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May’s Brexit vote goes down to an historic defeat in Parliament 432-402.
Lots of people calling for a revocation of Article 50 and a second referendum.-
I saw some British parliamentarian being interviewed saying now that they better understand the Brexit they should do another vote. Who would’ve known the Brexit would’ve caused issues. It’s like now you’re finally realizing you can’t just use the Chunnel with impunity. Duh…
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-16/so-bad-it-s-good-analysts-see-silver-lining-in-brexit-rejection?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com…rejection?srnd=premium[/link]
[b]So Bad It’s Good [/b]: May’s defeat so thorough that markets begin to put greater odds in soft-Brexit or no Brexit at all
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BREXIT, Britain’s MBGA or MEGA version of MAGA is rightly characterized as the malign dreams of the past.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…it-ireland-empire.html[/link]
With Brexit, the chumocrats who drew borders from India to Ireland are getting a taste of their own medicine.
Describing Britains calamitous exit from its Indian empire in 1947, the novelist Paul Scott wrote that in India the British came to the end of themselves as they were that is, to the end of their exalted idea about themselves. Scott was among those shocked by how hastily and ruthlessly the British, who had ruled India for more than a century, condemned it to fragmentation and anarchy; how Louis Mountbatten, accurately described by the right-wing historian Andrew Roberts as a mendacious, intellectually limited hustler, came to preside, as the last British viceroy of India, over the destiny of some 400 million people.
Britains rupture with the European Union is proving to be another act of moral dereliction by the countrys rulers. The Brexiteers, pursuing a fantasy of imperial-era strength and self-sufficiency, have repeatedly revealed their hubris, mulishness and ineptitude over the past two years. Though originally a Remainer, Prime Minister Theresa May has matched their arrogant obduracy, imposing a patently unworkable timetable of two years on Brexit and laying down red lines that undermined negotiations with Brussels and doomed her deal to resoundingly bipartisan rejection this week in Parliament.
Such a pattern of egotistic and destructive behavior by the British elite flabbergasts many people today. But it was already manifest seven decades ago during Britains rash exit from India.
Forster blamed Britains political fiascos on its privately educated men, callow beneficiaries of the countrys elitist public school system. These eternal schoolboys whose weight is out of all proportion to their numbers are certainly overrepresented among Tories. They have today plunged Britain into its worst crisis, exposing its incestuous and self-serving ruling class like never before.
From David Cameron, who recklessly gambled his countrys future on a referendum in order to isolate some whingers in his Conservative party, to the opportunistic Boris Johnson, who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon to secure the prime ministerial chair once warmed by his role model Winston Churchill, and the top-hatted, theatrically retro Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose fund management company has set up an office within the European Union even as he vehemently scorns it, the British political class has offered to the world an astounding spectacle of mendacious, intellectually limited hustlers.
In Brexit, the British chumocracy, the column declared, has finally met its Waterloo.
It is actually more accurate, for those invoking British history, to say that partition the British Empires ruinous exit strategy has come home. In a grotesque irony, borders imposed in 1921 on Ireland, Englands first colony, have proved to be the biggest stumbling block for the English Brexiteers chasing imperial virility. Moreover, Britain itself faces the prospect of partition if Brexit, a primarily English demand, is achieved and Scottish nationalists renew their call for independence.
It is a measure of English Brexiteers political acumen that they were initially oblivious to the volatile Irish question and contemptuous of the Scottish one.
The British rubes have been had by a lie.
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[link=https://news.sky.com/video/lets-get-back-to-being-a-british-empire-11530606]https://news.sky.com/vide…ritish-empire-11530606[/link]
Delusional leave voter just wants to “go back to being the British Empire” again.
(So many parallels to Trump and promising those under-skilled industrial midwest voters that they could get their $100k/yr GM jobs back without having ot move, retrain, or learn new skills)-
The blame for Brexit due to austerity policies by the Tories that hit the man on the street hardest.
[link=https://www.barrons.com/articles/the-blame-for-brexit-51547842253]https://www.barrons.com/a…for-brexit-51547842253[/link]
Brexit chaos is David Camerons disastrous legacy. Years of pointless austerity engineered by the former prime minister helped turn Britons against their biggest trading partners.
Creating new barriers to trade and investment between the U.K. and its main economic partners will end up making Britons poorer in the long run. John Springford of the Center for European Reform estimates that the dwindling appeal of the U.K. as a place to do business since the June 2016 referendum has already [link=https://www.barrons.com/articles/brexit-has-already-cost-the-u-k-more-than-50-billion-1538500019?mod=article_inline]lowered British living standards[/link] by about 2.5% relative to what they otherwise would have been.
While Brits have long thought of themselves as separate from the Continentals, that belief didnt prevent them from [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum?mod=article_inline]voting overwhelmingly[/link] to affirm their membership in the European Economic Community in a referendum in 1975.
According to the [link=http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/39024/euroscepticism.pdf?mod=article_inline]British Social Attitudes Survey[/link], which has been asking the question since 1983, Brits have always preferred remaining in the EU to leaving it. In 2015, only 22% wanted to leave. The rest were split between those who favored no change, those who wanted a single European government, and those who wanted to remain in a reformed bloc.
[b]The people who voted to leave the EU were poorer, less educated, and older than the people who voted to remain.[/b]
Fetzers explanation is that, from the mid-1990s through 2010, the U.K. government did a good job of protecting those citizens through a strong welfare state.
Cameron changed that. Beginning in 2010, his coalition government began imposing a series of spending cuts and tax increases. Inflation-adjusted welfare spending per person eventually fell by 16%, while education spending was slashed by 19% per person. Health spending flatlined despite a rapidly aging population. Perversely, the deepest cuts were imposed on [link=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1475-5890.2015.12056?mod=article_inline]the poorest parts[/link] of the country.
Millions of Britons were radicalized by massive cuts to social services and the concentration of government spending in London at the expense of the rest of the country. It is not surprising that they were eager to vote against the financial and political elites in the capital warning of the costs of Brexit, especially when the anti-European diehards pushing to leave the EU falsely promised better funding for the cash-starved National Health Service.
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Over 250 companies are in touch with the Dutch government about moving to the Netherlands because of [link=https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/brexit]Brexit[/link], officials have said.
The trade and investment arm of the countrys government has been soliciting moves from companies worried about access to the EU market, with Britain set to leave the single market and customs union.
A number of high-profile companies have already announced decision to cross the North Sea, most recently Japanese electronics giant Sony specifically citing Brexit. Last year Panasonic also announced it was moving to Amsterdam.
Michiel Bakhuizen, a spokesman for the Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency (NFIA), told the AFP news agency that the number of firms in talks was growing.
A final figure would be announced next month cataloguing the relocations, he said, stating that every new arrival of a business, big or small, is a success.
The number of businesses we are in contact with for a possible arrival is growing. At the start of 2017 it was 80, at the start of 2018 150, and now it’s more than 250,” he said.
This increase will continue and it’s not strange, because there is great uncertainty at the moment in Britain. And if there is one thing that’s bad for business, it’s uncertainty.”
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DYSON leaving Britain for Singapore.
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[link=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/european-medicines-agency-closes-london-office-with-loss-of-900-jobs-brexit]https://www.theguardian.c…oss-of-900-jobs-brexit[/link]
European Medicines Agency leaves London 63 days before Brexit and moves to Amsterdam. 900 jobs gone from London. -
A High Court judge has ruled that Barclays can shift assets worth 190bn to its Irish division as it cannot wait any longer amid continuing political uncertainty.
[link=https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/1090604274080514053]https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status…04274080514053[/link]
[align=left] [link=https://news.sky.com/story/barclays-prepares-to-trigger-eur190bn-no-deal-brexit-plan-11622383]Barclays prepares to trigger £166bn no-deal Brexit plan[/link][/align] [h2]A High Court judge has largely approved a “huge” scheme by the bank to reorganise part of its business ahead of Brexit.[/h2]___
Now they’re truly starting to flee-
Barclays Bank, established in London in 1690.
Apparently they are not interested in Making Britain Great Again.
Why doesn’t everyone understand the sentiments behind BREXIT and TRUMP?
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[link=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/feb/25/brexit-latest-news-developments-theresa-may-increasingly-likely-to-accept-article-50-extension-minister-suggests-politics-live]https://www.theguardian.c…suggests-politics-live[/link]
Breaking News: Labour will support a vote on an amendment for a second referendum.
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Theresa May changes her tune as well…now says there is a path to “delay” Brexit.
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Mays second effort to pass a slightly different deal looks like it is going down to a huge defeat in parliament today.
Mays premiership may be over too
Now the real deadline decisions need to be made…. delay Brexit , second referendum. Crash out with no deal
… stay tuned
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can the EU just eject the UK?
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Not to anyones benefit for the E.U. to eject the not-so-UK for many reasons.
Britain has to decide.
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Quote from Frumious
Not to anyones benefit for the E.U. to eject the not-so-UK for many reasons.
Britain has to decide.
Agree. I think the EU will grant a delay if the UK asks. …. which is the most likely scenarion for now… kick the can down the road a bit further.
The EU’s biggest chance for a “win” would be the UK revoking it’s Article 50 declaration and *not* Brexiting at all. The EU gets very little from the UK leaving and would be decidedly hurt if the perception was that they kicked out the UK.
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I’m having a hard time following the UK political chaos right now. But it sounds like parliament is going to vote on a “compromise” plan today … but it’s one that has already been rejected by the EU.
EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier : This treaty which we negotiated with the government of Theresa May for a year and a half is and will remain the only available treaty.
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UK and EU officials are in Brussels discussing possible Brexit delay scenarios.
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Brexiteers want The Empire back because they feel they have become the vassal countries others were under the empire.
March 12:
Here is Sander Wagner [link=https://twitter.com/sanderwagner/status/1105408937128587264]on Twitter this morning[/link]: “If you look at it from some distance, then watching staunch defenders of the British empire adopting the language of anti-colonialist liberation over brexit can be a source of endless amusement.” This in response to Jacob Rees-Mogg: “The vassal state must not be replaced by penal servitude.”
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-13/here-s-a-guide-to-the-no-deal-brexit-votes-in-parliament?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com…arliament?srnd=premium[/link]
The next set of votes:
[b]The Spelman Amendment[/b]
Some of those suspicious MPs, led by the Conservative Caroline Spelman, have put down an amendment deleting all of Mays text and replacing it with a much plainer rejection of leaving without a deal. This has a good chance of passing. It will be referred to as Amendment A.[b]The Malthouse B Amendment[/b]
This amendment is designed to endorse a so-called managed no-deal Brexit. Its named after Housing Minister Kit Malthouse, even though his name doesnt appear on it. The idea is supposed to unite different wings of the Conservative Party behind a plan of delaying Brexit until May 22 and using that time to negotiate a two-year standstill period, for which the U.K. would pay. This is an idea that the EU has already ruled out as unworkable, but that wont stop plenty of Conservatives from voting for it. It will be referred to as Amendment F.
The Cancel Brexit Amendments Amendments B and D suggest withdrawing the U.K.s official Article 50 letter, which notified the EU two years ago of the countrys intention to leave the bloc. Neither of these amendments is likely to be selected for a vote. The Scottish National Party has also laid an amendment floating this possibility.
[b]The Second Referendum Amendments[/b]
Amendments C and D (again) suggest a second referendum. Neither had the kind of support on Wednesday morning that make it likely theyd get selected.[b]The Keep No-Deal Alive Amendment[/b]
Conservative Edward Leighs amendment, submitted Wednesday morning, calls for no-deal to be kept as an option. Its unlikely to be selected.
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Uk Parliament rejects no-deal Brexit today.
Sow Parliament has both reject the deal and rejected no deal within 24 hours.
Looking more and more like we’re going to back to the start …. re-do referendum or just revoke Article 50 and go back to normal.
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The Pound jumps … markets think this Brexit thing isn’t going to happen … at least not soon
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Parliament votes to delay Brexit
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Speaker John Bercow rules that May can not bring her Withdrawal Agreement deal up for a third vote unless it is substantially different.
That leaves the UK with 3 options:
1- no deal Brexit crashing out in less than 2 weeks
2 – Revoke Article 50
3 – Ask for a very long extension (long enough to completely renegotiate with EU or to put together another referendum)
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[link=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-20/may-won-t-ask-for-long-delay-raising-the-stakes-brexit-update?srnd=premium]https://www.bloomberg.com…it-update?srnd=premium[/link]
Theresa May asks EU for a Brexit delay until June 30-
Petition to revoke Article 50 passes 600,000. (100,000 is the threshold to spark a debate in Parliament.)
Theresa May plans a work-around Speaker Bercow to get a third vote on her WA.
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this supposedly crashed their servers. So it must be a popular petition.
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The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the withdrawal agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week. If the withdrawal agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council.
The European Council reiterates that there can be no opening of the withdrawal agreement that was agreed between the [European] Union and the United Kingdom in November 2018.
Quote from DICOM_Dan
this supposedly crashed their servers. So it must be a popular petition.
Approaching 2M. Peaking at nearly 400K/hour or >100 every second.
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Brexit Delayed[/h1]
British prime minister Theresa May will return to the UK later to try to convince Parliament to support her withdrawal deal after the EU agreed to postpone Brexit beyond March 29, the [link=https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47663031]BBC[/link] reports.
On Thursday night, after eight hours of talks, EU leaders offered to delay Brexit until May 22 if MPs approve Mrs Mays deal next week.
If they do not approve it, the delay will be shorter until April 12 at which point the UK must set out its next steps or leave without a deal.-
4 million sign the petition.
Over a million marched against Brexit in London today for the Put it to the People march.200 people turned out to see Nigel Farage and the March to Leave.
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Theresa is stubbornly destroying any shred of credibility she had remaining in the most British way possible. It’s almost like a Monty Python skit at this stage.
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Looks like the Brexit caused a Mexit. May is stepping down as PM. Who would want that job?
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Oddly enough <snicker>, none of the actual Brexiteers.
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No Majority for Brexit Alternatives … or Brexit[/h1]
Britains House of Commons failed to get a majority on any of the [link=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/27/alternative-brexit-options-what-will-john-bercow-select-for-indicative-votes]eight alternatives[/link] to Prime Minister Theresa Mays Brexit deal, the [link=https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47728333]BBC[/link] reports
Of course, theres no majority for Mays deal either.-
HoC just voted for no deal.
MV3 lost by 58 votes.
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House also does not support “No deal”
Most likely outcome now is a long extension request with UK participating in EU elections later this spring …. and likely a second referndum.
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All four indicative votes failed[/h2]
Here are the results of Monday’s votes:
Motion C, Customs Union — Lost by 276 votes to 273
Motion D, Common Market 2.0 — Lost by 282 votes to 261
Motion E, Confirmatory public vote — Lost by 292 votes to 280
Motion G, Parliamentary Supremacy — Lost by 292 votes to 191-
Something finally passes…
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Quote from dergon
Theresa May asks for another delay until June 30.
EU expected to counter with 1 year delay. (Which would force the UK to particiapte in EU parliament elections … and would potentially take down May’s government)
Heard on the internet:
The UK should offer to settle this via penalty kicks. I’m sure that would work out well for England…..
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Theresa May asks for another delay until June 30.
EU expected to counter with 1 year delay. (Which would force the UK to particiapte in EU parliament elections … and would potentially take down May’s government)
