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Thats a hilarious analogy Frumious. All Reps, conservatives, right leaners are rats.
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The only worse than Trump as the nominee is… Trump as *not* the nominee?
[b]GOP Sees Turnout Disaster Without Trump[/b][/h1]
Republican strategists are worried that if former President Trump doesnt secure the GOPs presidential nomination next year, or if he is kept off the ballot because of his mounting legal problems, it could spell a voter turnout disaster for their party in 2024, [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4149548-gop-sees-turnout-disaster-without-trump/?email=066c0990fa413d52c3842f29a42abb22ffa00eae&emaila=02c3337a6605235631b8cab2e023d54e&emailb=e0d37ab6f97ed06914f0e75a1ebed673001a81f7f84978ff9209f3e23f7ba5d3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=08.14.23%20KB%20%E2%80%94%20News%20Alert%20Turnout]The Hill[/link] reports.
GOP strategists say theres growing concern that if Trump is not the nominee, many of his core supporters, who are estimated to make up 25 percent to 35 percent of the party base, will take their ball and go home.’-
Holy Geoff Duncan. This dude must be swinging a big sack of nuts today. Bringing the fire.
[link=https://x.com/accountablegop/status/1691227193764933632?s=46&t=rWwiVdwocpuvqskgif1xxA]https://x.com/accountable…rWwiVdwocpuvqskgif1xxA[/link]
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Holy Geoff Duncan. This dude must be swinging a big sack of nuts today. Bringing the fire.
[link=https://x.com/accountablegop/status/1691227193764933632?s=46&t=rWwiVdwocpuvqskgif1xxA]https://x.com/accountable…rWwiVdwocpuvqskgif1xxA[/link]
Must be fake. Frumi assures me people like that dont exist.
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[link]https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3877[/link]
New QPac poll has independents 20 points in favor of prosecuting Trump for charges around the 2020 election
In the wake of a federal indictment accusing former President Donald Trump of attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, Americans 54 – 42 percent think Trump should be prosecuted on criminal charges, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. Democrats (95 – 5 percent) and independents (57 – 37 percent) think the former president should be prosecuted on criminal charges for allegedly attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, while Republicans (85 – 12 percent) think Trump should not be prosecuted. The poll was conducted from August 10th through August 14th.
Nearly two-thirds of Americans (64 percent) think the federal criminal charges accusing former President Trump of attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election are either very serious (52 percent) or somewhat serious (12 percent), while roughly one-third (32 percent) think they are either not too serious (11 percent) or not serious at all (21 percent).
Roughly 9 in 10 Democrats (89 percent) and 51 percent of independents think the federal criminal charges are very serious. Among Republicans, 18 percent think the federal criminal charges are very serious, while 48 percent say they are not serious at all.
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Wait, I thought independents stood for nothing?
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The only worse than Trump as the nominee is… Trump as *not* the nominee?
[b]GOP Sees Turnout Disaster Without Trump[/b]
Republican strategists are worried that if former President Trump doesnt secure the GOPs presidential nomination next year, or if he is kept off the ballot because of his mounting legal problems, it could spell a voter turnout disaster for their party in 2024, [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4149548-gop-sees-turnout-disaster-without-trump/?email=066c0990fa413d52c3842f29a42abb22ffa00eae&emaila=02c3337a6605235631b8cab2e023d54e&emailb=e0d37ab6f97ed06914f0e75a1ebed673001a81f7f84978ff9209f3e23f7ba5d3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=08.14.23%20KB%20%E2%80%94%20News%20Alert%20Turnout]The Hill[/link] reports.GOP strategists say theres growing concern that if Trump is not the nominee, many of his core supporters, who are estimated to make up 25 percent to 35 percent of the party base, will take their ball and go home.’
Thats funny. It wasnt that long ago that I remember the Dems saying they needed to go against Trump to pump up the turnout. See Frumi above. Somehow I believe the numbers are in the Dems favor on this one.
25-35% for the Reps.
100% plus the centrists and moderate Reps for the Dems.
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Ramaswamy polling well enough to make him a target for Democrats. –
From the DNC tonight:
[h3][link=https://democrats.org/news/vivek-ramaswamy-has-no-idea-what-hes-talking-about/]Vivek Ramaswamy Has No Idea What He’s Talking About[/link][/h3]
A point-by-point attack on all of Ramaswamy’s foreign policy positions.As Vivek Ramaswamy unveils his extreme MAGA foreign policy vision tonight, heres a reminder that Ramaswamy has repeatedly made clear that he has absolutely no idea what hes talking about when it comes to foreign policy and standing with our allies. His foreign policy plan includes letting China invade Taiwan, rewarding Putin for his bloody war in Ukraine, and leaving the United Nations.
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I believe I said “abhorrent”
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Pretty certain Ramaswamy said none of that
But hes finally polling high enough for Democrats to attack him.
No matter the republican candidate, Democrats will say the next guy up is the new biggest threat to democracy. And must be taken out by any means necessary.
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No matter the republican candidate, Democrats will say the next guy up is the new biggest threat to democracy. And must be taken out by any means necessary.
yes (and cuts both ways of course)
I know US politics has never been played strictly by gentleman’s rules. But I’m early 50’s, and there was a time, I would say pre-Newt Gingrich, when it wasn’t like this. People could say respectful things about their opponents. Left/Right media weren’t constantly inciting fear and hatred. Or at least those that were had marginal audiences.
My best guess is right-wing talk radio was the beginning of the end, and social media the coup de grace. But however we got here, US national politics absolutely sucks.-
[blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=83d1891762&e=633876386d]Ramaswamy[/link]: We will further deter China from annexing Taiwan by shifting from strategic ambiguity to strategic clarity: we will defend until 2029 but not afterward.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=c480b69f7b&e=633876386d]Washington Examiner[/link]: Vivek Ramaswamy cuts off interview after floating plan to let China attack Taiwan after 2028
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=283e94a84e&e=633876386d]Ramaswamy[/link]: Our interests include Taiwan until we have achieved semiconductor independence. after the end of my first term, we will be in a position to say our commitments will be different. Xi Jinping will not go for Taiwan until the end of my first term.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=d34bacd2ac&e=633876386d]The Dispatch[/link]: I know this is a little uncouth to say, Ramaswamy says. Once we have truly achieved semiconductor independence, I think the calculus changes. Does that mean the U.S. would no longer care either way whether China took over Taiwan by military force? We care a lot less, yeah; we care a lot less. What Im willing to do in that scenario is very different. Those comments could ruffle the feathers of traditional Republicans, who tend to favor U.S. support for fellow democracies.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=a90da61e7d&e=633876386d]Ramaswamy[/link]: My message to China is clear. Do not mess with Taiwan before 2028. And before 2028, our commitments are strong. After 2028, we have semiconductor independence. We have very different commitments, lower commitments, significantly lower commitments.
[/blockquote] To make matters worse, Ramaswamy has also suggested that Taiwan could defend itself by handing guns to every Taiwanese household.
[blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=29560a2790&e=633876386d]Ramaswamy[/link]: There are other elements of the Taiwan porcupine strategy up to and including putting a gun in every Taiwanese household, training them how to use them. Thats what Im going to do.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=72e7ae8e8e&e=633876386d]Washington Times[/link]: Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is convinced that he has figured out a way to stop China from invading Taiwan: Give the Taiwanese people guns.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=564f6cf03a&e=633876386d]Ramaswamy[/link]: You want China not to invade Taiwan? Here is something we can do: The NRA can open its branch next time in Taiwan. And you want to stop Xi Jinping from invading Taiwan, put a gun in every Taiwanese household, have them defend themselves, lets see what Xi Jinping does then.
[/blockquote] Ramaswamys stance on Taiwan is no surprise: He had no problem cozying up to China when it benefited his business.
[blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=a284797e4b&e=633876386d]The New Republic[/link]: GOP Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, Who Used to Do Business With China, Wants to Ban Business With China
Vivek Ramaswamy, the former biotech executive who announced his run for the Republican presidential nomination this week, has made China a central part of his message on the right-wing speaker circuit and Fox News. In a Wall Street Journal op-ed explaining his candidacy, he called the country the greatest external threat to America and argued, We must even be willing to bar U.S. companies from expanding into China until its government abandons theft and other mercantilist tactics. Just a few years ago, though, Ramaswamy was expanding his own business into China.
[/blockquote] On top of all this, Ramaswamy is advocating for rewarding Putin for his unjust war in Ukraine and promised to end Americas support of Ukraine posing a threat to our allies and democracy itself.
[blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=9e88c1eacb&e=633876386d]Politico[/link]: Ramaswamy spoke to POLITICO reporters in their offices Monday just one day after he told ABC News that the U.S. could end the fighting by making some major concessions to Russia. NatSec Daily pressed him after the meeting on what that would mean.
Putin would end [up] with Crimea and most of the Donbas, he told us. Furthermore, NATO should vow that Ukraine wont join the alliance and the U.S. should restore full economic relations with Russia. Those are big concessions, he underscored.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=3d05999242&e=633876386d]CBS News[/link]: If Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy wins the presidency, he says he would end U.S. support for Ukraine and instead broker a peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine.
And as part of the settlement, he said he would suspend U.S. military assistance to Ukraine, prevent Kyiv from joining NATO and lift Western sanctions against the Kremlin. He would also withdraw all troops from Ukraine and close all bases in Eastern Europe.
[/blockquote] [blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=b5dcf114e0&e=633876386d]Ramaswamy[/link]: What I think we need to do is end the Ukraine war on peaceful terms that yes, do make some major concessions to Russia.
[/blockquote] Ramaswamy claimed that Boris Johnson encouraged the war in Ukraine.
[blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=ff53a05a7c&e=633876386d]The Times[/link]: [Ramaswamy] said that he suspects that Boris Johnson encouraged President Zelensky to continue fighting last year to distract British voters from the domestic scandals assailing his premiership. While adding the caveat that I havent talked to Boris about the matter, he said, I think it was a deflection tactic because [Johnson] was going through trouble at home, and he does what many leaders do, go and create a kerfuffle or fuel a kerfuffle abroad, to deflect attention for your own failures.
[/blockquote] Ramaswamy even wants the United States to leave the UN and for it to be disbanded altogether.
[blockquote] [link=https://democrats.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90379082c3d9e6a03baf3f677&id=2edd20e578&e=633876386d]Daily Mail[/link]: 2024 Republican hopeful Vivek Ramaswamys sensational idea: the United States should LEAVE the United Nations and there is no reason for its continued existence
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Trump already disqualified fomr holding office?
Maybe, but we have to go through the process.
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/opinion/donald-trump-republicans.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/opinion/donald-trump-republicans.html[/link]Im going to begin this column with a rather unusual reading recommendation. If youve got an afternoon to kill and want to read 126 pages of heavily footnoted legal argument and historical analysis, I strongly recommend a law review article entitled [link=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751]The Sweep and Force of Section Three[/link]. Its a rather dull headline for a highly provocative argument: that Donald Trump is constitutionally disqualified from holding the office of president.
In the article, two respected conservative law professors, William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, make the case that the text, history and tradition of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment a post-Civil War amendment that prohibited former public officials from holding office again if they engaged in insurrection or rebellion or gave aid or comfort to those who did all strongly point to the conclusion that Trump is ineligible for the presidency based on his actions on and related to Jan. 6, 2021. Barring a two-thirds congressional amnesty vote, Trumps ineligibility, Baude and Paulsen argue, is as absolute as if he were too young to be president or were not a natural-born citizen of the United States.
Its a fascinating and compelling argument that only grows more compelling with each painstakingly researched page. But as I was reading it, a single, depressing thought came to my mind. Baude and Paulsens argument may well represent the single most rigorous and definitive explanation of Section 3 ever put to paper, yet its difficult to imagine, at this late date, the Supreme Court ultimately either striking Trump from the ballot or permitting state officials to do so.
As powerful as Baude and Paulsens substantive argument is, the late date means that by the time any challenge to Trumps eligibility might reach the Supreme Court, voters may have already started voting in the Republican primaries. Millions of votes could have been cast. The Supreme Court is already [link=https://www.scotusblog.com/election-law-explainers/the-purcell-principle-a-presumption-against-last-minute-changes-to-election-procedures/]reluctant to change election procedures[/link] on the eve of an election. How eager would it be to remove a candidate from the ballot after hes perhaps even clinched a primary?
While I believe the court should[/i] intervene even if the hour is late, its worth remembering that it would face this decision only because of the comprehensive failure of congressional Republicans. Let me be specific. There was never any way to remove Trump from American politics through the Democratic Party alone. Ending Trumps political career required Republican cooperation, and Republicans have shirked their constitutional duties, sometimes through sheer cowardice. They have punted their responsibilities to other branches of government or simply shrunk back in fear of the consequences.
In hindsight, for example, Republican inaction after Jan. 6 boggles the mind.
Rather than remove Trump from American politics by convicting him in the Senate after his second impeachment, Republicans punted their responsibilities to the American legal system. [link=https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-02-14/read-mcconnell-speech-after-trumps-impeachment-trial-acquittal#:~:text=Put%20anther%20way%2C%20in%20the,away%20with%20anything%20yet%20%E2%80%93%20yet]As Mitch McConnell said[/link] when he voted to acquit Trump, We have a criminal justice system in this country. Yet not even a successful prosecution and felony conviction on any of the charges against him, in any of the multiple venues can disqualify Trump from serving as president. Because of G.O.P. cowardice, our nation is genuinely facing the possibility of a presidents taking the oath of office while also appealing one or more substantial prison sentences.
[link=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751[/link] -
[h1][b]Most Republicans Would Back Trump If He Were in Prison[/b][/h1]
A new [link=https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/trump-georgia-indictment-poll]Morning Consult poll[/link] finds 61% of potential Republican primary voters said they would still be willing to back Donald Trump both in the primary and general election if he were imprisoned.___________________
[h1][b]Explaining Republican Loyalty to Trump[/b][/h1]
[link=https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/explaining-republican-loyalty-to-trump-the-crucial-role-of-negative-partisanship/]Alan Abramowitz[/link]: Negative partisanship is the key to understanding the continuing loyalty of Republican voters to former President Donald Trump. Attacks on Trump by Democrats, liberals, and mainstream media figures and even indictments by federal and state prosecutors on serious criminal charges have only served to reinforce the loyalty of Republican voters to Trump. Republican voters see these attacks and indictments as efforts by the hated opposition party and its allies to weaken the former president and prevent his return to the White House.
Similarly, in a general election matchup between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, even Republicans who have reservations about Trump overwhelmingly prefer him to Biden because they believe the portrayal of Biden by Republican leaders and conservative media outlets as a radical leftist and a threat to the survival of the nation.
As a result, it appears likely that a rematch between Biden and Trump in 2024 will remain highly competitive with the outcome hinging on a small number of swing voters in [link=https://electoralvotemap.com/]a handful of closely contested states[/link] an outcome that could lend itself to attacks on the integrity of the election by the former president and his allies.
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From the southern White House to the cinder block White House.
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[link=https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4170911-most-in-new-poll-say-trump-should-be-tried-before-election/]Most Americans say Trump should be tried before election
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62 percent of Americans said they think the classified documents case should go to trial before the election, and 61 percent said the 2020 election interference case should be tried before voters cast their ballots next year.
Some 59 percent also said the election subversion case should be tried before the Republican primaries starting in early 2024, while 57 percent said the same of the charges over Trumps handling and retention of classified materials.[/QUOTE][link=https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4170911-most-in-new-poll-say-trump-should-be-tried-before-election/]
[/link][link=https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/politico-indictment-august-2023]Politico Magazine-Ipsos poll
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[ul][*]that stability hides a deepening partisan split. Fewer Republicans now say Trump should stand trial before the general election in November 2024 (33% in August 2023 say he should for the 2020 election subversion case vs. 46% in June 2023 for the sensitive documents case).[*]But, more[b] independents now feel that Trump should stand trial before November 2024. Sixty-three percent of independents feel Trump should stand trial before the 2024 presidential election in November 2024, while 14% think he should not,[/b] and 22% do not know (1% skipped the question). In June, 48% of independents thought Trump should stand trial before November 2024, 18% felt he should not, and 34% were not sure.[*]Democratic opinion is constant, with most feeling he should stand trial before November 2024. [/ul] [/QUOTE]
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Doesnt matter who the Republican nominee is. The mainstream media and the New Authoritarian Democratic Party will label him or her as the new biggest threat to democracy who must not be allowed to gain control by any means necessary.
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Doesnt matter who the Republican nominee is. The mainstream media and the New Authoritarian Democratic Party will label him or her as the new biggest threat to democracy who must not be allowed to gain control by any means necessary.
And the GOP, Fox, and right wing talk will label any Democrat as a socialist who wants to take your guns away and turn your kids gay
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Nope. There are reasonable people in the democratic party. But its the loud far left minority who have turned the party into the New Authoritarian Democratic Party who has weaponized the department of justice to go after political opponents. They are now going after Elon. Tucker probably will be next.
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Havent hit the block button in a while but here goes.
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[link=https://navigatorresearch.org/most-americans-see-all-indictments-against-trump-as-both-serious-and-legitimate/]Navigator Research poll[/link]
by a 62% to 30% margin most Americans think Donald Trump has committed a crime. Independent voters think Trump is guilty by 67% to 18%. …thats a net 7-point shift from just two weeks ago
[link=https://politicalwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/F4YPxI0WwAQfDM1.png][image]https://politicalwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/F4YPxI0WwAQfDM1.png[/image][/link]
It looks like the political impact of an actual Trump conviction are probably not factored into the polling of the 2024 presidential race yet. The nightmare scenario for Republicans …up and down the ballot… especially since so many seem fine with voting for Trump in any scenario … is that hes convicted next summer after winning the GOP nomination and *then* his poll numbers tank.
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DICOM, blocking me? I see, the New Authoritarian Democrat Party does not like facts or free speech that challenges the approved narrative. .
Squash opponents by censorship! Not debate!
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DICOM, blocking me? I see, the New Authoritarian Democrat Party does not like facts or free speech that challenges the approved narrative. .
Squash opponents by censorship! Not debate!
Tell me you don’t understand what ‘censorship’ is …
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Oh I know its censorship is. If you were the moderator here I would be banned.
Just like I was banned from Facebook physician groups for questioning mask efficacy and speaking out on the harms of school closures
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It doesn’t sound like you do …
Another member blocking you is *not* censorship.
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Agree, its not technically exactly censorship.
But its how the intolerant leftist members of the New Authoritarian Democratic Party deal with opinions that differ from theirs. Dissent is not welcome. Thats why Tulsi Gabbard was exiled from the New Authoritarian Democratic Party. She disagreed with the approved narratives and free speech is no longer welcome.
UNITY!!!
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[h1][b]Is Trump disqualified for the N.H. primary? The secretary of state is seeking legal advice.[/b][/h1]
[h2]I will be asking the attorney generals office for their input, Secretary of State David Scanlan told the Globe. And ultimately whatever is decided is probably going to require some judicial input.[/h2]
[link=https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/08/25/metro/is-trump-disqualified-for-the-nh-primary-scanlan-seeks-legal-advice/]Boston Globe[/link]: Secretary of State David Scanlan, who will oversee the first-in-the-nation presidential primary in just five months, said hes received several letters lately that urge him to take action based on a legal theory that claims the Constitution empowers him to block Trump from the ballot.
Scanlan, a Republican, said hes listening and will seek legal advice to ensure that his team thoroughly understands the arguments at play.
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Oh this is good. Conservative commentators now saying that Trump’s mug shot is going to bring him African American votes because not they see him as a “gangsta” and one of them
[link=https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1695181678853910970?s=20]Fox News host Jesse Watters
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“Black Americans online some of them are saying Im voting for Trump now because they too have sometimes felt theyve been unfairly targeted by the criminal justice system…. That’s the election right there.”______
[link=https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-contributor-says-black-lady-told-him-trumps-a-gangsta-after-mugshot-that-means-he-has-cred/] Raymod Arroyo on Laura Ingraham
[/link][link=https://youtu.be/SLxYQJ8pebs?si=HasWdfSylpC6jwTp&t=2873]Newsmax’s Grant Stinchfield[/link]
Laura Loomer:
[link=https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1695190437634392555]https://twitter.com/Laura…us/1695190437634392555[/link]
The Black Vote is going to come out strong for Donald Trump in 2024. They just arrested Trump and booked him in the blackest jail the state of Georgia on phony, Trumped up charges. Fani Willis just made Donald Trump the most relatable man on the ballot for the black community.
Dinesh D”Souza
[link=https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1695100601586106626]https://twitter.com/Dines…us/1695100601586106626[/link]In the urban black community, a mug shot can be an iconic symbol, both of victimization and of greatness. Its a defiant UP YOURS to the man. Think Tupac Shakur. Trump is now the ultimate gangsta in our culture
Watters: Black Americans online, some are saying I'm voting for trump now because they too have sometimes felt they’ve been unfairly targeted by the criminal justice system. pic.twitter.com/dlvbi7tD3K
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 25, 2023
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Colorado Lawsuit Seeks to Keep Trump Off Ballots Under 14th Amendment
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/us/politics/trump-colorado-lawsuit-14-amendment.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2…suit-14-amendment.html[/link]
The amendment says anyone who engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution after taking an oath to defend it is …
