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Seems Jacob Blake is no longer handcuffed to his bed in the hospital. I guess police decided he is not a flight risk?
Awfully decent of them.
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One of his ten lawyers probably posted bond on the warrant the cops came to serve when all this happened.
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[b]I was an FBI agent who infiltrated white supremacists. Too many local police dont take the far right seriously or actively sympathize[/b]
[link=https://www.theguardian.com/commenti…macists-police]https://www.theguardian.c…menti…macists-police[/link]
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A leaked 2015 counter-terrorism policy guide made the case more directly, warning agents that FBI domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.Quote:
white supremacists and far-right militants have committed far more attacks and killed more people in the US over the last 10 years than any foreign terrorist movement. The FBI regards them as the most lethal domestic terror threat. The need for national action is even more critical.–
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This is all getting pretty ridiculous. There’s peaceful protest and then there are people who are using those as a guise to stir $h1t up. Then you have idiots who feel that because they purchased an AR-15 they have and kind of perceived or actual power to do whatever the F they’re doing. All the while the POTUS doesn’t come out and just say knock the BS off. He almost revels in the threats. I’ll send in the national guard. Americans shooting Americans over politics. Pure dumb fudgery.
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This is all getting pretty ridiculous. There’s peaceful protest and then there are people who are using those as a guise to stir $h1t up. Then you have idiots who feel that because they purchased an AR-15 they have and kind of perceived or actual power to do whatever the F they’re doing. All the while the POTUS doesn’t come out and just say knock the BS off. He almost revels in the threats. I’ll send in the national guard. Americans shooting Americans over politics. Pure dumb fudgery.
Given that about 50% of the population will do exactly the opposite of whatever it is the president says, I dont see much of a loss in him not saying such a thing. He could say ‘eat more apples’ and we would have wall to wall coverage on CNN on how that is obviously racist and designed to kill the fructose intolerant.
The riots and the democratic mayors hapless response to them play into his entire ‘vote for me to stem the chaos’ narrative. Fix the riot problem and the Trump problem goes away.-
Interesting that the violent this past week has basically involved trump supporters at black life matter protests
Maybe if the trumpers stayed home nothing would happen
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Talk about apples and oranges examples.
Yes, advising eating apples is benign so who would care while cheerleading violence is not & yet 40% of the population thinks that is just grand and peachy.
Fix the Trump problem & you begin to address the “riot” problems.
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Interesting that the violent this past week has basically involved trump supporters at black life matter protests
Maybe if the trumpers stayed home nothing would happen
Dumb as it may be to support Trump, being wrong is protected under the first amendment.
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Universally the problem has been police kneeling on necks or shooting black guys in back as they run away
If support for thats antifa sign me up
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Universally the problem has been police kneeling on necks or shooting black guys in back as they run away
If support for thats antifa sign me up
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I think antifa actually opposes white nationalists KKK and anti semites
I really dont have a problem with antifa
I have a problem with white supremacy groups
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I think antifa actually opposes white nationalists KKK and anti semites
I really dont have a problem with antifa
I have a problem with white supremacy groups
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I think antifa actually opposes white nationalists KKK and anti semites
I really dont have a problem with antifa
I have a problem with white supremacy groups
I’ll put you down for the ‘pro civil war’ faction.-
I have a problem with white supremacy
If that puts me in the civil war faction
I will wear that badge of honor
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Fix the Trump problem & you begin to address the “riot” problems.
So the BLM riots didn’t happen when the chosen one ran the federal government ?
Questionable police killings are a local/state problem that needs local solutions. Boot the police unions out of the disciplinary process, improve training, universal cameras, fire troubled cops etc. It’ll take only a few decades.-
There were protest under Obama
But nothing like this
Remember the church shooting in South Carolina
Obama really defused that situation
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Who is your “chosen one?”
Oh yeah, that Black Guy?
[link=https://theweek.com/articles/928989/why-obama-still-drives-republicans-nuts]https://theweek.com/artic…rives-republicans-nuts[/link]
The problem is that the “local/state” problem of the police seems to be happening at multiple states at the same time.
I agree, break the police unions as a start.
Do you think Trump is up to encouraging that? I don’t.
I agree with your last sentence but there is more needed that has to be done. “Tear down that (blue) wall!” is also key.
Omerta and lying to protect the guilty is not how police should act.
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Ask yourself: do I look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters? Really?” ~ Joe Biden
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He doesn’t but the people controlling him/running the country with him and after him do.
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A Brooklyn cheer on that statement.
At least Biden will look for competence for his appointees and kissing the ring pledging personal loyalty to him will not be necessary. That’s a good change. We aren’t living in a personality cult autocracy yet, although Trump is trying.-
I don’t like either of the people either of them will have around them. I think you should be picking people who do not work in politics and try to find people who are apolitical for a Cabinet. Hiring the head of a housing charity for HUD, hiring the CEO of an Ag company for Agriculture, etc. I don’t like the political favor nonsense. For example, Secretary of State is a very difficult job and it’s been a bunch of terrible people doing it for a long time.
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So I don’t disagree about the circular doors. But like the Electoral College, that’s the system we have until laws are changed. And that said, very many government employees are dedicated workers.
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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0…eat-dhs-409236]https://www.politico.com/…020/0…eat-dhs-409236[/link]
White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.
Two later draft versions of the same document all of which were reviewed by POLITICO describe the threat from white supremacists in slightly different language. But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups.
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Totally. So many white supremacist acts over the last decades. Can’t remember any foreign terrorist attacks or any violent leftist riots at all.
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Oklahoma City
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Why the white supremacy apologist on aunt Minnie
Why?
Whats up with that?
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Okay one in the mid 90’s. Guess that’s what the DHS data must be based on.
I’m not apologizing for anyone. I just think that’s a strange assertion given the recent foreign terrorism and current leftist terrorism. Guess the white supremacists just talk a big game and get people nervous?-
[link=https://twitter.com/mollyfprince/status/1302256464740917248?s=21]https://twitter.com/molly…02256464740917248?s=21[/link]
For the folks who wonder why criminals get shot multiple times.
Looks like a job for a social worker...
https://t.co/XM6rBimft9— Molly (@mollyfprince) September 5, 2020
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I agree to some parts of your statement, Denver police, all you need to be is 21, have HS Diploma or a GED and can take the test. Outside Denver Jeffco, you can do the same thing however, your higher education puts you in front of the process. If you are an officer with a BS or BA, you will addressed as an Agent in title.
The officer who killed George Floyd has a bachelors in criminal justice. The african american rookie who effected the initial arrest has a bs in sociology.
It’s not the college degree those people were lacking, its competence.
The how did a higher educated law enforcement officer be allowed to continue working when they had so many infractions or run-ins in their past history. Who… allowed it continue? The Union? Again, the Mayor and City Board are the ones that oversee such city recourses. You could say that all the prior Mayors were.. Incompetent or Didn’t care about what was going on. But… the officer is responsible for his own actions. And therefore, if found guilty, will be sentenced like a citizen.
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The how did a higher educated law enforcement officer be allowed to continue working when they had so many infractions or run-ins in their past history.
If you police the rougher neighborhoods of town you are going to have to use force more frequently than if you work the leafy suburbs. The great majority of those complaints were closed as unfounded, some of them were for using ‘bad words’. I have no way of telling whether 18 complaints (2 sustained) in 19 years of inner city policing is a bad record.
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I have no way of telling whether 18 complaints (2 sustained) in 19 years of inner city policing is a bad record.
Me neither. Could be a “bad cop” could be just working a rough beat. Kind of like looking at the number of times a radiologist has been named in litigation and trying to asses their how good/bad a rad they are based on that.
For me I just want daylight.
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The how did a higher educated law enforcement officer be allowed to continue working when they had so many infractions or run-ins in their past history.
If you police the rougher neighborhoods of town you are going to have to use force more frequently than if you work the leafy suburbs. The great majority of those complaints were closed as unfounded, some of them were for using ‘bad words’. I have no way of telling whether 18 complaints (2 sustained) in 19 years of inner city policing is a bad record.
Interesting, I did not know that about him. Then their follow up was shotty or he actually was cleared properly. But for now.. he did a bad thing.
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Interesting, I did not know that about him. Then their follow up was shotty or he actually was cleared properly. But for now.. he did a bad thing.
Oh, no question, what he did on video that day, was awful, and no this was not covered under the ‘maximum restraint technique’ allowable under his departments policy. Floyd was being an a-hole and squirming when they tried to load him into the squad car, but at the point when he was on the ground, he wasn’t actively resisting and not a threat to the officers or himself.
The problem I have is with him (and the department) being demonized based on a history ’18 complaints’ and the fact that he had been involved in a fatal shooting. You can’t compare the work of a city cop in a place like Minneapolis, Baltimore or Oakland, CA with the ‘average’ police officer. The fact that 16 of the complaints were closed without as much as a letter of reprimand, suggests that either the cities complaint resolution process is messed up, or that he in fact was not a ‘bad cop’.
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I wonder if BLM knows Antifa was allied with Hitler and helped him come to power. It feels as if that would be a source of tension, given BLM’s focus on history. Does Antifa owe reparations to anyone who lost a family member or property to Nazi Germany?
Hmm. Chiro keeps saying his relatives were Antifa and Hitler supporters. I wonder if he now owes us reparations.
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[h1][b]Cop Killer Was Part of Right-Wing Boogaloo Movement[/b][/h1]
The FBI announced that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd, [link=https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/16/accused-killer-of-california-cops-was-associated-with-right-wing-boogaloo-movement/#40f46fdb59bd]Forbes[/link] reports.
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[link=https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/516888-wray-says-racially-motivated-violent-extremism-makes-up-most-of-fbis]Wray: Racially motivated violent extremism makes up most of FBI’s domestic terrorism cases[/link]
[b]”People subscribing to some kind of white supremacist type ideology is certainly the biggest chunk”[/b]
BI Director Christopher Wray told lawmakers Thursday that racially motivated violent extremism cases account for the bulk of the bureau’s work on domestic terrorist threats.
Testifying before the House Homeland Security Committee, Wray also said most of the racially motivated cases deal with white supremacists.
“Within the domestic terrorism bucket, the category as a whole, racially motivated violent extremism is, I think, the biggest bucket within that larger group. And within the racially motivated violent extremist bucket, people subscribing to some kind of white supremacist type ideology is certainly the biggest chunk of that,” he said.
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Crickets from the aunt Minnie Q-Anon
Crowd
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He said racially motivated anarchist extremists. Sounds like he was talking about Antifa. Makes sense since they are mostly white. Thanks for this kpack!
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“Antifa is a real thing. It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement, or an ideology may be one way of thinking of it,” Wray said.
FBI Director Chris Wray made clear that Antifa is not a made-up, right-wing conspiracy theory and that the FBI has cases involving those connected to it.“And we have quite a number — and I’ve said this quite consistently since my first time appearing before this committee — we have any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists and some of those individuals self-identify with Antifa.”
Yes. Agreed.
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Antifa is real
But its way way way way overblown especially compared to white supremacy groups
Its not even close
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Antifa is real
But its way way way way overblown especially compared to white supremacy groups
Its not even close
I was under the impression that every organization with white people in charge or in leadership is considered white supremacist, including the papacy?-
Bill Barr is labelling places like Portland Anarchy Jurisdictions. This is to withhold money from what I can tell. Double Secret Probation.
[link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/politics/doj-anarchy-jurisdictions/index.html]https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/politics/doj-anarchy-jurisdictions/index.html[/link]-
[b]Pro-Trump Activists Plotted Violence Ahead of Rallies[/b][/h1]
Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend, [link=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts]The Guardian[/link] reports.-
[link=https://twitter.com/EzraNBC/status/1311135496333135873?s=20]https://twitter.com/EzraNBC/status/1311135496333135873?[/link]
“Proud Boys in social media groups are going wild about the “Stand back and stand by” comment. They are basically seeing it as acknowledgment and a call to arms”
(Trump’s clear refusal to condemn white supremacy also the lead debate headline for NBC news)Proud Boys in social media groups are going wild about the "Stand back and stand by" comment. They are basically seeing it as acknowledgment and a call to arms
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“I think he misspoke. I think he should correct it. If he doesn’t correct it, I guess he didn’t misspeak.”
~ Sen. Tim Scott (R) on Trump’s shout out to the “Proud Boys” to “stand back and stand by.” during the first Presidential debate.-
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“I think he misspoke. I think he should correct it. If he doesn’t correct it, I guess he didn’t misspeak.”
~ Sen. Tim Scott (R) on Trump’s shout out to the “Proud Boys” to “stand back and stand by.” during the first Presidential debate.
How many hours until there will be a statement ‘he didn’t hear the question’.
And the follow-up question.
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“I think he misspoke. I think he should correct it. If he doesn’t correct it, I guess he didn’t misspeak.”
~ Sen. Tim Scott (R) on Trump’s shout out to the “Proud Boys” to “stand back and stand by.” during the first Presidential debate.
How many hours until there will be a statement ‘he didn’t hear the question’.
And the follow-up question.
Looks like the WH response is all over the place …
Peter Navarro is going with “Trump was just about to do it, but Chris Wallace cut him off.”
“I dont think that theres anything to clarify.” ~White House communications director Alyssa Farah
“He wants them to get out of the way. He wants them to not do the things they say they want to do.” ~ Hogan Gidley
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Looks like the WH response is all over the place …
Peter Navarro is going with “Trump was just about to do it, but Chris Wallace cut him off.”
“I dont think that theres anything to clarify.” ~White House communications director Alyssa Farah
“He wants them to get out of the way. He wants them to not do the things they say they want to do.” ~ Hogan Gidley
That’s what happens if you are incapable of hiring qualified communications staff.
The only saving grace is that it is wholly irrelevant what the staff says because Trumpybear will come out with a full throated defense of whatever dumb shit he said. ‘Of course I like Nazis, there are good Nazis, you know, tremendous.’
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Biden posted a message calling Rittenhouse a white supremacist. Hes not.
It probably wont matter to the election, but the DNC/Biden campaign is getting sued by the same lawyer for this that got Sandmann his hundreds of millions.
So that will be fun.
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Serious questions..
Are all Republicans racist in the eyes of the Dems no matter what?
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Serious questions..
Are all Republicans racist in the eyes of the Dems no matter what?
Are all people who vote for Trump racist in the eyes of the Dems no matter what?
I’ll rake you at word that you really pose a serious question.
So I’ll answer simply first: No.
That said it is absolutely true that white with racial animus are drawn to Donald Trump in a particular kind of way. And right now Donald Trump is the Republican party.
I’ll give you an assessment of my RL friends/family who I know to be Republican and voting Trump
1) My sister – Born again evangelical. Very much wants to see religion a large part of American public life. Believes the US should be led by a Chrisitan and only a christian. I do not consider her a racist nor to have negative racial views.
2) My buddy “Jimmy” – Eastern european immigrant. All things “Left” are bad. The left destoryed his native land and to elect a Democrat means the US will be a communist dictatorship soon after. Is he an overt racist? No. Does he harbor animus toward non-whites? You betcha.
3 My buddy “Earl” – A man’s man. Macho. Likes guns … a lot. He’s 2A. He’s also a CFO for a small business. He wants guns and low taxes. Is he an overy racist? Not exactly… but he absolutely has very negative views of Muslims and Mexicans.
4) My buddy “William” – Republican for multiple generations. Daughter works for the GOP on occasion. Likes low taxes… in public is steadfastly non-political (on conversation etc). I have never heard him say or imply something that would make believe he is racist.
5) My friend “james” – Career federal law enforcement. Supports cops no matter what. He is an overt racist. We don’t really spend time together since Trump … he really came out of the closet on the racial animus.
So, no #notallRepublicans .
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I was being serious and thanks for the case studies.
My wife and her family are similar to #2 as her Dad came from Yugoslavia when he was in his 20s. They are the most fervent Trump supporters I know but not racist.
I guess I would say I’m closest to no. 4? I hate big government and taxes, want a strong military/police force, and want to reign in spending (waste more importantly).
I just wanted to know that not all liberal people are labeling me racist. I’ve been called it many times in the past 3 years and it’s starting to bug me a lot.
I guess the only thing I disagree with you is that both parties have a racist problem. The Republicans with white supremacy and the Dems with anti-white rhetoric. It comes back to whether or not you think you can be racist against whites, I guess. It was one reason why I thought Wallace was biased last night. He framed the critical race theory question as Trump shutting down a benign racial sensitivity training but that is not what CRT is at all. There’s a big difference between the nice diversity videos and things we watch every year for the hospital and CRT. -
Cubsfan,
Serious answer, no and no. And what dergon wrote, I agree, Trump has made racism & other disagreeable hates out of the closet like fundamentalist religious views including anti-gay animus as part of GOP mainstream along with other nut-job reactionary ideas like John Birch & Q-anon. You cant look at the GOP & easily separate those extremist views.
Now my serious questions, how much of Republican support is really animus against so-called elites like scientists & other knowledge based professions? & how much is support just about making Liberal tears? & do you really believe that everything Democrats is Socialism & bent on Communist dictatorship & creating dependence on government?
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2) My buddy “Jimmy” – Eastern european immigrant. All things “Left” are bad. The left destoryed his native land and to elect a Democrat means the US will be a communist dictatorship soon after. Is he an overt racist? No. Does he harbor animus toward non-whites? You betcha.
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2) My buddy “Jimmy” – Eastern european immigrant. All things “Left” are bad. The left destoryed his native land and to elect a Democrat means the US will be a communist dictatorship soon after. Is he an overt racist? No. Does he harbor animus toward non-whites? You betcha.
Opposing the socialist takeover racism.
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Ive known a number of Russians, Ukrainians & Eastern Europeans in my life & most share dergons example of most being Republican for reasons dergon wrote. I cannot say however that they have made me aware of racial animus, in NYC, we have a very broad mix of people from around the world, many who are non-white, many from sh1t-hole countries, who range from aides, techs, physicians, etc. The times people shared their racial animus with me was some Italian-American techs at different times/ years talking about how they were taking over. That was in the Bronx & Jersey City hospitals & because I am a blond & blue-eyed white man they assumed I shared their views.
However I do not know if they were ever Republicans.
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Perhaps how I wrote it wasn’t clear …
Those are two different viewpoints that he holds
1)He opposes socialism
2) He doesn’t have a good opinion of brown people
Spelled out that way, it makes more sense.
That is btw. an opinion he shares with many immigrants of all skin colors. Ask some working class west africans what they think about the native population. If they can speak freely, you may get your feelings hurt.-
Trump on the WH lawn right now saying he doesnt know who the Proud Boys are.
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Despite telling them to stand by last night
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Trump on the WH lawn right now saying he doesnt know who the Proud Boys are.
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Kilmeade Urges Trump to Take Some Time Today to Clarify His White Supremacist Statement
[link=https://www.mediaite.com/tv/kilmeade-urges-trump-to-take-some-time-today-to-clarify-his-white-supremacist-statement/]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/kilmeade…ist-statement/[/link]
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You mean that many Africans or Caribbean Blacks do not hold many African-Americans in high esteem.
But is that racist animus? I dont think that applies.
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[b]White House/ DHS Instructed Federal Officials to make favorable statements about Right Wing Terrorist Kyle Rittenhouse[/b]
Federal law enforcement officials were directed to make public comments sympathetic to [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-accused-shooting-2-kenosha-protesters-fighting-extradition-wisconsin-face-n1241070]Kyle Rittenhouse[/link], the teenager charged with fatally shooting two protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, according to internal Department of Homeland Security talking points obtained by NBC News.
In preparing Homeland Security officials for questions about Rittenhouse from the media, the document suggests that they note that he “took his rifle to the scene of the rioting to help defend small business owners.”
Another set of talking points distributed to Homeland Security officials said the media were incorrectly labeling the group Patriot Prayer as racists after clashes erupted between the group and protesters in Portland, Oregon.
It is unclear whether any of the talking points originated at the White House or within Homeland Security’s own press office.
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[link=https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-trump-video-colorado-rally-1535645]https://www.newsweek.com/…colorado-rally-1535645[/link]
Proud Boys Members Appear in Official Trump Campaign Video
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“Stop deflecting. Stop blaming the media. I’m tired of it.”
[link=https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1311737752560586752]https://twitter.com/BGrue…us/1311737752560586752[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/519245-dilbert-creator-scott-adams-blasts-trumps-white-supremacist]’Dilbert’ creator Scott Adams blasts Trump’s white supremacist answer: ‘He screwed me'[/link]
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[b]Trump Finally Condemns All White Supremacists [/b]
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President Trump condemned all White supremacists Thursday evening after pointedly refusing to do so at Tuesdays presidential debate and in the days since, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/trump-proud-boys-white-supremacists/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29]CNN[/link] reports.
I condemn the KKK, I condemn all White supremacists, I condemn the Proud Boys. I dont know much about the Proud Boys, almost nothing, but I condemn that.
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