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  • WRVU goals for sub specialized department

    Posted by ljohnson_509 on December 13, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Are you aware of any subspecialized practices having different wRVU goals for specialties? Seems like its not right to have same goals for breast, body, neuro, etc. If so, anything published or available on a website?

    anasaiote replied 4 years ago 9 Members · 20 Replies
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  • btomba_77

    Member
    December 13, 2020 at 8:18 am

    AAARAD breaks it down by subspecialty.
     
    Absolutely different expectations based on subspecialty.  
     
    It’s not near perfect since the way high-RVU and low-RVU is distributed among groups in subspecialized practices is highly variable.  But that is how my RVU productivity is assessed … as a comparison to other academic MSK rads. 
     
     
     

    • ljohnson_509

      Member
      December 13, 2020 at 8:21 am

      Do you have a rough breakdown for body, neuro and msk? Thanks.

      • btomba_77

        Member
        December 14, 2020 at 5:42 am

        No. It is a paid service. Available in the “members only” section of their website.
         
         

        • Patrick

          Member
          December 14, 2020 at 6:26 pm

          We also have different expectations based on subspecialty, private practice.

          • ljohnson_509

            Member
            December 14, 2020 at 6:45 pm

            Can you give me rough numbers or any references? I cant seem to find anything online. Need to make a case that goals should be different for sub specialties. My guess breast and neuro >> msk>body

            • 22002469

              Member
              December 14, 2020 at 7:34 pm

              It depends on the individual practice, how many X-rays people are expected to read, procedures, etc. 
               
              But in general you have body and msk switched. Body CT and US are big time RVU generators (unless the CT is heavy on the complex oncology, hence somewhat job dependent). 
               
              I would also put a pure mammo reader not expected to pitch in with a decent number of X-rays on a level above neuro. 
               
               

              • Dr_Cocciolillo

                Member
                December 14, 2020 at 8:00 pm

                Yep.
                Body > msk almost always.

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  December 15, 2020 at 10:25 am

                  Body has a huge range depending on if you are reading ER studies or complicated inpatients and onocology patients.  The rest could also have a huge range depending if you are reading young ER patients, or elderly patients.  I imagine you could find something for mammo, but the rest are highly dependent on the kinds of cases you are reading.  You will rack up a lot more RVUs in any subspecialty reading the ER cases and young patients.  

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    December 15, 2020 at 10:40 am

                    Same variability for Msk

                    If you are MR heavy you will be up near neuro

                    If you are just slogging plain film you will be down near chest and peds

                    • wmmsllc

                      Member
                      December 17, 2020 at 10:24 am

                      I’ve seen in other posts a CT abd/pelvis w/ has wRVU of 1.8 (I think).
                       
                      Does anyone know off the top of their head the wRVU for the following:
                       
                      Bilat screening mammo (w/o tomo):
                      Bilat screening mammo (w/ tomo):
                      Diag mammo bilat:
                       
                      Rough estimate wRVU would be helpful too.
                       
                      Thanks.

                    • Dr_Cocciolillo

                      Member
                      December 17, 2020 at 10:36 am

                      W/o tomo -1

                      W tomo – 1.5

                      Dx: only marginally above

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      December 17, 2020 at 5:24 pm

                      Mammo is an rvu goldmine. Can be slow and still do better then the fast ones. When did this happen? When I came out years ago, mammo was a money loser.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      December 17, 2020 at 5:29 pm

                      Removed due to GDPR request

                    • jun52.park

                      Member
                      December 17, 2020 at 5:48 pm

                      yeah mammo is solid.  Professional component for screener with tomo per medicare fee schedule is $68.85.  That on par with non con MR joints and better than most non con CTs of all body parts.

                    • wmmsllc

                      Member
                      December 18, 2020 at 10:17 am

                      If 1 wRVU is like ~$36, then how is the professional reimbursement $68 if a mammo is 1 wRVU (68/36= 1.89). My analysis must be completely off. Or is 1 wRVU NOT $36?

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      December 19, 2020 at 1:18 am

                      You need to understand that the wRVU is about 60% on avg if the total pro fee for an exam. On avg.

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      December 19, 2020 at 8:48 am

                      What would goals be in a subspecialized department where everyone takes general call and does mostly subspecialty work during the day?

                      Do you think its fair to hold all sections to the same goals in this environment? The work is partly university level and the rest community. Would love to show the admin some reference.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      December 19, 2020 at 9:09 am

                      Define goals ?

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      December 19, 2020 at 9:22 am

                      Goals= to get bonus, stay off the radar of admin and maybe keep your job in an employed situation although not explicitly stated

                  • anasaiote

                    Member
                    December 20, 2020 at 9:24 pm

                    I completely agree with this. Where I work, the general rads read the simple neuro cases from the ER, and the neurorads read everything else (any complex ER and inpatient CT cases, and all of the CTA and MRI cases that have a zillion images to review), thus selecting for a preponderance of time consuming cases. I wouldn’t expect to have to meet RVU standards that are based an average that includes practices where the neurorads read all of the neuro, including a large volume of simple ER cases.
                     

                    Quote from striker79

                    Body has a huge range depending on if you are reading ER studies or complicated inpatients and onocology patients.  The rest could also have a huge range depending if you are reading young ER patients, or elderly patients.  I imagine you could find something for mammo, but the rest are highly dependent on the kinds of cases you are reading.  You will rack up a lot more RVUs in any subspecialty reading the ER cases and young patients.