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How FOX News became an entertaiment monolith
What is the difference between the techniques of Fox’s Roger Ailes & Russia’s Putin?
Nothing.
How and why Americans can be so ignorant about facts. Give the facts along with someone who denies these facts pretending to be even-handed aobut it, then imply that nothing is real, that facts are all “opinions” only & create conspiracies.
Oh, and make it entertaining!’ “Infotainment!”It’s called propaganda.
[link=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/world/europe/russian-tv-insider-says-putin-is-running-the-show-in-ukraine.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…e-show-in-ukraine.html[/link]
He listened in amazement, he says, as a prominent news anchor reviewed the coming events as if they were part of a film script, musing on how best to entertain the audience and questioning who that weeks enemy should be.
It was shocking, said Mr. Pomerantsev, speaking over coffee in London last month. They really saw television and news as a movie, and talked about it as a movie.
[b]He says one favorite trick was to put a credible expert next to a neo-Nazi, juxtaposing fact with fiction so as to encourage so much cynicism that viewers believed very little. Another was to give credence to conspiracy theories by definition difficult to rebut because their proponents are immune to reasoned debate.[/b][b]What they are basically trying to undermine is the idea of a reality-based conversation, Mr. Pomerantsev said, and to use the idea of a plurality of truths to feed disinformation, which in the end looks to trash the information space.[/b]
[b]Its not so much an information war, but a war on information,[/b]
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Apparently Frumi has an issue with listening to other points of view. Unfiltered information should not be such an irritant.
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FOX definitely changed what is perceived as the News in this country.
I liken it to the legal profession and what happened to it in the 80’s
The legal profession used to be quite respected. Then in the early 70’s a few Lawyers decided to advertise and ever since that time its become a cess pool of a profession for the most parts. Sure there are some really good lawyers but most of the profession is scum/
The News industry is following the same path since FOX came out and decided to be fair and balanced in mantra only. Now 90% of the News is biased trash
MSNBC sold it soul just like FOX
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Since when has the American equivalent of PRAVDA been a legitimate point of view, alda? Because American PRAVDA sells your POV? PRAVDA sells Putin’s POV, that doesn’t make it legitimate. FOX is more POS than POV.
In the 1970’s the Democrats started folding about a lot of things, kpack, allowing if not outright adopting the Republican arguments about “pro-business” legislation that culminated with Clinton abandoning Glass-Steagall.
Here we are.
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answer: Bill O-Reilly and Kimberly Guilfoyle’s legs.
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Thank god we have respected journalists like Brian Williams at CBS to give us the true unbiased news !
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Fox News is a business, like any other. Its programming appeals to a significant pleurality of viewers, who want more objective depiction of the news. Does Fox accomplish this? Not always, but I think they do a better job of it.
Case in point…the death of Michael Brown. During the hard news segments, Fox reported this without emotional overtones. “An 18 year old unarmed teenager was shot by a policeman claiming self-defense. Investigation is ongoing.” While CNN’s rendition was something like “An 18-year old unarmed black teenager was shot 10 times, reportedly several times in the back and with his hands up, by a white policeman.” Their own personal/corporate views were injected into a story. That’s fine for editorials and such, but not for a program purporting to be unadulterated hard objective news.
Yes, Fox has indulged in this sort of thing too, and I wish they would all have to have an indicator at the top right corner of the screen that declares a program news or opinion piece.
The bottom line is that Fox’s version of journalism sells advertising.-
It’s immensely popular in Rural America
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The FCC should have never allowed advertising during the news broadcasts. The scrum for eyeballs and the $$ that follow them was, in retrospect, predictable.
In fact, you could make an argument that many of the broadcasters are in violation of the FCC licenses, the corporations to run by people of “good character”, who serve the “public interest”, and speak with “candor”.
They’re all pretty bad these days, except for maybe PBS News Hour. But FOX and MSNBC take the BS to a whole other level.-
Interesting how strong the opinions of those who don’t watch FOX news are against FOX. It is nice to have one news outlet that is willing to challenge the propaganda coming out of the White House. FOX is so far ahead of the competition that it is not even funny. Brett Baer, Megyn Kelly, Charles Krauthammer, George Will … These are very smart and reputable journalists who are not afraid to call BS on the endless spin and lies coming from the left. Look at the facts, the Duke Lacrosse case, the Michael Brown case, the Obama surrender to Iran, the IRS abuses, the Harry Reid destruction of the US Senate… who called them out?
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They’re all pretty bad these days, except for maybe PBS News Hour. But FOX and MSNBC take the BS to a whole other level.
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The FCC should have never allowed advertising during the news broadcasts. The scrum for eyeballs and the $$ that follow them was, in retrospect, predictable.
In fact, you could make an argument that many of the broadcasters are in violation of the FCC licenses, the corporations to run by people of “good character”, who serve the “public interest”, and speak with “candor”.
They’re all pretty bad these days, except for maybe PBS News Hour. But FOX and MSNBC take the BS to a whole other level.
YES!! YES YES!! Fox is dangerous ..Fox is poisonous …Fox is Pravda … Fox is the everything synonymous with bad. Ratings have NOTHING to do with it . Who cares if they get three times as many people to watch them as MSNBC. As the OP implies their network is a propaganda tool of evil provocation for those conservatives who fight against the democratic social state. People are in fact CONNED into watching Fox—the FCC needs to investigate this NOW!!!.
That Roger Alies is a modern day PT Barnum mixed with Randolph Hurst. He should be hung!!!! Anybody expressing a point of view different than what our honorable fearsome multicultural hero President wants, should never be allowed to be broadcast..period..end of story. Fox should never be allowed to collect a cent in advertising revenue because they are such fanatics criticizing that great man. PBS is the paragon of new virtue. Did you see that wonderful piece on David Geffen!! PBS was wonderful at giving Liz Warren a platform in the 1990s and 2000s.
Fox ..it’s infotainment or just entertainment mixed with information–whatever you can say about it ..it just wrong, pigheaded and should be shut down by the FCC. Lois Lerner or whoever!!! Now lets compare that with NBC news and Rolling Stone magazine –those venerable institutions. Brain Williams and Rolling Stone get it right—creatively conforming the news to important liberal social causes like the ongoing war against women, and , proving how treacherous Bush was with by ignoring the dead with Katrina!! It doesnt matter if there was a rape or not at UVA ….a dead body floating by or not ….its the narrative that has to occur to “go forward” in NBCs mind. Who wouldnt agree that the poor need their own narratives to rally behind this great President. Any liberal with a soul and a brain cell knows and will openly admit that Fox needs to be banished because they oppose Obama and his great wisdom!!
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Ratings are down for everyone accept the local news outlets
More and more people are realizing it’s all BS when politics get involved
Both sides
Fox is immensely popular in rural America because they are always 10 years behind the curve
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I get most of my news now by following people on twitter.
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Jon Stewart, the comedy show with more factual news in 1/2 hour than Fox has all night. If not always 100% true, it comes very close. Along with Colbert & Oliver among other.
[link=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/feb/11/jon-stewarts-epic-rundown-politifacts-fact-checks-/]http://www.politifact.com…itifacts-fact-checks-/[/link]We found some polls that did not show Fox at the bottom, and in a few cases, Fox viewers seemed to be better informed than other audiences. (See all the polls we looked at in our original fact-check.)
Stewart, to his credit, copped to being wrong soon after we published our fact-check.
[b]”PolitiFact — the nonpartisan fact-checking guy, or guys, or girls — thoroughly researched my statement and they found that while, in two of the surveys, Fox News scored the lowest, in two of the polls, they were merely near the bottom. …[/b]
“I defer to their judgment and apologize for my mistake. To not do so would be irresponsible. that would undermine the very integrity and credibility that I work so hard to pretend to care about. Hey, I wonder, you know what? I know PolitiFact checks mostly political statements from politicians and such, but has PolitiFact ever checked Fox for false statements? Im hearing they have.”
Even Bill Maher has more information and “facts” than Fox & gets it right about what’s wrong with “news.”
[link=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/14/1364392/-Bill-Maher-excoriates-]http://www.dailykos.com/s…Bill-Maher-excoriates-[/link]Brian-Williams-and-broadcast-media-for-being-derelict
Brian Williams shouldn’t have to go away because he lied. He should have to go away because the NBC Nightly News sucks. And so does the CBS evening News with Scott Pelley and ABC News World Tonight.
Brian Williams lie about the helicopter? That didnt destroy his credibility with me. Ten years of wasting precious news time on bullshit stories about car chases and bears in the swimming pool and store clerks fighting back and returning soldiers surprising their kids at the big game and Power Ball jackpots and stupid Spanish tomato fights. Thats what destroyed his credibility with me.I know what you are thinking. Who cares bill nobody watches broadcast news anyway. No. Actually over nine million people watch Brian Williams every night, about twelve times more than CNN.
Delivering the news is a sacred responsibility. It is telling us the important things we need to know. It shouldnt be a race to the bottom over who can attract more eyeballs with titillation. If it is lets get it over and show porn in the last segment.
its time for the medical segment which is usually on obesity and a great excuse to run endless footage of fat people whose faces we do not see. And then they interview a doctor who says big fad leads to obesity. Thanks doc.Then the twenty two minutes are almost up. It is time for everyones favorite part of the broadcast, the feel good human interest story because America, youve worked hard. Youve had to sit through two, maybe three minutes of hard news. And you deserve a break.
Jon Stewart gets watched because his is one of the few sources of “real” news that Fox & the broadcast news does not provide. The one with “information” and “facts” in it. Much more than Fox or NBC or CBS or ABC.
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More and more people are realizing it’s all BS when politics get involved
Hmm not really..I think it is more akin to the old leftists and liberals acting like the responsible parents of the baby-boomers shouting down that rebellious rock and roll.
The old liberal guard know that Fox lets the genie out of the bottle by its broadcasting it’s mantras such as smaller government, like the rockers did with sex and drugs to our generation. You’re absolutely right in that Fox has too much of the attention of unimportant “fly over country”. We have seen the uneducated masses in elections dating back to 1980 quickly and lethally organizing to throw out democrats and liberals who bring them the potential greatness, effectiveness, fairness of expanding government to provide for all their needs. Now a few generations forward from 1980, there are seemingly permanent voting blocks that prevent the absolute necessity and hard logic of high taxes and democratic socialism from taking effect.
Its up to the old responsible liberals to EXTINGUISH that heresy of smaller government popularized by the enormous Fox viewership, just like some DJs broke those rock n roll records. If liberals cant sensor the Fox message, well..it will be like the Chuck Berry song “the old folks never can tell” and are august old liberals will let cynical profit taking and self-responsibility be the meme instead of great government equalizing everything regardless of ability or national status. -
Fox is mainstream in rural America
Not a lot if liberals live in rural America
Fox is old white and male
And they have the time to sit around and watch telivision
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Boy I wish you were right. But the Fox and conservatives message keeps getting out to those who vote. Its sooooo frustrating that bigger and bigger congressional republican and conservative majorities keep getting elected through the years.
It sad but true–the foolish and destructive message of self sufficiency and smaller government seems to be on the rise. I think you maybe right if you look at the some of the demographics of Fox viewership. But, they are still influential and should be shut down like what that courageous leader Chavez did with his media in Venezuela more than a decade ago. Now more than a decade later, Venezuela is still in the moral and productive hands of the workers and it is great there now. Im glad that President Obama and leftists are finally taking some actions like Chavez to control criticism from our natural evolution to being parts of the larger state. -
Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections? Right?
And all of the margins haven increased
More and more they are a party of the Midwest south and rural America
So I’m not exactly sure what you are basing your bigger and bigger conservative majority on
But hey if you live in a town if population less than 1000. You are prob right
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I seem to recall that when Republicans owned all 3 branches of government, they GREW government, not made it smaller.
Republicans only want smaller government when they are not in power. Tea Partiers only want smaller government for others but love their government benefits.
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I’m laughing at the bigger and bigger conservative majority comment
That’s too funny
The party has lost the national vote 5 out of the past 6 times but…..they are bigger and bigger
Hahahaha
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So, the alternatives are (is) major anchors who straight out lie to their viewers (Williams) or a guy who hides behind his program as a “comedian”?
I know very well what Fox is (controversy, ratings, hype, but also some respectable voices and discussions/arguments now and again). The problem is, I know what the rest are, Frumi and it’s not pretty.
That’s what is so weird about you and yours. You attack and attack but your “side” hates the truth more than anyone, and is obsessed with emotion more than them all. -
Another Conservative questions Fox News’s accuracy & honesty.
Takes some a long time to open their eyes.
Love the Fox supporters’ excuses, lying and misinformation and alternative facts is “entertainment” as opposed to the “hard-news reporters” on Fox. Uh, there are “reporters” on Fox? I missed them. Wallace comes the closest to honest. Can’t think of anyone else though.
“Infotainment” is NOT news. It’s not even information. It is alternative reality. What people used to call “lies.”
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/05/15/fox-news-undermines-a-free-independent-press/]https://www.washingtonpos…ree-independent-press/[/link]
For years now, Fox News PR and Fox News reporters have maintained the fiction that the evening Fox lineup (e.g. Sean Hannity, previously Bill OReilly, more recently Tucker Carlson) should not be confused with its hard news operation. They accuse media critics of intentional blurring the distinction to smear the real news operation. (Right Turn has received complaints over the years from Fox execs and at least one Fox hard news figure on precisely this point.)
The specious argument overlooks Foxs [i]intentional[/i] blurring of the line (e.g. allowing the Hannitys and Bill OReillys to use the Fox logo, sit at a news-like desk and conduct post-debate interviews). It also ignores the degree to which Fox & Friends and other Fox daytime programming, not to mention FoxNews.com, regurgitates right-wing falsities (e.g. illegal immigrants are responsible for rampant crime, climate change is not real) and avoids critical analysis (e.g. neglecting to point out that the GOP is misrepresenting its own health-care bill). We are getting down to a very few journalistic exceptions to the Trump cheerleading most prominently, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace (who nevertheless is saddled with the least ideologically balanced round-table of all the Sunday morning shows).
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Fox is biased, but so is *every single* news medium – and the vast majority are biased in favor of the “Left.” CNN was perceived, for a while, as centrist because it managed to maintain its facade of professional impartiality, but after this past election, the emperor’s nakedness was apparent to all.
I just choose to get my news from selected outlets on the Left and Right. And none are TV stations or comedy shows.
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“Everyone lies and has lied at least once in their lives” therefore everyone is equally as bad as the worst swindler, thief, addict, politician, criminal who all lie as a matter of course. As we all do. All lies are the same. All liars are the same. There are no levels of Hell, there are no differences in lies, only 1 Communist level where all are equally bad.
There’s a helpful value.
No, everyone does not lie and not equally. “Bias?” You mean biased as in there is no objective truth, Objectivity is impossible, there is only your opinion and my opinion, truth is irrelevant?
No, you are wrong. Yours is an “alternate” truth, an “alternate fact.”
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Wow, great straw man right there. Hardly surprising coming from someone who writes as a dumb a statement as “everyone does not lie.”
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The eye candy is what made FOX.
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O’Reilly is hardly eye-candy. At least to my eyes.
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The eye candy is what made FOX.
Apparently so. The real meaning of Infotainment. Women as meat, but attractive meat where their physical attributes can be shown to best advantage.
Oh yeah, women have brains too. But that’s secondary to their attractiveness. It’s the “trophy” part that’s the only important thing.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/10/kelly-fox-bombshell]https://www.washingtonpos…10/kelly-fox-bombshell[/link]Turn around let me see your ass, Juliet Huddy, a former Fox News host, recalled Ailes telling her in a video [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmSz7HqkI9s&feature=emb_logo]shared [/link]Thursday by Megan Kelly after the women watched the movie together. Two other victims of harassment at Fox, Rudi Bakhtiar and Julie Zann, joined them to share their thoughts on the fictionalized drama about the scandal that upended their careers.
All four of the women said Ailes had asked them to twirl for him. Only Bakhtiar, a former Fox News correspondent, said she refused. Kelly recalled the humiliation she felt after Ailes asked her to spin for him.
I remember feeling like, I put myself through school; I was offered partnership at [link=https://www.jonesday.com/en]Jones Day[/link], one of the best law firms in the world; I argued before federal courts of appeal all over the nation. I came here, Im covering the United States Supreme Court, Kelly said. And now he wants me to twirl, and I did it. If you dont get how demeaning that is, I cant help you.
Although Kelly kept her job at the right-leaning news channel, the other three women lost their jobs after reporting incidents of sexual harassment against the likes of former Fox News titans CEO Roger Ailes,[link=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/business/at-fox-news-kisses-innuendo-propositions-and-fears-of-reprisal.html] anchor Brian Wilson[/link] and [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/04/02/bill-oreilly-an-awful-awful-man/?tid=lk_inline_manual_15]host Bill OReilly[/link]. All four women agreed the spin scene captured their experiences well. Still, they said, the film couldnt capture the depth of their horror.
It was worse than that, said Zann, who worked as a Fox News producer and accused Ailes of sexual harassment, when asked for her immediate reaction to the film. She added that the movie really let Roger off easy.
Bakhtiar, who had been a rising star at CNN before joining Fox News in 2006, said a scene where Wilson, the anchor, asks her to take him up to her hotel room [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/business/at-fox-news-kisses-innuendo-propositions-and-fears-of-reprisal.html]really happened that way. [/link]
That was the end of me, Bakhtiar said. As soon as I complained, I lost my job.
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Kelly must be really naive if she thinks she was on TV for her wit.
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My opinion
They have developed a news network based on getting their viewers upset/angry about everything
Anger sells and they preach to those who feel victimized by life
They are very successful at mining negative culture
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Every time I walk by a TV with it on I see negative words and anger
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What a myopic one sided bias view on these news outlets. Women as meat? Only at Fox? I guess you all forgot about:
Mark Halperin at MSNBC.
Matt Lauer at NBC. Everyone knew including the top brass what he was doing to female employees and how he was controlling their careers. Least not forget how NBC tried to bury the Ronan Farrow story on Harvey Weinstein.
Charlie Rose and Les Moonves at CBS.
CNN Don Lemon being sued for grossly touching someone.
Anger only on Fox. I guess you missed the story last week that CNN settled the defamation suit with a 15 yo boy from Covington KY. Their on-air personalities such as Fredo (Ill throw you down the stairs bro) Cuomo and Ana Navaro besmirching his parents among others were involved with. Yeah there was no anger or rage on that story right? He still has numerous suits still pending including the possibility that the judge will reopen his suit against WaPo. Hes gonna be a rich kid thanks to news outlets. Yeah right its only Fox that has the issues.
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Touched a nerve I see
Actually my high school friend is a live producer on FOX news
He told me a few years ago that FOX has to ad one feel good story every morning to their show just to lighten the mood of all the other negative stuff and anger that they produce
Thats why you see one feel good story often about military or law enforcement every day
He acknowledges that most of their audience are pessimistic and like anger and negativity
Whatever works I guess
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….., and why are FOX guests always yelling????
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What I find funny is these FoX news types and trumpers in general deep down know its true
…… because the second you ask them ….Why SO ANGRY…….,
They get defensive and accuse everyone else of being angry
Funny sheet
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Touch a nerve. Not at all. I see the BS in these posts. The bias and hypocrisy is evident in all these outlets. These 24 hour outlets have had a detrimental affect in a lot of ways with their wall to wall pro or anti Trump programming. To try to claim its just one outlet is ridiculous. Sexual harassment of women apparently runs rampant in all these organizations and Hollywood. CNN and MSNBC went two years wall to wall coverage on the collusion delusion. Yelling at each other on Fox. I have seen some of CNNs people get pretty nasty. Have you ever seen Ana Navarro on CNN go off on people? The stupid comments that come out of Brian Stelters mouth. How about APs April Ryan (frequent guest on CNN) with her faux strong stance on Trumps treatment of the right of the free press then turns around at an appearance and has a reporter thrown out, her bodyguard assaults the reporter and criminally charged. Thats her view of the free press. Or the so-called weekend rage warrior Joy Ried who years earlier was making homophobic comments on well known individuals only to lie and claim she was hacked. Its not one network. Its all of them and that includes behind and in front of the camera.
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The connection that negativity drives engagement which of course drives views and advertising revenue in social media, and the news which relies on social media to monitor engagement, is well established. The interactions on this very forum drive that connection home.
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Women as meat? Only at Fox?
From a what they’re putting on TV stand point I would say yes. I’ve watched different new channels. Most people on TV are good looking people. Everyone has women in news. What sticks out to me was like Kim Guilfoyle. She would always sit on the end looking leggy with her 6 inch stilleto heels on.
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Oh so now its the shoes? Really? Do you have fetish on women’s shoes? You posted once about Melania wearing heels to the plane. Now your posting about women on Fox w heels like their the only ones? Have you ever seen Oprah Winfrey on TV? How about Gayle King? So in your view women that wear heels are a problem. How so? Are you suggesting women that wear heels look like meat?
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Anger
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Anger? You using the word anger is so ridiculous as everyone on these forums knows you are the angriest immature individual on here.
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Defensive and angry
Then point the finger back at the other guy
Its okay really it is
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Here for your benefit since you apparently did not read the accounts by the FOX women:
[b]Turn around let me see your ass[/b], Juliet Huddy, a former Fox News host, recalled Ailes telling her in a video [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmSz7HqkI9s&feature=emb_logo]shared [/link]Thursday by Megan Kelly after the women watched the movie together. Two other victims of harassment at Fox, Rudi Bakhtiar and Julie Zann, joined them to share their thoughts on the fictionalized drama about the scandal that upended their careers.
[b]All four of the women said Ailes had asked them to twirl for him[/b]. Only Bakhtiar, a former Fox News correspondent, said she refused. Kelly recalled the humiliation she felt after Ailes asked her to spin for him.
[b]I remember feeling like, I put myself through school; I was offered partnership at [link=https://www.jonesday.com/en]Jones Day[/link], one of the best law firms in the world; I argued before federal courts of appeal all over the nation. I came here, Im covering the United States Supreme Court, Kelly said. And now he wants me to twirl, and I did it. If you dont get how demeaning that is, I cant help you.[/b]
Oh and do watch the video of the women talking after reviewing the movie.
[link]https://youtu.be/MmSz7HqkI9s[/link]
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I am not missing any points whatsoever. It’s disgusting what even one media outlet does to even one female employee. The fact is that it is NOT just one network that has violated and damaged their female employees. Your posts are so biased by your disdain for one network. I am not supporting Fox but I have a real issue w your posts making it sound like its one network because the other outlets slant very left.
Meanwhile the guys in charge at NBC that buried the Weinstein story, allowed Matt Lauer to have a remote locking system on his office door, rape a female employee in his hotel room while covering the Olympics, force employee(s) to have sex on his desk to keep their jobs, and everyone in the network including the upper mgmt. (that are still running the network) knew it was going on and protected their golden boy. So is it an acceptable business plan to keep corrupt upper mgmt at NBC based on everything that has gone on there? But to you its only Fox that has the problem.
[b][i]Now how many at FOX by comparison?[/i][/b]
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Is that really how low you want to go to argue your point about one network while ignoring the other nasty deeds? Disregard the women that were violated and what has happened at ALL Networks. Is your point lets win this thread by keeping score. Lets argue it happened more at one network than the others. OMG the anchors had to twirl. Do you really believe this only happens at Fox & does not happen in other industries? How shameful of you to not recognize that if even one employee was damaged that is one too many. How shameful to continue your tirade based on how many incidents because your hatred of one network w such ridiculous claims ONLY Fox practiced making the appearance critical for women news anchors.
Do you know the story of Janet Pekinpaugh? She was a TV news anchor in CT. Very vocal about her experiences in the CT local media. She sued and won for discrimination after being replaced by younger man. She was on air with Gayle King and they were split because you couldnt have two females on air. She also had alleged that she was ‘blacklisted’ by the station after she complained that her male co-anchor had groped her in a hotel room after a station broadcast. She won $8.3 million dollar lawsuit, double what she was asking.
How about the story of the of the suit filed this year in NYC by five females against Charter Communications? Age discrimination. They were replaced by younger females.
So yes Fox interviews were over the top but are they really the only ones?
So go ahead prove your point. Your argument is to keep score of how many this happened to compared to others w your masked rage where it really for you is not about the women but its about Fox. [b]Post number 16594[/b] to follow Im sure.
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Did Janet put out? Did she show men the inside of her bedroom/hotel room? Did she give men like Roger Ailes blowjobs? Was that expected as part of her job – if she wanted to keep her job?
Is twirling part of the normal employee interview?
Age discrimination is different from sexual predation. Sex discrimination is different from sexual predation. Ailes did what Weinstein is accused of, fabulous riches & fame for a little sexual attention. No attention, no career.
Not all bad things are equally bad. Not all corporations have an equally bad culture of sexual predation. And not all people in power think they are entitled to sexual perks from the staff to demonstrate their power.
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Hahahaha
Shes not mad….. just outraged
Classic
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Another thread to nowhere.
Next thing you’re going to make a thread on is how women sports reporters have it so hard. I love it how people get jobs based on certain characteristics and not merit, then complain about the same ideas that got them there, without the merit.
Hiring based on sex and race hurts everyone, and yes, it is codified in our laws at this point. Guess what? Clowns here will claim these laws aren’t sexist or racist.
It’s only OK if it’s for the falsely aggrieved … the classic “It’s ok, we want revenge” to bring people down to the lowest common denominator.
Certain people are exceedingly over-represented on the supreme court. Or NBA.
I wonder why we don’t hear about that at all? Wait … I use my brain and know the facts … so I already know. -
Looks like MSNBC Chris Matthews on the hot seat as report surfaces on his sexual harassment. Also reported that MSNBC in 2017 paid out separation compensation to a producer that made a claim against him. Seems it’s a problem in ALL the networks.
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Chris Matthews announces immediate retirement (translation retire or be fired). Apologizes for comments made to women. The sexual harassment issues follows after his comment about Sanders victory in Nevada was like Nazi take over of France. No more hearing about the warm feelings run down his leg.
He leaves the organization that attempted to bury the Ronan Farrow story on Harvey Weinstein, and joins the others w issues such as Matt Lauer, Brian Williams, and Mark Halperin. -
lefties are poosies, always apologizing and snake like trying to use sympathy to get in women’s pants
lol, another limp wrist retiring — reminds me of Charlie Rose
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[h1][b]Fox News: From ‘Fair and Balanced’ to Loyal Opposition[/b][/h1]
Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch said it is the job of Fox News to serve as the loyal opposition to the Biden administration, stating clearly the political biases of a network that until 2017 billed itself as fair and balanced, [link=https://www.nbcnews.com/media/fox-news-will-loyal-opposition-biden-fox-ceo-says-lachlan-rcna355]NBC News[/link] reports.
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Meanwhile, on Fox
[link=https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1…068142084?s=20]https://twitter.com/atrup…tus/1…068142084?s=20[/link]
He does look good. Im sorry, he looks better than our president Fox News Rachel Campos Duffy on Kim Jong Un
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USA USA USA
Frickin traitors
None of them ever served but they are Pro Merica
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Tucker admits he was wrong about Russia support, still blames Biden/Harris
[hr] [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftucker-carlson-admits-that-his-support-of-russia-was-wrong-blames-biden-and-harris-055814069.html]Read all about it[/link]On Thursdays [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fshows%2Ftucker-carlson-tonight][i]Tucker Carlson Tonight[/i][/link], [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftagged%2Ftucker-carlson%2F%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]Carlson[/link] admitted that he has been wrong about the [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Fukraine-says-2-000-civilians-134604344.html%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]Russian invasion of Ukraine[/link]. This comes after weeks of the [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftagged%2Ffox-news%2F%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]Fox News[/link] opinion host [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Ftucker-carlson-defends-russia-again-165848022.html%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]supporting[/link] Russia and [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmedia%2F2022%2Ffeb%2F25%2Ftucker-carlson-fox-news-russia-putin]defending[/link] Russian President [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftagged%2Fvladimir-putin%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]Vladimir Putin[/link]. Besides defending Putin, Carlson has said on [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkmcHNWpoBHE]multiple occasions[/link] that the U.S. should side with Russia and even said he was rooting for them in the eventual conflict that Russia itself started. Carlson was apparently surprised by Russian aggression.
This situation appears to become more chaotic by the day, possibly even spinning out of control and that, we must be honest, is shocking to us, Carlson said. We’ve been taken by surprise by the whole thing. Were not the only ones who were, but were willing to admit it. The only thing more embarrassing than being wrong in your estimates is pretending that you werent.
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Carlsons spin to forgive his[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Ftucker-carlson-openly-gaslights-viewers-051916289.html%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]defense[/link] of Putin and Russia was to blame the [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftagged%2Fjoe-biden%3Ffr%3Dsycsrp_catchall]Biden[/link] administration while at the same time taking a shot at Vice President Kamala Harris, rather than take responsibility himself. Carlson said that they didnt take Russias military build-up on Ukraine’s border seriously because Harris was sent to meet with European allies about the impending conflict.
If the future of Europe and the world hung in the balance, as now so obviously it does, of course, the Biden administration would not have sent Kamala Harris to fix it, Carlson said, later adding, That is absolutely not Kamala Harriss job. That was our assumption. But, as noted, we were wrong.
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Liar Tuck didn’t take it seriously because the VP did a trip to Europe? What a douche.
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This thread is one of many examples of what happens when people lose sight of who the real enemy is. Tribal warfare. Pathetic.
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The real enemy is misinformation
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The real enemy is misinformation
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Hear, hear.
The problem with Tucker Carlson isnt that he is tribal .
Its that hes a lying, racist piece of sh*t with a mass TV audience
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Hear, hear.
The problem with Tucker Carlson isnt that he is tribal .
Its that hes a lying, racist piece of sh*t with a mass TV audience
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Watch out Dan comments on a women wearing shoes sitting out front looking leggy can get you in trouble.
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What a myopic one sided bias view on these news outlets. Women as meat? Only at Fox? I guess you all forgot about:
Mark Halperin at MSNBC.
Matt Lauer at NBC. Everyone knew including the top brass what he was doing to female employees and how he was controlling their careers. Least not forget how NBC tried to bury the Ronan Farrow story on Harvey Weinstein.Charlie Rose and Les Moonves at CBS.
CNN Don Lemon being sued for grossly touching someone.
OK, obviously you are missing several most important things about FOX vs everyone else. NBC had Matt Lauer; MSNBC had Mark Halperin; CBS had Charlie Rose & Les Moonves. Now how many at FOX by comparison? Seems men who assumed the women would provide free fellatio was the actual business plan at FOX while the “liberal” networks had their one-off abusers and women providing sex to the male stars wasn’t part of the business plan. And let’s look at the visual. I recall many past right-wing posters on AM bragging about how physically attractive & “Sexy” the women on FOX were vs those women on the “Liberal” news stations. Hmmm, must be a coincidence. Seems these posters even believed conservative beliefs in women made them more physically attractive somehow than say Maddow who does not dress in pumps that I recall. In fact the “Liberal” news programs don’t need to puff-up their women newscasters the way Fox does. Any examples of how the women of MSNBC or NBC or CBS or CNN or all those other “Liberal” media dress their women in short tight dress to show off their posteriors. And we have never heard of these “Liberal” media interviewing their women newscasters by telling them to “twirl.” Is “twirling” at your place of employment a normal practice for the interview for your women staff?
I don’t think so. Read what Kelly & the other women are saying about the reality of the movie, that the movie “goes easy” on the reality of Ailes.
Not the same at all. I don’t expect eye candy for the newscasters when I watch the news. No twirling women in short tight dresses wearing stilettos. I like my news delivered professionally. I don’t expect to be titillated by the news by watching soft-core porn.
Now twirl please.
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Yeah CNN is a bastion of morality. Jeff Zucker, what an upstanding guy. He had a “consensual relationship” with an underling. Don Lemon allegedly groping people against their will in public, etc etc. Yep FOX had a disgusting culture under Ailes. But don’t pretend CNN is squeaky clean. Imagine if someone at Fox were accused of what Don Lemon was accused of. They would be crucified publicly and would not longer have a job. Please defend Don Lemon and Jeff Zucker, I’d love to hear your defense.
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“Whataboutism” is a propaganda method to equalize 2 different and unequal issues.
The problem is it only satisfies the initiated , the ones who selectively hear the dog whistles. You are still making an argument without merit.
The issue about Fox and its talking heads about their inability reporting facts, not about Ailes. That’s a totally different problem.
As for defending Lemon and Zucker, why? You don’t answer that simple question.
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You answered my question without answering it. Zucker’s “consensual relationship” and the allegations against Don Lemon are indefensible, and you seem to agree.
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Huh? I don’t know about Zucker or Lemon so if you’ve read between my lines, you’re hallucinating. The problem is about how Fox became an Infotainment monopoly. Are you suggesting Ailes’ & Zucker’s and Lemon’s harassment did that for Fox?
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[link=https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html]Tucker Carlson’s top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum
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The top writer for Fox News host [link=https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/08/tucker-carlson-duckworth-reality-check-avlon-newday-vpx.cnn]Tucker Carlson[/link] has for years been using a pseudonym to post bigoted remarks on an online forum that is a hotbed for racist, sexist, and other offensive content, CNN Business learned this week.
Just this week, the writer, Blake Neff, responded to a thread started by another user in 2018 with the subject line, “Would u let a JET BLACK congo n****er do lasik eye surgery on u for 50% off?” Neff wrote, “I wouldn’t get LASIK from an Asian for free, so no.” (The subject line was not censored on the forum.) On June 5, Neff wrote, “Black doods staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down.” On June 24, Neff commented, “Honestly given how tired black people always claim to be, maybe the real crisis is their lack of sleep.” On June 26, Neff wrote that the only people who care about changing the name of the NFL’s Washington Redskins are “white libs and their university-‘educated’ pets.”
And over the course of five years, Neff has maintained a lengthy thread in which he has derided a woman and posted information about her dating life that has invited other users to mock her and invade her privacy. There has at times also been overlap between some material he posted or saw on the forum and Carlson’s show.
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Tucker writer? No. Couldnt be.
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[link=https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1503002520460972037]https://twitter.com/David…us/1503002520460972037[/link]
[link=https://twitter.com/MotherJones]MotherJones[/link]
has obtained Russian government memos sent to pro-Putin media outlets telling them “it is essential” they feature Tucker Carlson in their coverage of the [link=https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hashtag_click]#Ukraine[/link] war “as much as possible.”
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Comrade Tucker Igor Carlson
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Benedict Arnold of the modern era
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What a waste. Tucker gets slaughtered before he is linked to an AM sycophant to drag down with him.
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[b]Russia’s Sergey Lavrov Praises Fox News: Only Outlet Trying to Represent Some Alternative Points of View[/b]
[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fnews%2Frussian-flack-sergey-lavrov-praises-fox-news-only-outlet-trying-to-represent-some-alternative-points-of-view%2F]https://www.mediaite.com/news/russia…oints-of-view/[/link]
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[link=https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1507399391698690055]https://twitter.com/atrup…us/1507399391698690055[/link]
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Im fine with opinion: conservative opinion, liberal opinion. But when people start to question the truth Who won the 2020 election? Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? I found that unsustainable.
Chris Wallace, quoted by the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/business/media/chris-wallace-cnn-fox-news.html]New York Times[/link], on why he left Fox News.
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Im fine with opinion: conservative opinion, liberal opinion. But when people start to question the truth Who won the 2020 election? Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? I found that unsustainable.
Chris Wallace, quoted by the [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/business/media/chris-wallace-cnn-fox-news.html]New York Times[/link], on why he left Fox News.
See what I mean?
I thought “everyone” who had “conservative” thought was a Trumper?-
Fox News/Business mentions this week
Hunter Biden: 143
Trump calling on Putin to release dirt on the Bidens: 3
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