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Trump Appears to Endorse Path to Citizenship for Millions of Immigrants
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[b]WH Chief of Staff tells Democrats that Trump’s campaign pledges were “uninformed”[/b]
White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told Democratic lawmakers that the United States will never construct a physical wall along the entire stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border and some of President Trumps campaign promises on immigration were uninformed,’ the [link=http://wapo.st/2DGmkrT]Washington Post[/link] reports.
The comments put Kelly at odds with Trump, who repeatedly said during his presidential campaign that he would build a border wall that Mexico would pay for, not U.S. taxpayers.
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Kelly is not a good guy–he is supposed to have agreed with Miller and told Trump to not go with Durbin/Lindsey Bill and his little protégé- the blond chick yesterday lied lied lied imho–like U don’t know Norway is predominately white–those 2 are tied at the hip and need to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[b]WH Chief of Staff tells Democrats that Trump’s campaign pledges were “uninformed”[/b]
White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told Democratic lawmakers that the United States will never construct a physical wall along the entire stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border and some of President Trumps campaign promises on immigration were uninformed,’ the [link=http://wapo.st/2DGmkrT]Washington Post[/link] reports.
The comments put Kelly at odds with Trump, who repeatedly said during his presidential campaign that he would build a border wall that Mexico would pay for, not U.S. taxpayers.
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Ann Coulter makes what seems to be a good point: what is ostensibly an amnesty for “DREAMers” will inevitably end in amnesty for all illegals, as it’s virtually impossible to verify that a particular illegal was brought in by “no choice” of his or her own.
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If someone made their way here on their own free will as a child good for them. It seems like it would be easier/cheaper/beneficial to have a path for citizenship or legal status, than to try and boot out 3 million people.
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[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/25/why-breitbarts-shot-at-amnesty-don-is-significant/?utm_term=.1f9ef1bf0723]Trump [b]clearly[/b] emdorses a pathway to citizenship for dreamers[/url]
Making an unannounced appearance before a group of reporters Wednesday, Trump [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/01/24/white-house-promises-new-immigration-framework-amid-stalled-negotiations-on-dreamers/?utm_term=.7465bf4e4559]endorsed a path to U.S. citizenship[/link] for recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, whose status is the subject of intense political debate.
Were going to morph into it, Trump said. Its going to happen over a period of 10 to 12 years. If somebody’s done a great job and worked hard, it keeps the incentive to do a great job. … I think it’s a nice thing to have the incentive, after a period of years, of being able to become a citizen.
Breitbart responds with an instant attack, labeling Trump ‘Amnesty Don’-
That was off the cuff TRump though while he was going to AF1 and onto Davos. How will that message be morphed by the people pulling his strings? Lindsay Graham said there’s Tuesday Trump and Thursday Trump.
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Trump will support pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants:
President Trumps immigration proposal to Congress will include a path to citizenship for an estimated 1.8 million young undocumented immigrants more than twice the number of dreamers who were enrolled in a deferred action program Trump terminated last fall, the Washington Post reports.
The figure represents a significant concession to Democrats but is likely to produce sharp blowback among conservative Republicans, even as the White House cast the move as one piece of an immigration framework that would significantly tighten border control laws.
Trumps plan, which will be formally sent to the Senate on Monday, also includes a $25 billion trust fund for a border wall and additional security upgrades on both the southwest and northern U.S. borders. And the president will propose significant curbs to legal immigration channels, restricting the ability of U.S. citizens to petition for visas only for spouses and minor children and ending categories for parents and siblings. Both of those provisions are likely to engender fierce objections among liberal Democrats.
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Not quite as hangable an act of treason as those the Democratic leadership wish to commit… But close.
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Given the extreme difficulty in rounding up and deporting these folks, not to mention that it wouldn’t be “nice” to do so, I won’t get terrifically upset with Trump over being practical. HOWEVER, as the descendant of people who immigrated LEGALLY, I want the Dreamers to pay a price. FIVE years of service to be put at the front of the line is not unreasonable. But I’m afraid Trump doesn’t listen to me, either.
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Out of curiosity how long did it take for your family to immigrate and what was the cost? My mother was born in Austria. I’ll have to check with her also. I’ve never really asked.
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Good question. My grandparents all came from Eastern Europe, Russia, Lithuania, what is now Poland. They are long gone. All I really know is that they came through Ellis Island. Legally.
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Looks like the Left and Dems are lining up quickly and firmly against the Trump proposal.
[b]Chuck Schumer:[/b] While [link=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump]@realDonaldTrump[/link] finally acknowledged that the Dreamers should be allowed to stay here and become citizens, he uses them as a tool to tear apart our legal immigration system and adopt the wish list that anti-immigration hardliners have advocated for for years.
[b]ACLU:[/b] Today the White House released a hateful proposal that would slash legal immigration to levels not seen since the racial quotas of the 1920s, eliminate legal channels for African immigrants, and spend $25BIL for a wasteful border wall + increase in Border Patrol and ICE agents.
“Stephen Miller has said that his proposal is extremely generous, but the only community that benefits from this supposed generosity are white supremacists.”
[b]United We Dream:[/b] Trump’s plan to protect young ppl from deportation includes separation of families & nativist policies. Let me be very clear: immigrant youth refuse to be used as bargaining chips for Stephen Miller to achieve his nativist wish list. The answer to this crisis = [link=https://twitter.com/hashtag/DreamActNow?src=hash]#DreamActNow[/link]
[b]Adam Jentleson, who served as Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s Deputy Chief of Staff:[/b] “Early intel is that this is likely DOA with Hill Dems & advocates.Its laden with poison pills and seems designed to be rejected.
It would have been a very smart play by the WH *if* they had calibrated it correctly – but as usual, they miscalculated.”
[b]Jim Acosta:[/b] “Immigration advocates hammering WH proposal calling it “dead on arrival” and a “legislative burning cross.””
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So looks like Trump might be off the hook. Will be interesting to see whether the White House pushes forward or retreats with the backlash from the right.-
Leftists kicking and screaming about the channels for future Democratic voters being constricted.
Traitors trying to elect a new people.
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It looks like now the push back is on the legal immigration restrictions, but that there might be a bipartisan agreement on some amount of wall funding in exchange for DACA citizenship.
The question is whether Trump would really go to bat for any Senate deal, expending political capital and “taking the heat” as he claimed he would. If he does that, he could push reluctant House members to yes by providing the political cover of “this is what the President wants”.
If no, then it’s doubtful that Paul Ryan is even willing to bring it to the floor. (2013 all over again)
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[url=https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/daca-bipartisan-deal-problem-solvers/index.html]
[h1]Bipartisan House group unveils new DACA proposal[/url][/h1]The Problem Solvers proposal resembles an offer from a bipartisan Senate group led by Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, and Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, which was [link=http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/daca-deal-obstacles-flake-white-house/index.html]rejected[/link] by Trump and has been declared dead in the Senate by GOP leadership.
In the deal, qualifying young undocumented immigrants would have a 10- to 12-year pathway to citizenship, provided they have a clean criminal record and have paid taxes.
The border security piece of the deal would appropriate the President’s request for this coming fiscal year: $1.6 billion for physical barriers, such as wall and fencing, and $1.1 billion for technology and other measures. It would also appropriate money for drug screening, border access roads and personnel and authorize a study on adding fees to related activities — like crossing the border — that can then be spent on border security.
To answer the other two “pillars” of what the White House has demanded, ending the diversity lottery and curtailing family migration, the bill would eliminate the diversity visa but create a new merit-based visa for underrepresented countries with education, work and language requirements.
Half of the visas would also go initially toward allowing recipients of Temporary Protected Status to stay in the US after the Trump administration ended their protections.[/QUOTE]Also, DACA kids wouldn’t be allowed to sponsor their own parents once gaining citizenship.
Probably DOA in the House…. but worth a try.
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Senate reaches bipartisan deal to legalize DACA and also provide border security.
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Looks like Trump is killing DACA….
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/as-immigration-showdown-looms-in-senate-trump-administration-is-doing-everything-in-our-power-to-stop-bipartisan-plan-official-says/2018/02/15/e0cff9d0-1260-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_immigration721pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.1c38aa90b37f]White House issues veto threat on Senates emerging bipartisan immigration plan, potentially dooming effort to protect dreamers[/url]
The White House on Thursday issued a veto threat against a bipartisan immigration plan in the Senate that was emerging as the best hope for a legislative deal, likely dooming congressional attempts to protect younger undocumented immigrants known as dreamers from possible deportation.
Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement that the administration strongly opposes the proposal unveiled a day earlier whose sponsors sought to incorporate elements of Trumps immigration framework to gain his support. However, the legislative proposal to be offered as an amendment Thursday during a round of immigration votes in the Senate differed from that framework in some key areas.
The plan from the self-anointed Common Sense Coalition would make immigration policy worse by weakening border security, Sanders said. If the plan reached Trumps desk, his advisers would recommend he veto it, she added.
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[link=https://www.axios.com/trump-veto-threat-bipartisan-immigration-bill-409f7d34-5a36-48d2-9ae1-f0939b0fb218.html]Jonathan Swan[/link]: This is a big deal. Veto threats are rare at this stage of the legislative process.
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I guess that compromise he talked about relating to immigration during the SOTU must be out the door.
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Was there a belief that he really was interested in a DACA deal? Bridges for sale! Cheap!
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The plan does not adequately protect American interests. It must be vetoed. No more ceding of ground to the treasonous Left and the would-be invaders.
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We are the invaders. Ask any Native American.
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Quote from Frumious
We are the invaders. Ask any Native American.
The American Indians had the right to resist the land’s colonization by Europeans (though not in the barbaric way in which they went about it). We have the same right to fight this invasion.
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^ They don’t understand logic or history.
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“We have the same right to fight this invasion.” Ah yes what an invasion. Nothing but rhetoric and sensationalism.
“No one is an “original” anything.” Well I guess the Paleo-Eskimo peoples were probably the original inhabitants of the continent but I’m not sure they’re relevant to current immigration.
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^ They don’t understand logic or history.
No one is an “original” anything.
Actually we are all originally Africans.
That is the anthropological (anthropoLOGICal has LOGIC in the word) actual history.
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The plan does not adequately protect American interests. It must be vetoed. No more ceding of ground to the treasonous Left and the would-be invaders.
Short sightedness. He’s gonna shoot his own foot when GDP stops growing and he’s not meeting the goals to pay for his tax cuts, spending, etc… Keeping those brown people out though. MAGA.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-administration-assault-on-bipartisan-immigration-plan-ensured-its-demise/2018/02/17/ad1661f4-133e-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_immigration7pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7477c72d0075]Washington Post[/link]: [b]Inside Trump’s effort to kill the immigration compromise[/b]
The Trump administrations extraordinary 11th-hour strategy to sabotage the bill showed how, after weeks of intense bipartisan negotiations on Capitol Hill, it was the White House that emerged as a key obstacle preventing a deal to help the dreamers.
The episode reflected President Trumps inability or lack of desire to cut a deal with his adversaries even when doing so could have yielded a signature domestic policy achievement and delivered the U.S.-Mexico border wall he repeatedly promised during the campaign.
Along the way, Trump demonstrated the sort of unpredictable behavior that has come to define his topsy-turvy tenure, frequently sending mixed signals that kept leaders in both parties guessing.
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[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/supreme-court-won-t-hear-daca-case-n851186]https://www.nbcnews.com/p…hear-daca-case-n851186[/link]
[h1]In blow to Trump, Supreme Court wont hear appeal of DACA ruling[/h1]
“The U.S. Supreme Court declined Monday to hear the Trump administration’s appeal of a federal judge’s ruling that requires the government to keep the [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-reform/what-daca-here-s-what-you-need-know-about-program-n798761]Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program[/link] going.
Under a lower court order that remains in effect, the [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/government-resume-processing-daca-renewals-citing-judge-s-ruling-n837566]Department of Homeland Security must continue to accept applications to renew DACA status from the roughly 700,000 young people[/link], known as Dreamers, who are currently enrolled. The administration’s deadline of March 5, when it intended to shut the program down, is now largely meaningless.”
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Figler/cigar
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Perfect. Just vague enough to avoid violating the AM ToS with an overt racist comment advocating political violence, but still disgustingly threatening enough to keep the alt-right pepe street cred.
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I dunno. Referring to nooses is pretty low. Passive-aggressive violence. & considering Jan’s past comments, too typical with his hateful opinions.
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Internet tough guys. It’s easy to write something when you can hide behind on your handle.
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I’ve said the same quite publicly. And there’s nothing racial about it.
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Not violating the AM ToS, pretty high on the PoS scale.
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Thank you.
Depending on the source, an attempted insult can have the inadvertent effect of strengthening one’s moral conviction.-
There is nothing moral about your convictions.
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Your prioritization of illegal aliens over Americans is repugnant.
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It’s not prioritization, it’s empathy. You should try it some time. Your nationalistic and xenophobic views belong in the first part of the 20th century. The world has left you behind, no matter how loud you scream.
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Wow, 3+ cliches in succession. Impressive work.
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Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous liberal (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release. Getting more dangerous. Caravans coming. Republicans must go to Nuclear Option to pass tough laws NOW. NO MORE DACA DEAL!
~Trump twitter on Easter Sunday, April 1, 2018
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SNL: [i]The Game of Life, DACA Edition[/i]
[link]https://youtu.be/1TWo74L8EiY[/link]
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and yet another thing that must be burning Trump’s britches.
“The Supreme Court said Tuesday that part of a federal law that makes it easier to deport immigrants who have been convicted of crimes is too vague to be enforced.
The court’s 5-4 decision an unusual alignment in which new Justice [i][b]Neil Gorsuch[/b][/i] joined the four liberal justices concerns a catchall provision of immigration law that defines what makes a crime violent.”
[link=http://www.businessinsider.com/gorsuch-supreme-court-votes-immigration-case-2018-4]http://www.businessinside…mmigration-case-2018-4[/link]
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What will SCOTUS decide. Does Trump have the power in the Constitution to ban immigration based on nationality and religion, etc? Or is that the sole right of Congress and Trump overstepped his rights violating the Constitution?
The legal question before the court is this: Does a president have the authority to ban immigration and travel, based on nationality, in ways that contradict limits set by Congress?
[b]The framers and ratifiers of the Constitution have answered that question. They revolted against the autocracy of a king whose offenses, as cataloged in the Declaration of Independence, [i]included restricting migrations and obstructing the laws for [link=http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/archives/documents/frame_ih198037.htm]naturalization of foreigners[/link].[/i][/b][i] This mattered because, [/i][b]as James Madison told the Constitutional Convention, [i]America was indebted to emigration for her settlement and prosperity.[/i][/b] Accordingly, Article I of the Constitution gives the power over immigration and travel to America by foreigners to Congress, not to the president.
President Trumps unilateral executive order restricting travel from seven nations, five of them predominantly Muslim, shows how far the presidency has strayed from the role the founders envisioned. One reason is that Congress is deliberative and often divided, while presidents frequently act decisively. Over time, presidents have assumed more and more unilateral power over immigration and travel by foreigners.
This is part of a larger pattern, and a larger problem. Presidents have asserted unilateral authority over many other areas where Article I also expressly gave the power to Congress including tariffs, commerce and starting wars. Some in Congress may be quietly contented with this pattern. The more presidents do unilaterally, the fewer votes that members of Congress need to cast that may be fodder for political opposition.
It isnt, though, the system our Constitution established. And it is the Supreme Courts responsibility to uphold that system.
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[b]Feferal Judge rules Trump administration must continue DACA, including new applicants[/b]
A federal judge in Washington on Tuesday delivered the toughest blow yet to the Trump administrations efforts to end deportation protections for undocumented immigrants known as dreamers, ordering the administration to continue the Obama-era program and for the first time to accept new applicants, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/2018/04/24/cfb41578-4816-11e8-8b5a-3b1697adcc2a_story.html?utm_term=.8f8c836d27ec]Washington Post[/link] reports.-
Can Trump just issue an EO to kill DACA?
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He already did. Thats what is being overturned in court
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I guess maybe I’m a little lost in the shuffle but I thought the challenge was about who can come into the country. Like the Muslim ban. I guess maybe I don’t understand how it can be treated as a law if it was just an EO from Obama. Right or wrong it kind of makes sense to me that he should be able to repeal DACA.
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I guess maybe I’m a little lost in the shuffle but I thought the challenge was about who can come into the country. Like the Muslim ban. I guess maybe I don’t understand how it can be treated as a law if it was just an EO from Obama. Right or wrong it kind of makes sense to me that he should be able to repeal DACA.
In the end, Trump may be legally successful in repealing DACA.
But it isn’t necessarily true that if one Executive Order is legal then its repeal must also be lawful. The [i]reasons[/i] for the orders and repeal can matter to the courts.
In the case of the Trump administration the ruling against their ending of DACA have been mostly due to sloppy/incomplete legal briefs.
They have held that DACA is unconstitutional but have not provided a detailed rationale for that opinion. They have also claimed that the courts have no standing to rule on Trump’s executive orders orders at all (There are Stephen Miller’s fingerprints all over that).
Finally, if the reasoning behind an order is in violation of the Constitution, then it might not be legal to repeal. For instance, if the reasons were shown to be racial animus based on race or national original, then the courts might find that the reasoning violated constitutional protections.
Like I said, there’s a decent chance Trump wins in the end (or a DACA deal is reached before the courts make a final decision). The judge gave the administration 90 days to come back with a better set of justifications. We’ll have to see how that goes.
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[b]House GOP moderates try to force a vote to make DACA permanent, defying Paul Ryan[/b]
House GOP moderates are defying Speaker Paul Ryan and trying to force a vote codifying Obama-era protections for young undocumented immigrants on the House floor, [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/daca-congress-vote-republicans-577301]Politico[/link] reports.
Reps. Carlos Curbelo of Florida,Will Hurd of Texas, and Jeff Denham and David Valadao of California filed a discharge petition Wednesday that would trigger a series of votes on different immigration bills if 218 members sign on. If every Democrat supports the idea, which sources said is likely, 20 Republicans would have to break ranks and join them to trigger the votes.
Two sources intimately involved in the effort say at least 15 Republicans are ready to join.
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[b]Concerns grow over House GOP splinter on DACA[/b][link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2018/05/10/sheldon-adelson-clf-donation-268882]Playbook[/link]: Republican leaders are becoming very concerned about the new immigration discharge petition, which would force a vote on a package of five bills in the coming weeks. The GOP has put off the immigration issue for some time, because of divisions in their ranks. Now they need just eight more Republicans to sign on and every Democrat to force the issue immediately.
Can House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy and/or Speaker Paul Ryan cut a deal to convince people to not sign on? Can they convince Democrats theyll get a better deal if they dont join in? Unlikely. Theres not been an immigration deal in the last two years. Lawmakers see Ryan and McCarthys promises as hollow.
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Trump erupts in a 30 min tirade against Homeland Security secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other Cabinet members over the alleged failure to make progress towards sealing the countrys borders.
Trumps tirade at Nielsen is a reminder that he is the real obstacle to any deal protecting the dreamers. It reminds us of Trumps bottomless irrationality on this issue: Border crossings have been [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/04/05/why-its-time-to-really-worry-about-trump-in-two-charts/]at historic lows[/link], but #Foxlandia keeps telling him the border is overrun by invading dark hordes, which makes it true. He is still demanding his wall, but even when that has been offered in exchange for protecting the dreamers, he has rejected it. Yet he raged at Nielsen over the lack of movement on the wall, showing himself unable to comprehend that his own deeply unreasonable demands which many Republicans have rejected are the real obstacle to getting it built as part of a dreamer deal.
Indeed, it has become undeniable that Trumps overriding goal on immigration is to reduce the number of immigrants in the United States to the greatest degree possible. As [link=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/trump-has-never-been-more-racist-corrupt-or-belligerent.html]Eric Levitz notes[/link], Trump moved to end temporary protected status for various groups with no credible rationale for doing so and even though U.S. diplomats have [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-embassy-cables-warned-against-expelling-300000-immigrants-trump-officials-did-it-anyway/2018/05/08/065e5702-4fe5-11e8-b966-bfb0da2dad62_story.html?utm_term=.7d38ca9889f7]warned[/link] that it is dangerously bad policy. And [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/12/trump-just-denied-his-shithole-comment-in-the-process-he-confirmed-the-worst/?utm_term=.9c6b2f610e6a]as Trumps shithole countries comment confirmed, his main driving impulse[/link] on immigration is white nationalism rolling back the current racial and ethnic mix of the country at all costs and this is [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/12/trump-just-denied-his-shithole-comment-in-the-process-he-confirmed-the-worst/?utm_term=.9c6b2f610e6a]shaping policy[/link].
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/us/politics/trump-homeland-security-secretary-resign.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…-secretary-resign.html[/link]Mr. Trumps anger about immigration has grown in recent weeks, according to several officials. He repeatedly claimed credit for the fact that during his first year in office, illegal border crossings dropped to their lowest levels in decades. But this year, they have risen again, robbing him of one of his favorite talking points.
Mr. Trump has clashed with Ms. Nielsen for weeks about his belief that more should be done to secure the border. In early April, the president repeatedly expressed frustration with Ms. Nielsen that her department was not doing enough to close loopholes that were allowing illegal immigrants into the country, according to one official familiar with those discussions.
One persistent issue has been Mr. Trumps belief that Ms. Nielsen and other officials in the department were resisting his direction that [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/immigrant-children-separation-ice.html]parents be separated from their children[/link] when families cross illegally into the United States, several officials said. The president and his aides in the White House had been pushing a family separation policy for weeks as a way of deterring families from trying to cross the border illegally.
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[link=http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/390052-feinstein-plans-bill-to-halt-separation-of-families-at-the-border]http://thehill.com/homene…families-at-the-border[/link]]Feinstein to propose bill to end family separation at the border[/url]
Good politics. Kids and families are the most sympathetic of the groups involved.
It’s a nice counter to allowing Trump and the hard-righters to try to make all immigrants into MS13.
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Making Sophie’s Choice into American immigration policy.
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“Attorney General Jeff Sessions ruled that victims of domestic abuse and gang violence generally will not qualify for asylum under federal law, a decision that advocates say could endanger tens of thousands of foreign nationals seeking refuge in the United States.”
So what is grounds for seeking asylum? Don’t people show up and go before a judge who determines the law and not Jeff Sessions?
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