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Question Trump and Fox News are they inciting Riots
Legitimate question
Is Trump and FOX News fanning the flames and making the protests worse even to the point of Riots
The guy has been president for nearly 4 years at what point does he get blamed?
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Question 1: Yes. Trump sees a race focused on urban protests and civil unrest as [b] far preferable[/b] to a race focused on the economy, Covid-19, and his leadership.
Question 2: The Trump campaign and its supporters have been very aggressive about blaming elected Democrats, “the radical Left”, and the Black Lives Matter movement as being responsible for the strife.
The polling suggests that right now that messaging is effective, with BLM support dropping among Republicans and, importantly, with independents.
Democrats would be well-served to change the focus of the national debate away from racial justice issues and toward healthcare, jobs, pandemic response, and competent leadership.
I tend to agree with Bannon… when the national debate is about race, the Dems lose.
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Democrats own the riots and looting.
Trump has approached things well.
He offered Evers in Wisconsin the National Guard. Evers refused the level of support Trump offered, then people were shot and killed. Then Evers complied, and Kenosha became quiet.
Trump withdrew federal troops from Portland per their mayors demands. Riots continued and worsened, with a killing last night. This occurred after Trump repeatedly and publicly offered federal support and the Portland mayor refused.
Prior to that, Democrats supported riots, protests, CHOP, and so on.
They can certainly attempt to blame Trump. This will lead to the trap closing in as Democrats would be questioned about Antifa and so on.
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BLM leader: I want to to put these police in a fing grave … I want to fing burn the White House down… I fk police up in New York, I fk police up in DC
[link=https://twitter.com/marinamedvin/status/1299930096472657920?s=21]https://twitter.com/marin…99930096472657920?s=21[/link]
I am not sad that a fing fascist died tonight, says a woman at the antifa gathering in downtown Portland. The crowd laughs and cheers. The ID of the deceased is not confirmed but he is believed to be a Trump & blue lives supporter.
[link=https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1299956667287703553?s=21]https://twitter.com/mrand…99956667287703553?s=21[/link]
BLM leader: “I want to to put these police in a f—ing grave ... I want to f—ing burn the White House down... I f—k police up in New York, I f—k police up in DC”pic.twitter.com/x2Defrrxar
— Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) August 30, 2020
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I think its important for democrats to continue to point out that this is Trumps America 4 yrs into it
Trump owns this and he is inciting it so how can he possibly make things better
Democrats did a good job today of making that case on the morning shows and republicans just looked like deer in the head lights
Best line of the day was Lara Trump on Chris Wallace show
Suburban women should not listen to what trump says just vote for his results
Hahahaha WOW
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Video of the death in Portland last night.
Weve got a Trumper right here!, followed by gunshots and the death of the Trump supporter.
[link=https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1299983990351257600?s=21]https://twitter.com/mrand…99983990351257600?s=21[/link]
It sounds like someone is shouting, “We got a Trumper right here” just before the shots are fired and the man is killed. https://t.co/MMCnp5iwtj
— Andy Ngo 🏳️🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) August 30, 2020
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Twits from Andy Ngo can hardly be trusted for accuracy or “journalism.”
Social media is rife with deliberate misinformation.
[link=https://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2020/08/did-you-see-photos-of-officers-supposedly-injured-last-weekend-in-nw-cities-the-facts-dont-check-out.html]https://www.oregonlive.co…ts-dont-check-out.html[/link]
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Police asking for information, witnesses and any videos what might be helpful in determining how and why the man was killed.
[link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-portland-man-fatally-shot-as-rival-protesters-clash-11598769075]https://www.wsj.com/artic…ters-clash-11598769075[/link]
Police said they opened a homicide investigation after finding a man who had been shot in the chest and killed around 9 p.m. local time.
An hour before the killing, Portland police had warned residents to stay away from downtown as a 600-vehicle caravan of Trump supporters arrived during a protest against police brutality. Police said they arrested 10 people as officers responded to scenes of fights, disturbances and collisions in the area.
Still, it wasnt known whether the killing was related to the clashes. Police said they were looking for eyewitnesses and firsthand video.
Videos showed sporadic fights, as protesters turned violent and tried to block roads and threw things at the caravan, while Trump supporters fired paintballs and used bear spray against protesters, the AP reported.
[link=https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/photos-show-frantic-but-futile-attempts-to-save-victim-of-shooting-near-portland-protests.html]https://www.oregonlive.co…portland-protests.html[/link]
Homicide detectives were looking for more evidence, acknowledging that several images and videos had been posted on social media.
It is important for detectives get a full and accurate picture of what happened before, during, and after the shooting, a police [link=https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261153]statement[/link] said. If anyone was a witness, has video, or has information about the homicide, theyre asked to contact the primary detectives.
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Funny how in this forum a few days ago several of our posters were basically saying the 2 men killed in Wisconsin got what they deserved, messed with the wrong person etc
Now a trumper gets killed in Portland and its OMG antifa is terrible
As Ive said before in a civil war the other side fights back too
Is this really what anyone wants?
Republicans and Trump and Fox News are inciting a lot of this
Blood is on their hands
Democrats need to continue to pound that message
They did a good job today of pointing out who is inciting stuff
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Bidens in a tricky spot.
Denouncing the violence means denouncing riots, BLM and Antifa. And he cant do that.
It also means denouncing Trump supporters. Think Hillarys deplorable comment, times 10.
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Who knew that being anti-Fascist was a bad thing? Is that why Trumpets hate the “organization?”
There is no such organization.
According to the [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League]Anti-Defamation League[/link] (ADL), “most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive”. The ADL criticized antifa for its use of “unacceptable tactics” such as violence and warned that such tactics provided a powerful propaganda and recruitment tool to right-wing extremists. However, the ADL stated that “it is important to reject [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence]attempts to claim equivalence[/link] between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose”, noting that right-wing extremist movements are much more violent and have been responsible for hundreds of murders in the United States while “there have not been any known antifa-related murders”.
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Biden has denounced the violence
And he will continue to do that
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Also Biden and Obama had 8 years to try and fix things… they really didnt do anything of substance. As dergon said, only liberals blame Trump on this one with independents moving away from Dems on the issue. BLM didnt start when Trump was in office.
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Biden has to answer what he would do better than when he had 8 years before.
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Also Biden and Obama had 8 years to try and fix things… they really didnt do anything of substance. As dergon said, only liberals blame Trump on this one with independents moving away from Dems on the issue. BLM didnt start when Trump was in office.
That’s a lot of misinformation.
Let’s recall just a simple thing like when the Right lost their cookies and pissed all over themselves when Obama dared to question the arrest of Henry Louis Gates on July 16, 2016 for trying to enter his own home? I men, really? A simple, “That was stupid” got Fox and friends all in a lather? It took 5 days to drop the charges for trying to enter his own home but it was Obama who was wrong for saying that was a stupid thing the police did.
So you believe Obama and Binen never attempted police reform?
You obviously need a new set of news sources – ones that give you facts & not alternate facts.
[link=https://www.statesman.com/news/20200619/fact-check-did-obama-and-biden-lsquonever-evenrsquo-try-to-do-police-reform]https://www.statesman.com…ry-to-do-police-reform[/link]
Reforming policing practices is difficult, and the Obama administration didnt even try to do it because it didnt know how to do so, Trump claimed.
We will have reform without undermining our many great and extremely talented law enforcement officers, Trump said June 16. President (Barack) Obama and Vice President (Joe) Biden never even tried to fix this during their eight-year period. The reason they didnt try is because they had no idea how to do it, and it is a complex situation.
PolitiFact reviewed measures taken by the Obama administration and consulted with law enforcement and criminal justice experts to evaluate Trumps claim. Trumps statement is wrong.
The Obama administration did more with respect to police reform and misconduct than any administration in the modern area and it was a personal commitment for the president and for Attorney General Eric Holder, said David Kennedy, director of the National Network for Safe Communities at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
Obama in December 2014, through an executive order, established the Presidents Task Force on 21st Century Policing in the wake of the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.
Not only should there be policies for deadly and nondeadly uses of force but a clearly stated sanctity of life philosophy must also be in the forefront of every officers mind, the report said. This way of thinking should be accompanied by rigorous practical ongoing training in an atmosphere of nonjudgmental and safe sharing of views with fellow officers about how they behaved in use of force situations.
Beyond the task force, the Obama administration also investigated police departments for patterns or practices that violated constitutional or federal rights. Those investigations dont center on one single incident. They examine broader behavior to determine whether theres misconduct within a department. The administration also pushed for consent decrees, court-enforced negotiated agreements that specify remedies departments must implement to correct misconduct.
The notion that the Obama administration didnt try police reform because they didnt know what to do is not accurate, said Kennedy, the research center director at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The Obama-era policies were aimed at preventing police violence and police misconduct, improving policing and police-community relations, he said.
That was an administration that made these issues a priority, said Kennedy, who was part of the National Initiative for Building Community Trust and Justice.
Trumps claim that Obama and Biden didnt even try police reforms is patently false, said Sean M. Smoot, director and chief legal counsel of the Police Benevolent and Protective Association of Illinois and a member of the Obama task force.
[b]Trump said, President Obama and Vice President Biden never even tried to fix this during their eight-year period.[/b]
[b]The record shows that is not true. After the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson and related racial justice protests, Obama established a task force to examine better policing practices. The Obama administration also investigated patterns or practices of misconduct in police departments and entered into court-binding agreements that require departments to correct misconduct.[/b]
We rate Trumps statement [b]FALSE[/b].
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Then TRUMP discarded all of Obama’s administrations attempts to deal with reform.
[link=https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-obama-didnt-reform-213638299.html]https://news.yahoo.com/tr…-reform-213638299.html[/link]
But Obama, the nation’s first Black president, who confronted and addressed race and racism frequently, did take action to reform police and try to reduce bias in law enforcement. The Trump administration is well aware of that, too: It unraveled those changes.
In August 2017,[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reverses-obama-policy-surplus-military-gear-police-n796581] Trump reversed an Obama policy [/link]that banned the military from selling surplus equipment to police, a measure that had been put in place amid criticism over the armored vehicles, tear gas and assault rifles used to control protests after the police killing of Michael Brown, 18, in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014.
[b]In addition, in September 2017, the Justice Department said it would stop the Obama-era practice of investigating police departments and issuing public reports about their failings. For example, the Justice Department had investigated the Ferguson Police Department and found [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/04/the-12-key-highlights-from-the-dojs-scathing-ferguson-report/]unconstitutional, unlawful and racist behavior and policing within the department[/link].[/b]
When he served as Trump’s attorney general, Jeff Sessions made it clear early on that he opposed consent decrees like the one struck in Ferguson, and he ordered a review of the Justice Department’s more than a dozen consent decrees. Sessions said they “[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/politics/sessions-limits-consent-decrees.html]reduced morale[/link]”of police.
[b][link=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/politics/sessions-limits-consent-decrees.html]Shortly before the president fired him amid complaints over his handling of the Russia investigation[/link], Sessions issued a memo dramatically limiting the Justice Department’s practice of using consent decrees. [/b]
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Good for Biden for denouncing violence, looting and rioting. Its unfortunate that he waited months to do it, but better late than never.
Do you think he will denounce the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland? After all, Biden is running to be president of all Americans, not just those who vote for him, and that was an American citizen who was killed.
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Actually Biden said nearly the exact same thing after George Floyd
Google it
Its nearly identical
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After all, Biden is running to be president of all Americans, not just those who vote for him
Why aren’t you concerned about TRump not being president to all Americans & only concerned about his supporters who vote for him?
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When he denounces the violence, is he denouncing killing and violence or rioting and looting? Both? Or is one wrong and the other OK. I am unclear as to Bidens opinion.
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[link=https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1298697722304888833]https://mobile.twitter.co…us/1298697722304888833[/link]
Burning down communities is not protest, its needless violenceviolence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses, and shutters businesses that serve the community. Thats wrong.
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And from the NYPost – that NY Liberal rag owned by the Murdochs warning about white supremacist violence on the uprise.
Sorry to you all regarding your complaints about “cut and paste” information but apparently so many are limited in gathering actual factual news information.
Unfortunately many of Trump’s supporters only get the side about anti-Fascists being the enemy.
[link=https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/terrorism-threats-from-white-supremacists-on-the-rise-state-dept/]https://nypost.com/2020/0…n-the-rise-state-dept/[/link]
The threat of racially and ethnically motivated terrorism from white supremacists is on the rise and spreading geographically across the country and world, according to a new State Department report.
The [link=https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2019/]report[/link], which is published annually with yearly country-by-country terrorism developments, outlined certain groups that are increasingly becoming the focus of hate crimes.
The white supremacist and nativist movements and individuals increasingly target immigrants; Jewish, Muslim, and other religious minorities; lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and/or intersex (LGBTI) individuals; governments; and other perceived enemies, according to the report, published by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Last year brought several high-profile profile attacks spurred by white supremacist ideology, including shooting at a [link=https://nypost.com/tag/new-zealand-mosque-shootings/]mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand[/link], in March; the shooting in an [link=https://nypost.com/tag/el-paso-walmart-shooting/]El Paso, Texas, Walmart[/link] last summer and the gunman who [link=https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/german-synagogue-gunman-inspired-by-new-zealand-attack-federal-prosecutor/]opened fire in a synagogue[/link] in Halle, Germany, this past October.
[link=https://www.newsweek.com/white-supremacists-killed-more-americans-muslim-extremists-recent-years-terrorism-report-shows-1517096]https://www.newsweek.com/…m-report-shows-1517096[/link]
White supremacists have killed about nine times as many Americans as Muslim extremists have during terrorist attacks carried out in the U.S. in recent years, according to a report released Thursday by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism’s Global Terrorism Database.
In the U.S., 64 victims were killed in 34 terrorist attacks by white supremacists and white nationalists between 2015 and 2019, the report showed.
Though white supremacy has been a point of concern in the U.S. for years, attention on racially motivated attacks by white supremacists has increased since President Donald Trump took office in 2016. Some of that attention has been attributed to Trump’s hesitation to condemn white nationalists during his first year in office after a rally held to protest a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia turned deadly.
More recently, the president has been criticized for calling protesters demonstrating in support of the Black Lives Matter movement “anarchists” and “terrorists,” as well as for [link=https://www.newsweek.com/trump-retweets-video-florida-supporter-saying-white-power-1513938]sharing a video[/link] on Twitter in which one person could be heard shouting “white power.”
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And he pretty much said the same thing about Portland in a released statement today
[link=https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5673650002]https://www.google.com/am…day.com/amp/5673650002[/link]
But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”
Biden will reportedly repeat his denunciation of violence during an appearance Monday while blaming Trump for the events that have occurred on his watch.
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And he pretty much said the same thing about Portland in a released statement today
[link=https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5673650002]https://www.google.com/am…day.com/amp/5673650002[/link]
But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”
Biden will reportedly repeat his denunciation of violence during an appearance Monday while blaming Trump for the events that have occurred on his watch.
I do have to say too many of these demonstrators are stupid to the n[sup]th[/sup] degree with their actions. They need to learn from MLK and not voluntarily give Fox News, et al the propaganda they crave. Unforced errors.
They run the risk of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory just for feel-good angry speeches and bonfires that turn many allies against their actions.
But the demonstrators aren’t the ones bringing AR-15s to the demonstrations and using them against living people, but you will never know that if your news sources are Fox News and their ilk.-
I think there are fringe fanatics on each side causing 95% of the bad stuff
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Trump is being president to all Americans. The diversity of people, races, and even political parties speaking at the RNC last week highlighted that.
It is good that Biden is denouncing violence. I hope he continues to do so. It will be a difficult slog for the Biden campaign, since Trump has firmly positioned himself with law and order, while Biden and the Democrats are perceived as condoning violence, looting, and defunding the police.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/30/biden-not-visit-kenosha-monday-405468]https://www.politico.com/…-kenosha-monday-405468[/link]
Interesting. Biden cancels his Kenosha visit.
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People only see and remember results. There were none on of value on this issue from Obama/Biden or we wouldnt have these issues now. Police behavior isnt driven by Trump. BLM didnt start because of Trump. You two can live in your bubble if you want to and make excuses but the majority of people dont agree with you on this one. Even the Dems know they are losing this issue. Even dergon knows it. You have to produce results and you cant be wishy washy about violence. Trump was wishy washy about Charlottesville and has been blamed/called racist for that for almost 4 years, for example.
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BLM started in Obamas America. All of this racial unrest started in Obamas America.
We have a federation of states. Trump doesnt run the states. Its perfectly reasonable to place the responsibility for the unrest on the governors and mayors of these cities
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Everything that goes well gets put on the Dem governors and mayors (although I cant think of anything that has gone well for them lately) and everything that is bad gets put on Trump. Same as always. Media bias is a scourge.
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Do you honestly believe that?
Seems to me that trump tried to credit for everything good and blame democrats Obama or Hillary for everything negative
I mean the guy blames Obama for our testing problems when Covid didnt even exist til trumps third year in office
Im sorry but you absolutely have to do better than that
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Every politician takes credit for the good and shifts responsibility for the bad.
Ted Wheeler, the mayor of Portland, gave a press conference blaming Trump for, well, everything gone wrong in his city.
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University professors in our overwhelmingly liberal university systems here in the US also propagate these narratives to keep their power and professorships. If they didnt keep propagating these narratives they wouldnt have a job. They have a conflict of interest. If they helped solve racism and sexism they would effectively get rid of their jobs. So they continue to promote the narrative.
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Education bad
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Wow the Portland mayor just knee-capped trump
Man that was a good speech
First time in 50
Years that Americans have seen this level of biased fueled by trumps campaign of hate fear and vitriolAnd now you w as not me to stop the violence that you have created
Ouch best best down Ive seen in awhile
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Trump is definitely stoking the flames and inciting the violence
Democrats are smart to just keep repeating that
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Ha okay, let’s see how it plays out for them if they do that.
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The Portland mayor is blaming Trump for everything. Interesting. Trump withdrew the federal troops a few weeks ago, and violence in Portland has continued to increase. At what point does the Portland mayor take responsibility for anything happening under his watch and his city?
Impressively, the media and Democrats seem to be shifting from these protests are peaceful to these riots are false flag operations.
As noted and advocated by Kamala Harris and the Biden campaign, the Biden/Harris campaign was donating funds to bail the Minnesota rioters out of jail. Its going to be hard to extricate themselves from that responsibility. -
Incredibly, Bidens statement, while it did condemn violence, did not condemn Antifa. The Antifa voting bloc is by definition minimal…Antifa members arent the kind of folks to show up to vote en masse.
The statement puts no blame on Antifa, or even the shooter himself, and blames Trump and conservatives for everything. This will likely end up worse than the deplorables comment. It may have been better if Biden hadnt said anything at all. -
[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/04/trump-appointee-arrested-for-capitol-riot-473825]https://www.politico.com/…or-capitol-riot-473825[/link]
[h2][b]Trump appointee arrested in connection with Capitol riot[/b][/h2]
The FBI on Thursday arrested Federico Klein, a former State Department aide, on charges related to the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, marking the first known instance of an appointee of President Donald Trump facing criminal prosecution in connection with the attempt to block Congress from certifying President Joe Bidens victory.
An FBI lookout bulletin issued two weeks after the Capitol assault included a photo of Klein, prompting two tipsters to contact the FBI and finger him as the man in that picture, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Washington.
The affidavit says video from police body-worn cameras on Jan. 6 shows Klein jamming a riot shield into doors at the Capitol as police were trying to secure them to keep the mob out. Klein was also heard on video trying to encourage others to clash with the police, the complaint says.
“We need fresh people, we need fresh people, Klein shouted repeatedly, according to the complaint. In much of the video, he is wearing the Trump campaign’s trademark “Make America Great Again” red hat.[/QUOTE]
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We werent there to steal things. We werent there to do damage. We were just there to overthrow the government.
Capitol rioter Saundra Kiczenski, quoted by the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-rallies-front-row-joes/2021/07/15/cd842ee6-e589-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html]Washington Post[/link].
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First felony sentence handed down: Paul Hodgkins, who travelled from Tampa to break into the Capitol on January 6 and waved a Trump 2020 flag on the Senate floor, is sentenced to eight months in prison. [image]https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif[/image]
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What very sad people. Trump is their savior from whom they gain purpose at empty pep rallies.
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McCarthy will name GOP Reps. Jim Banks (as ranking member), Jim Jordan, Rodney Davis, Kelly Armstrong, and freshman Troy Nehls to the Jan. 6 select Committee
Davis and Armstrong as the only ones that voted to certify the election. The other 3 voted to overturn the election results and Jordan and Banks even joined a lawsuit to overturn the election. Pelosi should use her powers to veto Jordan, Banks, and Nehls. -
[b]DEA Agent Arrested for Taking Part In Capitol Riots[/b][/h1]
A U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agent has been arrested for allegedly participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump, [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/dea-agent-arrested-for-participating-in-jan-6-capitol-riot-by-trump-supporters.html]CNBC[/link] reports.
The agent, Mark Sami Ibrahim, allegedly flashed his badge and a DEA-issued handgun during the riot while posing for photos with those items. -
[h1][b]Trump Lawyer Takes the Fifth[/b][/h1]
John Eastman, the attorney who helped former President Donald Trump pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election, has asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/03/eastman-takes-the-fifth-with-jan-6-committee-523712]Politico[/link] reports.
Eastmans decision is an extraordinary assertion by someone who worked closely with Trump to attempt to overturn the 2020 election results.
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Let’s repeat that declaration, pleading the 5th Amendment as protection against self-incrimination by a member of the prior POTUS administration!
“No, I’m not guilty of anything but if I have to testify, I will be providing evidence against myself showing self-incriminated guilt.” -
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[b]Trump Lawyer Takes the Fifth[/b]
John Eastman, the attorney who helped former President Donald Trump pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election, has asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/03/eastman-takes-the-fifth-with-jan-6-committee-523712]Politico[/link] reports.
Eastmans decision is an extraordinary assertion by someone who worked closely with Trump to attempt to overturn the 2020 election results.
I know we are not supposed to infer guilt from a refusal to testify, but damn, this sure looks like he knows that he did something illegal [;)] . -
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[b]Trump Lawyer Takes the Fifth[/b]
John Eastman, the attorney who helped former President Donald Trump pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election, has asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/03/eastman-takes-the-fifth-with-jan-6-committee-523712]Politico[/link] reports.
Eastmans decision is an extraordinary assertion by someone who worked closely with Trump to attempt to overturn the 2020 election results.I know we are not supposed to infer guilt from a refusal to testify, but damn, this sure looks like he knows that he did something illegal [;)] .
yeah
I mean, it [i]could[/i] be the case that this high-powered political attorney and his hired team of other high-powered attorneys look at the investigation and think “Hey John. You’re totally safe from prosecution. All you did was write a memo. But, you know what? We think you plead the 5th anyway for no good reason and implicate yourself and the former President whose political interests you are trying to serve.”but not likely
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Ollie North, Republican hero. Known for stuffing government papers, uh, I mean stuffing incriminating evidence down Fawn Hall’s panties. When “extracted,” said evidence was to be destroyed to protect the guilty.
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[b]John Eastman Drops Bid to Block Phone Records[/b][/h1]
John Eastman, an architect of Donald Trumps last-ditch bid to subvert the 2020 election, has dropped a lawsuit aimed at blocking the Jan. 6 select committee from obtaining his phone records, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/28/eastman-phone-records-from-jan-6-committee-00043072]Politico[/link] reports.
In a late Tuesday filing, Eastman voluntarily dismissed the suit, claiming that hed been assured the committee was only seeking his call logs not the content of any messages held by his carrier, Verizon. The select committee has long contended that it lacks the authority to obtain message content. -
I want to tell you something, if Steve Bannon & I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, we wouldve been armed.
~ Rep Marjorie Taylor, last night regarding the January 6th attack on the US Capitol at a New York Young Republicans meeting
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[link=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/oath-keepers-members-convicted-seditious-conspiracy-rcna66622]https://www.nbcnews.com/p…s-conspiracy-rcna66622[/link]
Four Oath Keepers convicted of seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 attack
The trial was the second to charge members of the extremist group with seditious conspiracy in the Capitol riot.Prosecutors said Vallejo was staged at a Virginia hotel with a stockpile of rifles which they have called a “Quick Reaction Force” while Hackett, Moerschel and Minuta led groups to breach the Capitol.
The four defendants were charged as part of the same seditious conspiracy case involving Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes that went to trial in October. The case was split into two trials due to the number of defendants.
Rhodes and Kelly Meggs, the leader of the groups Florida chapter, were convicted of seditious conspiracy in November. Three additional defendants from the first trial Jessica Watkins, Kenneth Harrelson and Thomas Caldwell were acquitted of seditious conspiracy but convicted on other felony charges, including obstruction of a federal proceeding. All five are awaiting sentencing
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Question CNN: Are they getting their ideas for newsworthy stories from bums on the street?
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What took place last night was inevitable given Mayor Wheelers repeated failure, the letter said. He has not protected or supported Portlanders. We do not have confidence in his ability to course-correct. He must resign.
[link=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/progressive-community-leaders-call-for-portland-mayor-police-chief-to-resign-following-deadly-shooting/ar-BB18wJ2q]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/progressive-community-leaders-call-for-portland-mayor-police-chief-to-resign-following-deadly-shooting/ar-BB18wJ2q[/link]
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What took place last night was inevitable given Mayor Wheelers repeated failure, the letter said. He has not protected or supported Portlanders. We do not have confidence in his ability to course-correct. He must resign.[link=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/progressive-community-leaders-call-for-portland-mayor-police-chief-to-resign-following-deadly-shooting/ar-BB18wJ2q]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/progressive-community-leaders-call-for-portland-mayor-police-chief-to-resign-following-deadly-shooting/ar-BB18wJ2q[/link]
keep blaming Trump.
No. Trump is being blamed for doing nothing while excusing the situation of people being shot and killed by police. He does not ever notice all the killings of civilians by police but he does notice minorities objecting and his reaction is to further his support for the police abuse against civilians. He is being blamed for repealing the efforts by the Obama administration to make the police accountable. Recall that an investigation of Missouri and other states and cities found that the legal system used oppression and increasing fines and legal punishment against poor people to fund the courts and other city functions.
Everyone seems to pretend everything was puddle wonderful until these recent demonstrations. And now suddenly we are hearing how Obama not only tried to do nothing but actually instigated things.
Transference and projection.
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First thing I would to stop the riots is to stop inciting them
Stop blaming everyone and work with local government to peacefully end them
Be part of the solution not the problem
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Trump has repeatedly offered aid to quell the violence, and has done so successfully in Kenosha. Biden previously opposed sending the National Guard to cities and states where rioting and violence were occurring.
Now, the Biden and the Democrats promise an end to the violence if only they are voted into office.
Hmm. The Democrats messaging is coming across like a hostage/terrorist threat.
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Trumped has yelled screamed and demeaned mayors every day
He incites his own supporters and rarely comments on the victims
Every point trump makes is pro-police and never pro victim
Someone needs to stand up for justice
And its not going to be trump
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That is an interesting point, Chiro. Trump does own the pro-police space. Thats a valuable space to own when law and order is a major concern. Thank you.
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Hmm. The Democrats messaging is coming across like a hostage/terrorist threat.
The dems have been either silent or (as in Ted Wheelers case) been actively supporting the mostly peaceful protests while spitting in every effort by Trump to quell the violence. Now that things are getting out of hand its Trumps fault. What a joke they have become.
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Portland mayor destroyed Trump today
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Law and order without justice will cause riots
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The portland mayor has a lobby full of leftist rioters who want him gone and is in danger of losing his next election to a radical leftist.
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The portland mayor has a lobby full of leftist rioters who want him gone and is in danger of losing his next election to a radical leftist.
Isn’t that redundant? Anyone to the right of TRump is a leftist and therefore a radical.
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Jacob Blake was shot because his previous rape victim called the police. Blake was at her home, stole her keys, sexually assaulted her (again), she then called the police. Blake was told to surrender to the police; he ignored all commands, shook off two tasers, fought the police, then pulled a knife.
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Jacob Blake was shot because his previous rape victim called the police. Blake was at her home, stole her keys, sexually assaulted her (again), she then called the police. Blake was told to surrender to the police; he ignored all commands, shook off two tasers, fought the police, then pulled a knife.
If Blake, who also had an active warrant for felony sexual assault, had surrendered to the police at any time in this sequence of events, then he wouldnt have been shot.
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Yep. As I’ve said before, if people would just stop breaking the law and resisting arrest, we wouldn’t have these issues.
Blake DESERVED to be shot 7 times in the back in front of his children? No other means could have been used?
And I am still not exactly clear on why he was shot? Was the domestic complaint about him that he deserved to be shot? 7 times in the back?
These are the police you want in your neighborhood?
I don’t. That cop deserves prison for attempted murder at the very least. I mean where is the justification for deadly force? He did not like Blake’s attitude?
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The thing that has yet to be understood is that the 2020 election is an incidental thing in all of this. Its being treated as the prize, but 2021 will come, and we are all supposed to live together after the election.
That is becoming harder and harder to do, no matter who wins. Both sides are being told that they have the moral high ground, and fewer and fewer people on each side think they have to listen to the other. Rather, they consider their fellow citizens as something less than human. Every genocide in history begins with regarding the victim class as something less than human; this is a prerequisite for attacking them.
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Jacob Blake was shot because his previous rape victim called the police. Blake was at her home, stole her keys, sexually assaulted her (again), she then called the police. Blake was told to surrender to the police; he ignored all commands, shook off two tasers, fought the police, then pulled a knife.
If Blake, who also had an active warrant for felony sexual assault, had surrendered to the police at any time in this sequence of events, then he wouldnt have been shot.
No, all that was said was “a woman called police and said her boyfriend was present and not supposed to be on the premises.” That has not been explained or expanded that I am aware. What woman? Was Blake the man? And still we have the definite question, did that justify shooting him in the back 7 times? The video shows him with his back to the shooting officer.
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He told police he had a knife, then reached into his car for it after being told to stop.
He also had an active felony warrant for sexual assault, and had just sexually assaulted his past rape victim.
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But you haven’t answered your claim regarding how Obama and Biden supposedly did nothing to address police interactions against the minority communities that I have refuted with my links.
And you are doing exactly the same thing you complain of, all bad things are due to Obama and Democratic governors and mayors.
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Yes, I did. I said they didn’t do anything of substance because it’s still a problem. It started when they were in office and it’s still around.
I’m not blaming Obama for covid testing. I never said that.
Also, yes I do believe that from the media perspective. Trump can try to do whatever he wants but I was talking about the media framing of all issues. You can look up data on that and see all the articles recent writers who left their jobs have written on media bias.
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Agree his pandering to the white nationalist is catching up to him
No way out for him but to double down on it
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Portland mayor totally took Trump apart
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And he continues to pound the sheet out of trump
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Possibly. Recent polls (and I distrust all polls) show Trump ahead in Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota.
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Trump is done
He is totally in a box here because all of this is happening on his watch
He promised 4 yrs ago to make everyone safe and all this stuff is happening
Not only is it happening on his watch
He is inciting it!!!
He is toast.
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Perhaps if you keep shouting it, it will become true?
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The thing you’re missing though is that people aren’t blaming Trump. They are blaming the Left and BLM. They see Trump trying to send in police and never wavering on being forceful – sometimes too forceful.
The race is 50/50 right now.
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What would you do to stop the riots, Frumi?
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What would you do to stop the riots, Frumi?
Treat the people like they matter, like they have legitimate issues that have to be dealt with. Issues like why was Floyd killed with several police standing around doing nothing, why was Jacob Blake shot? Why aren’t the police held accountable when even coroner’s reports conclude homicide as the cause of death to someone killed by police?
How about not arresting a man who is trying to enter his home because the arresting officer assumes a black man obviously could never live there?
What is wrong with holding police accountable for doing a good job that does not see civilians, specifically minority civilians as if everything was happening in Falluja and civilians are terrorists.
Even minority communities want police presence, they just do not want to be seen as the enemy by these same police.
That would be a good start.
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What would you do to stop the riots, Frumi?
Treat the people like they matter, like they have legitimate issues that have to be dealt with. Issues like why was Floyd killed with several police standing around doing nothing, why was Jacob Blake shot? Why aren’t the police held accountable when even coroner’s reports conclude homicide as the cause of death to someone killed by police?
How about not arresting a man who is trying to enter his home because the arresting officer assumes a black man obviously could never live there?
What is wrong with holding police accountable for doing a good job that does not see civilians, specifically minority civilians as if everything was happening in Falluja and civilians are terrorists.
Even minority communities want police presence, they just do not want to be seen as the enemy by these same police.
That would be a good start.
Why do you think the demonstrations are happening? Sport? Anti-Trump only with no real issues other than election politics?
Tim Scott wrote a police reform bill. Didn’t even get a chance. There needs to be reform and the union shares the biggest blame. The police unions have shifted to Trump but they are the problem that’s stopping bad cops from being fired.
No one feeds the flames more than the media. They fall backward over themselves to use “protest” and “mostly peaceful” even when buildings are burning.
The problem is the racial division that has been stoked by the Left. Putting people into boxes has consequences.
There are no stats in 2020 that support system-wide racism. There are a few bad cops. That’s how it should be treated. Deal with the bad cops. Don’t riot and try to tear down the system.
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It’s fine. You’re just way Left on this issue and that’s your opinion. I’m happy to hear it and discuss it with you.
Most people view these as cops using force against criminals – because these are criminals. The latest was an alleged rapist. Excessive force is in the eye of the beholder/jury/judge. The snap emotional judgment of “cop kills black guy = we must riot” is not the way the majority of America thinks.
If you attempt to subdue someone and they break free, assault you, and also are still standing after two tries with the taser, what do you do as a cop to protect yourself? There have been cops killed by criminals recently as you know. I will agree that 7 times seems excessive but it’s not for us to rush to a snap emotional judgment about.-
Shooting someone 7 times in back while he is running away from you is not good policing
Kneeling on a mans neck while he is restrained is not good policing
Watching as your partner kneels on a guys neck for 8 minutes is also criminal
Its about Justice
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Sure trumps message resonates in rural AmericaIm not so so sure it resonates in the suburbs and it doesnt resonate in cities
So we will see. I think the majority of people see this as Trumps America and they dont want 4 more years of it
We were a lot better off in 2016
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Tim Scott wrote a police reform bill. Didn’t even get a chance. There needs to be reform and the union shares the biggest blame. The police unions have shifted to Trump but they are the problem that’s stopping bad cops from being fired.
Scott’s bill was a fig leaf, that is the problem.
[link=https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/06/18/tim-scott-republican-police-reform-legislation.html]https://www.bet.com/news/…eform-legislation.html[/link]
Scott said that he had spoken to Sen. Cory Booker about the reform legislation. Booker questioned whether or not the proposals went far enough, but from Scott’s perspective one of the things the bills needed is an emphasis on incident reports, which he felt was integral to holding police accountable.
For me this started back with our approach to the Walter Scott murder, said Scott, referring to an African American man who was shot and killed while running away from North Charleson, S.C., policeman Walter Slager. Ultimately, Scott wants to approach decertification of officers, although it is a contentious topic with police unions and which Democrats dont seem to favor. They would prefer instead to eliminate qualified immunity to make prosecuting officers easier.
Booker joined others in his party in criticizing the Republican bill as heavy on gestures and light on real reform, saying it [b]does not deal with egregious officer misconduct, no-knock warrants, or provide public access to records of police misconduct[/b].Quote from Cubsfan10
No one feeds the flames more than the media. They fall backward over themselves to use “protest” and “mostly peaceful” even when buildings are burning.
I’m sorry but my media is NPR and NewsHour and NYTimes and WashPo, none of whom is working overtime or undertime to fan the flames of violence. Even MSNBC is not fanning flames that I have seen. Nor that other bogeyman of the Right, CNN. No one on the “left” is chanting, “Burn baby burn!” or preaching “2nd Amendment solutions” the way I have heard from right wingers.
Explain that.
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The problem is the racial division that has been stoked by the Left. Putting people into boxes has consequences.
Stoking or seeing as opposed to pretending racism stopped at the end of the Civil War?
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There are no stats in 2020 that support system-wide racism. There are a few bad cops. That’s how it should be treated. Deal with the bad cops. Don’t riot and try to tear down the system.
So when are the bad cops going to be brought to justice? And by whom? They have immunity as conferred by the Supreme Court.
How are you going to solve that?Quote from Cubsfan10
You’re not going to change your mind so I don’t know why I even try but the longer BLM and the like continue to riot, the more likely Trump wins.
On this, unfortunately I agree that BLM’s antics increase Trump’s reelection chances.
I agree that black lives matter but the organization BLM is about self-righteously shooting yourself in the foot.
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And no law in order without justice
Thats just how it is
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I said there were bad cops. You’re saying all cops and our whole system is bad. Those are two different things.
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Trump tweets the name of Jay Bishop, the man killed in Portland, as well as his condolences. He also attacks the Portland mayor for being weak and ineffectual after this death occurred in his town after refusing aid to quell violence and riots.
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I said there were bad cops. You’re saying all cops and our whole system is bad. Those are two different things.
And your fool proof plan to weed out bad cops leaving the good ones behind?
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Frumi, we posted the justification above.
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Frumi, we posted the justification above.
Grinder, “WE” posted WHAT justification for what above?
Speaking in riddles answers nothing.
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So the cop knew before he shot the guy 7 times in the back that the the guy was wanted?
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Yes.
[link=https://madison365.com/kenohsa-police-opened-fire-less-than-5-minutes-after-being-called-scanner-audio/]https://madison365.com/kenohsa-police-opened-fire-less-than-5-minutes-after-being-called-scanner-audio/[/link]-
Well geez
No wonder the cop shot the guy 7 times in the back
Totally justified use of force
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Well geez
No wonder the cop shot the guy 7 times in the back
Totally justified use of force
Dont waste peoples time asking questions then if you are not interested in the answer.
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So the cop knew before he shot the guy 7 times in the back that the the guy was wanted?
Yes. Dispatch had told him so. Guy had a felony warrant.
The only thing I can fault them for is that they didn’t immediately control him knowing that he had an outstanding warrant. The moment they lost control of him and had him heading back to his weapon, they were faced with two bad options.
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So you dont fault the cop For shooting the guy 7 times in the back
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So you dont fault the cop For shooting the guy 7 times in the back
What were his other options at this point ? He was within an arms length of a man with a knife. Let him swing around and get stabbed ? Let go of the felon so he can get in his running car and flee or run over one of his colleagues ? Once they were in that door, there was no possible good outcome. They should have never been at that point. But that’s because the popo is completely dependent on their tazers, OC and 20 other gizmos hanging off their belts. If the tazer fails, they run out of ideas and are quick to draw their firearm. A systemic problem with poor training and poor physical conditioning.
Now, with the history of the Kenosha PD of shooting someone in the head who was being held down by several officers, I dont think officer Sheskey is going to receive due process on this incident.
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So the cop knew before he shot the guy 7 times in the back that the the guy was wanted?
Yes. Dispatch had told him so. Guy had a felony warrant.
The only thing I can fault them for is that they didn’t immediately control him knowing that he had an outstanding warrant. The moment they lost control of him and had him heading back to his weapon, they were faced with two bad options.
Bad optics.
Hi fw, here is the published breakdown of events.
Here are the actual and undisputed facts
[link=https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/let-them-boycott/]
[/link]The officers were dispatched to the location due to a complaint that Mr. Blake was attempting to steal the callers keys/vehicle.
Officers were aware of Mr. Blakes open warrant for felony sexual assault (3rd degree) before they arrived on scene.
Mr. Blake was not breaking up a fight between two females when officers arrived on scene.
The silver SUV seen in the widely circulated video was not Mr. Blakes vehicle.
Mr. Blake was not unarmed. He was armed with a knife. The officers did not see the knife initially. The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. The main video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.
The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative.
The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-complaint.
The officers next went hands-on with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control.
Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers attempt to gain compliance.
The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.
Based on his non-compliance, one officer tased Mr. Blake. The taser did not incapacitate Mr. Blake.
The officers once more went hands-on with Mr. Blake; again, trying to gain control of the escalating situation.
Mr. Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock.
A second taser (from a different officer than had deployed the initial taser) was then deployed on Mr. Blake. It did not appear to have any impact on him.
Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.
Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.
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With the above description and supporting video evidence, there is zero chance that the officers will be convicted of any sort of crime.
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Sounds like the officiers tried multiple non-lethal methods.Where did you get this list?
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On a side note the riots had started in Kenosha well before most of these facts were available.
At this point, the riots are just a reflex. Someone gets shot, BLM gets on the case, stuff burns.
This is a really ugly looking incident, but based on the facts, I expect it to be justified. Every turn where Mr Blake was able to make a bad decision, he did, and in the end, he is solely responsible for what happened to him. I know, that’s difficult to accept if your emotions tell you ‘now this is just wrong’, but that’s what they are emotions.
Now there are a few other solutions to the problem that led to Mr Blakes injuries:
– change the domestic violence laws so they are not enforceable if the perpetrator is an african american male.
– stop responding to calls for service from some redlined areas. Advise the woman whose violent boyfriend had allegedly snagged her car keys that she should call a social worker during business hours to work out a mutually agreeable solution.
I think thats more better !
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Tackle would have been these easiest thing at that point
So he mishandled the original situation and his options were
Tackle them get help from the other 2 cops
Let the guy get into the car
Maybe everyone shoot out the tires
Or 7 shots in the back because he mishandled the original situation
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Geez I guess if you dont listen to a policeman then he has every right to shoot you
Not sure thats not how it works
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Tackle would have been these easiest thing at that point
So he mishandled the original situation and his options were
Tackle them get help from the other 2 cops
The ability to skillfully tackle someone went away when police departments stopped hiring retired marines and started hiring pudgy sociologists and small framed women who have just the right combination of paperwork that allows them to edge out everyone else. To make up for it, they now they have belt full of ‘less than lethal’ tools. If those gadgets and shrieking at someone dont work, they run out of options.
One of my wifes friends was married to a cop. He had a psychology degree, worked as school resource officer, lots of anti-drug education efforts. He was great, a real model for the ‘new police’ paradigm.
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I dont think disregard for a police command is grounds for using lethal force
Police are killing black guys for misdemeanors
Thats not right
Gorge Floyd
The Georgia Wendys murder
Cell phone cameras are going to change policing.
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I dont think disregard for a police command is grounds for using lethal force
Fleeing felon with a knife in his hand.
Tennessee vs. Garner. Sad but sometimes things don’t look good but have to be done.
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The details are copied from a statement from the Kenosha Police Union, found here.
[link=https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kenosha-Police-Association-Releases-Vital-Details-on-Jacob-Blake-Shooting-August-28-2020-PS.pdf]https://www.wispolitics.c…-August-28-2020-PS.pdf[/link]
Fw, I would respectfully suggest the following: teach kids in school how to safely comply with police officers. Hands in sight, yes sir, no sir, Miranda rights and so on.
According to the Washington Post, police fatally shot 999 people in 2019. Only 1 was not in some way trying to evade or resist arrest (I would like to know the story there).
This seems like a very salient point for lifesaving education, both in the immediate sense as well as preventing civil unrest. Teach people, especially kids, that if you comply with police officers then your chances of being shot are very small.
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Wait did he have a knife in his hand?
Everything Ive seen said it was reported he may have had a knife in the car
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Thank god for cell phone cameras
We are going to continue to see this until policing gets changed
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Frumi,
It looks like Sacramento acknowledges the existence of Antifa and is calling in the Guard.
[link=https://gooddaysacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/08/28/downtown-sac-jacob-blake-protest-vandalism-antifa-da-sac-sheriff/]https://gooddaysacramento…antifa-da-sac-sheriff/[/link]
Officials Blame Sacramento Antifa For Vandalism After Jacob Blake Protest, Call In National Guard
Good luck with all the BS.
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Nothing like making up facts after the fact to justify shooting.
No one ever said he had a knife in his hand & if police testify to that now it is highly suspect as a flat out lie to justify the shooting.
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I see some people still internalize the ‘upstanding citizen goes to break up fight and is immediately shot in the back by the popo’ propaganda.The BLM have learned one rule of propaganda and that is that the first story, no matter how wrong, is the one that sticks.
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I see some people will excuse police actions regardless of videos or anything else.
The Blue Wall of Silence is a real thing. All it takes is for people to look the other way when police break the law.
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I see some people will condemn police actions regardless of videos or anything else.
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So the city of Portland is going to be sued into bankruptcy.
A 48-year-old man who was accused of carrying a loaded gun at an earlier downtown Portland protest is under investigation in the fatal shooting Saturday night of a right-wing demonstrator after a pro-Trump rally.
Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June.
Reinoehls posts indicate he attended many protests in Portland that began three months ago after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis under the knee of a police officer.
On July 5 at one of the demonstrations, Reinoehl was cited at 2:10 a.m. in the 700 block of Southwest Main Street on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police.
He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a no complaint, according to court records. The documents dont indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars.
Brent Weisberg, a spokesman for Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt, said the office is still reviewing that July case involving Reinoehl.
Reinoehls 36-year-old sister said she was awakened just before 8 a.m. Sunday by a threatening phone call from someone who told her that our whole family was in danger unless we turned him over.
Thats how I found out, that her brother was allegedly involved, she told The Oregonian/OregonLive.
She called Sandy police to report the threat, she said. Once she looked online and saw screenshots of her brothers photo, she said she called Portland detectives.
We reached out to police and confirmed that we recognized Michael in the screenshots, she said. She asked that her name not be used because of the threats.
Michael Reinoehl has been estranged from the family including her, their parents and a younger brother for at least three years, his sister said.
On the one hand, this whole thing surprises the daylights out of us, because we always thought he is a lot of bark, not a lot of bite, she said. But hes also been very impulsive and irrational.
Reinoehl has stolen their mothers seizure medication and owes a lot of debt, often giving his relatives addresses as his own to avoid responsibility, she said.
[link=https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html]https://www.oregonlive.co…-portland-protest.html[/link]
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Wow Chiro is right. Cell phones are going to change police work. For the better! Growing list of federal charges racking up against these peaceful protestors.
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The worst part is, innocent women pay the price. A 120 pound woman has no chance against a 200 pound man, as Blake demonstrated when he again sexually assaulted the victimized woman before he was shot.
Aside from shooting Blake herself (I believe women should be trained in and carry guns for protection), the womans only recourse is to call the police for protection.
However, if you put police into a situation where intervening with noncompliant violent criminals leads to (1) the police facing criminal charges and going to jail themselves or (2) the police getting hurt or killed by the violent criminal, then police will opt for (3) staying in their cars and not responding to such calls.
The less physically strong pay the price: women, children, the elderly, those who depend on the police to protect them from those from whom they cannot protect themselves.
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The worst part is, innocent women pay the price. A 120 pound woman has no chance against a 200 pound man, as Blake demonstrated when he again sexually assaulted the victimized woman before he was shot.
Aside from shooting Blake herself (I believe women should be trained in and carry guns for protection), the womans only recourse is to call the police for protection.
Maybe protective orders should come with a death warrant attached authorizing the person under the protection of the order to eliminate the person violating the order without risk of criminal or civil repecussions. It sure cuts down on recidivism.
And we wouldn’t have to send cops in harms way to sort out the at times complicated family issues. Just call 311 to have the MEs office send a van.
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[link=https://bluelivesmatter.blue/did-jacob-blake-have-a-weapon-we-examine-the-facts/]https://bluelivesmatter.b…-we-examine-the-facts/[/link]
The video shows he has a karambit, a curved blade fighting knife designed for close up combat.
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514356-biden-to-campaign-in-pennsylvania-monday-ask-are-you-safe-in-donald-trumps]Biden to campaign in Pennsylvania Monday, ask ‘are you safe in Donald Trump’s America?'[/link]
Good. Counter that Trump narrative.-
Notice how the Portland mayor shut down trump too
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Quote from radgrinder
The worst part is, innocent women pay the price. A 120 pound woman has no chance against a 200 pound man, as Blake demonstrated when he again sexually assaulted the victimized woman before he was shot.
Aside from shooting Blake herself (I believe women should be trained in and carry guns for protection), the womans only recourse is to call the police for protection.
However, if you put police into a situation where intervening with noncompliant violent criminals leads to (1) the police facing criminal charges and going to jail themselves or (2) the police getting hurt or killed by the violent criminal, then police will opt for (3) staying in their cars and not responding to such calls.
The less physically strong pay the price: women, children, the elderly, those who depend on the police to protect them from those from whom they cannot protect themselves.
So you’re bascially describing humanity as the animal kingdom. Bigger fish eat bigger fish.
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Thats creating a straw man instead of addressing what I wrote.
Do you disagree with anything that I said?
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Biden was better today in his Pennsylvania speech than he was last week at his acceptance speech
Do you really feel safer under trump?
Wow
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Quote from Chirorad84
Biden was better today in his Pennsylvania speech than he was last week at his acceptance speech
Do you really feel safer under trump?
Wow
Personally, I actually feel the same. If I lived in a city? Probably less safe now but I would be blaming that all on BLM and race-baiting and not Trump.-
With possibly a few exceptions, the cities are all very safe, thanks.
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Must be why people are leaving them lately.
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So you disagree with what I wrote, DICOM? Im still unclear on that.
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Watching Adam Schiff today.
He’s saying that Russia faked the riots, then blamed BLM via false flags, and are now blaming Democrats and Joe Biden for the fake riots. Diabolical!
This is great.-
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Watching Adam Schiff today.
He’s saying that Russia faked the riots, then blamed BLM via false flags, and are now blaming Democrats and Joe Biden for the fake riots. Diabolical!
This is great.
Sounds legit !
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Biden was better today in his Pennsylvania speech than he was last week at his acceptance speech
Do you really feel safer under trump?
Wow
Personally, I actually feel the same. If I lived in a city? Probably less safe now but [b]I would be blaming that all on BLM and race-baiting [/b]and not Trump.
This is what I keep hearing in white evangelical circles: “I’m not racist but all of this BLM violence certainly isn’t promoting those feelings.”-
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Biden was better today in his Pennsylvania speech than he was last week at his acceptance speech
Do you really feel safer under trump?
Wow
Personally, I actually feel the same. If I lived in a city? Probably less safe now but [b]I would be blaming that all on BLM and race-baiting [/b]and not Trump.
This is what I keep hearing in white evangelical circles: “I’m not racist but all of this BLM violence certainly isn’t promoting those feelings.”
90% of the BLM people I’ve seen around me have been white.-
listen to his interview with Laura Ingraham. Biden’s being controlled by people in the shadows who run the streets. Doesn’t elaborate on who other than someday he’ll tell Laura. Then he starts talking about a plane for of people in dark uniforms, almost sounds like the Bill Barr people who’ve been snatching people up. Than he goes onto describe shooting the guy 7 times in the back as like a whiff on a three foot putt. a “choke” I believe he said.
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Quote from radgrinder
Thats creating a straw man instead of addressing what I wrote.
Do you disagree with anything that I said?
I read what you wrote. You’re basically describing the animal kingdom.
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Quote from radgrinder
Watching Adam Schiff today.
He’s saying that Russia faked the riots, then blamed BLM via false flags, and are now blaming Democrats and Joe Biden for the fake riots. Diabolical!
This is great.
That’s pretty bad, even for Schiff.-
The trumpers are discombobulated today after Bidens coming out party
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[size=”2″]Clackamas, Washington county sheriffs rebuff Gov. Kate Browns request to staff Portland protests[/size][/h1]
Several local law enforcement agencies said they will deny Gov Kate Browns request to have outside agencies staff ongoing protests in Portland, citing hostility and lack of public support for law enforcement.
The sheriffs of both Clackamas and Washington counties released written statements on Monday afternoon saying they would not be sending deputies to Portland.
The statements came less than 24 hours after Brown released a statement saying she would authorize more police at protests and more arrests in the wake of a shooting on Saturday that left one dead. In her statement, Brown mentioned both Clackamas and Washington county sheriffs offices by name, as well as the Gresham Police Department.
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Clackamas County Sheriff Craig Roberts on Monday said he was never contacted about Governor Kate Browns plan to mobilize local law enforcement agencies in Portland protests, and said he has no plans to send his staff to nightly demonstrations.
Had Governor Brown discussed her plan with my office, I would have told her its about changing policy, not adding resources, he said. Increasing law enforcement resources in Portland will not solve the nightly violence and now, murder.
[link=https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2020/08/clackamas-washington-county-sheriffs-rebuff-gov-kate-browns-request-to-staff-portland-protests.html]https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2020/08/clackamas-washington-county-sheriffs-rebuff-gov-kate-browns-request-to-staff-portland-protests.html[/link]
Multiple Oregonian sheriffs just flipped Portland and the Oregon governor the bird.-
[link=https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/08/31/lasd-deputies-shoot-kill-man-in-south-los-angeles/]https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/08/31/lasd-deputies-shoot-kill-man-in-south-los-angeles/[/link]
LASD Deputies Shoot, Kill Black Man In South Los Angeles[/h1]
OUTH LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) A large group of demonstrators gathered in South Los Angeles Monday evening after deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department shot and killed a Black man.
According to the sheriffs department, the man was riding a bike when deputies tried to stop him for code violations related to his bike riding.
Deputies lost the man when he ran from the scene, but were later able to catch up to him where they said a fight ensued near West 109th Place and Budlong Avenue at about 3:30 p.m.
During the fight, deputies said the man punched one of them and dropped the clothes he was holding in his hand which were concealing a black handgun, prompting both deputies to fire their weapons.
The man was shot several times, though it was not immediately clear where on his body he was shot. No deputies were injured in the shooting.
The investigation into the shooting is ongoing.
Here we go again…
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Code violation while riding a bike
You must comply with the police officer or they are allowed to shoot you
Thank them for their service
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He didnt comply with police.
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Quote from Chirorad84
Code violation while riding a bike
You must comply with the police officer or they are allowed to shoot you
Thank them for their service
[I]
During the fight, deputies said the man punched one of them and dropped the clothes he was holding in his hand which were concealing a black handgun, prompting both deputies to fire their weapons.[/I]More facts, less MSNBC.
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Quote from DICOM_Dan
listen to his interview with Laura Ingraham. Biden’s being controlled by people in the shadows who run the streets. Doesn’t elaborate on who other than someday he’ll tell Laura. Then he starts talking about a plane for of people in dark uniforms, almost sounds like the Bill Barr people who’ve been snatching people up. Than he goes onto describe shooting the guy 7 times in the back as like a whiff on a three foot putt. a “choke” I believe he said.
The democratic campaign strategy continues to crystalize:
– Let president trump talk as much as possible
– Keep Joe in his den and only bring him out for short appearances to deliver a few well rehearsed talking points
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Well, duh, if Trump keeps being his own worst enemy with his mouth and twit fingers, let him & don’t get in the way.
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Trumps refusal to condemn the Wisconsin shooter is the new Charlottesville
This is turning on him quickly
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That Charlottesville thing is a misquote and misattribution that will never die it seems.
[link=https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/08/fact-check-trump-very-fine-people.html]https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/08/fact-check-trump-very-fine-people.html[/link]
[link=https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/]https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/[/link]
[link=https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html[/link]-
Sure it is
Wow
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Sure it is
Wow
Been debunked over and over again. Just stop.-
No it hasnt
Your totally FOS
The entire country heard him it
Quit apologizing
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Listen to it. Read it. Do whatever you have to do but he didn’t and it’s been debunked over and over.
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No it hasnt
Quit apologizing
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A great grift in Kenosha: there is a girl there who said shed had a kid with the skateboard wielding criminal who was shot and killed. Said he was the kids dad, deeply in love, etc.
She set up a GoFundMe and got over $100k.
Turns out shed known and dated him for 4 weeks.
Not a bad haul, clipping Antifa supporters for 6 figures.
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