[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Battleground Ad Blitz Ties DeSantis to Trump[/b][/h1]  
[link=https://www.axios.com/2023/03/10/democrats-desantis-trump-biden-battleground-states]Axios[/link]:
 
Hes not even officially running against President Biden (yet), but Democrats are already using Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwReLSYB4tY&ab_channel=JennieRoger]battleground state ads[/link] urging voters to stick with Biden in 2024. 
 
Dems are betting DeSantis culture-war politics are a turnoff to women and working-class voters in rural counties, and theyre lumping him with former President Trump and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy in messages about battling extremists.
 

[satyanar]

Normally Im not keen on the lumping strategy. However, DeSantis deserves it because its true. 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23706881-cnn-poll-most-republicans-care-more-about-picking-a-2024-gop-nominee-who-agrees-with-them-on-issues-than-one-who-can-beat-biden]https://www.documentcloud…one-who-can-beat-biden[/link]

[link=https://twitter.com/CNN]CNN[/link]
2024 GOP Nomination:

Registered Republicans and GOP-Leaning Independents

Ron DeSantis 39%
Donald Trump 37%
Nikki Haley 7%
Mike Pence 6%
Tim Scott 2%
Chris Sununu 2%
Asa Hutchinson 1%
Mike Pompeo 1%
Glenn Youngkin 1%
Someone else 3%

[btomba_77]

The GOPs Bubble of Trump Denial:

Axios
Several top Republicans keep saying theres no way former President Trump can win the 2024 GOP nomination but polls say he can.

Trumps rivals and critics underestimated him in 2016, often treating him as a sideshow rather than a front-runner. They risk repeating that mistake.

Many of those either running for the GOP nomination or considering a run are spending more time focused on dinging Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis than Trump, the actual frontrunner.

[btomba_77]

National Reviews Rich Lowry –

[link=https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/16/republicans-biden-trump-2024-election-00087242]https://www.politico.com/…2024-election-00087242[/link]

[b]Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat[/b]
The power of incumbency and a Trumpified GOP give Biden the advantage in 2024.

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Biden is not a dead man walking; hes an old man getting around stiffly. Biden is vulnerable, but certainly electable; diminished, but still capable of delivering a message; uninspiring, but unthreatening.

.

Biden was never going to be the next LBJ or FDR as a cadre of historians had seemingly convinced him early in his presidency. But he punched above his weight legislatively during his first two years, getting more out of a tied Senate and slender House majority than looked realistically possible. Hes set up to have the advantage in this years momentous debt-limit fight, since its hard to see how congressional Democrats arent united and congressional Republicans divided.

Theres no fortune quite like being lucky in your enemies, and Biden could well get a big break in this respect yet again. However much Republicans may wish he were a pushover, hes not, and they should be acting accordingly.

[btomba_77]

[h3][link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-democrats-rather-face-donald-trump-or-ron-desantis-in-2024/]Democrats Would Rather Face Ron DeSantis than Donald Trump (slightly)[/link][/h3]

Democrats slight preference for DeSantis over Trump even if DeSantis might currently be better positioned to beat Biden could be about one simple thing: Democrats really, [i]really [/i]dont want to deal with the former president again and might not currently be thinking in terms of whos more beatable.

…

Of course, we shouldnt jump to conclusions about Democrats preferred challenger based on surveys conducted months ago. And lets remember this isnt about Democrats [i]liking[/i] DeSantis more, or even knowing much about him at all. [link=https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/amgyx481q0/results_Comparing%20Trump%20and%20DeSantis.pdf]A more recent YouGov survey[/link], from late February, showed that Democrats had a slightly more favorable (28 percent) [i]and[/i] unfavorable (67 percent) opinion of Trump than they did for DeSantis (25 percent favorable, 60 percent unfavorable), suggesting that many Democrats simply havent made up their minds about the Florida governor. Indeed, 15 percent of Democrats didnt have an opinion on DeSantis in the poll, while only 4 percent had no opinion of Trump. We see [link=https://morningconsult.com/2023/02/13/desantis-looks-more-electable-than-trump-against-biden/]similar numbers[/link] in other polls as well. Its possible, then, that Democrats preferences are squishy at this point and will continue changing as they learn more about DeSantis after his expected presidential campaign officially kicks off.

…

The question is whether Democrats will change their minds as the primary goes on, especially if they perceive Trump as a weaker general-election candidate (although [link=https://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118]he was perceived that way in 2016[/link], too, and we all know what happened then). Theres plenty of reason to think that might be the case: Trump-led Republicans have now endured three bad elections in rapid succession. In 2018, [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-it-was-a-blue-wave/]they lost the House[/link]. In 2020, they lost the presidency and [link=https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2020-us-senate-election-results-live-map/]the Senate[/link]. And in 2022, while they won the House [link=https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-control-republicans/]by a slim margin[/link], they otherwise failed to score the gains [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/08/midterms-dissatisfied-voters-render-judgments-biden-republicans/]that weve come to expect[/link] of the opposition party in a midterm year.

…

[b] [/b]Its also possible that Democrats just dont want a redux of the 2020 election. 

[/QUOTE]
 

[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Majority Say Criminal Charges Should Disqualify Trump[/b][/h1]  
A new [link=https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3870]Quinnipiac poll[/link] finds that Americans, by a 57% to 38% margin, think criminal charges should disqualify Donald Trump from running for president again.

___

If it does end up Trump v Biden that just makes it another referendum on Trump.
 

[btomba_77]

[h3][link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/04/donald-trump-fight-lawsuits-and-still-run-for-president/673595/]Trump’s Legal Problems Are Putting the GOP in a Vise[/link][/h3]
The investigations highlight all the aspects of his political identity that have alienated so many swing voters.

The dilemma for the Republican Party is that Donald Trumps mounting legal troubles may be simultaneously strengthening him as a candidate for the GOP presidential nomination and weakening him as a potential general-election nominee.

…

That conundrum {, that Trump’s legal troubles strengthen his primary position but weaken his appeal in a general election} will only intensify for Republicans, because it is highly likely that this is merely the beginning of Trumps legal troubles. As the first indictment against a former president, the New York proceeding has thrust the U.S. into uncharted waters. But the country today is not nearly as far from shore as it may be in just a few months. Trump faces multiple additional potential indictments. Those include possible charges from Fulton County, Georgia, District Attorney Fani Willis, who has been examining his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in that state, as well as the twin federal probes led by Special Counsel Jack Smith into Trumps mishandling of classified documents and his efforts to block congressional certification of President Joe Bidens victory.

…

[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/03/will-it-matter-if-republican-leadership-unites-against-trump/673254/]Given Trumps hold on a big portion of the GOP coalition[/link], no one should discount his capacity to win the party nomination next year, no matter how many criminal cases ensnare him. And given the persistent public dissatisfaction with the economy and lackluster job approval ratings for Biden, no one dismisses the capacity of whoever captures the Republican nomination to win the general election.
 
The best-case scenario sketched by Trump supporters is that a succession of indictments will allow him to inspire even higher turnout among the predominantly non-college-educated and non-urban white voters who accept his argument that liberal elites and the deep state are targeting him to silence them. But even the heroic levels of turnout Trump inspired from those voters in 2020 wasnt enough to win. For the GOP to bet that Trump could overcome swing-voter revulsion over his legal troubles and win a general election by mobilizing even more of his base voters, Bennett said, seems to me the highest risk proposition that I can imagine.
[/QUOTE]
 

[btomba_77]

Not a single swing voter in a single swing state will vote for our nominee if they choose to talk about the 2020 election being stolen.  ~ Georgia Governor Brian Kemp, quoted by  [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/politics/brian-kemp-donald-trump-republicans-2024/index.html]CNN[/link], in a not-so-veiled swipe at Trump.

[ruszja]

As of today, Trump is ahead of Biden.

And that’s with the ‘announcement bump’.

70% don’t want him to run, including 58% of democrats.

Now he may not be able to say his age (his words), but he ‘feels good’ so it’s all a-ok.

[satyanar]

I always enjoy seeing what you have to say fw. Typically full of good logic and real world experience. I know you are well to the right politically but also no fan of Trump. What’s the solution? It is frightening to me that Biden is the best the Dems have to put up.

[Unknown Member]

Sounds like the election is over

Biden loses no matter what

By logic I mean

[satyanar]

Well thats not what I read into his posts but I am more interested in his actual response than yours. Ill wait.

[Unknown Member]

2 things

1. He is going to for trump(or any other republican)if its trump
Vs Biden

2. I dont want biden to run but Im voting for biden over trump or any other republican running

the 58% of democrats who dont want bide to run is a very misleading number because they are still voting democratic no matter what

[btomba_77]

RFK Jr. has to put out a statement clarifying that he won’t run on a ticket with Donald Trump …

[link=https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1656323009139953667]https://twitter.com/Rober…us/1656323009139953667[/link]

… not a good campaign sign for a (theoretical) Democrat

[btomba_77]

[b]John Cornyn Says Trump Cant Win[/b][/h1]  
 
Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) has joined the anyone-but-Trump caucus, becoming the most prominent Texas Republican to shun the former presidents 2024 comeback bid, the [link=https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2023/05/18/cornyn-says-trump-cant-win-in-2024-gop-needs-someone-else-as-presidential-nominee/]Dallas Morning News[/link] reports.
 
Said Cornyn: We need to come up with an alternative. I think President Trumps time has passed him by and whats the most important thing to me is we have a candidate who can actually win.
 
He added: I dont think President Trump understands that when you run in a general election, you have to appeal to voters beyond your base. Theres no question that President Trump has some enthusiastic supporters as part of his base. That works well for him in a Republican primary, but not well when you need to expand your appeal in a general election.

 

[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Crime Trend Turns Bidens Way[/b][/h1]  
Republicans pummeled Democrats on crime during the 2022 midterm elections, [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2022/political-ads/?itid=lk_inline_manual_3&mkt_tok=NTU2LVlFRS05NjkAAAGMMGgGDTi_bcfB4NQzbs6iRblMG2g2CyvwNVQJTBaU1DplBIhSHHSsakN_gggwKZ4BcRVaxhesempxKF4eIgphTHeZTpjWDHlKYqUxUl4Gy_Az]spending roughly $50 million[/link] crime-related ads.
 
But the issue may be losing its salience as the parties prepare for the 2024 cycle.
 
[link=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/us-murder-rate-decline-crime-statistics/674290/]The Atlantic[/link] notes the murder rate is falling:
[blockquote] Murder is down about 12 percent year-to-date in more than 90 cities that have released data for 2023, compared with data as of the same date in 2022. Big cities tend to slightly amplify the national trenda 5 percent decline in murder rates in big cities would likely translate to a smaller decline nationally.
But even so, the drop shown in the preliminary data is astonishing.
 
[/blockquote] And a [link=https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem]report from Third Way[/link] finds that the murder rates are actually higher in red states than blue ones.
 
Republicans have tried to [link=https://politicalwire.com/2023/03/07/democrats-steam-at-white-house-over-crime-bill/]force Democrats into difficult votes[/link] over the issue, but it may no longer be as powerful as it was during last years midterms.
 

[Unknown Member]

The entire republican mantra is things are terrible and about yo get worse

Meanwhile

Unemployment near decades lows

Inflation coming down every month

Russia did not steamroll Ukraine and actually might lose

Stocks are holding their own

Covid over

For some reason republicans forget how badly Trump Fd up
The covid response tried to destroy nato and attempted to burn the constitution

I repeat

Republicans are fng crazy

[kayla.meyer_144]

Yeah but, what about all those other bad things that we havent even discovered that Dems havent fixed?

[stlmchenry_510]

Bottom lineI wouldnt trust anyone who wanted to have power and control over someone else.

[stlmchenry_510]

Our government is literally a nursing home.

[amyelizabethbarrett28_711]

[link=https://babylonbee.com/news/family-torn-between-placing-grandpa-on-hospice-or-having-him-run-for-senate]https://babylonbee.com/ne…ing-him-run-for-senate[/link]

Family Torn Between Placing Grandpa In Hospice And Having Him Run For Senate

LOUISVILLE, KY A local family was faced with a difficult decision this week regarding whether to place their beloved grandpa in hospice care or have him announce a campaign for a U.S. Senate seat. The grandfather and potential candidate, Philip Gabbert, is 98 years old and suffers from advanced dementia.

“We could really go either way on this,” said Bryce Gabbert of the decision. “He’s in really rough shape and has very little quality of life these days. Common sense says he belongs in hospice, but with the way things are in Washington these days, he could really become a major power player. He can’t really speak or think clearly anymore, but who are we to not give him the opportunity to run the country?”

With elected officials like Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Diane Feinstein, and John Fetterman serving in high government positions, political parties have focused on recruiting the most aged, decrepit, and impaired candidates available to campaign. “The worse they are at being able to reason and communicate, the better,” said Robbie McKean, who helps run Democratic political campaigns in the state. “If McConnell ends up resigning, there will be a battle for his seat, and who better to take that spot than an even older, more debilitated codger?”

At publishing time, the Gabbert family was still struggling with the decision, torn between doing what is best for Grandpa or doing what would be more likely to set up the family for several generations’ worth of wealth built upon illegal bribes, insider stock trading, and campaign kickbacks.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Well yeah but who young(er) is not only running but getting elected?

We need younger candidates but also younger voters out there actually voting on the issues they want. Issues that are something more than tax cuts & deregulation. Like womens issues.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Republicans overwhelmingly supporting Trump despite everything.
 
“Yes, he committed crimes but I will still vote for Trump.”
 
“Because Biden is worse.”?????
 
WTF beliefs.
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-republicans-poll-crimes.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-republicans-poll-crimes.html[/link]

Donald J. Trump [link=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-jokes-shoot-losing-support/story?id=36474145]famously marveled[/link] during his first presidential campaign that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and he would not lose any support.
He now seems intent on testing the premise of unwavering loyalty behind that statement.
The [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/us/politics/trump-indictment-charges-documents-justice-department.html]federal charges[/link] against the former president seem to have cost him few, if any, votes in the 2024 election, even as the number of Republicans who think he has committed serious federal crimes has ticked up.
 
He continues to hold strong in a hypothetical general election matchup, despite the fact that 17 percent of voters who prefer him over President Biden think either that he has committed serious federal crimes or that he threatened democracy with his actions after the 2020 election, according to [link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voters-crosstabs.html]the latest New York Times/Siena College poll[/link].
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/16/upshot/september-2022-times-siena-poll-crosstabs.html]In September[/link], just 6 percent of self-identified Republicans said Mr. Trump had committed crimes. That number in the latest poll, which was conducted before federal prosecutors [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/us/politics/trump-documents-carlos-de-oliveira-charged.html]added additional charges[/link] in the classified documents case, is now 13 percent.
 
The share of Republicans who say they are not sure whether he committed crimes has also grown, to 13 percent from 10 percent in September. In total, a quarter of Republicans either believe Mr. Trump acted criminally or say they are not sure.
 

So far, however, having reservations about Mr. Trumps alleged wrongdoing does not appear to be leading Republican voters to reconsider their support for him. If anything, in public opinion polls conducted when he was indicted in March in Manhattan in relation to [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/19/nyregion/trump-hush-money-case-court.html]hush money payments to a porn star[/link], and then when he was indicted again in June by federal prosecutors in connection with retention of reams of classified national defense material, Mr. Trump was buoyed by Republican voters.
 
[b]In private conversations, Mr. Trumps advisers have been blunt they see the general election as vital to win in order to end the federal prosecutions against him.[/b]

 

[stlmchenry_510]

Right about now the real candidate corruption will start as all the special interest campaign donations start to flow in.

[btomba_77]

[h1]Learning from Karl Rove: Democrats Push Abortion Rights to the Ballot[/h1]  
Key Democrats hoping to keep abortion access a central part of the 2024 campaign are looking to the 2004 playbook of an old Republican nemesis: Karl Rove, [link=https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/07/politics/democrats-abortion-ballot-measures-2024/]CNN[/link] reports.
 
Rove was the architect of ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage placed in swing states to boost turnout for George W. Bush. Now Democrats are pushing ballot measures and an array of other moves to try to capitalize on a backlash to last years Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, which they say was instrumental in many of their wins in last years midterms.
 

[btomba_77]

[h1]Republicans Boxed In on Abortion[/h1]  [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/11/us/politics/abortion-republicans-elections.html]New York Times[/link]-
Republican leaders have followed an emboldened base of conservative activists into what increasingly looks like a political cul-de-sac on the issue of abortion a tightly confined absolutist position that has limited their options ahead of the 2024 election season, even as some in the party push for moderation.
 
Last years Supreme Court decision overturning a womans constitutionally protected right to an abortion was supposed to send the issue of abortion access to the states, where local politicians were supposed to have the best sense of the electorates views. But the decision on Friday by a conservative judge in Texas, invalidating the Food and Drug Administrations 23-year-old approval of the abortion pill mifepristone, showed the push for nationwide restrictions on abortion has continued since the high courts nullification of Roe v. Wade.
 
Days earlier, abortion was the central theme in a liberal judges landslide victory for a contested and pivotal seat on the state Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Some Republicans are warning that the uncompromising position of their partys activist base could be leading them over an electoral cliff next year.
 

[btomba_77]

xxxx wrong thread

[btomba_77]

[h2][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/12/cnn-poll-trump-indictment-gop-voters/]Swing voters reactions to the Trump charges are a warning to the GOP[/link][/h2] Among independents, the numbers are even more stark: Only 31 percent say Trumps actions were illegal, and 76 percent believe politics played a role in the decision to prosecute him in New York. Yet 62 percent approve of it.
 
But scary as these poll numbers are for our democracy, they should also be a wake-up call for Republicans. Because if you wanted proof that Trump has made himself irreparably toxic with swing voters who will choose the next president, this is it.
…
The problem is Republican primary voters will not decide the next election. There is every reason to expect that, once again, the outcome will be determined by a few hundred thousand voters in a handful of [link=https://usafacts.org/articles/what-are-the-current-swing-states-and-how-have-they-changed-over-time/]swing states[/link]. And those voters disproportionately dislike Trump. According to a new NPR-Marist [link=https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_Trump_202303240929.pdf]poll[/link], only 37 percent of independents approve of Trump, and 64 percent dont want Trump to be president again. These voters dont want to see Trump reelected; they want to see him [i]prosecuted[/i].
…

Trump has spent the past two years pursuing personal grievances and alienating the very people he needs to win back the presidency so much so that many are willing to see him prosecuted for a crime they believe he did not commit. It is nothing new to see the left breaking norms to go after Trump. What is new is seeing how many Americans seem willing to go along with it to prevent Trump from reaching the Oval Office again. Thats a message Republicans should pause to absorb before they make Trump their nominee in 2024.
 

[satyanar]

No way. Independent swing voters are in control? But what do they stand for?

[kayla.meyer_144]

Exactly. Being a swing voter does not explain anything about what they support or want. The swing label says these people can swing between parties but why they swing, not so much. And considering that swing voters have moved away from Trump & Republicans shows they have supported Trump & Republicans actions.  
 
So what do swing voters want then that they were for Trump & Republicans before they were against Trump & Republicans when the question is what do Trump & Republicans want when in power? Are swing voters just abandoning a sinking ship?

[satyanar]

Quote from Frumious

Exactly. Being a swing voter does not explain anything about what they support or want. The swing label says these people can swing between parties but why they swing, not so much. And considering that swing voters have moved away from Trump & Republicans shows they have supported Trump & Republicans actions.  

So what do swing voters want then that they were for Trump & Republicans before they were against Trump & Republicans when the question is what do Trump & Republicans want when in power? Are swing voters just abandoning a sinking ship?

 
You really are confused. I apologize for thinking you could handle a rational explanation. 

[kayla.meyer_144]

Where was your “rational” explanation? “What do “swing” voters stand for” is a question.

[btomba_77]

[h1]The GOP Has a Big  2024 Abortion Problem[/h1]  
As expected, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill last night [link=https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/14/desantis-signs-6-week-abortion-ban-into-law/]to ban abortion in his state at 6 weeks[/link].  While it may help him marginally in a Republican presidential primary, many think DeSantis has [b][link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/13/democrats-tie-anti-abortion-bill-around-desantis-swing-states-00091976]walked right into a general election trap[/link].[/b]
 
[b]
[/b]
Consider some numbers [link=https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2023/04/14/the-gops-abortion-problems-are-only-beginning-00092045]compiled by Playbook[/link]:
 
[ul][*]72%: Thats the percentage of Americans who oppose laws that make it illegal to use or receive through the mail FDA-approved drugs for a medical abortion, according to recent polling from PRRI.[*]63%: Thats the percentage of Americans who oppose laws that ban abortion after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, usually around the sixth week of pregnancy.[*]52%: Thats the percentage of Americans who oppose restrictions that make it illegal to obtain an abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. [*] [/ul]  
[b]These are terrible numbers for Republicans.[/b]
[b] [/b]
Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) knows it, [link=https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/13/tim-scott-tripped-up-on-abortion-ban/]which is why he had such a tough time[/link] answering questions on abortion yesterday.
Donald Trump knows it, [link=https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/13/inside-trumps-secret-meetings-with-the-religious-right/]which is why hes holding secret meetings[/link] with the religious right to get them to back off talk of a national ban.
 

Teagan Goddard: “Every single Republican running for president or even those thinking about it is on the wrong side of public opinion on this issue. Meanwhile, conservative judges and red state legislatures are pushing more extreme restrictions on abortion.  Its an unmitigated political disaster for Republicans in 2024.”
 

[btomba_77]

There are a few blocks of swing voters.
 
The classic is suburban women aka “soccer moms” –
 
They vote on security, public safety, the future for their children.   Right now the GOP is trying to convince them that a trans-kid running track  and peeing in the next stall over is a greater threat to their daughter than a psycho with an AK shooting up the school.   
 
They’re sensitive to economics, particular inflation, because they do the bulk of household spending and budgeting.
 
They want a world that is normal and safe and respectful to women.
 
And, recenty, they have swung strongly pro-choice and seem to voting based on candidate position on abortion, regardless of whether the office deals with abortion policy or not 
 
 
Next you have young Hispanic men – They are primarily driven by economics. They want good wages, affordable stuff, affordable safe housing.  Their views on immigration are complex.. they generally feel that they themselves did things the right way and view illegal immigration as “cheating” .. but they also want humane and competent immigration policy.
 
 
And then you have the disengaged low-information voter: They’re a few percent of the electorate. They have low turnout rates, but in a tight cycle you need them.  It’s hard to tell what issue motivates them. They may not know who they’re voting for until days before the election. One “October surprise” news story or well-placed ad might get their vote.
 
 
 
 

[satyanar]

Your team mate explained it Frumi. Hes been explaining it for months. Hes a hobby poster also.

[kayla.meyer_144]

Point is dergon, without swing voters, there’d be no Donald Trump & no threat of TRump being re-elected. Is it safe to say that the US is splilt 3 ways, approx 30% Republican, 30-40% Democratic, the remainder Swing voters? 
 
We know what conservatives want; we know what Democrats want. With Swingers, do we really know what they want? do they want positive things? What are they?
 
Yes, I know swing voters are concerned with crime, which is why George Santo got elected. Explain? conservatives in Long Island believe New York City has one of the highest crime rates in the country. Not true but you wonder where they get these ideas.
 
Inflation? Inflation being caused solely or primarily because of low wages being increased to over $15/hour? Really? Nothing to do with Chinese supply chain. Wonder where they get that idea. 
 
Economy worst ever? Yet unemployment is lowest ever. Wonder where belief in we have the worst economy ever comes from.
 
LGBTQ people want to sneak into bathrooms disguised as the other sex in order to recruit & molest your children. Wonder where that idea comes from.
 
Immigrants bring in crime & just bleed the system of taxpayer’s money. Except they pay in taxes ~$1.30 for every dollar spent on them and they have one of the lowest crime rates of all groups. And of course, DACA children aren’t American even if they’ve been here since infancy. They are just bleeding the taxpayers’ money. Wonder where they get that idea.
 
Wages? See inflation above: Conservatives have been opposed to raising low wages for decades, why should blue collar workers believe conservatives have their best interests in mind?
 
How many other bogus issues are there? Where are the positive things swing voters support? “Both sides” argue the other sides will bring bad things to the country but at least Democrats have positive legislation and ideas. What are the conservatives’ ideas? Supporting the GOP party’s candidate even if it is Trump, regardless of everything already done and proven?
 
That’s all. 
 

[satyanar]

Congrats. Hobby post of the year!

[btomba_77]

[i]Washington Examiner[/i]s Tim Carney with a simple take on the election:

I think that Democrats have a massive advantage in 2024 because either (a) the GOP nominates Trump, who will lose because normal swing voters are repulsed by him much more now than in 2016, or (b) the GOP nominates someone else and the only-Trumpers sit out the general.

[link=https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/1647986389802266624]https://twitter.com/TPCar…us/1647986389802266624[/link]

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[h1][b]Trump Fights Efforts to Block Him From State Ballots over Role in Jan 6 Insurrection[/b][/h1]  
 
Donald Trumps campaign team is preparing for a state-by-state legal battle later this year over untested claims that a Civil War-era clause in the U.S. Constitution bars the former president from appearing on Republican primary ballots because of his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/18/trump-ballots-january-6/]Washington Post[/link] reports.
 
Two nonprofit groups who do not disclose all their donors, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and Free Speech for People, have prepared multipronged legal strategies to challenge Trump across the country under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. They have written letters to state election officials calling on them to block Trump from the ballot, while separately preparing voter lawsuits and state election board complaints.
 

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[i]Washington Examiner[/i]s Tim Carney with a simple take on the election:

I think that Democrats have a massive advantage in 2024 because either (a) the GOP nominates Trump, who will lose because normal swing voters are repulsed by him much more now than in 2016, or (b) the GOP nominates someone else and the only-Trumpers sit out the general.

[link=https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/1647986389802266624]https://twitter.com/TPCar…us/1647986389802266624[/link]

 
Finally starting to believe it/me?

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[h1][b]Trump Keeps the Biden Coalition Together[/b][/h1]  
 
[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/20/us/politics/biden-presidential-announcement.html]New York Times[/link]: The political durability of the Republican front-runner, former President Donald Trump, has added to Mr. Bidens ability to keep a coalition of Democrats together, including progressives who have at times taken issue with some White House policies. Mr. Trump, who has continued leading polls despite being indicted by the Manhattan district attorney this month, has proved to be a glue holding factions of the Democratic Party in place since 2020, when Mr. Biden won the South Carolina primary after losing the first two early state contests.