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I think she’s believable but there’s also a lot of evidence pointing Cohen to Trump Org. So I’m not sure what the scoop is. Is it the affair or the alleged cover up? Probably the later. We already know Trump lacks morals.
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Putting aside the (likely minimal) political impact either way.
Is there anyone out there who now believes the affair didn’t happen?
What difference does it make ?
This is what I said about it in my second post in this thread:
> Oh, I have no doubt that he had the affair. It looks like
> someone saw a good opportunity to squeeze him for cash
> when he decided to run for office. There was probably a
> line out the door of his lawyers office in the weeks before
> the election. Take a number.
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Hmmm, so it doesn’t matter now to the religious fanatics that he’s had multiple affairs cheating on his wife. Frankly not too much of my business for consenting adults if not exactly what I most want in a President. Bragging like a grade school boy that “they let you grab their ‘kitty’ is not exactly a good CV for POTUS.
But we have lying with an acknowledged payoff of $130k? Uh, does that prove Trump is dumb or the public is?
And now we have a story of a threat of physical harm to a woman if she speaks up?
But now it’s all OK because it’s Trump. And the same supporters will complain about declining morality & bad government. And this is only about sex and treating women. There is much more to not admire about Trump.
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so it doesn’t matter now to the religious fanatics that he’s had multiple affairs cheating on his wife.
No. It absolutely does not. Trump’s appeal to evangelicals isn’t about morality, ethics, or the teachings of Christ. It is about white Christian nationalism.
The religious right sticks with Trump because he is the human embodiment of the fierce backlash to the secular global multiculturalism of the Obama years.
More than anything the evangelicals want the US to be a white Christian nation.
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Maybe not all but a lot of the evangelical pastors seem to be just like Trump. They scam people out of money and live a wealthy lifestyle. Joel Osteen comes to mind.
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Maybe not all but a lot of the evangelical pastors seem to be just like Trump. They scam people out of money and live a wealthy lifestyle. Joel Osteen comes to mind.
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so it doesn’t matter now to the religious fanatics that he’s had multiple affairs cheating on his wife.
No. I absolutely does not. Trump’s appeal to evangelicals isn’t about morality, ethics, or the teachings of Christ. It is about white Christian nationalism.
The religious right sticks with Trump because he is the human embodiment of the fierce backlash to the secular global multiculturalism of the Obama years.
More than anything the evangelicals want the US to be a white Christian nation.
Morals and “Christian” behavior have nothing to do with their support for Trump.
dergs finally with a completely accurate post
No supporter of Donald Trump didn’t know any of this before voting for him.
And I find it weird that the side that promotes the greatest forms of degeneracy in society brings this up, time and again, after all their sick policies. No one buys this outrage from people who in the first place, lack any. People caught on that it was just a trick to keep winning, and the other side finally figured it out, among other things. So now the nothing burgers keep digging deeper, because they have literally nothing left, as losers.
Sorry to break it to you
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[link=https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.amp.html]https://www.google.com/am…michael-cohen.amp.html[/link]
FBI raids Cohens office
Gets stormy documents
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NY Office–so a pardon won’t work—that little fire may have triggered this–
Keeps raining all of the timeQuote from dergon
[link=https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.amp.html]https://www.google.com/am…michael-cohen.amp.html[/link]
FBI raids Cohens office
Gets stormy documents
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Bloomberg reporting that Mueller brought information involving Cohen to Rod Rosenstein, who decided that the matter should be handled by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York rather than by Muellers team
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WaPo says its related to bank fraud and stormy D.
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Trump on TV freaking the f*ck out about the Cohen raid.
Going after Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller … full Trump mode.
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rabid–manic–pathetic
the FBI did not break into–they had a warrant and went in with a court order
the Fixer would help dad with kid issues as well
so enter Bolton to start a war with Syria–because Iran is too dicey and N. Korea has nucsx
and if he does not get his Russian deals-he will flip on them as well
a snake who only cares about himselfQuote from dergon
Trump on TV freaking the f*ck out about the Cohen raid.
Going after Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller … full Trump mode.
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In other words, the judge who okd the search warrant, the FBI & prosecutors did not trust Cohen to voluntarily turn over documents. All were afraid they might somehow disappear.
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Yep. Just like Manafort
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the Trump tower fire was suspicious
imho
Cohn is the guy who said U can’t rape your wife
he is also the guy who lied to Rachel Maddow about Don, Jr SC clean up issue
but Trump said on the plane talk to my lawyer MC–well Mueller was like oh I had sent that to NY weeks ago –is Cohen the al capone “bookkeeper”
the fixer helps with kids shenanigans as well–oh that Baku hotel
so I guess this is the end of the Moscow Trump Tower deal
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In other words, the judge who okd the search warrant, the FBI & prosecutors did not trust Cohen to voluntarily turn over documents. All were afraid they might somehow disappear.
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Trump on TV freaking the f*ck out about the Cohen raid.
Going after Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller … full Trump mode.
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“Lock him up!
Lock him up!
Lock him up!…”
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I wager that the DOJ lawyers who made the decision to apply for the warrant and send the FBI in for a raid fully understood the gravity of their decision. I think they never would have done this unless they were very confident that Cohen is guilty of serious crimes. And I suspect they imagine the searches will reveal wrongdoing by Donald J. Trump.
I think this is likely to be a big deal. … perhaps a very big deal.
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I suspect they imagine the searches will reveal wrongdoing by Donald J. Trump.
I think you could see it just in the DJT response. He specifically mentioned attorney client privilege but you lose that when you intend to hide a crime.
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Reporting: Warrant mentions elections laws, payments to Stormy Daniels, communications to Trump regarding the above, communications with Trump campaign regarding above.
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CBS news says they raided Cohen’s house too.
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Interesting this is going to New York. Is that to keep it away from Trump’s potential interference? It definitely sounds like DJT got rattled on this one.
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It was Rosenstens call to move it to the NY office.
Keeps more independence in the investigation and makes it slightly less like that Trump responds by firing him.
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Apparently they can also feed findings back to the Mueller investigation. This one is definitely intriguing because he looks like the Trump fixer based on the Stormy story. It seemed like they had him solidly on in-kind campaign contribution just on the Stormy stuff.
The judge that signed off being a Trump appointment. Checks and Balances in full effect.
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Judge Napolitano:
That evidence would have to be such as to persuade a neutral observer, the federal judge, that it is more likely than not that among these seized documents is evidence of crimes by Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cohen and the president…
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MC–some fixer–more like a major F-up
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[url=https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/rudy-giuliani-gives-the-most-bizarre-explanation-yet-for-cohen-fbi-raid/]Rudy Giulian gives unbelievable explanation for Cohen raid: It may be to “exculpate” Cohen[/url]
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Interesting:
SCOOP: ABC News has learned Geoffrey Berman, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, is recused from the Michael Cohen investigation. He had no role in raid of Cohen’s office. Another recusal that will make [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump]@realDonaldTrump[/link] unhappy.
(Berman is Trump’s hand-picked guy to replace Preet Bharara. Trump took the unorthodox (? untethical?) step of personally interviewing Berman before appointing him to the New York office)-
President Trump lashed out Tuesday at prosecutors for the FBI raids of his longtime personal attorneys Manhattan office, home and hotel room, claiming that it signals an end of attorney-client privilege.
Attorneyclient privilege is dead! the president said on Twitter.
Moments later, he fired off another brief early morning tweet: A TOTAL WITCH HUNT!!!
Among the exceptions to attorney-client privilege is one known as the crime-fraud exception, which exempts communications in furtherance of a contemplated or ongoing crime or fraud.
Responding to Trumps tweet, Bharara wrote: Long live the crime-fraud exception.
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tic toc tic toc tic toc–drip drip drip
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Yep. Just like Manafort
Another person related to “information” which got no one anywhere.
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The funny thing is that had Trump said [i]’sure, I paid her 130k to go away, have you never banged a porn star ?'[/i] this would have been yesterdays news by the end of the week.
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The funny thing is that had Trump said [i]’sure, I paid her 130k to go away, have you never banged a porn star ?'[/i] this would have been yesterdays news by the end of the week.
Yep.
He probably would have just solidified support with the male non-college whites too.
But now we’re here … and [i]here[/i] could be perilous
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/opinion/trump-michael-cohen-fbi-raid.html]Ken White[/link]: The Stormy Daniels payout may be outside the scope of the Russia investigation, but its possible that Mr. Cohens records are full of materials that are squarely within that scope. And the law is clear: If investigators executing a lawful warrant seize evidence of additional crimes, they may use that evidence. Thus Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen, with their catastrophically clumsy handling of the Daniels affair, may have handed Mr. Mueller devastating evidence.
Its easy to conclude that after so many bombshells, this is just another overfrantic news cycle. Its not. Its highly dangerous, and not just for Mr. Cohen. Its perilous for the president, whose personal lawyer now may face a choice between going down fighting alone or saving his own skin by giving the wolves what they want.
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I’d have guessed Kushner before them. One thing that’s flown under the radar is he recently got a $1.2 billion dollar loan from parts unknown for 666 property which is a failing real estate venture.
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the whole Qatar thing stinks
note the kids were being looked at in NY for charges before concerning real estate price inflation
we have the baku disaster
Eric foundation????????
saw this on Wapa
Yvette Dorset was waiting for an ambulance in 2000 after her car was smashed by a hit-and-run driver in Brooklyn, when a stranger came up and handed her cards for Mr. Cohens firm and for a physical therapist. She said she hired Mr. Cohen and in 2001 received a settlement of less than $3,000. WSJ today
if just only HRC voters show up in protest in DC if Mueller is fired–we will have shut down the country–people are organizing on the net–1 million each day arrive in DC–protest in 12 hour shifts–seek port a potty donations/medical donations–food donations–spread the word–a plan is being prepared for the unthinkable– time to show up depends on formation of the information–if word is before 12 noon that day–we start protest at 5 pm –if later in the day 8am–Quote from DICOM_Dan
I’d have guessed Kushner before them. One thing that’s flown under the radar is he recently got a $1.2 billion dollar loan from parts unknown for 666 property which is a failing real estate venture.
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Its not. Its highly dangerous, and not just for Mr. Cohen. Its perilous for the president, whose personal lawyer now may face a choice between going down fighting alone or saving his own skin by giving the wolves what they want.
It’s perilous for the country.
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lol
David Dennison-the alias used for Trump
now for the history buffs
President Grant’s secretary David Dennison was locked up–a raving maniac
sorta how I imagine 45 will be hauled out of the WH in a straight jacket
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[b]National Enquirer bought Trump ‘love child’ story in order to kill it.[/b]
[link=https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-national-enquirer-a-donald-trump-rumor-and-another-secret-payment-to-buy-silence-dino-sajudin-david-pecker/amp?__twitter_impression=true]New Yorker[/link]: Late in 2015, a former Trump Tower doorman named Dino Sajudin met with a reporter from American Media, Inc., the publisher of the [i]National Enquirer[/i], at a McDonalds in Pennsylvania. A few weeks earlier, Sajudin had signed a contract with A.M.I., agreeing to become a source and to accept thirty thousand dollars for exclusive rights to information he had been told: that Donald Trump, who had launched his Presidential campaign five months earlier, may have fathered a child with a former employee in the late nineteen-eighties.
Sajudin declined to comment for this story. However, six current and former A.M.I. employees, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared legal retaliation by the company, said that Sajudin had told A.M.I. the names of the alleged mistress and child. Reporters at A.M.I. had spent weeks investigating the allegations, and Sajudin had passed a lie-detector test, during which he testified that high-level Trump employees, including Trumps head of security, Matthew Calamari, had told him the story.
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Hard to believe Donald had to keep a secret child and he didn’t choose Eric.
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when U don’t use condoms
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Hard to believe Donald had to keep a secret child and he didn’t choose Eric.
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The [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/politics/elliott-broidy-michael-cohen-payout.html]New York Times[/link]: [b]All three women “represented” by the same lawyer?[/b]
NYT looks at the deals arranged by President Trumps personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to silence three different women:
One of the women, a former [i]Playboy[/i] model named Karen McDougal, sold the rights to her story for $150,000 to American Media Inc., the publisher of [i]The National Enquirer[/i]. The other woman, Stephanie Clifford, a pornographic film actress known as Stormy Daniels, received a payment of $130,000 that Mr. Cohen said came out of his own pocket.
Both of the women were represented by Keith M. Davidson. Mr. Davidson also represented the woman in the agreement Mr. Cohen struck on behalf of Mr. Broidy, further establishing a pattern of collaboration between the lawyers in striking for-pay accommodations to silence womens allegations about powerful men.
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The [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/politics/elliott-broidy-michael-cohen-payout.html]New York Times[/link]: [b]All three women “represented” by the same lawyer?[/b]
NYT looks at the deals arranged by President Trumps personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to silence three different women:
One of the women, a former [i]Playboy[/i] model named Karen McDougal, sold the rights to her story for $150,000 to American Media Inc., the publisher of [i]The National Enquirer[/i]. The other woman, Stephanie Clifford, a pornographic film actress known as Stormy Daniels, received a payment of $130,000 that Mr. Cohen said came out of his own pocket.
Both of the women were represented by Keith M. Davidson. Mr. Davidson also represented the woman in the agreement Mr. Cohen struck on behalf of Mr. Broidy, further establishing a pattern of collaboration between the lawyers in striking for-pay accommodations to silence womens allegations about powerful men.
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So Stormy releases the sketch of the man who allegedly threatened her to leave Trump alone. She’s also offering a $100k reward. I imagine that her tip line must be blowing up.
[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/stormy-daniels-releases-sketch-man-she-says-threatened-her-2011-n866676]https://www.nbcnews.com/p…tened-her-2011-n866676[/link]-
These lawyers and clowns should be ashamed for pursuing this, the other nothing burger.
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In a series of tweets, President Trump defended a $130,000 payment to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, saying that nondisclosure agreements were common among celebrities and people of wealth and that none of the money came from his campaign.
Said Trump: Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.
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but Donald YOU were on Air Force 1 lying
lies u can never keep straight
Comey has 1 consistent storyQuote from dergon
In a series of tweets, President Trump defended a $130,000 payment to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, saying that nondisclosure agreements were common among celebrities and people of wealth and that none of the money came from his campaign.
Said Trump: Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.
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I think the gotcha moment is that it might violate campaign finance law. Don was campaigning and it certainly has the appearance this was done to hide this affair and influence his campaign. So it’s a not considered personal but a campaign contribution.
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I think the gotcha moment is that it might violate campaign finance law. Don was campaigning and it certainly has the appearance this was done to hide this affair and influence his campaign. So it’s a not considered personal but a campaign contribution.
And if in the end it was made out of money Cohen received through Trumps generous monthly retainer, it’s a personal expenditure by Trump and not related to the campaign at all. He can spend whatever amount he pleases on his personal legal problems.-
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And if in the end it was made out of money Cohen received through Trumps generous monthly retainer, it’s a personal expenditure by Trump and not related to the campaign at all. He can spend whatever amount he pleases on his personal legal problems.
Incorrect. If the purpose was to prevent harm to the campaign, it is still a loan to the campaign. It was still a contribution that needed to be declared, regardless of repayment. Giuliani’s comments on FOX, “What if it would have come out in October!?” imply that the campaign effect was front and center.
Trump could personally make payments out of his own money to his own campaign. But it is not legal to accept excessive loans without reporting them, regardless of plan for repayment in the future.
By not reporting the loan, the Trump campaign violated the law. (Had Cohen truly acted independently as claimed in BS Story #1, then it could be [i]Cohen[/i] who had violated the law.)
An additional complicating factor is the apparent (if Rudy is telling the truth) effort to funnel the money through various legal entities, mislabel it as attorney fees, and to hide the source. That would be willful criminal misconduct on any involved.
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An additional complicating factor is the apparent (if Rudy is telling the truth) effort to funnel the money through various legal entities, mislabel it as attorney fees, and to hide the source. That would be willful criminal misconduct on any involved.
Potential tax implications aside, what crime was committed by moving money through various entities before it reached Cohen ?
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Total class
Paying a porn star 130K
Denying it
Then admitting
Total 100% fng class
Making America great
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why lie about it on Air Force One—The only thing that we have seen from Trump and company are lies –from Sessions to the kids( we had no interactions with Russians)
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An additional complicating factor is the apparent (if Rudy is telling the truth) effort to funnel the money through various legal entities, mislabel it as attorney fees, and to hide the source. That would be willful criminal misconduct on any involved.
Potential tax implications aside, what crime was committed by moving money through various entities before it reached Cohen ?
And ‘because CNN says so’ is not a valid answer.
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He presided over the national prayer breakfast this morning
He is a good god fearing evangelical who just happens to have a thing for porn stars
Family values
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Passing the money through various entities and structuring the payments to avoid notice could provide evidence of a “knowing and willful” violation. That is a criminal act. (As opposed to an accidental campaign error which can often be corrected by amending filings and paying back monies etc)
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First clue for the unwise, never use “funneled” to describe how payoffs are done. Leaves a bad impression.
In the middle of a friendly conversation with Mr. Hannity, Mr. Giuliani incongruously shifted the subject to the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels. Which, I mean, is going to turn out to be perfectly legal, he said. That money was not campaign money. Sorry, Im giving you a fact now that you dont know. Its not campaign money. No campaign finance violation. The former mayor continued, They funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it.
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First clue for the unwise, never use “funneled” to describe how payoffs are done. Leaves a bad impression.
In the middle of a friendly conversation with Mr. Hannity, Mr. Giuliani incongruously shifted the subject to the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels. Which, I mean, is going to turn out to be perfectly legal, he said. That money was not campaign money. Sorry, Im giving you a fact now that you dont know. Its not campaign money. No campaign finance violation. The former mayor continued, They funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it.
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Passing the money through various entities and structuring the payments to avoid notice could provide evidence of a “knowing and willful” violation. That is a criminal act. (As opposed to an accidental campaign error which can often be corrected by amending filings and paying back monies etc)
Uhuh, and which ‘reddit politics’ lawyer told you that ?
Its illegal and called structuring if you are trying to do conceal something illegal or try to evade a reporting requirement (e.g. large cash deposits). If there is no underlying illegal act, you can shuffle money around to your hearts content as long as you can account for all of it at tax time. Yesterday I wrote a check to one of my business landlords out of company As checking account while company B actually occupies the space. Company A manages some aspects of company B and the expenditures made on company Bs behalf will just go on next months invoice. Nothing illegal about it, just a passthrough expense.
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That was basically a summary from Rick Hasan, the founder of election law blog.
[link=http://electionlawblog.org/]http://electionlawblog.org/[/link]
Attack the messenger if you like. But it’s a pretty credible argument.
If what Giuliani says is true, and if the payments were made to help the campaign and not (just) to help Trump personally, the campaign may be implicated in illegal activity. If Trump knew that Cohen was advancing him a $130,000 loan for campaign purposes, that [link=https://transition.fec.gov/rad/candidates/documents/CanGuide91013-104.pdf]would have to be reported[/link] by the campaign, as would the payments Giuliani said Trump made in installments to Cohen. These would be campaign expenditures that the committee has to keep track of. [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/09/new-evidence-the-stormy-daniels-payment-may-have-violated-election-law/?utm_term=.68b3708e91e8]As Philip Bump[/link] notes, if the Trump Organization facilities were used to help make these payments, then there may be additional campaign violations related to the use of corporate resources for campaigns.
Although many campaign finance violations are handled just as fines, as Giuliani seemed to suggest in his Hannity interview Wednesday night, thats not true for willful violations of campaign finance law, especially those implicating the public interest. Those can lead to criminal liability. If there was an unreported six-figure loan to the campaign to pay off someone who had an affair with a presidential candidate, with repayments facilitated through corporate resources, that seems like a serious enough violation to merit review by the Justice Department.
… it is just as plausible that Giuliani went out there because they know new information will come out, and this is a way to try to get ahead of the story.
Right now, Trump is in a bit of a bind. Either he lied to the American people or he has an incompetent lawyer. (It could be both). For his part, Giuliani [link=https://twitter.com/costareports/status/991883505033342977]told[/link] the Washington Posts Robert Costa that the president was very pleased with his performance and knew in advance about the revelation.-
Or if you prefer the Center for Public Integrity:
[link=https://www.publicintegrity.org/2018/05/03/21733/cohen-payment-stormy-daniels-trump-giuliani]https://www.publicintegri…daniels-trump-giuliani[/link]
Trump can legally contribute unlimited amounts to his own campaign, but the money must be disclosed on campaign finance reports.Stephen Spaulding, chief of strategy and external affairs for Common Cause and a lawyer who once worked at the FEC, said Giulianis comments constitute a bald-faced admission.
This was a potential knowing and willful violation of campaign finance laws, he said, pointing especially to Giulianis comment about the news of the Trump-Daniels situation potentially breaking days before the presidential election on Nov. 8, 2016.
[b]Whos potentially in trouble:[/b] Trump? Cohen? Either. Neither. Or both. Common Causes complaints target both men, and itll be up to the FEC and DOJ to determine who violated campaign finance laws if theres any violation at all.[b]What does former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., have to do with this? [/b]Edwards, a former vice presidential and presidential candidate, was [link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/john-edwards-indictment.html]indicted[/link]in 2011 on charges of using illegal campaign donations to conceal his mistress from voters. The case involved nearly $1 million in payments from political supporters.
Prosecutors alleged the money represented illegal campaign contributions meant to preserve Edwards political viability. Edwards defense [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/us/edwards-jury-returns-not-guilty-verdict-on-one-count.html]argued[/link] the money was a gift and the purpose was to conceal the affair from his wife.
The charges were controversial, and some experts said the Department of Justice shouldnt have brought them. [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/stormy-daniels-trump-payment-illegal-donation-357250]In that camp[/link]: then-FEC Commissioner [link=https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/05/09/19636/two-very-different-donalds-one-white-house-goal]Don McGahn[/link], who is now Trumps White House counsel.
The Edwards jury deadlocked on five out of six counts against him and found him not guilty of the sixth. The Justice Department decided against retrying the case. This case is now [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/stormy-daniels-trump-payment-illegal-donation-357250]viewed[/link] as a potential precedent in the Trump matter, although the situations are not perfectly parallel.
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The Edwards jury deadlocked on five out of six counts against him and found him not guilty of the sixth. The Justice Department decided against retrying the case. This case is now [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/stormy-daniels-trump-payment-illegal-donation-357250]viewed[/link] as a potential precedent in the Trump matter, although the situations are not perfectly parallel.
‘Not perfectly parallel’ lol, I guess that sounds better than saying ‘nothing alike’.
All of the opinions you quoted require the writers to assume a set of facts different from the what happened.
I’ll give you two facts:
– trump boned that woman
– trump lied about whether he knew about the extortion payment when asked by a reporter on board of air Force one-
Kellyanne’s husband tweets FEC rules
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Fw does not know the Courts or jurys opinion on this. Their opinion is all that matters.
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Fw does not know the Courts or jurys opinion on this. Their opinion is all that matters.
And neither do any of tbese ‘experts’.
If Trump got a delivery of propane a week before the election and the propane guy says ‘Just send a check after all this election stuff is over’, the value of the propane in Donald’s tank is not an election contribution.
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Thats your best example for a defense??? That’s the lamest excuse. Unless Trump had a sexual affair with the propane delivery man…
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So much for the argument that Trump knew nothing about any such payment to Stormy & never reimbursed Cohen for any payment to buy Stormy’s silence.
As for Giuliani, a despicable and obsequious human being who will do anything to stay in the spotlight. Another Uriah Heep in an administration of full of Uriah Heeps.
Giuliani has forfeited any claim to being a patriot who believes in this countrys system of law and government. He is now going out of his way [link=https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/991884757964283906]to besmirch[/link] honest law-enforcement officials who present a risk to Trump. Giuliani, like Trump, has decided that [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/29/opinion/the-sense-of-justice-that-were-losing.html]the law is an instrument of power, not justice[/link].
Giuliani just referred to federal law enforcement agents from the district where he used to be US attorney as stormtroopers, Matt Miller, a former Justice Department official, [link=https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/991858481820037120]tweeted[/link] last night. What a despicable human being he is.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/opinion/giuliani-trump-stormy-daniels-cohen.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…rmy-daniels-cohen.html[/link]This denial was always implausible, and now we have new evidence that Trump was lying. On Wednesday evening, Rudy Giuliani, whose appointment to Trumps legal team was announced two weeks ago, appeared on Sean Hannitys Fox News show and casually admitted that Trump had repaid Cohen for the money he gave to Daniels over a period of several months.
This was a bombshell. And in the 12 hours that followed, [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/us/politics/trump-cohen-giuliani.html]both Trump[/link] and Giuliani made a series of statements so seemingly self-sabotaging and undisciplined that observers began searching for some sort of hidden strategy or logic.
Were they trying to get out ahead of a coming revelation? To set off a metaphorical smoke bomb that would distract from some other scandalous development? Or were they really as blundering and incompetent as they appeared?
Norman Eisen, chairman of Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington, was almost giddy when I spoke to him on Thursday morning. Were seeing the unraveling of a corrupt regime by the force and power of the law, and the people who are the handmaidens of the law, he said.
As Eisen points out, Giuliani in his Hannity appearance was trying to argue that Cohen had not violated campaign finance law by spending $130,000 of his own money on behalf of Trumps presidential bid. But he did it in a staggeringly clumsy way that implicated Trump himself. What Giuliani did that was so stunning was, in stumbling away from the campaign finance violation, he bumbled into potentially criminal federal nondisclosure by his client, said Eisen.
Like Eisen, Danielss lawyer, Michael Avenatti, seemed delighted when I spoke to him. Theres no question that our cases, plural, just got exponentially better, he said. On Monday, Daniels filed a defamation suit against Trump in [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/986547093610299392]response to a tweet[/link] in which he called her story of being threatened on his behalf a total con job. In a series of tweets on Thursday morning, written in a lawyerly voice unlike his own, the president went further in disparaging Daniels, calling her claims of an affair false and extortionist.
They say that every case is a fight for credibility, Avenatti said. Theres little question, in light of what weve seen over the last 18 hours, that their credibility on these issues has been destroyed. Trumps voters might not care, but hopefully judges and juries will.
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