[ruszja]

The states have the power to decide these things. What is the problem ?
 
If states like California, FL and NY went to proportional allotment, Obama wouldn’t have stood a chance.

[kayla.meyer_144]

If everyone did proportional, Obama still would have won. Proportional only brings the college points closer to the actual vote percentage. But it is another example of Republicans trying to rig the elections in their favor, at least in Nebraska.
 
Here you go, fw, game the system in your favor.
 
[link=http://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/]http://www.270towin.com/a…ge-allocation-methods/[/link]
 
 

[odayjassim1978_476]

it just makes them look desperate and willing to do anything to silence a section of voters that don’t want them

Quote from Frumious

If everyone did proportional, Obama still would have won. Proportional only brings the college points closer to the actual vote percentage. But it is another example of Republicans trying to rig the elections in their favor, at least in Nebraska.

Here you go, fw, game the system in your favor.

[link=http://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/]http://www.270towin.com/a…ge-allocation-methods/[/link]

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

If everyone did proportional, Obama still would have won. Proportional only brings the college points closer to the actual vote percentage. But it is another example of Republicans trying to rig the elections in their favor, at least in Nebraska.

Here you go, fw, game the system in your favor.

[link=http://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/]http://www.270towin.com/a…ge-allocation-methods/[/link]

 
Your reference doesn’t support your claims.
 
Had the entire country switched to ‘congressional district popular’ (the model employed in ME and NE) our presidents name would be Romney.

[eyoab2011_711]

So now we are going to gerrymander the Presidency?

[ruszja]

Quote from Thor

So now we are going to gerrymander the Presidency?

Taking NE to winner takes all is going to reduce the effect of gerrymandering. The borders of states haven’t been redrawn in a while, congressional districts otoh can be manipulated every ten years. It would make sense to go to a direct popular vote, but that is not how either NE or MEs allottment process work.

[btomba_77]

[link]http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/[/link]
 
Something like the national popular vote compact is something I could support.
 
States make binding agreements among themselves to allot their electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Quote from fw

Quote from Frumious

If everyone did proportional, Obama still would have won. Proportional only brings the college points closer to the actual vote percentage. But it is another example of Republicans trying to rig the elections in their favor, at least in Nebraska.

Here you go, fw, game the system in your favor.

[link=http://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/]http://www.270towin.com/a…ge-allocation-methods/[/link]

Your reference doesn’t support your claims.

Had the entire country switched to ‘congressional district popular’ (the model employed in ME and NE) our presidents name would be Romney.

[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/us/politics/blue-dot-for-obama-prompts-red-nebraska-to-revisit-electoral-college-rules.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…ral-college-rules.html[/link]
 

[b]Nebraska is one of just two states, along with Maine, that do not award all their electoral voters to the statewide winner.[/b] And that meant that in 2008, [link=http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per]Barack Obama[/link] picked up an electoral vote from the congressional district around Omaha, even as Senator John McCain trounced him across the rest of the state.
 
[b]So this year, a longstanding proposal to change the states Electoral College system to winner-take-all[/b] may finally reach the Republican governors desk, amid a renewed push by conservative lawmakers hoping to have new rules in place for the 2016 presidential election.

 
Your argument does not hold up.
 

[ruszja]

Quote from Frumious

Your argument does not hold up.

Your argument was that Obama would have won no matter what algorithm is used and invited me to ‘play’ on the website you quoted. I did, and lo and behold, this is the results I found:
 
Current model (winner takes all except for NE and ME):
 
332 obama
206 Romney
 
All states ‘winner take all:
 
332 obama
206 Romney
 
All states ‘congressional district popular’ (the model that NE and ME use):
 
Obama 264
Romney 274
 
All states ‘congressional district majority’:
 
Obama 252
Romney 286
 
Proportional Popular:
 
Obama 282
Romney 255
Johnson 1
 
You are either delusional or stupid. If the entire country switched to the model of NE and ME, the presidents name would be Romney (or the result would be entirely different because people in states like NY, CA or IL who now stay home for presidential elections because their votes dont count would come out to vote).
 

[btomba_77]

That’s what upper Midwest voters want (mostly democrats)

[link=https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/09/ohio-and-other-great-lakes-voters-favor-ditching-the-electoral-college-poll-says.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=cleve_sf]https://www.cleveland.com…;utm_campaign=cleve_sf[/link]

[h1]Majority of Great Lakes voters favor ditching the Electoral College[/h1]
[link=https://www.bw.edu/Assets/stories/2020/fall/2020_glp_3%20final-1.pdf]https://www.bw.edu/Assets…20_glp_3%20final-1.pdf[/link]

“Do you believe presidential elections should be decided by the national popular vote or by the current Electoral College system?”

Yes: Between 52% and 56% (depending on which state)
No: Between 28% and 32%  (depending on which state)

But theres a marked partisan divide on the issue.
In every one of the states examined by the BW Great Lakes Poll, at least 70% of Democratic respondents said theyd prefer using the popular vote to select presidents rather than Electoral College system, which gives every state a number of electoral votes equal to its representation in Congress.

The idea was less popular among Republicans
Results of the latest poll on use of the electoral college didnt differ much from the last BW poll, which [link=https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/01/should-popular-vote-replace-electoral-college-voters-solidly-in-favor-of-move.html]asked voters the same questions in January[/link].
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[clickpenguin_460]

“Majority of Great Lakes voters don’t understand history, why we have the Electoral College, or why we are a republic and not a democracy.”
 
ftfy

[btomba_77]

I am sure that the vast majority of all voters on both sides of the issue can not articulate a discussion on the role the electoral college plays in our democracy.
 
But regardless of that, if the electorate comes to have a general sense that the whole thing is unfair for the majority of citizens, they will start looking for solutions, some potentially radical, to blow it up and make it fair again.
 
 

 
 

[btomba_77]

[h1]Winner-Take-All Proposal In Nebraska Draws Opposition[/h1] Opponents of returning Nebraska to a winner-take-all system of awarding Electoral College votes far outnumbered supporters at a legislative hearing, the [link=https://omaha.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/nebraska-sen-julie-slamas-winner-take-all-electoral-college-proposal-draws-opposition/article_7dd1354e-70b1-11eb-ac94-274b666122ec.html]Omaha World Herald[/link] reports.

But State Sen. Julie Slama was undaunted in her quest to undo a system that has been in place for nearly three decades and has survived 16 previous attempts to get rid of it.
 

[ruszja]

The reality is, nobody knows how elections would look like if we got rid of the electoral college. At this point, millions of republicans in gerrymandered democratic states like CA and MD stay home on election day as there is really no point to wasting a stamp. Large swaths of the country are completely ignored by political advertising as votes in ‘safe’ states are taken for granted. If all 52 states are in play for a national popular vote, it would change the entire map and the calculus on how money has to be spent and whose foibles have to be catered to.