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Supreme Court Vacancy 2020 after death of RBG
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Exactly right, OC.
The wise thing to do would be for a bipartisan constitutional amendment capping the number of justices at 9.
But, wisdom is in short supply.
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Ginsburg on court packing to NPR last year:
Ginsburg bluntly told NPR that Roosevelt’s attempt at Supreme Court reform “was a bad idea.”
I have heard that there are some people on the Democratic side who would like to increase the number of judges. I think that was a bad idea when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt tried to pack the court. His plan was for every justice who stays on the court past the age of 70, the president would have the authority to nominate another justice. If that plan had been effective, the court’s number would have swelled immediately from nine to 15, and the president would have six appointments to make.
You mention before the quote of appearing partisan. Well, if anything would make the court appear partisan then it would be that, one side saying, “When we’re in power we’re going to enlarge the number of judges so we’ll have more people who will vote the way we want them to.”
“So, I am not at all in-favor of that solution to what I see is a temporary situation,” Ginsburg added.
Neat.
Anyway, carry on Democrats. Pleeeease keep talking.
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To 11 given all the recent republican dishonesty of gerrymandering and Not giving Obama the opportunity to nominate a candidate is not packing the courtIts leveling the playing field
You cant get to a point where 40% of the country controls 60%
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Yeah the Kavanaugh nomination so much hurt the democrats that they came out in droves in the midterms to not only flip the host but cast the most votes ever in a midterm
If you call that a Republican win then we have to disagree
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So you support the behavior of the Dems toward Kavanaugh? They should do that again and to every Rep nominee?
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Kavanaugh got his hearing and confirmation, something Merrick did not even get.
The real question is do you support holding up every Democratic nomination by Republicans until a Republican president sits in the office? Should Merrick’s treatment happen to every Democratic nominee?
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Kavanaugh got his hearing and confirmation, something Merrick did not even get.
The real question is do you support holding up every Democratic nomination by Republicans until a Republican president sits in the office? Should Merrick’s treatment happen to every Democratic nominee?
If the President and Senate are different parties, they can do whatever they want. That’s how it goes. That’s not how it was when Garland was picked.
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If the President and Senate are different parties, they can do whatever they want. That’s how it goes. That’s not how it was when Garland was picked.
Which exactly underscores in [b]BOLD[/b] my above post regarding term limits for Justices where a Republican Senate would hold up any and all Democratic nominees until a Republican POTUS based on the base argument that the Republican Senate has the power, therefore anything goes. Who needs justification? It’s just empty window dressing.
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My question
I keep seeing The rant of Do it
Just Do it
Do what exactly?
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Honestly
50-60 people who actually read these forums arent going to do much of anything
Republicans hold all the cards as far as the Supreme Court vacancy and they are going to play them
But that wont last much longer
Not really much to do until then
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Actually Cubs post begs the question, because the Senate can do it, they can do it. So should the normal thing be that if the Senate is of the opposite Party as the president, that president should never expect the Senate to consider any nominees for judges?
That is the norm as of now. And let’s extend that to all Federal judge appointments. Why not any post requiring Senate confirmation?
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Yes, Chiro…
Dems can’t do anything unless/until they take power over the whole of government.
That might be in Jan 2021, it might not.
A few months ago I would have told that Americans wouldn’t get behind expanding statehood and the courts to re-balance away from GOP minority rule. (Ps — note to dems:*do not* phrase it as “court packing” that goes over just as sh*ttily as “defund the police” for law enforcement reform). But now I think there is a good chance that these more radical solutions gain broad support in the mainstream.
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pps – Romney just said he will vote to move the nomination. So it’s pretty much a done deal.
It’s all over but the shouting.
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To paraphrase Kavanaugh & McConnell, “An eye for an eye.”
Putin’s interference isn’t necessary, we are dismantling all the rules for our democracy on our own. All that matters is raw power and the exercise of that raw power.-
Dems started it. Repubs are continuing it. Will likely get worse before it gets better.
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Dems started it. Repubs are continuing it. Will likely get worse before it gets better.
I would take issue with your clarity on who started it. It has been ongoing … I would lay the largest part of the blame at the feet of Newt Gringrich. Like the Hatfields and McCoys, it makes people on each side feel good to blame the other for the initiating event.
. ..but the chicken/egg doesn’t really matter.
It will certainly get worse before it gets better. Either there will be a political realignment that re-balances our polarization, a mass migration of blue people into red states that makes stuff purple again, a galvanizing massive crisis, etc….
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Dems started it. Repubs are continuing it. Will likely get worse before it gets better.
I would take issue with your clarity on who started it. It has been ongoing … I would lay the largest part of the blame at the feet of Newt Gringrich. Like the Hatfields and McCoys, it makes people on each side feel good to blame the other for the initiating event.
. ..but the chicken/egg doesn’t really matter.
It will certainly get worse before it gets better. Either there will be a political realignment that re-balances our polarization, a mass migration of blue people into red states that makes stuff purple again, a galvanizing massive crisis, etc….
But for at least another generation I figure we are stuck with this escalation.
By “starting it”, I meant being the first to 1. eliminate the filibuster for judicial appointments and 2. being the only party that has grilled and slandered supreme court nominees/been basically 100% unwilling to vote for the other party’s choice.
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I figured Romney would back a hearing. He’s spiney enough to vote to impeach but still has go full on Jell-O to get the Utes a bible thumper SCOTUS.
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Oh it is most certainly going to get worse
You can bank on that
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Dems started it. Repubs are continuing it. Will likely get worse before it gets better.
Explain & defend that statement.
When was the last time Democrats blocked even from consideration a Republican nominee?
Bush II? Anyone?
How about Bush I? Anyone?
Reagan? Anyone?
How about the last time a nominee was not confirmed due to Democratic opposition?
Bush II? Anyone?
Bush I? Anyone?
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/22/romney-supports-holding-a-vote-on-next-supreme-court-nominee-419898]https://www.politico.com/…e-court-nominee-419898[/link]
Yup Sens. Romney and Gardner on board for approving President Trumps pick. 51 Senators now on board (Sen. Manchin was in the wings).
Romney is not saying that he wants to approve the pick. He is saying that there should be an up or down vote.
And that’s exactly what Merrick Garland should have gotten. Hearings, and a vote, would have been perfectly acceptable for the senate to vote him down and push the decision into the next term that way. Just refusing to act was a great disservice to the country.-
When Democrats have power, its Obama saying Elections have consequences and every Democrat loving it as they cram progressive legislation down everywhere.
When Democrats lose elections and legislation or nominees they dislike are put forward by the party in power, its how could you do this, we will riot and destroy the system if we dont get our way.
We get it. Democrats only care about civility and so on when theyre in charge. This only works one way. The GOP and its base dont care anymore.-
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When Democrats have power, its Obama saying Elections have consequences and every Democrat loving it as they cram progressive legislation down everywhere.
When Democrats lose elections and legislation or nominees they dislike are put forward by the party in power, its how could you do this, we will riot and destroy the system if we dont get our way.
We get it. Democrats only care about civility and so on when theyre in charge. This only works one way. The GOP and its base dont care anymore.
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You mean like how Obamacare passed with even 39 democrats voting no? Yeah, that was super cool.
Ummm, the votes in favor were more than opposed? Isn’t that the way it should go?
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I’m dergon and I approve this message — (as it hints at what I think is coming down the road soon)
[h2][link=https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/22/its-mitch-mcconnells-america/]Its Mitch McConnells America[/link][/h2] ((bolding mine))
We dont yet know the outcome of the fight to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but we can confidently say this: no other politician in modern American history has so clearly bent the arc of this nation in his direction more than Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Not Bill Clinton. Not George W. Bush. Not Barack Obama. Not Donald Trump.
Each of these political leaders legacies will have parts undone by future Congresses and presidents. Their accomplishments and visions for American governance will generally erode with the passage of time.
But Mitch McConnells imprint on history will outlast them all. His legacy is a bell that can never truly be unrung.
The way McConnell did it is the political story of my lifetimeone I have worked diligently to document, to explain, and to urge action against.
McConnell understood that voters care more about their political power than other pocketbook or moral considerations, no matter what pollsters or editorial writers might assert to the contrary.
McConnell understood that having few core political beliefs gives you a significant advantage over opponents in elections and legislative negotiations.
McConnell understood that the only voters who truly matter are primary voters, and with their electoral backing, you can push the greater electorate to tolerate and accept nearly anything.
Most importantly, [b]McConnell realized thatas a Republicanhe is the inheritor to a series of asymmetries as old as the nation itselfthe courts, the Electoral College, the Senates geographic bias, a pay-to-play lobbying symbiosis, and countless othersthat allow him to rule without ever having to secure a lasting popular majority.[/b]
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For more than a decade, the rest of the political spectrum has sought ways to talk around these problems rather than confront them. And at each step, McConnell merely nodded his head at the words, strolled back to the Senate floor, and continued the process of consolidating power in his trust.
The results speak for themselves. He has centralized command, kept dominant coalitions intact, confirmed (and blocked) judges, advanced Republican policy priorities, routed red-state Democrats from the Senate, and blocked any legislative effort (no matter how worthy) that might cost him a milligram of power.
Stunningly, as the nations anger has boiled over at this arrangement, he has channeled that animosity away from himself and placed it at the feet of other members of Congress, so many of who have been reduced to mere figureheads in their ability to meet their constituents demands of government.
In doing so, [b]McConnell has relied on one grand bluff: that Senate Democrats would refuse to correct these asymmetries through extraordinary assertions of majority powerand when faced with the opportunitywould instead continue to submit to minority rule. To McConnells credit, he hasnt been wrong to date about which side Senate Democrats would ultimately choose.[/b]
[b]Its Mitch McConnells America. And we will be living in it for as long as the great majority of American voters and their elected representatives decide to tolerate it, rather than take the historic steps necessary to correct it.[/b]
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I remember when Karl Rove was the dark puppetmaster who controlled everything.
Then it was the ‘Koch Brothers’.
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It is and has always been George Soros, the former Jewish Nazi who swore to destroy the US, the one behind ANTIFA & BLM, the one who rules them all behind the scenes, the original Keyser Söze.
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GOP leaders knows their days are numbered over the coming decades. Inevitable and irreversible demographic changes and population shifts to urban and suburban regions over the coming decades will continue to erode the GOP voter base and important GOP stronghold areas of the country will turn blue. When Texas turns blue in the next 10 years or so it will be game over for GOP. They are aware of this and thus doing everything they can to cement their influence for as long as possible – can’t blame them at all as the party is already on borrowed time.
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The above kind of thinking only makes sense to white people who think other people cant read a book.
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Also has been said for decades.
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The above kind of thinking only makes sense to white people who think other people cant read a book.
Yeah, the ‘you aint black’ if you even question whether putting your checkmark next to the ‘D’ box is the right decision.-
All White non college educated party needs to change or else it will be minimal importance
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Unless the contest is for grand dragon
Just sayin
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All White non college educated party needs to change or else it will be minimal importance
Not that hard to re-brand a party. Ask someone today, they won’t even know the racist history of the democratic party and the union movement.
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Yes 60
Years ago the southern racist shifted to the Republican PartyIn 2080 the republicans will be rebranded
Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha
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Trump lost popular vote by millions, only in office due to ridiculous archaic electoral college.
SCOTUS only to be stacked with conservative due to McConnell’s hypocrisy and slime ball moves.
Texas only red state due to gerrymandering.
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The electoral college vs popular vote thing is hilarious. Its like saying that football team with the most yardage should win the game. No…its about scoring touchdowns.
If the election were about securing the popular vote, then the idea would be to simply campaign in LA, Chicago, Houston, NYC and nowhere else.
But thats not how the rules of the game were written.
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The electoral college vs popular vote thing is hilarious. Its like saying that football team with the most yardage should win the game.
No, it is saying the person who get more votes in an election should win. Also known as common sense.
Why should location matter? So if I move from NYC to some dump town in Iowa my vote for President should effectively count more? Trump is not a legit president and it shows.
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The electoral college vs popular vote thing is hilarious. Its like saying that football team with the most yardage should win the game.
No, it is saying the person who get more votes in an election should win. Also known as common sense.
Why should location matter? So if I move from NYC to some dump town in Iowa my vote for President should effectively count more? Ridiculous point of view.
This has been answered 1000x. We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a Republic of states that came together to form a union. The Electoral college was a compromise for getting these states to come together. Fairness is in the eye of the party not in power. If we changed it, would be fair that all elections were decided by the top 20 metro areas? Would you like to have 10 candidates from all sorts of parties and election winners with 15-20% of the vote total?-
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The electoral college vs popular vote thing is hilarious. Its like saying that football team with the most yardage should win the game.
No, it is saying the person who get more votes in an election should win. Also known as common sense.
Why should location matter? So if I move from NYC to some dump town in Iowa my vote for President should effectively count more? Ridiculous point of view.
This has been answered 1000x. We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a Republic of states that came together to form a union. The Electoral college was a compromise for getting these states to come together. Fairness is in the eye of the party not in power. If we changed it, would be fair that all elections were decided by the top 20 metro areas? Would you like to have 10 candidates from all sorts of parties and election winners with 15-20% of the vote total?
Again, it is an archaic and outdated system that is comical to continue to use in modern day America. The GOP defends it simple because it benefits them for the time being. I’d like to see Iowa leave the union today because we abolish the electoral college and the popular vote winner becomes President, what an absurd point. GOP talking points must be written by 3rd graders and make a lot of sense to their largely uneducated supporters. -
So since it doesnt favor your party of choice today its outdated and archaic?
You want to live in a country where 20 metro areas decide the Presidency and the top vote getter gets 15-20% of the vote?
Does that sound like something fair and beneficial?
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All White non college educated party needs to change or else it will be minimal importance
Not that hard to re-brand a party. Ask someone today, they won’t even know the racist history of the democratic party and the union movement.
Not much of a contest. That applies to over 20 questions I could ask off the top of my head about a multitude of subjects. EZ win.
Its why FOX & its ilk is able to pass off alternate facts so successfully.
As for racism and the Democratic Party history, that crown belongs to the Republican Party now since Johnsons Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts & Nixons Southern Strategy in the 1960s. & lets not forget Lee Atwaters infamous 1981 interview.
Too many people dont know US History outside of a sterilized outline of history.
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Serious question. Wouldn’t it be better if we didn’t talk about race at all and never even mentioned a person’s skin pigmentation? Why continue to separate people into identity groups?
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Pretend not to see discrimination & violence against nonwhite people?
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Pretend not to see discrimination & violence against nonwhite people?
why.
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If one goes strictly by popular vote, why would states with smaller populations stay in the Union?
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CF,
You see racial conflict as a bug. The Democrats see it as a feature, a way of more easily controlling people.
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CF,
You see racial conflict as a bug. The Democrats see it as a feature, a way of more easily controlling people.
So true, and I was recently told that I’m racist for treating all people the same so that was cool. I’m supposed to be anti-racist now and treat non-white people special – also known as being racist. Clear as mud.
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If a minority of citizens are able to exert political influence over the majority, consistently and over an extended period of time, that majority is going to come to see the system as intrinsically unfair and in need of reform and/or radical transformation.
I think we are now at the point. A Republican has only won the popular vote for president once since 1990. The GOP can hold a majority in the Senate while only representing a third of the nation’s population. (And the GOP only has to win 45% of the vote in order to hold the House due to the gerrymander)
Yet soon 6 of the 9 Supreme Court appointments will have been put on the court by the GOP.
Is it legal? Yes. Is it constitutional? Yes.
Is a majority of the American population close to being willing to blow it up because of the intrinsic structural imbalance that favors rural conservatives? Yes.
I am generally an optimist who believes the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice. But I am now to the point where I am willing to tolerate a greater degree of social unrest and instability in the short term in order to support the necessary restructuring that allows the majority of citizens to be fairly represented in our democracy over the long term.
Bring on expansion of the judiciary. Bring on statehood for Puerto Rico and Washington, DC.
First step … Win.
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Is called American Apartheid and it wont last too long
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Enh. The Democrats did this silliness in 2013 when they killed the Senate filibuster on judicial nominees.
That worked out well. Pretty much the genesis of everything Dergon is upset about.
Maybe instead of changing the rules and having them bite you in the keister afterward, one should put forth policies and ideas that are popular enough to stand on their own merits.
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Enh. The Democrats did this silliness in 2013 when they killed the Senate filibuster on judicial nominees.
That worked out well. Pretty much the genesis of everything Dergon is upset about.
Maybe instead of changing the rules and having them bite you in the keister afterward, one should put forth policies and ideas that are popular enough to stand on their own merits.
What a novel concept ! Get elected and shape policy using the legislative mechanisms spelled out in the constitution. Like passing a healthcare law with the required majority rather than re-defining it as a ‘tax measure’ so you can sneak it in without majority support. Revolutionary !
In related news, dems just spent the last week doing their level best to pizz off anyone tied to the Ag economy by holding up funding for the commodities credit corporation. If there is a chance they can poke they eye of rural americans, they take full advantage of it. And come november, they are suprised if rural state voters dont endorse their agenda. It’s a mystery.
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If a minority of citizens are able to exert political influence over the majority, consistently and over an extended period of time, that majority is going to come to see the system as intrinsically unfair and in need of reform and/or radical transformation.
I think we are now at the point. A Republican has only won the popular vote for president once since 1990. The GOP can hold a majority in the Senate while only representing a third of the nation’s population. (And the GOP only has to win 45% of the vote in order to hold the House due to the gerrymander)
Yet soon 6 of the 9 Supreme Court appointments will have been put on the court by the GOP.
Is it legal? Yes. Is it constitutional? Yes.
Is a majority of the American population close to being willing to blow it up because of the intrinsic structural imbalance that favors rural conservatives? Yes.
I am generally an optimist who believes the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice. But I am now to the point where I am willing to tolerate a greater degree of social unrest and instability in the short term in order to support the necessary restructuring that allows the majority of citizens to be fairly represented in our democracy over the long term.
Bring on expansion of the judiciary. Bring on statehood for Puerto Rico and Washington, DC.
First step … Win.
I appreciate the seriousness and reasoned opinions of this post and I understand where you’re coming from and why others would feel the way you do. I have some questions for you as well.
What constitutes an extended period of time for you and the public? Parties change. Dems held the house from 1933-1995 except for 2 short 2 year period. Did we need to change the rules then?
If we removed the Electoral College, then it would be even less of a minority that would get a say in each election. Anyone who could get signatures could run and the two party system would be gone. You would see Presidential winners with 10/20/30% of the vote total. You would see winners that only won the top metro areas and nothing else. You would rarely see any winner than even got the vote % Trump did. Also, Kerry almost won the Presidency over Bush without the popular vote – again, these things change over time.
Puerto Rico should be allowed to decide what they want to do and we should give them stipulations before they can join if they choose to do so. Do you want to take on a 2.5 million person welfare state right now?
DC statehood is just nakedly partisan. We are supposed to have a non-biased federal district. DC has become a nightmare of 95% one-party rule. If those citizens want to be part of a state then they can have DC join Maryland or VA. Would that be acceptable to you?
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I’d be fine with Puerto Rico being the 51st state. They are citizens already. Might as well have one more welfare to join the ranks of places like Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana and the other GOP welfare states. And who knows. If it gets fixed up maybe it will a thriving tourist destination and make bank. Catalina wine mixer.
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DC is larger than several other states population wise
To not have senate representation is unfair
Remember taxation without representation
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The naked partisanship is a feature, not a bug.
Sure, I expect the political argument by Dems around DC statehood to be focused on representation to build public support … but the point is to get 2 more D senators in Congress.
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With the massive demographic changes, I don’t think the population will tolerate much longer.
If Biden wins the Presidency and Dems take the senate that will cause a big exhale and probably let some pressure off of the radical movement.
If Trump wins a second term, particularly while losing the popular vote or by using the conservative judiciary in a way that majorities of people feel is unfair or anti-democratic to block vote counting, I expect it to explode.
If Biden wins the Presidency and the GOP continues to hold the senate it will continue to simmer in a very ugly way as he is left with only EOs as options that will be struck by now conservative courts, leading more and more people to believe that their democracy is broken and that change is impossible without extreme measures.
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So just have DC join Maryland. Problem solved.
Also, as Hispanics become a larger % of the population, they will diversify more in their voting like whites do and could even shift to Republicans over the next 20-30 years. You can’t count on “demographics” to shift to Dems and use that as a reason to change the system.
Let’s face it, you and the rest are just mad right now. Weren’t you happy for 8 years with Obama? Heck, you had 2 years of a supermajority. Can you imagine what Republicans would do with that? They will never have that.-
Thank heavens its only rich white liberals who think Dergon does.
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If Biden wins the Presidency and the GOP continues to hold the senate it will continue to simmer in a very ugly way as he is left with only EOs as options that will be struck by now conservative courts, leading more and more people to believe that their democracy is broken and that change is impossible without extreme measures.
If the government continues as a stalemate Biden should be doing oval office addresses everyday talking about what’s going on. Bill X, Y, and Z are sitting before Putin’s Mitch. There’s a lot this going on and we hear things like the democrats in the house won’t take up the bill. Drag it all into spotlight.
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[i][b]If Biden wins the Presidency and Dems take the senate that will cause a big exhale and probably let some pressure off of the radical movement.[/b][/i]
[font=”comic sans ms,sans-serif”][size=”2″]That is laughable. To think Biden’s win would reduce the pressure of the radical left to stop looting, killing and destroying property they do not own or care who owns? Does the old white guy now have some type of superpower over the BLM and AntiFa’s? if so, it appears he has been their leader all along and that he is a closet communist.[/size][/font]
[font=”comic sans ms,sans-serif”][size=”2″]Anarchists are takers… not givers. Anarchist have no structure only random actions of self loathing. At one point in every society, there has to be order. Anarchist don’t play well with order.[/size][/font]
[font=”comic sans ms,sans-serif”][size=”2″]My fear is, you will see riots from the right that make Antifa and BLM look like Richard Simmons at a Powerlifting competition. This will be because the left has forgotten it’s original value of life, liberty and freedom. This will be the current Left’s fault and they will be the only ones to be blamed for all the destruction in our country. This is the beginning of the end to the Democratic party that my parents were apart of. It is now the American Communist Party. [/size][/font]-
So basically, Dems should win because if not there will be rioting and anarchy?
Sounds like a 5 year old not getting its way.
Let me know when the Dems mature into modern society.
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I certainly hope the election is fair and decisive
But if courts get involved and Q-Anon type conspiracy starts flying around I suspect there will be large scale unrest
Somehow claimed to make America great
Serious how great are we?
Worst time period in my lifetime by far
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As far as riots from the right?
How long are out of shape middle age white guys going to be able to fight
They will take a few shots get out of breath and climb back into their pick up trucks and quit
They arent as tough as they make out to be
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Heh. The opinions of people who never understood anything.
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Hey when I was in Afghanistan I saw 8 year old kids do more damage than a truckload of farmers
Be careful who you underestimate
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I certainly hope the election is fair and decisive
But if courts get involved and Q-Anon type conspiracy starts flying around I suspect there will be large scale unrest
Somehow claimed to make America great
Serious how great are we?
Worst time period in my lifetime by far
Kinda like Systemic Racism only started happening when Trump became President. Never… thought of… brought forward… or was ever there… when Obama was in office. Yeah, the right has Q-Anon as some kind of conspiracy theory. I agree, sounds like.. UFO stuff. However, the left has had all [b]solid[/b] leads for impeachment right? Where’s Schiffs proof?Yeah. How is the Left going to make America Greater? or… can they? I’d like to hear Joe’s detailed outline on how and what [b]HE[/b] will do and what [b]HE[/b] thinks should be done to correct the… Economy, Systemic Racism (laughable), dealing with China and Russia, Improve relations with NKorea and Iran (without paying them money… Ooops to late), in a Harris / Biden Administration. (Freudiant Slip?) don’t think so. It think it’s planned. Wait??!! is that another Q theory?
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The Left always accuses the Right of the things they are doing. The Right will be violent and riot – as the Left is currently being violent and rioting in many US cities.
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I think if trump tries to get a lot of the vote somehow discounted we are going to see large scale unrest from the left. Probably large scale rioting
I hope that doesnt happen but o can see it happening if trump tries to steal it
If trump wins outright and the votes are all fairly
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But seriously
Has anyone ever lived through a time where everyone truly honestly hates each other
Like today. Everyone gates each other.
Have you ever seen this before in your lifetime?
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But seriously
Has anyone ever lived through a time where everyone truly honestly hates each other
Like today. Everyone gates each other.
Have you ever seen this before in your lifetime?
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I would say the Civil Rights/Vietnam area was worse than now. The Civil War was worse than now.
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I would say the Civil Rights/Vietnam area was worse than now. The Civil War was worse than now.
I didn’t live through the Vietnam era (or the Civil War obviously)
But I would guess that the political polarization of the populace is at least as bad as the 60s right now. And the polarization of our elected leaders greater than at any time since the civil war.
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No one lived through the Civil War although you would not know that with the War Of Northern Aggression about the Lost Cause still a big thing to some in the South.
Who on this forum lived through the Vietnam War era?
I know you did not Cub because todays partisanship feels much more intense. However at this time we do not have National Guardsmen & police killing unarmed students like at Kent State & Jackson State, now the police kill unarmed civilians on the street with impunity. & racism was on the downturn, now its on an upturn.I agree w dergons last sentence that the politicians have become more reactionary & compromise is evil to one party.
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We were warned. Social media drives up and thrives on negativity. Couple this to tossing a large chuck of the population to the unemployment lines and ordered them to isolate from everyone so all they got is 24/7 poisonous partisan media for months and *BOOM*.
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This poison was being spread long before Corona virus pandemic & the economic downturn from it. It even existed before social media. Its been in the works since Reagan but really started to bloom with Newts total war & poisoning wells. Social media just allowed more players to indulge in more paranoia and disinformation like Pizzagate & the nonexistent huge uptick in child sex trafficking. And now Qanon.
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Cable news isnt helping
FOX MSNBC in particular there hosts hate the other side
If you cant see this you live on another planet
Look at fox Hannity and Kilmeade and the weekend guy
They get rabid in their hatred of the left and just stir up their followers
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Exactly! Social media doesn’t create negativity, it “amplifies” it by wrapping it is a nice little package that you carry with you now. To copy:
“Social media is biased, not to the Left or the Right, but downward. The relative ease of using negative emotions for the purposes of addiction and manipulation makes it relatively easier to achieve undignified results. An unfortunate combination of biology and math favors degradation of the human world. Information warfare units sway elections, hate groups recruit and nihilists get amazing bang for the buck when they try to bring society down.” –Jaron Lanier -
Murkowski backpedaling on her original no. Now a sort of maybe we will see how it goes.
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All that has happened is Trump-tards and social media / fox news has removed the veneer and exposed openly for all to see the true face of American society. It is now time for all decent and educated members of the society to try to make it better going forward for all and reject the trump-GOP and their backward, anti-science, hate-filled exclusionary vision.
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Or, the exact opposite of that.
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Murkowski backpedaling on her original no. Now a sort of maybe we will see how it goes.
She is a ‘Yes’.
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You must be living in a different planet
Turn off the perpetual ‘Two Minute Hate’ on MSNBC and your life will become much better. It’s only supposed to be 2 minutes, not 24/7. -
Yes fox is like Mr Rogers and Sesame Street nice
Oh I get it
What Planet are you on?
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Yes fox is like Mr Rogers and Sesame Street nice
Oh I get it
What Planet are you on?
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Hate? No. Ive got plans to watch the debates (if Biden shows 🙂 ) over drinks at a friends house who is a staunch Democrat.
Our conversations:
(Trash talk)
(Trash talk)
Hey what do you think of this lung mass? Oh Id PET that; way too much emphysema to biopsy.
Cool, how are the kids? New dog ok?
Great! Some trouble getting housebroken.
(Trash talk)
See you at 6 Friday?
Yup, got a new cigar to try.
Awesome. Later.
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Some of my best friends are democrats. I dont hate them. They are just a bit misguided.
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[link=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidential_election]https://en.m.wikipedia.or…_presidential_election[/link]
Should read the history of the election of 1876. One of the most contentious and controversial elections of all time. Many of todays issues have parallels here.
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The fun part about that 1876 election?
It was extremely important and controversial at the time. Almost certainly the biggest thing in the country. Weeks and weeks of fighting and intense negotiations.
Everyone involved is now dead. How many people could name Samuel Tilden or even Rutherford Hayes?
The country survived and thrives.
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Don’t quit your day job pal, you are terrible at debate.
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Don’t quit your day job pal, you are terrible at debate.
Says the man who addresses his counterparts with ‘trump-tards’ and accuses them of being racists.-
Wait, why would I quit my day job? That implies this is a source of income. I post here for fun…..are you guys getting paid to debate here????
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Wait, why would I quit my day job? That implies this is a source of income. I post here for fun…..are you guys getting paid to debate here????
Yep, straight from George Soros. The evil puppetmaster of the left.-
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Yep, straight from George Soros. The evil puppetmaster of the left.
Come on, lets complete the description, George Soros, that evil Jew Nazi puppet master, although for the initiated, that is redundant, isnt it.
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Godwin’s Law in effect!
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Frumi where can I get that Soros cash???
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Don’t quit your day job pal, you are terrible at debate.
Says the man who addresses his counterparts with ‘trump-tards’ and accuses them of being racists.
When did I accuse anyone of being racist? Hateful…. yes… but Trump-tards are hateful towards many groups. Reading comprehension not a strong suit of GOP supporters.
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I need to start posting leftist stuff then. Wheres Frumi? I need some of that sweet sweet Soros cash. I knew people couldnt be this dense for free.
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Come on, lets complete the description, George Soros, that evil Jew Nazi puppet master, although for the initiated, that is redundant, isnt it.
I didn’t realize how strong your antisemitic bend is.-
I am a Liberal therefore I support Soros, yes?
Its Republicans who believe Soros is a former Jewish Nazi behind world domination funding the antiFascist Antifa. Isnt that what you were saying about the truckloads of signs?-
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I am a Liberal therefore I support Soros, yes?
Its Republicans who believe Soros is a former Jewish Nazi behind world domination funding the antiFascist Antifa. Isnt that what you were saying about the truckloads of signs?
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Soros was brought up at least twice now & not by me first as funding rioters & other violence. I answered sarcastically with what right wingers have accused Soros of being, you cant deny that.
Whats the obsession with Soros with Republican conspiracy circles. All for the crime of supporting & advancing democracy.
[link=https://www.jta.org/2020/09/18/united-states/a-fox-show-called-out-newt-gingrich-for-his-george-soros-rhetoric-then-its-host-apologized]https://www.jta.org/2020/09/18/united-states/a-fox-show-called-out-newt-gingrich-for-his-george-soros-rhetoric-then-its-host-apologized[/link]
[link=https://www.jta.org/2020/09/08/united-states/what-you-need-to-know-about-george-soros-the-jewish-philanthropist-still-at-the-center-of-right-wing-conspiracy-theories]https://www.jta.org/2020/09/08/united-states/what-you-need-to-know-about-george-soros-the-jewish-philanthropist-still-at-the-center-of-right-wing-conspiracy-theories[/link][link=https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/right-wing-conspiracists-pull-from-old-playbook-blame-george-soros-for-riots/#5a9d04314100]https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/right-wing-conspiracists-pull-from-old-playbook-blame-george-soros-for-riots/#5a9d04314100[/link]
[link=https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/20/glenn-beck-tells-first-hand-how-high-george-soros-influence-goes-at-fox-news-after-gingrich-incident-974884]https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/20/glenn-beck-tells-first-hand-how-high-george-soros-influence-goes-at-fox-news-after-gingrich-incident-974884[/link]-
[link=https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany/]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany/[/link]
[link=https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-false-george-soros-claims-idUSKBN23P2XJ]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-false-george-soros-claims-idUSKBN23P2XJ[/link]
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I didnt know Soros was a Nazi. I changed my mind; Frumi, you can keep the dirty Soros/Nazi money.
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It is very rich that RBG’s pride and selfishness, cherished by her supporters (even while being a dead person walking), is what ended up causing them so much grief here. The only person to blame is Ginsburg herself. And she is to blame for a lot of things that have tried to mold this country into a marxist dystopia. She had a striking resemblance to Soros and Palpatine, oddly enough.
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[link=https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1309131222589865984]https://twitter.com/Kevin…us/1309131222589865984[/link]
Trump booed vigorously while viewing RBG … crowd chants “Vote Him Out!”
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he sure seemed to slink off into the corner. Direct shot landed on the ego. Queue Carley McCaninny. The were really saying Woo and Boat him out. Boaters for Trump.
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Booing at a funeral? You know the only positive effect that can have is to convince more moderates that the left is crazy.
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[link=https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1309131222589865984]https://twitter.com/Kevin…us/1309131222589865984[/link]
Trump booed vigorously while viewing RBG … crowd chants “Vote Him Out!”
Well, that was obviously a crowd there to adore her, not that suprising they lose their shit when they see him.-
DC is also 95% Democrats.
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[link=https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1309131222589865984]https://twitter.com/Kevin…us/1309131222589865984[/link]
Trump booed vigorously while viewing RBG … crowd chants “Vote Him Out!”
Well, that was obviously a crowd there to adore her, not that suprising they lose their **** when they see him.
Trump is the Hillary for the Democrats. “LOCK HIM UP!”
Trump unites people to realize incompetence and criminal behavior is not a POTUS job description. “Kiss the ring” is not about upholding the Constitution.
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Getting Biden elected is the only way to delegitimize the Supreme Court. I join Frumi/Dergon/Chiro in supporting Biden/Harris in ousting Trump.
Its unfortunate because I believe Trump has done a lot of good for the country. One of the things he has helped do is show that the justices arent judges but rather partisans in robes. They need to be deconstructed rather than viewed as important, and the Democratic plan of packing the court is the surest way of making that happen.
Go Team Biden! Go Team Democrat! Lets do this.
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I think many conservatives agree that Bader Ginsburg was a remarkable woman, even if they didnt agree with her politics. She commanded respect because she earned it.
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Americans expressing that Trump’s administration was 180 degrees opposite of the things that Ruth Bader Ginsburg stood for and fought for her entire life is patriotic, equality and freedom.
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I think Im voting for Biden.
I want power over abortion to return to the states. For decades, Republicans have been trying to get enough Supreme Court seats to overturn Roe.
However, the court is not interested in doing this, because Democrats would declare it illegitimate, and since the Court wants to preserve its authority, it wont touch the issue. No matter how many conservatives end up on the Court.
So the only thing standing between states and abortion is the Republican idea that the Court is legitimate.
Democrats already view it as a super-legislature…stack with partisans to give the opinion one wants. D views it as a tool, R as a legitimate court.
However, if D stacks the court with D partisans, it makes it obvious to R that its just a bunch of partisans in robes.
This removes the only thing on which the Courts legitimacy hangs: R belief that its a fair court.
Break the Courts legitimacy, as D plans to do, then states will decide individually for or against abortion. Saving millions of lives.
Voting for Trump preserves the Court and its legitimacy. Voting for Biden destroys it and clears the way to saving millions of children.
Its a good deal. Radgrinder endorses Biden/Harris.
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Face of Democrat party:
Rioting
Looting
Shooting law enforcement officers
Election fraud
You must be a proud grand daddy Frumi…
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NYT sienna polll today shows strong support for DC and PR statehood, 59% support / 26% oppose
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So, why not add DC to Maryland again? No one will answer me. Bueller?
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This is a no-no:
Judge Amy Coney Barrett failed to disclose to the Judiciary Committee her participation in a 2006 two-page ad in the South Bend Times calling for Roe v. Wade to be overturned and ending the barbaric legacy of the law, two Democratic committee aides confirm to NBC News
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grounds for recusal on abortion cases at the least.
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Listening to some political talk today –
Dems have 3 goals to accomplish from the Coney Barrett hearings:
1) Maintain Biden’s lead for the Presidency
2) Help re-take the Senate
3) Make the public think the entire process is anti-democratic to justify future moves like court expansion/ DC statehood etc-
Sheldon Whitehouse dropping some fire. Trump can’t even protect the Whitehouse and Lindsey Graham is doing nothing to protect the hearing. No tests, and no tracing.
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Good thing about these hearings
Its just a political infomercial that republicans are going to the your healthcare from you
They will win the win the battle but lose the war
They should have did this after the election
Be careful what you for
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The dems can not stop this
They can a) try to make the GOP pay a political price for it and b) consider retaliation if they take power
Right now they focus on a
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I think Democrats should use this as their new playbook to deal with Republicans from now on & not suffer the whines of Republicans just because they are in the minority & do not want to play together in the sandbox.
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Yes. I still think the logical move to DC and PR statehood. That’s +2-4 Dem senate seats in perpetuity.
Just with that move, in time the likely result is Dems holding the senate most of the time … they block GOP judicial nominations when R is in the WH and cram through as many as they can McConnell style when they hold both.
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Interesting thing on court packing that gets Republicans clutching their pearls. Apparently they believe packing the court is fine, if they do it, just not if Democrats do it. Some State Supreme Courts have been packed under Republican control recently when Republicans decided there were too many Democratic appointed judges on their courts.
Gee, who would have thought Republicans were 2 faced who spoke out of both sides of their mouths?
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/supreme-court-packing.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…eme-court-packing.html[/link]
In the past decade, according to a [link=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3595477]recent study[/link], legislation was introduced in at least 10 state legislatures, most controlled by Republicans, to change the size of their highest courts. In Arizona and Georgia, the proposals succeeded. The two states were controlled by Republicans, and the moves made the courts more conservative.At the very least, that practice is in tension with the current Republican claim that court packing is an affront to separation of powers and must be off the table, said [link=https://law.duke.edu/fac/levy/]Marin K. Levy[/link], a law professor at Duke and the author of the study, which was published in The William & Mary Law Review.
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Interesting thing on court packing that gets Republicans clutching their pearls. Apparently they believe packing the court is fine, if they do it, just not if Democrats do it. Some State Supreme Courts have been packed under Republican control recently when Republicans decided there were too many Democratic appointed judges on their courts.
Gee, who would have thought Republicans were 2 faced who spoke out of both sides of their mouths?
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/13/court-packing-state-supreme/]https://www.washingtonpos…packing-state-supreme/[/link][link=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/supreme-court-packing.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…eme-court-packing.html[/link]
In the past decade, according to a [link=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3595477]recent study[/link], legislation was introduced in at least 10 state legislatures, most controlled by Republicans, to change the size of their highest courts. In Arizona and Georgia, the proposals succeeded. The two states were controlled by Republicans, and the moves made the courts more conservative.At the very least, that practice is in tension with the current Republican claim that court packing is an affront to separation of powers and must be off the table, said [link=https://law.duke.edu/fac/levy/]Marin K. Levy[/link], a law professor at Duke and the author of the study, which was published in The William & Mary Law Review.
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I watched some of the hearing during lunch. They had a witness called ‘Whitehouse’ there who was sketching out an elaborate theory on how the Bilderbergs and the trilateral commission were controlling the government. It was kind of cute. Nobody asked him any questions, that was a kind of weird. Usually if they have a nut in hearing like that, they at least ask him a question or two.
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Tri-lateral Comission? The same conspiracy involving the New World Order & Bush I among others?
What used to be lunatic fringe lunacy in the 1970s is now Republican mainstream off their meds. How insane are Republicans? I keep underestimating their lunacy.
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Tri-lateral Comission? The same conspiracy involving the New World Order & Bush I among others?
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RBG gone, America wins
Trump wins again
Everyone wins.
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