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DHS report: Concern for Right Wing Domestic terrorism in the US
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/terror-threat-homeland-security/[/url]
“Sovereign citizen” attack a concern to the DHS.
A new intelligence assessment, circulated by the Department of Homeland Security this month and reviewed by CNN, focuses on the domestic terror threat from right-wing sovereign citizen extremists and comes as the Obama administration holds a White House conference to focus efforts to fight violent extremism.
The government says these are extremists who believe that they can ignore laws and that their individual rights are under attack in routine daily instances such as a traffic stop or being required to obey a court order.The report adds that “law enforcement officers will remain the primary target of (sovereign citizen) violence over the next year due to their role in physically enforcing laws and regulations.”
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Not all terrorists are Muslims?
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No, just 99.9%
Keep hanging on to the randoms.
You call it workplace violence when it doesn’t fit your world view. Also, honor killings have happened in the United States, and not just 1. That’s not islamic, I’m sure, Frumious, even though it’s codified in Shari’a.
I’m sure you forgot all about the man in buffalo that beheaded his wife. Yes, the one that had a interfaith dialogue and tv channel dedicated to the “misunderstanding” of other religions and to combat stereotypes. Seems he was “islamophobic”
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/nyregion/18behead.html?_r=0]http://www.nytimes.com/20…ion/18behead.html?_r=0[/link]-
Let’s not worry about the jihadist Muslim extremists who are threatening to blow up shopping centers, we are going to worry about the grandmother with a copy of the U S Constitution at the Tea Party rally.
Have we lost all sense in this country? Is this crap really coming from DHS and DOJ? Is this some type of sick mind bending exercise?
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I guess for people that don’t think there can be home grown terrorist, google Timothy McVeigh.
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Let’s not worry about the jihadist Muslim extremists who are threatening to blow up shopping centers, we are going to worry about the grandmother with a copy of the U S Constitution at the Tea Party rally.
Have we lost all sense in this country? Is this crap really coming from DHS and DOJ? Is this some type of sick mind bending exercise?
Walk and chew gum at the same time, Alda.
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[link=https://www.lawfareblog.com/incels-americas-newest-domestic-terrorism-threat]https://www.lawfareblog.com/incels-americas-newest-domestic-terrorism-threat
Incels: Americas Newest Domestic Terrorism Threat[/link]
“Alongside the far-right and Islamist homegrown violent extremists, incels conform to an increasingly pervasive trend of terrorist attacks perpetrated by individuals without any connection to an existing organization with known leaders and an identifiable command-and-control structure. It is part of a broader rise of domestic terrorism threatsand needs to be taken equally seriously by law enforcement and the counterterrorism community before the movement continues to grow in size and threat.”________
and from north of the border …
[link=https://globalnews.ca/news/7021882/rcmp-incel-terrorism-guide/]https://globalnews.ca/news/7021882/rcmp-incel-terrorism-guide/[/link]
[h1]RCMP adding incels to terrorism awareness guide[/h1] In a statement, the police force said it categorized incel attacks as a form of violent extremism.It also said it was in the process of amending its Terrorism and Violent Extremism Awareness Guide, which currently makes no mention of incels.
The guide is currently being updated and will very likely include mention of incel as an example of ideologically motivated violent extremism, the RCMP statement said.
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SO one of these militia type groups decided they’d be out on patrol protecting property last night in Kenosha WI. 2 people shot dead with a 3rd in critical condition. In my mind these are extra judicial killings. Whomever(s) pulled the trigger needs to have the book thrown at them.
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How about no militias and no rioters? Can we agree on that?
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Sorry, SC’s are just like Anti-Fa’s and Radical BLM’s. Actually, I see them more as Leftist Gorillas. Why? they don’t want to follow any governmental laws, respect the law of the land and… feel that any property is theirs for the taking but you can’t take theirs. Just like house squatters. Sound a little familiar? It’s a left wing fake news story. It’s a set up. Watch some of the SC Videos on You Tube. It smells of Radical Leftism to the core. Nice Try. I get the feeling you all think they are just White people. Watch the Videos.
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How about no militias and no rioters? Can we agree on that?
I wish. Even CNN is now panicking over the riots.
My left-leaning friends don’t understand. They think Trump is the apex of everything. What they don’t realize is that if things keep going the way they are, there will be an ascendance of the type of right-wing leader that will have them calling Trump a centrist in retrospect.
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SO one of these militia type groups decided they’d be out on patrol protecting property last night in Kenosha WI. 2 people shot dead with a 3rd in critical condition. In my mind these are extra judicial killings. Whomever(s) pulled the trigger needs to have the book thrown at them.
[link=https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/26/21402571/kenosha-guard-shooting-facebook-deplatforming-militia-violence]https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/26/21402571/kenosha-guard-shooting-facebook-deplatforming-militia-violence[/link]
[blockquote] The killing of two protestors in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Tuesday night may have emerged in response to a Facebook event posted by a self-described militia, which referred to the event as a call to arms.
The event was also promoted by Infowars, which posted a screenshot of the Facebook event listing.
In a post Tuesday afternoon, the Kenosha Guard Facebook group encouraged an armed response to the ongoing unrest. Any patriots willing to take up arms and defend our city tonight from the evil thugs? the post reads. No doubt they are currently planning on the next part of the city to burn tonight.
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I dont understand
If trump has been president for three and 2/3 years
And protests are bigger and nastier at any point since the late 1960s
How exactly is more of trump going to make the protests better?
Maybe he is part of the problem?
How many years does he need to fix it ?
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My right leaning friends cant understand that
For some reason
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Maybe just maybe if police would stop kneeling in the neck of black men who are pretty much begging for them to stop or maybe just maybe if police would stop shooting unarmed black guys in back
Maybe the protests would stop
Just food for thought for the FOX need types
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Maybe just Maybe, it Left Wing Mayors kept up with their Police department and overviewed their forces, AND had a pulse on their city, AND got rid of bad cops with a history of insubordination maybe, just maybe, this would have not happened. Or should the crime be against the individual themselves vs the management? You tell me?
Curious, what makes anyone think that by resisting an officer, or not following his commands, won’t get you into further trouble? Unless… you have a record. If you’re clean… they let you go.
Is the Cop Guilty or the previous Democratic Mayors guilty since they had a subpar police officer in the field who was training rookies during the incident at the same time?
You mean the Rioting correct? The destruction by white antifarts claiming to be fight’n for the cause of the black race are not protesting… they are rioting and assisting in destroying black neighborhoods and their businesses. Now those M’Fr’s are racists. Let’s get the context correct shall we?
Thanks for Cnn’splain’n it to us Chiro.
I’m sure you must have a right wing Trump supporter in your neighborhood who you feel must be a racists. Please call and let your local BLM Chapter know about it and let them come to your neighborhood and take care of it!!!! No? I though so…-
You dont understand, kpack. Im not rooting for it, Im warning about it.
People think that opening the door to chaos might help them get votes or score political points. They have lived in a relatively untroubled and free society all their lives.
They have no idea what monsters lay beyond that door theyve so irresponsibly cracked open.
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It’s funny how anyone could believe Biden will “fix” this. The problem predates Trump. These rioters are not impressed with Democrats any more than they are with Republicans and they will happily demand the head or job of any politician that bends the knee. The Democrats foolishly tipped their hands that they don’t have the stomach to push back, because cause it polled well. Now, 3 months later Don Lemon suddenly realizes oh wow this may look bad for them. LOL. Too late, they are not afraid of you any more.
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It’s funny how anyone could believe Biden will “fix” this. The problem predates Trump. These rioters are not impressed with Democrats any more than they are with Republicans and they will happily demand the head or job of any politician that bends the knee. The Democrats foolishly tipped their hands that they don’t have the stomach to push back, because cause it polled well. Now, 3 months later Don Lemon suddenly realizes oh wow this may look bad for them. LOL. Too late, they are not afraid of you any more.
I can give you an example. Cleveland Police signed a descent decree after some of the shenanigans going on here. Trump has all but done away with consent decrees by the DOJ. Biden could change that easily via policy and competent DOJ leadership.
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Maybe just maybe instead of thanking these hooppies for their service
We would hold them accountable for their actions this would stop
Also did you ever notice how in nearly all of these cases its usually local police sheriff or city cops
Its rarely the state police
Reason for that is the state police are better educated and trained
Most of these local hooopies are just mall cop wannabes
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Maybe just maybe instead of thanking these hooppies for their service
We would hold them accountable for their actions this would stop
Also did you ever notice how in nearly all of these cases its usually local police sheriff or city cops
Its rarely the state police
Reason for that is the state police are better educated and trained
Most of these local hooopies are just mall cop wannabes
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This has all exploded on trumps watch
What has he done to make it better?
Why would anyone think 4 more years of the same would make it better?
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[b][i]This has all exploded on trumps watch[/i][/b]
[b][i]What has he done to make it better?[/i][/b]
Really only on Trump’s watch? What did Obama do about Ferguson, Falcon Heights, Baton Rouge, and Baltimore? I think your time line is a little off. If Obama acted perhaps we wouldn’t be where we are? Why didn’t Obama fix it instead of talking about the so called police bias but did nothing.
You want this issue fixed? Its really very easy. The fix is one word. COMPLY. That is what is common in almost everyone of these shootings. The failure to comply.-
Failure to comply is *not* grounds for extra-judicial killing by law enforcement.
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Failure to comply in almost every one of these cases is the exact cause. I did not say it was grounds I said it was the fix.
Very easy for you to hide behind the keyboard and posting when you have no idea what these cops go through. Do you work in an environment where everyone you come in contact with has to be looked at as a immediate violent potential threat to your life? Should it happen? No. Will it keep happening when they are confronted w people that do not comply? Yes.-
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT-djBJimkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT-djBJimkM[/link]
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Maybe just maybe instead of thanking these hooppies for their service
We would hold them accountable for their actions this would stop
Also did you ever notice how in nearly all of these cases its usually local police sheriff or city cops
Its rarely the state police
Reason for that is the state police are better educated and trained
Most of these local hooopies are just mall cop wannabes
You mean you don’t want to thank any of the other 99.9% Good, Community sharing, law enforcement officers? If you going to manage people, then manage them and take ownership. That… is the Mayors Job.
Are all Chiro’s moral and ethical? I’m sure there a few of you who are a little perverted, racists and sexist. Let me follow your thought here and not Thank my Chiropractor for a Job well done. Most Chiro’s are wannabe Orthopods anyway right?
Sounds like you got caught and was smart ass to an officer in the past. Victim?-
If someone kneeled on my sons neck or shot him in the back
I guarantee you Id do more than protest
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Like what, kpack?
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Trump called the Wisconsin governor. After refusing help yesterday, the governor changed his mind.
Federal law enforcement and National Guard coming to Wisconsin.
Shooter arrested and charged with first degree homicide.
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If someone kneeled on my sons neck or shot him in the back
I guarantee you Id do more than protest
I agree with you in the events that happened. Even though he had a history of violent crime (assault and armed robbery, pointing a gun at pregnant ladies abdomen) and served 5 years in Houston. He was subdued. He finally surrendered. I believed he was handcuffed. Since you would do more than protest, you would then break the law correct? You mean, you would make everyone else pay that is not related to the case because of your anger. But not blame the individual or the management? Typical Bolshevik mentality. I would make the individual pay who did this to my son, then go after the management that allowed this type of action in the public. Then, I’d sue. Then, I’d fight for changes to improve such as… replace the 50 year Democratic Mayoral existence of Minneapolis. Bottom line, he was subdued. there was no need to be on his neck. Who’s to blame then? Individual or Management? Management drives culture.
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SO one of these militia type groups decided they’d be out on patrol protecting property last night in Kenosha WI. 2 people shot dead with a 3rd in critical condition. In my mind these are extra judicial killings. Whomever(s) pulled the trigger needs to have the book thrown at them.
[link=https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/26/21402571/kenosha-guard-shooting-facebook-deplatforming-militia-violence]https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/26/21402571/kenosha-guard-shooting-facebook-deplatforming-militia-violence[/link]
[blockquote]The killing of two protestors in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Tuesday night may have emerged in response to a Facebook event posted by a self-described militia, which referred to the event as a call to arms.
The event was also promoted by Infowars, which posted a screenshot of the Facebook event listing.
In a post Tuesday afternoon, the Kenosha Guard Facebook group encouraged an armed response to the ongoing unrest. Any patriots willing to take up arms and defend our city tonight from the evil thugs? the post reads. No doubt they are currently planning on the next part of the city to burn tonight.
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It’s basically stirring the port more and I don’t see what right they have to go police public or private properties. Not that rioting and burning things down is better. This is just throwing a match in the powder keg. It’s just a matter of time before we get protesters also carrying ARs (I’ve already seen pictures) and a lot of people are gonna get shot up.
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Before trump this was an occasional occurrence that burned itself out quickly and was handled by a quiet cooperation
We have been having nightly protests and some rioting now for 4 months
It hasnt been this bad in my lifetime
Every prior president did their best to lay low calm tensions and help
Trump goes and throws gasoline on it and inflames every situation dividing state local and federal leaders every step of the way
Basically he just makes the situation worse
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And again
You look at most of the police who do this
High school education or less
Rarely do you see a state police officer doing this crazy stuff
They are better trained than these yocal half wit hoopies with a badge they get from their second cousin twice removed
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You asked what did Trump do to make it better? I’m asking you what did Obama do because he had the riots on his watch. To date Trump did the same as Obama. Nothing.
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Obama defused the situation and they ended in short order
Trump inflames them and they get larger and spread
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For that matter so did George W Bush and so did Bill Clinton
They all had these outbursts but they defused them and ended them quickly
Leadership is better than chaos
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“Obama defused the situation and they ended in short order”
Very hard to diffuse the situation when the local government doesn’t want it diffused because they saw it as a winnable campaign issue. Notice, the exact moment the polls comes out saying this is looking bad for Dems and the tune changes.
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Obama met with both sides of the Ferguson situation
It ended pretty quickly
Trump just makes it worse and incites both sides
What makes you think 4 more years of trump will make this somehow miraculously better?
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Trumper shot 2 innocent people in Wisconsin last night
The Illinois man suspected of killing two people and wounding a third during confrontations in Kenosha on Tuesday night is now jailed in Lake County, Illinois.
Court records show Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was charged there as a fugitive from justice on a homicide charge from Kenosha
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He claimed he was defending Merica from antifa
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Much of Rittenhouses Facebook page is devoted to praising law enforcement, with references to Blue Lives Matter, a movement that supports police. He also can be seen holding an assault rifle.
Other photographs include those of badges of various law enforcement agencies, including the Chicago Police Department.-
Self-defense. You watch.
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Yes he was protecting himself from antifa
He felt threatened
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I cannot speak to the feeling threatened but if you are physically attacking someone toting an assault rifle it’s going to go bad for one of you.
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One rioter bashed him over the head with a skateboard and another rioter charged him while holding a pistol and pointing it at him. Rittenhouse shot them both.
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How about people just stop breaking the law. That would be cool.
Serious question – How exactly are cops supposed to stop criminals who resist? What is an acceptable way to stop them to the Left?-
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How about people just stop breaking the law. That would be cool.
Serious question – How exactly are cops supposed to stop criminals who resist? What is an acceptable way to stop them to the Left?
Exactly. The way to destroy Antifa completely is simple.
Have an Antifa leader(s) on TV and interview them. Ask: what does the world you want look like?
Note that CNN and MSNBC won’t do this very simple thing, yet. All it is is the truth, and the Antifa members are easy to find. But…no interviews.-
Careful what you wish for trumpers
The other side will fight back
This aint no internet and it aint no reality show
Thats pretty much all I gots to say
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Careful what you wish for trumpers
The other side will fight back
This aint no internet and it aint no reality show
Thats pretty much all I gots to say
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Careful what you wish for trumpers
The other side will fight back
This aint no internet and it aint no reality show
Thats pretty much all I gots to say
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Biden already solved this “Just try to shoot them in the leg” aka Lethal weapon style. Then much like in Lethal Weapon, procedure to get your a$$ whupped by a pissed off criminal.
[link]https://youtu.be/ZkiZ0KJYQpg[/link]
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I liked the media trying to sell the wounded guy as a “street medic” with actual footage of him charging with handgun in hand. Handguns being very useful for stopping bleeding as we all know.
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I liked the media trying to sell the wounded guy as a “street medic” with actual footage of him charging with handgun in hand. Handguns being very useful for stopping bleeding as we all know.
Handguns can stop bleeding. The hard way. Which is what the rioter intended to do to Rittenhouse before half his pistol-wielding arm was blown off.
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Careful what you wish for trumpers
The other side will fight back
This aint no internet and it aint no reality show
Thats pretty much all I gots to say
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You do realize that its your radical leftist comrades
initiating all the violence. Your buddy F’d with the wrong
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I wonder if the radical trumper 17 yr old was licensed to carry an assault weapon in a state he find not live in
Interesting
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The Trumper will have his day in court and
be prosecuted if his act is deemed criminal.
You posted: “Trumper shot 2 innocent people in Wisconsin last night”.
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So wait
You trumpers are making an excuse for a 17 yr old carrying an assault rifle to an otherwise peaceful protest
He was attacked?
Did he legally own the gun and was he licensed to carry it in another state
Well considering he is 17. Id say no and no
The excuses you trumpers make are comical
Be careful what you wish for
There are more of them than you realize and they are not afraid of you
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Im a 12 yr Air Force veteran graduated from the Air Force academy
Please dont lecture me about the military
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And
Im a 12 yr Air Force veteran graduated from the Air Force academy
Please dont lecture me about the military
The internet is fun. You can make up your wildest fantasy in a few keystrokes……..
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“You trumpers are making an excuse for a 17 yr old carrying an assault rifle to an otherwise peaceful protest
He was attacked?”
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What is the trolling aspect
He had an assault rifle
He is 17
What was he doing there with an assault rifle
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Well if you are going to actually see videos of him being attacked and videos of buildings being burnt down and citizens being assaulted and play the MSNBC gaslighting game “this was all just a peaceful protest!” then you are trolling, or mentally gone.
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These conversations are always crazy to me. These people are breaking the law and being violent and yet the media narrative and the blame is always trying to fall on those who are out trying to be normal/not break the law/protect the law.
How about criminals stop rioting, being violent, robbing people, etc.
I bet cops wouldn’t kneel on any necks, shoot anyone, etc. if people stopped their criminal behavior.
How about focusing on why these people keep breaking the law (and no I don’t mean black people when I say that before I get called racist again. I mean all criminals/rioters/violent people, etc.)
The issue to me is that a certain group of people within the Democratic party don’t believe in criminals or punishing them at all because their crimes are justified by some way of racism or something.-
Cubsfan – Not sure what you are referring to. There has been no violent criminal behavior. No looting. Didn’t you hear when Jerrold Nadler assured us it was just a Republican myth?
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Kpack
PM me your DD214. Black out the personally identifying information.
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Cubsfan – Not sure what you are referring to. There has been no violent criminal behavior. No looting. Didn’t you hear when Jerrold Nadler assured us it was just a Republican myth?
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Kenosha Shooter Was Front Row at Trump Rally[/h1]
[link=https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally]BuzzFeed News[/link]: The law enforcementobsessed 17-year-old who was charged with shooting and killing two people and injuring another in Kenosha, Wisconsin, during protests for Jacob Blake appeared in the front row at a Donald Trump rally in January. -
[b]https://tinyurl.com/y6au45xp[/b]
“Even [link=https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/illinois-teen-charged-homicide-kenosha-protest-case/5633334002/]Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old militia member who has been arrested and is facing a homicide charge in the matter[/link], could carry the assault-style rifle, according to John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases.” -
Radgrinder
pM me your Social security number and black out your name
Then I will send you my D/C papers
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Kenosha Shooter Was Front Row at Trump Rally
[link=https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally]BuzzFeed News[/link]: The law enforcementobsessed 17-year-old who was charged with shooting and killing two people and injuring another in Kenosha, Wisconsin, during protests for Jacob Blake appeared in the front row at a Donald Trump rally in January.
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Nope. List your service medals. Should be quite a few.
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Social security number please?
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My social security number is personally identifying.
A list of service medals is not. It merely indicates that youre telling the truth about being a veteran, and not some pathetic waste of a human being who needs to steal the valor of heroes in an attempt to obtain credibility on an Internet forum.
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So wait
You trumpers are making an excuse for a 17 yr old carrying an assault rifle to an otherwise peaceful protest
He was attacked?
Did he legally own the gun and was he licensed to carry it in another state
Well considering he is 17. Id say no and no
The excuses you trumpers make are comical
Be careful what you wish for
There are more of them than you realize and they are not afraid of you
Um, nobody is making an excuse for anyone. I believe he is in custody. I don’t know
what happened. You don’t know what happened. But in typical kpack style you have
tried and convicted without knowing anything at all. Sounds like you were at the scene
since you know all the facts.
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I wonder if the radical trumper 17 yr old was licensed to carry an assault weapon in a state he find not live in
Interesting
In WI, its just a rifle, it doesn’t assault or style anyone.
Now he was too young to carry it outside of a legitimate hunting or target shooting situation, but other than that, there is no licensing to carry a long gun.
You may have seen a different video, but all I could find was a clip of some antifa chasing and firebombing the idiot kid until he turned and shot them. In the second video, he is on the ground being attacked when he shoots back. Him carrying a weapon he probably wasn’t allow to carry doesn’t abrogate his right to defend himself.
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You mean all the other “anti-antifa” people who did not bring guns all…what? Were attacked and fled with no casualties? They were attacked and hurt “by Antifa,” but no one talks about all of them in the hospitals for deaths and injuries “from Antifa?”
All it shows is that if you are going to bring a gun you just might try to find a reason to use it.
So the problem was that no “good” Antifa had a gun to deal with this boy in the way he wanted?
so you cannot protest police gunning down unarmed people, shooting them in the back without being accused of being “Antifa” these days. Apparently only antifa thinks it’s not OK to murder unarmed people.
MERCA! Vigilante “justice!”
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I foresee in the coming days, a few retaliations to the Left’s Antifa support for rioting. Mostly, self defense protection with handguns against the Rioters attack on others. Here’s a few choice of acceptable weapons being brought to the peaceful rallies: Bats, Frozen Water Bottles, High End fireworks, Sharp stakes hidden in Banner poles, Knives, BrassKnuckles, Bricks, slingshots. You know… all the cute peaceful stuff that Mom used to make for a gathering.
I guess the question is, Does an individuals have right to defend with a weapon of superiority?
We all know the the Rioters (not the semi law abiding protesters) are there for Violence and Destruction. Would that not be true? I blame actually both sides on this. If you are an Anti-Antifa and you happen to make comments towards them at 10pm at night, you’re probably going to get hurt, If your a full on Antifa Rioter, or at least a Pseudo one so you can look cool and smoke Kush, either way, you might get hurt directly or in directly from backlash or in the theater of conflict. So, they all put themselves in an explosive / Dangerous situation. So in my opinion, either side reaps what they sow. And in reality, it’s their decision to take that chance and in that case, I don’t want to use tax paying public resources to assist their cause. They can sacrifice for their cause as a badge of honor or duty and bleed in the streets to show unity. “Johnny fought bravely with his mask, Helmut, backpack, Patagonian hiking boots, and colorful carabiners.” “He wasn’t threating any one with Climbing Pick and Brick” it was only for protection. Unfortunately, I see more Antifa’s getting hurt in the upcoming days. I see a increase in crematoriums business.-
[link=https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/08/1862/1048/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1]https://a57.foxnews.com/s…ry-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1[/link]
CNN is doing their part
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Nice summary by NYT of info so far.
[link]https://tinyurl.com/yy2mm5vt[/link]
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Careful what you wish for trumpers
The other side will fight back
This aint no internet and it aint no reality show
Thats pretty much all I gots to say
Right. That’s the problem. For you.
Remember, a 17 year old was attacked and beaten last night, including by another rioter carrying a handgun. The 17 year old killed one of his attackers and severely wounded the other. The 17 year old was not injured at the conclusion of the incident. And remember, the rioters got the first attack in and the 17 year old was knocked to his back. Still, two casualties with one fatality on the left wing side, none on the right.
That’s what the left-wingers like kpack don’t understand when they act tough. They don’t know what tough is; most have never served or been in combat, and there are millions of armed Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans across the country.
If kpack is angling for a second civil war, this terrible incident is a preview of the result.
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I dont believe that for a second.
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Air Force academy Grad
Served one tour with 6 months in Afghanistan
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If you PM me tour social security number I will gladly pM you my D/C
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Why? I said black out the identifying info.
I can tell whether youre telling the truth by your service medals.
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Actually every medal has an identification number
Also a certificate
Again you want to play lets play
Ill show mine if you show your SS #
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Or send me your ABR number to prove that you are actually a radiologist
I will take either one
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Box 13 of the DD214.
Ill start you off.
Air Force Commendation Medal, Meritorious Unit Award, National Defense Service Medal…
These dont have ID numbers.
Come on kpack, Im playing. So far you havent demonstrated squat.
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Play the game
aBR number or SS#
Pm either
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Nope. No personal ID.
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Then honestly I dont have to explain myself to an anonymous person
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How about criminals stop rioting, being violent, robbing people, etc.
I bet cops wouldn’t kneel on any necks, shoot anyone, etc. if people stopped their criminal behavior.
How about focusing on why these people keep breaking the law (and no I don’t mean black people when I say that before I get called racist again. I mean all criminals/rioters/violent people, etc.)
The issue to me is that a certain group of people within the Democratic party don’t believe in criminals or punishing them at all because their crimes are justified by some way of racism or something.
You just don’t seem to understand the underlying issue. You can’t have a meaningful conversation about these issues coming into it from this viewpoint.-
No, I understand it perfectly. People are breaking the law and resisting arrest and they happen to be of a certain minority. The cops then respond too aggressively. Then there’s a race-fueled freak out.
I wonder how many white people have been shot by cops in the last 6 months?
Perhaps [b]all[/b] people should stop resisting arrest and breaking the law. I also think cops should be re-trained and there should be a focus on less violence.
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Kelley Anne Conway said chaos and violence benefits Trump
Thats code for trumpers to go in and commit violence
Diarrhea of the mouth on her part
Should get interesting
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Black guy gets shot in back 7 ties by a cop
White kid walks right past cops with an assault rifle
Absolutely not racism
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Look, he shouldn’t have been shot at all, let alone 7 times. I agree with you on that.
But, you have to acknowledge that these people are criminals breaking the law.
Did the white kid walk by cops with a gun? What law was he breaking?
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Stop Criminal behavior
Yeah sure
Shoot in the back 7 times
Maybe a tad bit excess
Still cant get over seeing a black guy shot 7 times in the back and a white kid walking right past police with an assault style rifle and no questions asked
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I said it was excessive.
Also, you’re not framing it correctly.
Black guy shot 7 times after breaking the law and resisting arrest and white kid carries gun on the street.
So what law was the white kid breaking?
The question is whether a white person doing the same thing the black person did would have also been shot. White people are shot and killed by cops too.
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Did he legally own the weapon?
He is 17? Pretty sure its not legal to own a weapon under the age of 18. (Maybe a hunting exception in some areas)
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Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old militia member who has been arrested and is facing a homicide charge in the matter, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had, according to statutes, which say anyone under 18 who “goes armed” with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.
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Did he legally own the weapon?
He is 17? Pretty sure its not legal to own a weapon under the age of 18. (Maybe a hunting exception in some areas)
It’s just a rifle. Legal to own for a teenager in many states. Most restrictions are limited to handguns, only a few states get all weird about semi auto rifles. If you inherit or you receive a firearm as a intra-state gift, most of the federal transfer restrictions don’t apply.
In many states it would be perfectly legal for a 17yo to drive to a shooting range and bring his own rifle.
But that’s not what he was doing.
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At least the pedophile who died in the shooting died doing what he loved most. Chasing a minor.
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Milwaukee Journal
Kyle Rittenhouse 17 year old
militia member who has been arrested and is facing a homicide charge in the matter, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had, according to statutes, which say anyone under 18 who “goes armed” with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply. -
That doesnt give pedophiles and felons permission to try and shoot him in the head.
Contrary to the opinion of a racist anarchist like Frumious.
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Cannibals and pedophiles
Q-Anon
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Cannibals and pedophiles.
Sounds like the two sides in a game of horseshoes at kpacks backyard BBQ.
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Did he legally own the weapon?
He is 17? Pretty sure its not legal to own a weapon under the age of 18. (Maybe a hunting exception in some areas)
Did he “walk by cops” as you suggested? Should they have stopped him and asked him his age then?
Are you even willing to admit all of the people that have been shot were criminals and exhibiting illegal behavior?
See Castlevania’s stats for more info.
Long story short – the guy shouldn’t have been shot 7 times. Whether he should have been shot once is hard to decide given that we weren’t the cop and don’t know what it’s like to be a cop dealing with criminals everyday. But, he was/is a criminal and was exhibiting illegal behavior and that needs to be acknowledged too.
Cops should be able to be fired when they do bad things and/or exhibit bad behavior = reform the police union
Cops should have better de-escalation training = reform the union and providing training, more practice with non-lethal weapon use, etc.
Criminals should stop their illegal behavior = never going to happen.
We need the police. Do they make mistakes…yes they do. But this country isn’t going to be safe at all if we keep focusing on only black criminals getting shot and blaming the cops, whether it was wrong or not.
I’m still waiting on what your solution is as well.
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I said it was excessive.
Also, you’re not framing it correctly.
Black guy shot 7 times after breaking the law and resisting arrest and white kid carries gun on the street.
So what law was the white kid breaking?
The question is whether a white person doing the same thing the black person did would have also been shot. White people are shot and killed by cops too.
What do you want the cops to do when people resist arrest (seriously)?
The thread on how the ancient greeks and egyptians thread were really “black” hasn’t been made here. I’m surprised.
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Black guy gets shot in back 7 ties by a cop
White kid walks right past cops with an assault rifle
Absolutely not racism
As a group (since that’s what you’re interested in) blacks commit more than 50% of all homicides in the US, yet are only 13% of the population. As a group, they commit almost 80% of all violent crimes. Still, fewer blacks are killed by the cops each year than whites and hispanics. Blacks also kill white people 5x over the converse.
I don’t play the race baiting game there, but you and your kind are disgusting liars that never tell anything remotely true about the context of what’s going on.
You can’t name 1 guy who was not a criminal that got shot. You can’t even name 1 that didn’t get in an altercation with the police that he in fact caused.
Until these truths are told and shouted from the rooftops, the ironic thing is that black people will be worse off. Just like the Democrat party wants them.
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In WI, its just a rifle, it doesn’t assault or style anyone.
Now he was too young to carry it outside of a legitimate hunting or target shooting situation, but other than that, there is no licensing to carry a long gun.
He was carrying & murdered with a .223 calibre AR-15 assault-“STYLE” gun, not a long gun.
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6 well-deserved charges against this boy for murdering 2 people.
1. 1st degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon;
2 & 3. 2 counts of 1st degree reckless endangerment; use of dangerous weapon;
4. 1st degree intentional homicide, use of dangerous weapon;
5. attempted 1st degree intentional homicide, use of dangerous weapon;
6. Possession of dangerous weapon by person under 18
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He would be a good case to defend. The defense attorney just needs to read the charging document to the jury and they [u]have[/u] to find that the elements of a legitimate self defense claim were present. The kid has the mental capacity of a box of rocks. The fact that he violated some misdemeanor statute by carrrying a loaded rifle without being engaged in a legitimate hunting activity does not eliminate his right to defend himself while lying on the ground and getting stomped by a mob. He’ll probably have to plead guilty to that gun charge, but the homicides were necessary by the time the situation had deteriorated to that point. He should have never been there in the first place, let alone with a gun.
If you watch some of the footage from Kenosha that night, you get a taste of how the coming civil war is going to look like: Armed factions on both sides, limp bodies being driven to the hospital in the back of private cars, the full up ‘Syria Experience’.
The great irony is that the first thing that the people demonstrating to defund the police do once the shooting starts: call the police.
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“Stormed by the mob” only after he murdered Rosenbaum.
You are twisting what happened. No one “attacked” him until he shot Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum’s “attack” was throwing an empty plastic bag at Rittenhouse. Yes, Obviously self-defense.
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And as I recall, Wisconsin is not a Stand Your Ground state so no one is allowed to murder under the excuse of self defense.
If you are on the ground on your back faced with multiple attackers, there is no ‘need’ for a stand your ground law. Everything reverts back to common law self defense at that point.-
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And as I recall, Wisconsin is not a Stand Your Ground state so no one is allowed to murder under the excuse of self defense.
If you are on the ground on your back faced with multiple attackers, there is no ‘need’ for a stand your ground law. Everything reverts back to common law self defense at that point.
Uh, the murderous plastic bag is why he killed Rosenbaum so the crowd chased a murderer. I think chasing a murderer is a good cause & defending a murderer for being chases is limp and lame, not to mention justifying murder.
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I am no lawyer but
The 17 yr old is being charged with illegally possessing a firearm because of his age
Not sure you can get around that one on the hunters exemption but again I am non lawyer
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Seems like he will get the gun charge because he was carrying it on purpose outside to a rally or something (misdemeanor, I think) but probably nothing else. You can’t convict him of murder only because he was illegally carrying a gun. The two things are legally independent. The judge/jury will have to decide okay yeah he broke the law carrying the gun but now that he has the gun, was he within his rights to defend himself? Will have to wait and see.
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He was not at his home, was he. He was defending himself against a plastic bag thrown at him.
Yes, obviously grounds for “self-defense.”
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Living in a world with your rules would be scary.
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You all have to explain how killing Rosenbaum was self-defense from the mob. And since when did chasing down a killer become a “mob” that allowed a killer to claim self-defense? The boy certainly looked unharmed as he WALKED to the police after he shot those 3 people.
Kool-aid impairs your senses of reality.
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I am no lawyer but
The 17 yr old is being charged with illegally possessing a firearm because of his age
Not sure you can get around that one on the hunters exemption but again I am non lawyer
Right, him carrying a loaded rifle in public was likely illegal, that’ll be the only thing they can prove. All those other add-on gun charges will disappear along with the homicide charge. Even in states that require you to lock away guns from your kids, a child using a gun to defend themselves inside of the home is exempted from all those possession and access issues.
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He was carrying & murdered with a .223 calibre AR-15 assault-“STYLE” gun, not a long gun.
There is no such thing like an ‘assault style gun’.
In WI, the AR15 is just a rifle. He could have carried a 30-30 or a BAR and it wouldn’t have made any difference for the legality or illegality.
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There have been many many posts on AM & on the Internet about “assault” guns that are defended as assault-STYLE; that anyone calling an AR-15 an “assault” gun lack real knowledge of guns.
A BS misdirection argument.
The point is that his weapon was not merely a long rifle as was argued, it was a semi-auto AR-15.
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There have been many many posts on AM & on the Internet about “assault” guns that are defended as assault-STYLE; that anyone calling an AR-15 an “assault” gun lack real knowledge of guns.
The fact that other people on the internet are just as uninformed as you are doesn’t change the fact that in WI, an AR-15 is just a rifle.
Nobody should be going to a political demonstration carrying any kind of gun. As we see lately, both sides of a political conflict going to demonstrate while armed creates a lot of potential for shootouts. ‘Peacably to assemble’ doesn’t protect your right to show up with clubs, knives, incendiary devices, fireworks or guns.-
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The fact that other people on the internet are just as uninformed as you are doesn’t change the fact that in WI, an AR-15 is just a rifle.
BFD. The argument of “just a rifle” is besides the point of everything, no? And I stated nothing un-factual or uninformed about guns or AR-15s. These types of weapons are just rifles of a specific style to mimic a military look & sharing some features of military weapons. They don’t look like a Remington 750 for instance – different “style” and purpose.
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This should be interesting how it plays out
Apparently the kid was somehow acting like he was hired to protect some local businesses
Sounds like he was just playing cop and things got out of hand
Im Not sure the self defense thing holds up in this case
Technically he is a juvenile so they are going to have to try to charge him as an adult I would think
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This should be interesting how it plays out
Apparently the kid was somehow acting like he was hired to protect some local businesses
Sounds like he was just playing cop and things got out of hand
Im Not sure the self defense thing holds up in this case
Technically he is a juvenile so they are going to have to try to charge him as an adult I would think
It will be interesting. Is it self defense if you’ve already killed someone and are running from people that saw you do it?
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The fact that other people on the internet are just as uninformed as you are doesn’t change the fact that in WI, an AR-15 is just a rifle.
BFD. The argument of “just a rifle” is besides the point of everything, no? And I stated nothing un-factual or uninformed about guns or AR-15s. These types of weapons are just rifles of a specific style to mimic a military look & sharing some features of military weapons. They don’t look like a Remington 750 for instance – different “style” and purpose.
The ‘purpose’ of a rifle is to expel a projectile once you pull the trigger. Whether the thing you aim it at is a sheet of paper, a soda bottle, a deer or another human doesn’t change that basic premise. The color of the rifle, whether the furniture is plastic or wood makes no difference. A .223 fired from a lever action cowboy ‘style’ rifle will make the same hole as one fired from an AR.
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Why would anyone think 4 more years would somehow make this better?
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This should be interesting how it plays out
Apparently the kid was somehow acting like he was hired to protect some local businesses
Sounds like he was just playing cop and things got out of hand
In his wannabe copdom he reminds me of that other dimwit George Zimmerman. Georgi as you may remember managed to convince a jury that if you have the impact marks from the curb on the back of your head and a witness who states that the other party was ‘going to town’ on you, you have a legitimate claim to self defense regardless of the utter stupidity that got you into the situation to start with. For self defense, it matters what your mindset was the second you pull the trigger, not whatever dumb thing you did 5 minutes ago.
There is plenty of footage from that night of Rosenbaum aggressively acting towards counter-demonstrators. There is one video with running commentary from an african american witness threatened by the white antifas who were destroying cars in the lot at the time and didn’t want to be recorded. So he backed off and continued filming from across the street. ‘Oh, look the antifas are chasing the kid’ followed by ‘he shot him, laid him right out’.
There is footage from multiple vantage points that shows that in the moment it happened, Rosenbaum was clearly the aggressor.
Rosenbaum is described as someone who had ‘just moved to Wisconsin’ with a fiancee and a young child. Now I have done some dumb chit in my misspent youth, but once I had kids, I dont think my wife would have been on board with me going to some other town for a riot.
There is a lot of irony in people bemoaning the ‘victims’ of this shooting when the surviving one (Grosskreutz) is shown to still carry a handgun at the end of his mangled arm. Oh, so he was trying to ‘apprehend’ Rittenhouse ? Who deputized him to start enforcing the law ? His claim to be acting legally when he charged the idiot kid with a gun in his hand is no more valid than the claim of the idiot kid that he was there to ‘protect a business’. The only difference between the two is which side of the political spectrum they were on.
Technically he is a juvenile so they are going to have to try to charge him as an adult I would think
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Zimmerman was self policing his own neighborhood
This kid drove 30 miles to put himself into the middle of the conflict
Its going to be interesting to see how this plays out
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Zimmerman was self policing his own neighborhood
This kid drove 30 miles to put himself into the middle of the conflict
Yeah, so did Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz and Huber*. Neither of them were citizens of the city of Kenosha, upset about the questionable police shooting of Mr Blake.
There is plenty of footage of the festivities. Very little of this violence is the result of local demonstrators who have a legitimate complaint about police brutality. All 4 involved in this shootout were agitators who came from out of town seeking a fight.
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Blame the victims for killing themselves, not the murderer.
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2 were from Kenosha
The third was from right next door
[link=https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/victims-kenosha-jacob-blake-protest-202413691.html]https://www.yahoo.com/huf…protest-202413691.html[/link]
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Actually according to this report
2 were from Kenosha
The third was from right next door
[link=https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/victims-kenosha-jacob-blake-protest-202413691.html]https://www.yahoo.com/huf…protest-202413691.html[/link]
Ok, so I was wrong. Two were local riff-raff, the third a bused in troublemaker.
Oh the irony. While one of the perps was from ‘Kenosha County’, he was from a town further away from the city than Antioch, IL, where the idiot kid comes from.-
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Actually according to this report
2 were from Kenosha
The third was from right next door
[link=https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/victims-kenosha-jacob-blake-protest-202413691.html]https://www.yahoo.com/huf…protest-202413691.html[/link]
Ok, so I was wrong. Two were local riff-raff, the third a bused in troublemaker.
You have zero information that they were anything but protestors who got shot by a boy vigilante.
As for the one who appeared to have a gun, that was Grosskreutz who was shot in the arm.
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Blame the victims for killing themselves, not the murderer.
If you walk up to a guy holding a rifle with a pistol in your hand, yeah, you pretty much killed yourself.
Better leave it to the police to apprehend a criminal.
Oh wait, police is de-funded.
Call a social worker.
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Blame the victims for killing themselves, not the murderer.
If you walk up to a guy holding a rifle with a pistol in your hand, yeah, you pretty much killed yourself.
Better leave it to the police to apprehend a criminal.
Oh wait, police is de-funded.
Call a social worker.
Uh, you either did not read or look at what happened or you are deliberately painting the wrong picture. Rosenbaum had no gun. Show me where police reports or witness or video shwoing where Rosenbaum had a gun.
Duh.
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Unfortunately things are going to get worse
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Uh, you either did not read or look at what happened or you are deliberately painting the wrong picture. Rosenbaum had no gun. Show me where police reports or witness or video shwoing where Rosenbaum had a gun.
I didn’t say Rosenbaum was carrying a gun. Grosskreutz was.
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Except Grosskreutz was the only one of 3 who survived. And he did not use his gun nor is it known Rittenhouse saw a gun in Grosskreutz’s hand. And that is irrelevant since the 2 murder victims had no guns in either hand.
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What? Now the White pseudo BLM backed Antifa’s are playing victim to an environment they created? Are they that stupid (well yes) to not know they have created and are supporting a Hostile environment and the other side is starting to show up with Weapons far more superior to their own? Actually Weapons fully displayed on themselves? And as such, the heighten aspect of violence and death could be possible? Put them on the Darwin Award List for 2020.
Secondly, I believe hazard sacrifice pay should be paid to their families from the BLM founders i.e. Susan Rosenberg, Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors< Opal Tometi and of course George Soros. Don’t you agree?
Huh?? 2 African American Men killed on June 20 in Seattle in the CHOP CHAZ Zone and not a word still about who killed them. BLM? Antifa? AOC? Oprah? Disregard the news victims for your cause that was self initiate but promote a return action from the other side as “Uncivil”. This shit is happening because… It’s you own damn fault.-
Someone subscribed to FOX Nation
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Someone subscribed to FOX Nation
You don’t need Fox Nation to point out simple common sense especially when it involves your own life and the action you take towards others. The guy had a weapon on him correct? Why would you threaten him? Total dead dumbass.
If you want to blame anyone, it’s the pro-rioting Left that has supported and flamed this issue. It’s their fault that someone died.
Wow… that sound just like a Liberal Victim comment. Never thought I’d mock your comments.
I’d like to see the tables turn now. Let’s have some radical masked right wing people follow Pelosi, schumer, and nadler around and tell them they are going to kill them or hope they die.
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If cops did not freely murder people we would not be in this mess.
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If mall cops with high schools education continue to kneel on necks of black man and shoot them in the back we are going to see anti-cop narratives
People are fed up
This isnt 1968 anymore
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If mall cops with high schools education continue to kneel on necks of black man and shoot them in the back we are going to see anti-cop narratives
People are fed up
This isnt 1968 anymore
I agree to some parts of your statement, Denver police, all you need to be is 21, have HS Diploma or a GED and can take the test. Outside Denver Jeffco, you can do the same thing however, your higher education puts you in front of the process. If you are an officer with a BS or BA, you will addressed as an Agent in title.
Denver is now mostly left leaning, the Burbs however are not. Moving forward regarding the George Floyd incident. Who was in charge of the insurance of follow training and re-IN servicing of policies within the department? Who signs them off? The Mayor does. The Mayor should be charged with dereliction of duties.-
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I agree to some parts of your statement, Denver police, all you need to be is 21, have HS Diploma or a GED and can take the test. Outside Denver Jeffco, you can do the same thing however, your higher education puts you in front of the process. If you are an officer with a BS or BA, you will addressed as an Agent in title.
The officer who killed George Floyd has a bachelors in criminal justice. The african american rookie who effected the initial arrest has a bs in sociology.
It’s not the college degree those people were lacking, its competence.
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If cops did not freely murder people we would not be in this mess.
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If cops did not freely murder people we would not be in this mess.
Come on. Even you know that this isn’t happening.
They can’t help it Cubby, Victimism is their genre, their message, it’s all they have to go on. Freely Murder? I guess B on B crime, that’s ok to Freely Murder each other as well and of course if a little kid is killed in the cross fire its not their fault.
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Someone subscribed to FOX Nation
If that’s where you gotta get facts, of course, why wouldn’t he?
Notice you’re in clown world and can’t counter facts. I’m so surprised.
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