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Trump lied on tape about coronavirus
Bob Woodward has him on tape
“This is deadly stuff,” Trump told Woodward on February 7.
In a series of interviews with Woodward, Trump revealed that he had a surprising level of detail about the threat of the virus earlier than previously known. “Pretty amazing,” Trump told Woodward, adding that the coronavirus was maybe five times “more deadly” than the flu.
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Quote from Chirorad84
Bob Woodward has him on tape
“This is deadly stuff,” Trump told Woodward on February 7.
In a series of interviews with Woodward, Trump revealed that he had a surprising level of detail about the threat of the virus earlier than previously known. “Pretty amazing,” Trump told Woodward, adding that the coronavirus was maybe five times “more deadly” than the flu.
Turns out he was right and ‘doctors keep asking him how he knows so much about this virus’. Maybe he DOES have that ‘natural ability’.
Unfortunately he is a pathologic liar who will lie even if he doesn’t have to.-
The next question is
If trump understood how bad it was how in the hello did he bumble the response so bad especially with testing
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Youd think this is enough to get rid of Trump.
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No. Its only useless old people who are dying who would have died in a few weeks anyway.
Whats a couple of hundred thousand earlier deaths on useless oldsters anyway? Ok, a few mushrooms casualties of young people but sacrifices have to be made.
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malfeasance of the highest office.
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Yup, this is the big one that definitely gets Trump. Catching him on tape saying that he was trying to prevent panic even as Democrats were telling people to forget about the virus and go party. Definitely going to do him in. No doubt about it. This is the big one. Got him now. Mmmhmm.
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The biggest problem
If he knew it was dangerous and bad 6 weeks before our first cases why didnt he prepare better?
Have a decent initial test?????
Its gross incompetence
Basically he is a child trying to rush it away or hope it passes
Total malfeasance of leadership
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I do have a question for Woodward. If Woodward knew, from the presidents own lips, that COVID was so deadly, THEN WHY IN THE SEVEN EFFING HELLS DID WOODWARD SIT ON THAT INFORMATION FOR SIX FREAKING MONTHS?!?!?
Hes a journalist! He could have printed that the president said this was really serious IN FEBRUARY!!!
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Heres the fun dilemma regarding Trump and Woodward:
Option one is that Trump made a convincing enough case to Woodward about not causing a panic that Woodward and his editors (no friends of Trump!) thought well…Trump has a point. And they sat on it. In which case, Trump’s actions at the time were construed as reasonable even by his harshest critics. So…thats something like an exoneration of Trump.
Option two is that Woodward and his editors thought that Trump’s reasoning wasn’t good enough, and they sat on a warning about a deadly pandemic for months as it killed hundreds of thousands. And then participated in media criticizing Trump and his response knowing full well that they personally could have saved an untold number of lives.
These are also the people who want you to vote for Biden.
The result is: (1) Trump is excused or (2) I think we have to hang Woodward and his editors for horrific negligence and consider re-electing Trump anyway because electing Biden would be what demonstrably evil people want.
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The tape doesnt lie
Pretty hard to
Spin this one Inyo evil reporter making up
Fake newsTry another angle
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Ok.
Fauci just now on
“I didn’t see any discrepancies between what we told [Trump] and what he told the public.”
[link=https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1303767431643422720?s=21]https://twitter.com/still…03767431643422720?s=21[/link]
Dr. Fauci just came out and defended Trump. The Woodward stuff is nonsense. pic.twitter.com/ySPUM6pfP6
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) September 9, 2020
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Yes I will. Good hygiene is important to healthy living.
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This is really it!
[link=https://www.youtube.com/embed/ppGj5FOFckM?start=4]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ppGj5FOFckM?start=4[/link] -
Bombshell! We got him this time boys!
Its a Roadrunner/Wile E Coyote situation. At this point I want to see Trump say a cheerful Beep beep! as he walks out of a press conference.
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Shall we let this topic die as it is grossly… and emotionally… over exaggerated? It is meaningless and proves what? The Libertards can say… “I told you so!” once again! For the 100th time? Do us a favor, find stuff that really matters, that has proof, that really means something and if… if… it is factual, I will agree to it or not. I feel like the lefties on here are becoming little starter Karens.
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Lying is ok for the trumpers
He did it for our own good
We cant handle the truth because we only want to be told that we are great and everything is moonbeams and sunshine
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And above all its ok to lie because we hold a bible upside down in front of a church
Libtards are bad
Trump is good
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[h1][b]Biden Says Trumps Handling of Virus Almost Criminal[/b][/h1]
Joe Biden told [link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html]CNN[/link] it is disgusting and almost criminal that President Trump knew of the serious risk posed by the coronavirus in February and then downplayed its threat in March.
Said Biden: This caused people to die. And what did he do the whole time? He acknowledged this you breathe it, its in the air and he wont put on a mask. Hes talking about, Its ridiculous to put on a mask, what do you need social distancing for? Why have any of these rules?’
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CudaRad,
Looking at the schedule, I believe McMasters book comes out soon (in a week or two?). Then John Brennans. Which should be good, deranged fun.
Its funny how many people Trump makes rich with book deals.
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Imagine if on February 7 2020
We had a president who would have warned the country that Covid could be pretty bad
-started to ramp up basic dependable testing
-restocked our PPE
-made a plan to protect the elderly
Imagine where wed be right now
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The lying isn’t even the problem. Obama knew that the healthcare law he just passed was a crock of #### yet he kept hyping it until the day he left office.
The problem is that Trump didn’t do any of things that needed to be done and did everything in his power to hamper the response. He was obviously well informed about the implications of this disease, really baffling why he decided to act the way he did. -
That crock of ### was still magnitudes better than what existed before the ACA. The problem was that Obama and Democrats did not hype it enough allowing the Republicans to tear it down with FUD.
Just imagine how much better it could have been had Republicans worked to help make it better instead of trying to create poison pills & just poison for it, throwing millions under the bus to prevent universal healthcare. -
It is literally mind-boggling to me. If he would have just responded in the way that *any* past president (or any normal human being really) would respond … expressing an appropriate level of concern regarding the threat, using the resources of the federal government to coordinate a response, and just comforting the nation by saying “We’re going to get through this together,” we would have one fifth of the deaths, life would be much closer to back to normal, and Trump would be cruising to re-election
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That crock of ### was still magnitudes better than what existed before the ACA.
It expanded medicaid and drove up everyones deductibles, that’s the only lasting legacy I can see 6 years later. Crock of ####. -
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That crock of ### was still magnitudes better than what existed before the ACA.
It expanded medicaid and drove up everyones deductibles, that’s the only lasting legacy I can see 6 years later. Crock of ####.
We have 4 years of this administration out of those 6 years. Deductibles grew but then so did the cost of healthcare so someone is getting the profits from these premiums.
As for Medicaid, it’s an unfortunate necessity IMO since the Libertarian & Republican solution of doing nothing is not acceptable when it comes to saving lives and providing healthcare to needy adults and children. -
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Shall we let this topic die as it is grossly… and emotionally… over exaggerated? It is meaningless and proves what? The Libertards can say… “I told you so!” once again! For the 100th time? Do us a favor, find stuff that really matters, that has proof, that really means something and if… if… it is factual, I will agree to it or not. I feel like the lefties on here are becoming little starter Karens.
VOTE FOR THE LIAR![size=”0″] [/size][size=”0″]LYING UPSETS THE LIBTARDS![/size]
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Vote Trump
Lying trump makes libtards cry
USA USA USA
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When the House is on fire and theres a five-alarm fire, you have an obligation to let people know. If not, theyre going to burn, and theyre going to die. And this awful, awful incident, tragedy, can be summed up in four words: Trump lied. People died.
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), quoted by the Washington Post, on President Trump deliberately downplaying the deadly impact of the coronavirus.
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Well, the WHO didnt know, or at least confirm that the virus was airborne until July.
So, I wonder what people would have said if Trump has said that the virus was airborne in February, without the scientific community fully ready to back him?
Think of your answer.
And then remember, hey, Trump said he had a good feeling about hydroxychloroquine before the scientific community weighed in. And look what happened.
The most likely scenario if Trump had suggested the virus had been airborne? CNN goes nuts, says hes a lying unscientific fruitcake, Cuomo, Pelosi, dergon and Frumi start huffing the air around sick patients to prove Trump wrong and…
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When the House is on fire and theres a five-alarm fire, you have an obligation to let people know. If not, theyre going to burn, and theyre going to die. And this awful, awful incident, tragedy, can be summed up in four words: Trump lied. People died.
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), quoted by the Washington Post, on President Trump deliberately downplaying the deadly impact of the coronavirus.
Schumer is an idiot. On 2/7, this wasn’t a 5th alarm, this was a piece of siding on fire.
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The basic issue
Trump knew all this early February
He did nothing to prepare. He actually denied it and called it the New Democratic hoax
The question is why?
If hed acknowledged it ramped up PPE production protected the elderly and started working on a test that actually worked and had a quick turnaround imagine how much better wed be now
He would be leading 70-30 in the polls
The question is What the hello was he thinking??
Total deriliction of leadership
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“Bob Woodward had my quotes for many months. If he thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didnt he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? Didnt he have an obligation to do so? No, because he knew they were good and proper answers. Calm, no panic!” ~ Donald Trump, just now
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So he asks why the journalist who revealed that Trump had privately acknowledged downplaying coronavirus didnt do more to save lives? [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]
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It’s Woodward’s fault! Not Donald’s! Donald takes no responsibility for anything!
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“Bob Woodward had my quotes for many months. If he thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didnt he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? Didnt he have an obligation to do so? No, because he knew they were good and proper answers. Calm, no panic!” ~ Donald Trump, just now
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So he asks why the journalist who revealed that Trump had privately acknowledged downplaying coronavirus didnt do more to save lives? [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]
Mr President.
Bob Woodwards job is to sell books. Your job is to protect the country.
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Quote from dergon
“Bob Woodward had my quotes for many months. If he thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didnt he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? Didnt he have an obligation to do so? No, because he knew they were good and proper answers. Calm, no panic!” ~ Donald Trump, just now
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So he asks why the journalist who revealed that Trump had privately acknowledged downplaying coronavirus didnt do more to save lives? [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/image]
Dear Police,
I left you all the clues. Why didn’t you stop me?-
This is great. Two movies on one screen.
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Faulty tests could have been detected 6 weeks earlier and fixed
That alone would have been huge
Nursing homes could have been warned
PPE could have be acquired or made
You can blame the democratic governors if you want but there is no way that they had all the information that trump had as early as trump had the information
Maybe if trump shared info with New York New Jersey governors this would have prevented a lot of deaths
The apologist are disgusting
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lol mind-bottling.
Chiro, you should talk to Cuomo about your beefs.
Also, yeah what kind of idiot would expect the CDC to have adequate tests created. He should have stopped them from making them and made sure they were fine! Come on man. That’s just silly to expect anyone (Trump, Biden, etc.) to have prevented that problem. Only the CDC is to blame.-
1. Would trump have more information earlier than Cuomo?
2. It took us until mid March to realize our testing sucked. You dont think knowing that 6 weeks earlier would have made a difference? Seriously quit apologizing and blame shifting
Lets just blame everything except the guy who lied
He was just trying to protect our feelings
OMG you apologist are crazy
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How do you apologist function?
Total lap dogs for a washed up reality show hosts
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Well the President Woodward shouldve done something given by President DJT is interesting. As someone wrote on Twitter
So to recap its President Bidens fault that protests are happening and its President Woodwards fault that so many died from the coronavirus, and ordinary citizen Donald Trump is disgusted how both men have been derelict in their presidential duties.
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Heh. So Woodward talked to Trump 18 times, and the big revelation is that Trump didnt want to start a panic?
Wow. Thats a pretty thorough vetting that Trump cleared. Nice.
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So why are all the trumpers and Trump and you pooping your pants
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So why are all the trumpers and Trump and you pooping your pants
It’s a great time to get things done. This week it’s troop drawdowns and a policy that allows the Dept of Education to suspend or eliminate grants to public universities that violate the First Amendment or otherwise limit free speech.
In other times, these kinds of things would invite some controversy or resistance. Not now. The zone is flooded with “Orange Man said mean things!” stories, pushing the substantial policy actions far down the news feed and out of the consciousness of most journalists.
Hence our desire to keep folks like you spun up about Orange Man Bad stuff. There’s nothing we can do to stop the stories, and the more they pile up the more normal people get numb to it in a political season. The people who remain angry were never going to vote for Trump anyway, and would have constituted the most likely resistance to the above policy actions.
So a portion of the right has been deployed to keep the journalistas and the lefties on a hamster wheel of outrage whilst the remainder of the right gets some things done under the smokescreen created by the OMB stories.
Unfortunately we couldn’t get another COVID relief bill through the Senate. Too many Democrats voted against it. We may pre-emptively nuke the filibuster and get it done. -
Trump lied and thousands died.
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The problem is not that he lied. Everyone knows and expects that he lies when he opens his mouth.
The problem are his active measures to hamper the government’s response, his inability lead by putting competent people in charge and to get those who needed to implement the measures to support it (in newspeak: ‘get buy-in from the stakeholders’ ).
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Agree
And knowing what was known at the time to not at least start preparing was derilict
We denied it until it hit us in the face
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As I posted in Gen’l, imagine if in Feb he acted on his knowledge that COVID was NOT a nothingburger; that he helped NY & NJ obtain badly needed equipment starting with PPEs instead of trash bags & including sufficient ventilators (yes, that as we learned more about COVID weren’t needed as much as originally calculated); that he did not tell NY & NJ & any other state in need that the government would work to get needed supplies instead of telling everyone to bid against each other on the open market for supplies; that mitigation in the form of masks, hand sanitization, social distancing,, etc were the best way to reduce the dangers of spreading COVID and morbidity & deaths until a vaccine could be developed; etc.
Imagine. Imagine the deaths and morbidities that could have been reduced to what they are seeing in other countries instead of having the highest numbers of infections and deaths.
I might have posted it earlier but in mid February a friend called me who is Chinese telling me to stock up on PPE’s, specifically masks as the pandemic was coming. I verified that masks at this time were already unavailable but I could not believe in February that we in this country would be so stupid as to dismiss the danger of a pandemic that China was already reporting & other countries were starting to report deaths from.
I stood and still stand corrected as so many – including physicians on AM are still passing on the nothingburger mythology regardless of evidence in all our faces of 200,000+ deaths.
So no, it wasn’t the lying per se by Trump as everyone including his core knows he lied from the start, it was his deliberate inaction to the coming storm while cheerleading for his ego’s sake and exposing even his supporters into greater danger.
We have proven to be paper tigers in the face of COVID. We are not Americans acting together against a common enemy, we are 2 tribes with one refusing to see any enemy other than the other tribe.
As Melania wore on her coat, “Who cares.”
Apparently a lot of Americans don’t. Even today.
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Wait. Frumi, you knew about this from a credible source in February? And you declined to believe it and act? Did you bring it up to your community or hospital? You didnt bring it up here, and you write on this board all the time. All the crap you post every day, all the novella-length posts, and you exclude the one thing that actually would have been useful??????
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The big thing is if he wouldnt have lied we would have never had to shut down the entire country
Miami New York New Jersey and LA could have be quarantined among other sporadic outbreaks
We wouldnt have 12 million unemployed today if that had happened
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Dont bother answering grifter, hes just a trolling ass Trump defender.
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He confirms that some Americans are dumb as dirt about saving lives vs serving your politics.
All while claiming to have earned a medical degree.
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Thats the first time Frumi has refused to answer a question from me or told people to ignore me, and also the first time Frumi has called me a name like that.
You effed up, Frumi. You got a big red flag and warning yourself, and you did nothing. Did you even try again after the China ban confirmed your friends warning, or were you too busy typing mean messages on a forum board?
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I might be a bit more sympathetic to you grinder if you did not constantly treat COVID and concern about COVID as a joke saying you are “enjoying this” and getting the popcorn.
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So many arm chair medical quarterbacks here who spout… would’a, should’a, could’a Yet they really have no patient contact with this type of disease, whether in treatment or research. Yet, they challenge those with higher education who don’t conform to their politics or feelings as… ignorant, stupid. Typical… Medical wanna be Narcissist’s. You know spoiled little surgeon who used to throw crap in the OR at you?
If Biden wins… Does Fauci’s and Birx’s analysis’ change? I don’t think so. If Biden had the same info, would things be better. We don’t know. So stop arguing over a variable that you cannot change nor add to. Either… Get out there and produce for the greater good of Man or… Keep taking the free ride and let Uncle Sam take care of you. There’s a point were we all have to keep going or die
It make me wonder that some of you on here… actually provide direct patient care. If so, I fear I would die from hang nail if I saw you. Us righties know you don’t have much to go on with Biden and Kamel Hair what they will bring to America. But man… you all need to find a topic of substance. You guys sound like an old bald headed fart. -
Armchair?
He lied about this than downplayed as nothing
He did absolutely nothing from
Early February to mid March to prepare. That alone is deriliction of dutyThen he went on to pump hydroxychloroquine for a few months as some miracle cure
Since when is lying ok
I dont know about armchair analysts but if you or I screwed up this bad in practice we would be sued for malpractice
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Biden would have never fired the pandemic prevention group of what trump called expensive doctors sitting around doing nothing
They would have sniffed this out and had us better prepared
I know you guys are trump fans but please dont be lap dogs
The guy totally blew the response
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Interesting post from back in Feb about COVID and the CDC budget cuts and laying off physicians “until needed.”
The argument was that people were over-reacting then.Quote from frumious
It is not just the proposed cuts to the CDC and Medicare, it’s the belief that thousands of physicians are just standing around doing nothing useful and getting paid for it and that if suddenly needed, we can use these leisured & idle physicians and put them to work and make them useful on a per diem basis, just like real businesses do.
A bit of a disconnect about healthcare and work. It is the definition of corporate groupthink.Quote from Knob Creek Rye
Fake news, just like most of the horse**** peddled by Frumious & Co.
[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/media/485025-ap-fact-checkers-find-biden-bloomberg-paint-distorted-picture-on-trump-cdc]https://thehill.com/homenews/media/485025-ap-fact-checkers-find-biden-bloomberg-paint-distorted-picture-on-trump-cdc[/link]
Who knew horse manure could bite? Like reality.
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He did nothing to prepare. He actually denied it and called it the New Democratic hoax
He didn’t. You know better than to repeat that.
He called the criticism of his handling of the affair the democratic hoax.-
Trump should have prepared! Lol.
He closed travel to China when the experts advising him thought it was unnecessary. As Fauci says, he did everything he was told by the experts.
The only place he deviated from expert advice was the China ban, which turned out to be a stroke of genius.
This is fun.
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Im sorry but your dismissive apology for trumps ineptitude is pretty pathetic
Im sure it is really fun to be a lap dog for a washed up reality side show host
Its the end of the line
Show is about to be canceled
Im sure thats barrels of fun
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Ha! Could be.
Anyway, pace yourself. Got a dozen or so more of these from here to November.
And Bidens cough is getting worse.
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Funny Biden is so old and demented and near life support
But he can run a few miles take a twenty mile bike ride
Trump can barely walk down a ramp without tripping and stumbling
Yep yep yepper
You trump lap dogs got the alternative universe thing going for you
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Funny Biden is so old and demented and near life support
But he can run a few miles take a twenty mile bike ride
Trump can barely walk down a ramp without tripping and stumbling
Yep yep yepper
You trump lap dogs got the alternative universe thing going for you
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He did nothing to prepare. He actually denied it and called it the New Democratic hoax
He didn’t. You know better than to repeat that.
He called the criticism of his handling of the affair the democratic hoax.
Yes but Trump’s supporters don’t seem to know the difference.
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Bottom line is he did nothing to prepare
He wasted time downplaying the virus
Our initial tests didnt work and had to be updated that set us back a few weeks. Thats a problem that could have been easily fixed in 6 weeks
The rationing of PPE initially could have been avoided
Nursing homes could have been protected with a little advanced warning
I dont care what your political views are this is basic stuff
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Cant blame the media or say the other side is bad or fake news
Trumps own words and ineptitude
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You realize it was the Democrats first downplaying it and that’s a big reason why NY had so many cases right?
Faulty tests had nothing to do with Trump and there was nothing he could do about that – would have been the same with Biden. Same with early PPE.
Biden also would not have blocked off access to China early on.
Has Trump made some mistakes? Yes. But any President would with a novel virus and to assume Biden would have been better is just not reality. He could have been the same or even worse. Given what Biden/Obama did for H1N1, there’s no assurances at all that he would have been better than Trump. No way of knowing for sure at this point though. -
Best line in book review of Woodward’s book:
Readers who pick up Bob Woodwards new book, Rage, and are tantalized by the promise on its dust jacket of an utterly vivid window into Trumps mind, will quickly get schooled in a lesson that apartment hunters in New York often have to learn: [b]A window can be only so vivid if it looks out onto an air shaft.[/b]
The Trump that emerges in Rage is impetuous and self-aggrandizing in other words, immediately recognizable to anyone paying even the minimal amount of attention.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/books/review-rage-donald-trump-bob-woodward.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…rump-bob-woodward.html[/link]
Yes, Trump explicitly told Woodward back in March that in public he was deliberately understating (or, to put it more bluntly, lying about) what he had learned about the pandemic: that the coronavirus was, as he told Woodward the month before, more deadly than even your strenuous flus but he preferred to always play it down. [b]Yet the discrepancy between what Trump knew (the virus was bad) and what he said (its all good) was [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html]already reported in April[/link].[/b] Trump had loudly refused to let American passengers disembark from a cruise ship in March because I like the numbers being where they are.
For the most part, Trump turned the 17 interviews into opportunities for his rambling monologues, using Woodward as an audience, inevitably steering the conversations back to his favorite talking points: fake news, James Comey, the Mueller report. Woodward tried to get Trump to talk about policy and governing This is all for the serious history, Mr. President, he coaxed but Trump would have none of it. In April, as the pandemic raged, Woodward went to Trump with a prepared list of 14 critical areas where my sources said major action was needed to stop the mass death; whats puzzling isnt so much Trumps refusal to engage with this earnest list as Woodwards expectation that he would. We were speaking past each other, a plaintive Woodward writes, almost from different universes.
Woodward ends Rage by delivering his grave verdict. When his performance as president is taken in its entirety, he intones, I can only reach one conclusion: Trump is the wrong man for the job. [b]Its an anticlimactic declaration that could surprise no one other than maybe Bob Woodward. In The Choice, his book about the 1996 presidential campaign, he explained something that still seems a core belief of his: When all is said and sifted, character is what matters most. [/b]But if the roiling and ultimately empty palace intrigues documented in Rage and Fear are any indications, this lofty view comes up woefully short. [b]What if the real story about the Trump era is less about Trump and more about the people who surround and protect him, standing by him in public even as they denounce him (or talk to Woodward) in private a tale not of character but of complicity?[/b][b][/b]
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Just heard the sound clips of him talking about covid. Just mind bottling that people aren’t asking for his resignation. That dumb-dumb John Kennedy is out there going saying it’s a gotcha book. He’s recorded saying this stuff.
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Our initial tests didnt work and had to be updated that set us back a few weeks. Thats a problem that could have been easily fixed in 6 weeks
Its hard to put that failure at president trumps feet. The decision to develop a CDC internal test for a different target from the one used by the korean/german test was not one made by the president or even the buffoon he appointed CDC director. This error was made by management level people within the CDC.-
Absolutely but doesnt the decision to downplay start from the top?
Do you
Remember how crazy it was in March and early April because our initial tests had to be reconfigured?It took us about 3-4 weeks to actually revamp the test and longer to produce it en masse
That could have been worked out in the 6 weeks we spent denying it
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The CDC certainly has proven itself to be less than competent with this pandemic. I’m sure the budget cuts did not help but still does not excuse that it’s taken months for them and they still aren’t up to snuff.
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Firing the pandemic response team probably didnt help the CDC or NIH much
In 2018 these expensive doctors were let go because they were standing around doing nothing
Basically that was their job to prepare us for this kind of stuff
And Trump let them go
Kinda like building a skyscraper and not paying your insurance
The bottom line is a total deriliction of duty from the top
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But TRump does not like seeing doctors standing around doing nothing with their hands on their whatevers. His idea was that they are kinda on unpaid call & would be called up when he thought they were necessary.
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Firing the pandemic response team probably didnt help the CDC or NIH much
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What do you think happened?
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Did he not let them go?
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Reuters. [link=https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team-idUSKBN21C32M]https://www.reuters.com/a…mic-team-idUSKBN21C32M[/link]
Some of the people weve cut, they havent been used for many, many years and if we ever need them we can get them very quickly and rather than spending the money.
He further rationalized the cut of the team:
Im a business person, I dont like having thousands of people around when you dont need them.
Dr. Beth Cameron
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…0c22bbee96f_story.html[/link] -
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Did he not let them go?
The national security council was reduced to the size it had before Obama expanded it. As part of that, pandemic response was reorganized from being a standalone group to be part of the ‘antiproliferation and biodefense directorate’.
Some obama plants didn’t like that and left.
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The question is did “streamlining” the agency improve its abilities and effectiveness or make things worse. So far the agency’s & government’s response has been less than stellar, to understate. Why is the question.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/]https://www.washingtonpos…sponse-exits-abruptly/[/link]The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemers departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/04/27/bill-gates-calls-on-u-s-to-lead-fight-against-a-pandemic-that-could-kill-millions/?utm_term=.e861b54cdaeb&itid=lk_inline_manual_4]already underprepared [/link]for the increasing risks of a [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-trump-administration-is-ill-prepared-for-a-global-pandemic/2017/04/08/59605bc6-1a49-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.6b7fb71a6b57&itid=lk_inline_manual_4]pandemic[/link] or bioterrorism attack.[size=”0″]
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[link=https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a]https://apnews.com/ce014d.b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a[/link]Its unclear whether the decision to disband the directorate, which was made in May 2018, after John Bolton became national security adviser, was a tactical move to downgrade the issue or whether it was part of the White Houses interest in simplifying and shrinking the National Security Council staff, Cameron says.
The NSC during the Obama administration grew to about 250 professionals, according to Trumps current national security adviser, Robert OBrien. The staff has been cut to about 110 or 115 staffers, he said.
John Bolton, a former Trump national security adviser, dismissed claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nations bio defense are false. In a tweet, he said global health remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis. The angry Left just cant stop attacking, even in a crisis.Defending the response after hitting the iceberg.
“The band played well.”
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BUT! It certainly does not help the CDC or the public to have political loyalists interfere with the CDC’s functioning.
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809]https://www.politico.com/…rts-on-covid-19-412809[/link]
The health departments politically appointed communications aides have demanded the right to review and seek changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Preventions weekly scientific reports charting the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, in what officials characterized as an attempt to intimidate the reports authors and water down their communications to health professionals.
In some cases, emails from communications aides to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other senior officials openly complained that the agencys reports would undermine President Donald Trump’s optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to emails reviewed by POLITICO and three people familiar with the situation
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/12/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…id-19-coronavirus.html[/link]
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