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Another boring rank order thread
Background: I’m a 4th year student applying DR, looking to eventually do private practice. Might also consider a pseudoacademic/hybrid job.
I’m struggling to decide which program to rank higher within my top 3: University of Rochester (URMC) or Case Western Reserve University Hospitals. For me, location is a draw, and I got great vibes from both programs during interviews. This leaves me to decide based on the objective strength of each program, and the relative desirability/competitiveness of the radiology job market in each region, where my connections from residency would be strongest. I recognize that this is probably some high order hair splitting, but I do have to rank one over the other.
For the programs themselves, Case seems to be perceived as the stronger program as they are consistently an AM semifinalist. Case also does more transplants, including lungs. URMC is nonetheless very close behind and seems to be an underrated program. Both are large tertiary centers with level 1 trauma.
For job markets, URMC has a pretty significant alumni network in upstate NY, versus Case in northern Ohio. I like both areas and could see myself living in either. Neither seems like the most desirable location for young people though so I can’t imagine it being too competitive.
So here are my questions that I hope some of the veterans here can help me with. Does one of these programs stand out in some other way that I am missing? Does the prestige of training at an AM semifinalist matter at all? Does anyone here have a sense of what the upstate NY and northern OH markets are like? Will the Bills or Browns win a super bowl first?
One more related question: I’ve decided to rank a very famous ultra top tier three letter program as my #4 below these programs based on my location preference. Is this an idiot move to make? Is the prestige of such a program worth biting the bullet on location for when I’m planning on going for PP?
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*** bias alert *** CWRU Attending –
Come to Cleveland. You’ll love it.
City actually ranks top 10 for college educated young folks (Mostly *because* of CWRU and CCF )
[link=https://www.clevelandfoundation.org/news_items/millennial-residents/]https://www.clevelandfoun…/millennial-residents/[/link]
As for the job market, it is cyclical like radiology elsewhere. NEO is dominated by CCF and UH… between the two of them they probably employ 70% of the area’s radiologists. When the job market is good, in Cleveland it’s really good …. for the main reason that it is tough to recruit people from outside of the area.
Our new Chair has already made a concerted effort to formalize early recruitment of our own quality residents to keep them on faculty long term.
As for football … here at CWRU we have the Browns imaging contract. Both the Bills and the Browns are great teams to root for with strong city culture around them.
But Cleveland also has NBA and MLB.-
Both are similar types of cities, rust belt, past their hayday, Cleveland probably a bit more new money but still not impressive from a growth standpoint. Cleveland major sports teams, rochester none. Cleveland better weather with less snow. Cleveland probably a little better crime wise though again neither are great.
Programs probably pretty similar quality wise, depth of pathology, the aunt minnie thing is completely worthless and meaningless, but they are both high level centers where you will see tons of cases and tons of crazy stuff.
I don’t really think the amount of transplants such as lung transplants means anything. Obviously if one program does 10x ok that might be significant if you’re going to be a transplant surgeon but if they’re doing all the transplants in a decent volume it’s probably not going to affect you much as a radiology resident.
Would look for more concrete things like picking a section you are most interested and seeing which one has the stronger section or etc. Like I said I really don’t think the AM criteria or number of transplants done mean anything. Similar locations, CLE probably slightly better. Also since there are other big name residencies in cleveland and it’s just a bigger city in general likely better for social life.
I don’t understand what you mean about the 3 letter program. If you want to go there more than these programs, then rank it higher. If not, rank it lower. I don’t think going to case instead of MGH or MIR or whoever it is will significantly change your career or what you can accomplish. The thing about radiology is there is a ton of self-studying so you can be as good as you want to be, and you can publish as much as you want to.-
Regarding your last question about training at MIR/MGH vs Case/Rochester…if you’re planning to do private practice in Northeast Ohio or upstate NY, it makes 100% sense to do your residency at Case/Rochester. The alum networks at local residencies will be a lot stronger than the alum network at MIR/MGH. Furthermore, Case/Rochester are large tertiary hospital networks, and there will be negligible difference in your clinical training. The difference in training will mostly appear in research opportunities. Furthermore, you might be given more autonomy at Case/Rochester compared to MGH.
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I think the OP meant that Rochester and Cleveland are tied in terms of location desirability.
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