions and the actions of the “obstruction.” The usual thing if I am obstructed is not to accelerate and drive through. Maybe carefully back up is a better action? I can always cuss them out. Just not drive over them.

There are 1st Amendment Rights. Anyone illegally obstructing traffic can be arrested. 

I feel like you answer the question.  Is a law needed?  Than you say it’s gray area.  A law would make it black and white, correct?  I wouldn’t even put the law into play with this Ohio dude ramming into the protesters.  That guy should feel the full weight of the law coming down on him.  It’s easy to say anyone obstructing traffic can be arrested, I’ve rarely seen that as the case (at least around here).  We let them lie down on bridges, and streets in The Land.  

[kayla.meyer_144]

Anne Applebaum has some cautions about the possibility of the extreme right-wingers becoming the “center.” It’s happened in Hungary & can happen here. After all our “center” has moved very much to the right in the past decades. Nixon would be a RINO. Hell, Reagan would be a RINO! We already know the alt-Right believes both Bushes are Cuckservatives. 
 
How right does someone have to move? We have Trump & the recent demonstration in Charlottesville as examples of how right. As a start that is. They see more space available to the right to move into.
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/beware-trump-may-use-the-alt-right-to-turn-himself-into-the-center/2017/08/17/63a0a06c-8350-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…a9f2d808496_story.html[/link]
 

To date, Trump has used bigotry mainly as an electoral tool, to excite a relatively small group of supporters lets call them the alt-right because its a useful shorthand and to persuade them to attend his rallies, to donate money, and above all to coordinate and staff (I suspect both as volunteers and professionals) his online campaign. This tactic was successful largely because the rest of his voters, mainstream Republicans, were not bothered by the tactics that Trump used to win the election. Either they didnt see the online racism not everyone uses social media, especially Twitter or they found compelling reasons, such as hatred of Hillary Clinton or desire for a conservative Supreme Court, to overlook it.
 
The question now is whether Trump will go further, manipulating racism for political ends as others have done in other countries. The anti-immigration rhetoric used during the Brexit referendum in Britain led to [link=http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/brexit-increase-racist-attacks-eu-referendum-160628045317215.html]increased physical attacks[/link] on immigrants there; the same thing has happened after victories by anti-immigrant or racist parties elsewhere. Individual acts of violence may increase in the United States. Remember, along with group violence, individual acts are very useful to Trump: He can crack down on the violence, he can call for more police, he can present himself as the candidate of law and order. The more chaos, the stronger he will seem.
 
By encouraging the alt-right, Trump can also change our definition of what it means to be a moderate or a centrist. This tactic has been used successfully in Hungary, where the center-right ruling party, Fidesz, turned a neo-fascist alt-right party, Jobbik, into an electoral asset.
 
it isnt hard to imagine reaching a point at which Trump, or one of his successors, can argue to his Republican Party colleagues that they, like Hungarians, need to support mildly racist moderates such as himself in order to avoid violently racist extremists on the fringes. The more madness swirls around him, the more sane he will seem. 
 
The lesson? Dont be shocked. Instead, watch how Trump uses racism in politics and find a political response. Build up the centrist majorities of both political parties. Argue back against violence. Dont let Trumps extremism create more extremism. Look at whats happened in other places, and dont let it happen here.

 
 

[Unknown Member]

Quote from kpack123

The end of trump

 
I said last November 9th that he doesn’t make it to Halloween.  

[heenadevk1119_462]

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Quote from kpack123

The end of trump

I said last November 9th that he doesn’t make it to Halloween.  

 
I told you you guys would be saying crazy shizot for YEARS
 
Talk about doubling down on stupid, kpack never learned
 
DT to the House and let’s make that … 4 more years just because you guys are so stupid and pathetic

[100574]

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[100574]

U clearly did not get what happened when McCain stood before the Senate and gave the thumbs down–that was like Brutus/other senators putting the knife into Trump’s back–he is done–he is a flop–
Trump is inept, incompetent and unfit for the job of President–his 6 months was a disaster-a network would consider the Trump show a flop and cancelled it–the last straw was when he slandered prior Presidents and  spit on the graves of soldiers that fought in WW2 just to say I am right–sociopaths drag everything they touch onto the gutter–there is no cure for cluster B personality disorders–they only know I
what President would not call the mother of an American child that was mowed down by a racist–sociopaths can’t feel empathy–they are empty–

Quote from Dr. ****er

Quote from stir22

Quote from kpack123

The end of trump

I said last November 9th that he doesn’t make it to Halloween.  

I told you you guys would be saying crazy shizot for YEARS

Talk about doubling down on stupid, kpack never learned

DT to the House and let’s make that … 4 more years just because you guys are so stupid and pathetic

[100574]

the solar eclipse is Monday–what could possibly go wrong–not since[u][b] 1776 [/b][/u]has an eclipse occurred exclusively in the USA
people with health problems take care–no sudden MI

[ruszja]

The confederate statue thing is a brilliant ploy by the leftists. You attack an inanimate object knowing well that in mixed in with folks genuinely upset about the erasure of their family heritage, you will find the Nazis and clansmen. Then you can turn around and call anyone who objects to the rewriting of history Nazis.

[100574]

the majority of these so called objects were put up as a F sign when racial progress seemed to about to occur–put them in a museum
and if your little brain wants to say this was a leftist ploy then the incompetent Trump and the racists  fell for it and they let the whole world see how ignorant, racist and hateful some white people can be

Quote from fw

The confederate statue thing is a brilliant ploy by the leftists. You attack an inanimate object knowing well that in mixed in with folks genuinely upset about the erasure of their family heritage, you will find the Nazis and clansmen. Then you can turn around and call anyone who objects to the rewriting of history Nazis.

[100574]

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This was the song the people in the church were singing Friday night when the racist white bigots showed up with torches and basically held them hostage inside

[100574]

[link=https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sam+cook+a+change+going+to+come+youtube&qpvt=sam+cook+a+change+going+to+come+youtube&FORM=VDRE][color=”#001ba0″]Videos of [b][font=”segoe ui semibold”]sam cook a change going to come youtube[/font][/b][/color][/link][b][/b][i][/i][u][/u][strike][/strike]

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

The confederate statue thing is a brilliant ploy by the leftists. You attack an inanimate object knowing well that in mixed in with folks genuinely upset about the erasure of their family heritage, you will find the Nazis and clansmen. Then you can turn around and call anyone who objects to the rewriting of history Nazis.

Hardly a ploy. Many of the monuments went up in the early 20th Century and the new stories that the South told itself was not about slavery but Northern Aggression & how the Federal government “invaded” the Southern States & started the war of resistance and occupation.
 
The was was about slavery, period. “States’ Rights” was about owning slaves, period. There is nothing glorious about the Civil War motives from a Southern position except for teaching a lie. The history and heritage is very much about Klansmen. I lived there, “some of the nicest people” I knew were in the Klan and shared terrible myths about black people living there in shanty towns. Jim Crow is not a proud belief and set of laws.
 
That is the reality of the South. That is the history and heritage. Exactly the same type of history and heritage Japanese and Germans and Austrians and others who joined in their wars against humanity have to live with; their parents and other family members had a history that is nothing to be proud of. Just the opposite.
 
 

[ruszja]

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That is the reality of the South. That is the history and heritage. Exactly the same type of history and heritage Japanese and Germans and Austrians and others who joined in their wars against humanity have to live with; their parents and other family members had a history that is nothing to be proud of. Just the opposite. 

 
Yet both of those countries have plenty of memorials to the individual soldiers who fought in these wars. They don’t honor to the generals that sent those soldiers to their deaths but they do honor the conscripts who were given a rifle and told to fight. The US has come around to honor those who fought in Vietnam although the conflict itself was started under false pretenses and was an A-Z disaster. Same with the more recent history, we don’t spit on those who went to invade Iraq during the 2003-2011 campaign. They went because it was their job.

[Unknown Member]

Statues is the battle that you want to have

You can make a reasonable point to keep them or get rid of them

But it’s a battle you and the trumpers like you lose badly because the nazis and the klan have a deeper meaning with a lot more Americans

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

Quote from Frumious

 
That is the reality of the South. That is the history and heritage. Exactly the same type of history and heritage Japanese and Germans and Austrians and others who joined in their wars against humanity have to live with; their parents and other family members had a history that is nothing to be proud of. Just the opposite. 

Yet both of those countries have plenty of memorials to the individual soldiers who fought in these wars. They don’t honor to the generals that sent those soldiers to their deaths but they do honor the conscripts who were given a rifle and told to fight. The US has come around to honor those who fought in Vietnam although the conflict itself was started under false pretenses and was an A-Z disaster. Same with the more recent history, we don’t spit on those who went to invade Iraq during the 2003-2011 campaign. They went because it was their job.

Plenty of WWI memorials in Germany, not so much WWII.
 
[link=http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/for-whom-the-bell-tolls-nazi-memorial-embarrasses-german-community-a-800003.html]http://www.spiegel.de/int…ommunity-a-800003.html[/link]
 
Some WWI memorials had the names of WWII dead added but they do not idealize the war unlike the memorials in the South symbolizing the “heroic” Lost Cause against Northern Aggression.
 

DIED
FOR STATES RIGHTS GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION
THE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH, ANIMATED BY THE SPIRIT OF 1776, TO PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS, WITHDREW FROM THE FEDERAL COMPACT IN 1861. THE NORTH RESORTED TO COERCION.
THE SOUTH, AGAINST OVERWHELMING NUMBERS AND RESOURCES,
FOUGHT UNTIL EXHAUSTED.
DURING THE WAR THERE WERE TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN ENGAGEMENTS.
IN EIGHTEEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO OF THESE, AT LEAST ONE REGIMENT TOOK PART.
NUMBER OF MEN ENLISTED:
CONFEDERATE ARMIES 600,000; FEDERAL ARMIES 2,859,132
LOSSES FROM ALL CAUSES:
CONFEDERATE, 437,000; FEDERAL, 485,216

 
“States Rights guaranteed under the Constitution” To Freedom!
 
As written in Animal Farm, “Some are more equal than others.”
 
I don’s see WWII memorials in Germany praising the fight of Nazis for “freedom.” There are no memorials for “Blut und Boden,” “Blood and Soil,” the excuse for racial murder. 
 
As for Vietnam, no one is praising Vietnam as a heroic war except those who believe in Rambo. It is viewed as a mistake based on a lie, the Gulf on Tonkin non-incident as shown in the Pentagon Papers, another “hack” of government information.
 

 

[ruszja]

That being said, I have no problem with looking at individual monuments and their history to decide whether they should stay or go. Some of these markers were put up by family organizations early after the war to memorialize the confederate soldiers lost in the conflict. 98% of them were not slave owners and went to war because they were told to. Other monuments memorializing traitors like Lee were put up in the 20th century by private parties as a big middle finger towards the northerners. So, maybe it would make sense to replace some statues but not others.

I don’t expect the political Taliban on the left to get those finer points.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

That being said, I have no problem with looking at individual monuments and their history to decide whether they should stay or go. Some of these markers were put up by family organizations early after the war to memorialize the confederate soldiers lost in the conflict. 98% of them were not slave owners and went to war because they were told to. Other monuments memorializing traitors like Lee were put up in the 20th century by private parties as a big middle finger towards the northerners. So, maybe it would make sense to replace some statues but not others.

I don’t expect the political Taliban on the left to get those finer points.

Your history needs some work. Get rid of your mythology. Leading up to the Civil War there was a lot of pressure to expand slave states into the new territories. There was violence to expand slavery into these territories. If the myth of Southerners not owning slaves and therefore not supporting slavery was true, this pressure and violence would have stopped at the borders of the early Slave States. But it did not.
 
Let’s also remember a major Protestant religion, the Baptists split over the issue of slavery with congregations who believed in slavery breaking and forming their own new religion that specifically justified slavery as God’s Will, the Southern Baptists. You don’t do that with a handful of plantation owners scattered throughout the South while the majority of people don’t believe in slavery.
 
[link=https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/why-non-slaveholding-southerners-fought]https://www.civilwar.org/…ing-southerners-fought[/link]
 

The short answer, of course, is Abraham Lincolns election as president of the United States.  What concerned Southerners most about Lincolns election was his opposition to the expansion of slavery into the territories; Southern politicians were clear about that.  If new states could not be slave states, went the argument, then it was only a matter of time before the Souths clout in Congress would fade, abolitionists would be ascendant, and the Souths peculiar institution the right to own human beings as property would be in peril.
 
But what about those Southerners who did not own slaves?  Why would they risk their livelihoods by leaving the United States and pledging allegiance to a new nation grounded in the proposition that all men are not created equal, a nation established to preserve a type of property that they did not own?
 
There is, of course, a historical backdrop that formed the foundation of experience for Southerners in 1860.  More than 4 million enslaved human beings lived in the south, and they touched every aspect of the regions social, political, and economic life.  Slaves did not just work on plantations.  In cities such as Charleston, they cleaned the streets, toiled as bricklayers, carpenters, blacksmiths, bakers, and laborers.  They worked as dockhands and stevedores, grew and sold produce, purchased goods and carted them back to their masters homes where they cooked the meals, cleaned, raised the children, and tended to the daily chores.  Charleston looks more like a Negro country than a country settled by white people, a visitor remarked.
 
Fear of a slave rebellion was palpable.  The establishment of a black republic in Haiti and the insurrections, threatened and real, of Gabriel Prosser, Denmark Vesey, and Nat Turner stoked the fires. 
 
The South felt increasingly beleaguered as the North increased its criticism of slavery.  Abolitionist societies sprang up, Northern publications demanded the immediate end of slavery, politicians waxed shrill about the immorality of human bondage, and overseas, the British parliament terminated slavery in the British West Indies.  A prominent historian accurately noted that by the late 1850s most white Southerners viewed themselves as prisoners in their own country, condemned by what they saw as a hysterical abolition movement.
 
As Southerners became increasingly isolated, they reacted by becoming more strident in defending slavery.  The institution was not just a necessary evil: it was a positive good, a practical and moral necessity.  Controlling the slave population was a matter of concern for all Whites, whether they owned slaves or not.  Curfews governed the movement of slaves at night, and vigilante committees patrolled the roads, dispensing summary justice to wayward slaves and whites suspected of harboring abolitionist views.
 
Southern clergy defended the morality of slavery through an elaborate scriptural defense built on the infallibility of the Bible, which they held up as the universal and objective standard for moral issues.  Religious messages from pulpit and from a growing religious press accounted in large part for the extreme, uncompromising, ideological atmosphere of the time.
 
[b]As Northern opposition to slavery grew, the three major protestant churches split into northern and southern factions.  The Presbyterians divided in1837, the Methodists in 1844, and the Baptists in 1845.  The segregation of the clergy into Northern and Southern camps was profound.  It spelt an end to meaningful dialogue, leaving Southern preachers to talk to Southern audiences without contradiction.[/b]
 
What were their arguments?  The Presbyterian theologian Robert Lewis Dabney reminded his fellow Southern clergymen that the Bible was the best way to explain slavery to the masses.  We must go before the nation with the Bible as the text, and thus sayeth the lord as the answer, he wrote.  We know that on the Bible argument the abolition party will be driven to unveil their true infidel tendencies.   The Bible being bound to stand on our side, they have to come out and array themselves against the Bible.
 
Reverend Furman of South Carolina insisted that the right to hold slaves was clearly sanctioned by the Holy Scriptures.  He emphasized a practical side as well, warning that [b]if Lincoln were elected, every Negro in South Carolina and every other Southern state will be his own master; nay, more than that, will be the equal of every one of you.  If you are tame enough to submit, abolition preachers will be at hand to consummate the marriage of your daughters to black husbands.[/b]

 
Fear of the inferior black man. It still exists today and is still justified today. Blacks are little more than lazy and criminals in the minds of many people. Oh, there are some exceptions, but… You just have to think of the knee-jerk justifications for the deaths of Treyvon Martin, Eric Garner and the children like Tamir Rice.
 
 
 

[Unknown Member]

This is not just about statues or monuments ….
That is the battle that trump wanted to fight after he initially put his foot in his mouth on Saturday

The nazis have nothing to do with confederates or statues of generals. The KKK hates Catholics and Jews and anyone non white….this is not the battle trump wanted but that’s the battle he got

[kayla.meyer_144]

This says it all:
 
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[kayla.meyer_144]

The way to meet and greet White Supremacists and Nazis, not violence, not shouting – give them the ridicule they deserve & help them see a better way than hatred. Businesses and individuals should pledge $1 for each foot/mile the Supremacists/Nazis walk to programs to deprogram the cult of hatred from extremists.
 
[link=http://www.exit-deutschland.de/english/]http://www.exit-deutschland.de/english/[/link]

[h3]EXIT-Germany is an initiative to help anyone who wants to break with right-wing-extremism and to start a new life.[/h3] EXIT-Germany is an initiative assisting individuals, who want to leave the extreme right-wing movement and start a new life. EXIT-Germany was founded by criminologist and former police detective Bernd Wagner and former neo-Nazi leader Ingo Hasselbach. EXIT-Germany has been working since summer 2000 to provide assistance to dropouts from extreme and violent right-wing environments.

 
 
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-of-nazis.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…make-fun-of-nazis.html[/link]
 

For decades, Wunsiedel, a German town near the Czech border, has struggled with a parade of unwanted visitors. It was the original burial place of one of Adolf Hitlers deputies, a man named Rudolf Hess. And every year, to residents chagrin, neo-Nazis marched to his grave site. The town had staged counterdemonstrations to dissuade these pilgrims. In 2011 it had exhumed Hesss body and even removed his grave stone. But undeterred, the neo-Nazis returned. So in 2014, the town tried a different tactic: [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/17/watch-german-town-plays-prank-on-neo-nazis/?utm_term=.8b298acba8d2]humorous subversion[/link].
 
The campaign, called Rechts Gegen Rechts the Right Against the Right turned the march into Germanys most involuntary walkathon. For every meter the neo-Nazis marched, local residents and businesses pledged to donate 10 euros (then equivalent to about $12.50) to a program that helps people leave right-wing extremist groups, called [link=http://www.exit-deutschland.de/english/]EXIT Deutschland[/link].
 
They turned the march into a mock sporting event. Someone stenciled onto the street start, a halfway mark and a finish line, as if it were a race. Colorful signs with silly slogans festooned the route. If only the Führer knew! read one. Mein Mampf! (my munch) read another that hung over a table of bananas. A sign at the end of the route thanked the marchers for their contribution to the anti-Nazi cause 10,000 (close to $12,000). And someone showered the marchers with [link=https://www.thelocal.de/20141117/charity-turns-neo-nazi-march-into-fundraiser-wunseidel]rainbow confetti[/link] at the finish line.
 
The approach has spread to several other German towns and one in Sweden (where it was billed as Nazis Against Nazis).

 
 

[kayla.meyer_144]

3 cheers to Boston for showing the Supremacists and Nazis the virtual door out. 40,000 attended the counter demonstration. The Haters left early without speechifying.
 

Hey hey, ho ho. White supremacy has got to go.
 
 The handful of rally attendees gathered beneath a pavilion near the center of the Common, surrounded by metal barriers and dozens of police. Several hundred feet away, thousands of counterprotesters surrounding them carrying signs declaring Black Lives Matter and Hate Has No Home In Boston, while mockingly chanting we cant hear you when it appeared the ralliers had begun to speak.

[ruszja]

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3 cheers to Boston for showing the Supremacists and Nazis the virtual door out. 40,000 attended the counter demonstration. The Haters left early without speechifying.

An example of good police work. Keep the violent parties separated and let the Nazis do their dress up routine without an audience.

McAwful and the Cville mayor wanted the BLM anarchists and the Nazis to fight it out. Sadly a person got killed in the process.

[tdetlie_105]

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Quote from Frumious

3 cheers to Boston for showing the Supremacists and Nazis the virtual door out. 40,000 attended the counter demonstration. The Haters left early without speechifying.

An example of good police work. Keep the violent parties separated and let the Nazis do their dress up routine without an audience.

McAwful and the Cville mayor wanted the BLM anarchists and the Nazis to fight it out. Sadly a person got killed in the process.

 
Any predictions/thoughts on upcoming rally in Phoenix? Mayor is apparently against it

[ruszja]

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Any predictions/thoughts on upcoming rally in Phoenix? Mayor is apparently against it

I expect a bigger crowd of nazis in Phoenix than in Boston. Plenty of local nuts who live in a double wide out in the desert and use dial-up to get to their daily stormer subscription.

If Phoenix PD and the new Maricopa sheriff want this to be peaceful, it will be peaceful (except maybe for some arrests of violent BLM and antifa who can’t help themselves and attack the police).

[kayla.meyer_144]

What is it about these people attracted to Nazi-ism & Supremacist groups?

[Unknown Member]

They are angry because they are
undereducated and can’t compete well in today’s economy

So they blame everyone especially minorities immigrants and women for taking their place on the socioeconomic ladder

Basically they are spoiled lazy and have a false sense of entitlement that they don’t understand so they turn it into anger and rage

Not my fathers generation…… that’s for darn sure

[Unknown Member]

I don’t know anyone who actually identifies as a Nazi or a White Supremacist, so I can’t speak for those groups. But I know a number of people who are White Nationalists, and I’m familiar with their grievances.

Primarily, White Nationalists are upset by the top-down demographic transformation of European societies – which include the U.S., as anyone with at least a passing familiarity with early immigration law and the Founders’ attitudes is aware – and the ways in which Whites have been guilted into thinking that opposing becoming minorities in their own countries is hateful or evil.

[ruszja]

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What is it about these people attracted to Nazi-ism & Supremacist groups?

I honestly don’t know. The irony is that most of these fat phucks would have been the first ones sent to a camp by the real Nazis.

[kayla.meyer_144]

No it would not make it “black and white,” as it would still require an investigation. It’s not “Stand your ground.” 
 
People in demonstrations getting arrested for obstructing traffic happens often. NYC has done it with Occupy Wall Street for instance. NYC police even maced some women who were fenced in. But that’s another story.