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  • The end of college sports?

    Posted by eyoab2011_711 on March 26, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Put this in the category of be careful what you wish for…
     
    [link=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize]http://espn.go.com/colleg…ayers-win-bid-unionize[/link]

    btomba_77 replied 3 years, 8 months ago 13 Members · 60 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

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    March 26, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Keep in mind that this is just for Private schools.  There is a different governing group for public schools. 

    • btomba_77

      Member
      March 26, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      The NRLB only has standing in private shcools.
       
      But if the appeal to the whole NRLB still sees the players as successful I would think you would see many other colleges, both public and private, follow suit.

      • kaldridgewv2211

        Member
        March 27, 2014 at 8:03 am

        paying collegiate athletes.  Most of the intitutions that are making money on their programs are probably also offering rides to their players.  That seems like a pretty good benefit of playing for the school.

        • drmaryamgh

          Member
          March 27, 2014 at 8:27 am

          Remember that their scholarships, room and board, tutors, books, class fees, travel, uniforms and equipment, and health costs are CURRENTLY tax-free.  Let them unionize as employees, get paid a salary, and then let them pay for all of it and the taxes they incur.  Be careful what you wish for.

          • Unknown Member

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            March 27, 2014 at 9:21 am

            Quote from radmike

            Remember that their scholarships, room and board, tutors, books, class fees, travel, uniforms and equipment, and health costs are CURRENTLY tax-free.  Let them unionize as employees, get paid a salary, and then let them pay for all of it and the taxes they incur.  Be careful what you wish for.

            All incidents of despicable sexual transgressions will likely stop instantly and completely. That alone can justify the check and balance that unionizing provides.
             
            Otherwise, frankly, the economic issues you describe are irrelevant given the ridiculous level college sports has evolved (devolved?!) into.
             
             

            • Unknown Member

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              March 27, 2014 at 10:42 am

              This is only the first chapter

              There will be a lot more to this story once the lawyers and accountants wrap their arms around ways to maneuver, perhaps congress even gets involved

              We spent a billion dollars on hearings about Bengazi, this will be another reason to waste tax pay or money

              • Unknown Member

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                March 27, 2014 at 1:18 pm

                [b]”We spent a billion dollars on hearings about Bengazi, this will be another reason to waste tax pay or money” [/b]
                 
                Yeah Pacman, if the obummer, his minions and old lying hillary would tell the truth the cost would be minuscule.  But a truthful liberal is an oxymoron.

                • Unknown Member

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                  March 27, 2014 at 2:59 pm

                  You tell them pointdexter

            • drmaryamgh

              Member
              March 27, 2014 at 3:29 pm

              Quote from Lux

              Quote from radmike

              Remember that their scholarships, room and board, tutors, books, class fees, travel, uniforms and equipment, and health costs are CURRENTLY tax-free.  Let them unionize as employees, get paid a salary, and then let them pay for all of it and the taxes they incur.  Be careful what you wish for.

              All incidents of despicable sexual transgressions will likely stop instantly and completely. That alone can justify the check and balance that unionizing provides.

              Otherwise, frankly, the economic issues you describe are irrelevant given the ridiculous level college sports has evolved (devolved?!) into.

              My point is that when the student athletes bear the economic costs of their unionization they may wish that they had never put their feet into that bear trap.

              • Unknown Member

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                March 28, 2014 at 6:28 am

                Maybe they can sell biscuits on the side

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                March 28, 2014 at 6:34 am

                Quote from radmike

                My point is that when the student athletes bear the economic costs of their unionization they may wish that they had never put their feet into that bear trap.

                Why? Obviously their present treatment led them to find some solution in associating and bargaining as a group.

              • kayla.meyer_144

                Member
                March 28, 2014 at 6:39 am

                [link=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/sports/ncaafootball/national-labor-relations-board-rules-northwestern-players-are-employees-and-can-unionize.html]http://www.nytimes.com/20…-and-can-unionize.html[/link]
                 

                For decades, the major college sports have functioned on the bedrock principle of the student-athlete, with players receiving scholarships to pay for their education in exchange for their hours of practicing and competing for their university. But Peter Ohr, the regional N.L.R.B. director, tore down that familiar construct in a 24-page decision.
                He ruled that Northwesterns scholarship football players should be eligible to form a union based on a number of factors, including the time they devote to football (as many as 50 hours some weeks), the control exerted by coaches and their scholarships, which Mr. Ohr deemed a contract for compensation.
                It cannot be said that the employers scholarship players are primarily students,  the decision said.
                The ruling comes at a time when the N.C.A.A. and its largest conferences are generating billions of dollars, primarily from football and mens basketball. The television contract for the new college football playoff system is worth $7.3 billion over 10 years, and the current deal to broadcast the mens basketball tournament is worth $10.8 billion over 14 years.

                 
                and
                 

                [b]Mr. Ohr cited several examples to support his conclusion that Northwestern football players were on campus to play football and were different from other students. He noted that Northwestern football reported $235 million in revenue from 2003 to 2012, and that players are recruited for their athletic ability, not their academics. Team guidelines include drug testing and a provision that players cannot refuse a friend request from a coach on Facebook. If players do not follow the rules, their scholarships can be revoked[/b].

                 
                It’s not “just fun,” it’s about big time money.
                 
                 

                • drmaryamgh

                  Member
                  March 28, 2014 at 8:44 am

                  Again we hear from the baiter.  Not referring to you, Frumi.  I don’t think they realize the implications of becoming employees of NW.  Look at the tuition cost.  Their salary will be taxable and they will incur significant expenses.  What did they hope to gain?

                  • btomba_77

                    Member
                    March 28, 2014 at 9:06 am

                    Quote from radmike

                     What did they hope to gain?

                     
                    The right to collectively bargain for wages, benefits, working conditions and salary.

                    • drmaryamgh

                      Member
                      March 28, 2014 at 9:56 am

                      Quote from dergon

                      Quote from radmike

                      What did they hope to gain?

                      The right to collectively bargain for wages, benefits, working conditions and salary.

                      And the right to pay 15K per quarter for tuition.  

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      March 28, 2014 at 10:00 am

                      No, they’d still be eligible for scholarship. Plus they’d be earning a salary, presumably higher than $7.00 per hour. 

                    • drmaryamgh

                      Member
                      March 28, 2014 at 10:05 am

                      You may see the scholarships go away since their spot on the football team is an employed position.  That is the point I have been making.  I doubt the school will let the athletes “double-dip”, or at least they shouldn’t be able to.  

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      March 28, 2014 at 10:08 am

                      Never happen. Too much $$$ at stake. Scholarships are chump change compared to income from sports.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 28, 2014 at 10:11 am

                      Quote from radmike

                      You may see the scholarships go away since their spot on the football team is an employed position.  That is the point I have been making.  I doubt the school will let the athletes “double-dip”, or at least they shouldn’t be able to.  

                       
                      That’s one of many things they negotiate over once they gain collective bargaining power. 
                       
                       

                    • Unknown Member

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                      March 28, 2014 at 11:09 am

                      A lot of division 2-3 schools masquerade grants as scholarships.

                      Most of these schools don’t have the funds to pay athletes

                      Curious how or if any of this affects them

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      April 13, 2014 at 5:39 am

                      [link=http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/ohio-athletes-union-ban/]http://www.cnn.com/2014/0…io-athletes-union-ban/[/link]
                       
                       
                      Ohio GOP takes move to block collegiate athlete unions.
                       

                      As the right of college athletes to form unions is debated across the country, at least one state is moving to head off that idea at the pass.
                      An Ohio House committee added an amendment to a state budget bill Monday that says students attending state universities in Ohio “are not public employees based upon participating in athletics for the state university.”
                      It’s the latest reaction to the ruling last month by the National Labor Relations Board in Chicago that football players at Illinois’ Northwestern University are considered employees of their school and can vote to form a union.
                      Because Northwestern is a private school, the NLRB governs whether athletes there can vote to form a union. At public schools, that decision is governed by state law.
                      That prompted movement from lawmakers in two states Monday. In Connecticut, legislators said they were considering drafting legislation that would allow it. The amendment added to the budget bill in Ohio would ban it.

                       
                      Interesting move since they must know that the legislation won’t be binding since that would be up to the State labor board.
                       
                      But… union bashing is union bashing, even in sports.
                       
                       

                  • kayla.meyer_144

                    Member
                    March 28, 2014 at 9:53 am

                    Quote from radmike

                    Again we hear from the baiter.  Not referring to you, Frumi.  I don’t think they realize the implications of becoming employees of NW.  Look at the tuition cost.  Their salary will be taxable and they will incur significant expenses.  What did they hope to gain?

                    As if they will be taxed at 110%???
                     
                    Clean your glasses & look at the numbers. Tuition is chump change compared to income by the schools.
                     
                    Also try reading the ruling & why the verdict came down that way.  You don’t have to agree with why but still, you might learn something.

    • btomba_77

      Member
      August 9, 2014 at 5:09 am

      [b]
      Judge rules against NCAA[/b][/h1]  
       
      Major college football and men’s basketball student-athletes could be in line for paydays worth thousands of dollars once they leave school after a landmark ruling Friday that might change the way the NCAA does business.
       
      A federal judge ruled that the NCAA can’t stop players from selling the rights to their names, images and likenesses, striking down NCAA regulations that prohibit players from getting anything other than scholarships and the cost of attendance at schools.
       
      U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken, [link=http://espn.go.com/pdf/2014/0808/espn_wilkindecision.pdf]in a 99-page decision[/link] that followed a contentious three-week trial in June, ruled in favor of former UCLA basketball star Ed O’Bannon and 19 others who sued the NCAA, claiming it violated antitrust laws by conspiring with the schools and conferences to block the athletes from getting a share of the revenues generated from the use of their images in broadcasts and video games. The injunction she issued allows players at big schools to have money generated by television contracts put into a trust fund to pay them when they leave.
       
      “The Court finds that the challenged NCAA rules unreasonably restrain trade in the market for certain educational and athletic opportunities offered by NCAA Division I schools,” Wilken wrote.
       
      Wilken rejected the NCAA’s arguments in defense of its economic model, saying the “justifications that the NCAA offers do not justify this restraint and could be achieved through less restrictive means” while preserving college sports competition.
       

       
       

      • eyoab2011_711

        Member
        August 10, 2014 at 7:21 am

        The NCAA was stupid to allow EA sports to use players “likeness” on the cover (if they even new they were doing it).  The best solution has already occurred…no longer sponsor video games, but the damage is already done.  If players don’t like their conditions they need to lobby the NFL and NBA to sponsor minor leagues that they can enter out of HS.

        • btomba_77

          Member
          August 17, 2015 at 10:45 am

          [url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/northwestern-football-players-cannot-form-a-union-nlrb-rules]NLRB Rules Northwestern Football Players Cannot Form Union[/url]

          Northwestern University football players cannot form a union, the National Labor Relations Board ruled, overturning a March 2014 decision and ending the players bid to change the college sports landscape.  In its unanimous decision, the labor board skirted the issue of whether the players are employees and left open the door to other college athletes winning the right to unionize.

          The board cited the unique nature of college sports in saying it would foster instability to permit Northwestern football players to form a union while players elsewhere in the National Collegiate Athletic Association are not.

          “Our decision is primarily premised on a finding that because of the nature of sports leagues…it would not promote stability in labor relations to assert jurisdiction in this case,” the decision said.

          • scottgood421

            Member
            August 17, 2015 at 3:38 pm

            interesting implications for title IX had it passed.

            • suyanebenevides_151

              Member
              August 18, 2015 at 7:05 am

              Exactly, the right decision clearly was that particular sports can unionize. If women’s soccer wants to, good for them, but I doubt their negotiation would be anything better than what it currently is. It might even be worse given that more important and money making sports would take more resources away from the university.

              • scottgood421

                Member
                August 19, 2015 at 5:42 am

                Quote from Cigar

                Exactly, the right decision clearly was that particular sports can unionize. If women’s soccer wants to, good for them, but I doubt their negotiation would be anything better than what it currently is. It might even be worse given that [style=”color: #ff0000;”][b]more important [/b][/style]and money making sports would take more resources away from the university.

                 
                Cigar – you have a wonderful way of putting a metatarsal right up next to where the molar should be………….
                 
                There is no more important sport in the USA than womens soccer.  And there is no other sport that the US has dominated in a clean / fair and admirable way.  (Look at cycling and track and field if you want examples of “shame on the nation”)
                 
                This may be difficult for the misogynistic homophobic dinosaurs out there – but lets look at the global influence of women’s soccer.  Look at the athleticism and professionalism of the women’s national team, their global domination and accomplishments. 
                 
                No other sport has the global reach and no other team has elevated the USA to such a dominant position.
                 
                Baseball – half a dozen nations play it.  North American football?  2 nations play it and they can’t decide on the rules.  Ice Hockey – niche market.  Basketball – maybe a distant second to soccer.
                 
                The US women’s national soccer team is the pinnacle of sporting excellence and the only sporting area where the USA is respected and revered internationally.  Every player rostered for the last world cup within the national training program has come through a quality NCAA Div 1 program. 
                 
                If Title IX is undermined – there will be unintended consequences.

                • kaldridgewv2211

                  Member
                  August 19, 2015 at 6:08 am

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                  Quote from adopted canuck

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                  [style=”color: #000000;”]No other sport has the global reach and no other team has elevated the USA to such a dominant position. [/style]
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                  [style=”color: #000000;”]For Pete’s sake, not even say basketball?  Women’s sports are about as interesting as curling, log rolling, and whatever else passes for sport in Canada, eh?[/style]

                  • xavivillagran_893

                    Member
                    August 19, 2015 at 6:27 am

                    HOCKEY!!!!! Go Leafs Go!!!!

                    • scottgood421

                      Member
                      August 19, 2015 at 6:55 am

                      Not even basketball DICOM and I would argue that the US mens 2014 FIBA championship team is not quite as dominant as the USWN soccer team – given that Yugoslavia with Serbia / Montenegro have as many basketball world championships as the USA.
                       
                      global appeal, participation, global revenues……………
                       
                      Game set and match – soccer by a country mile.  
                       
                      I always giggle when the superbowl is hyped as the most watched sporting event on the planet.  absolute cuckoo, 
                       
                      Walshnuc – what can I say??  Hockey – LOL,   Leafs = LMFAO.  Our great nation has changed immensely over the last 30 years.
                       
                      Enjoy:
                       [link=http://www.macleans.ca/society/the-good-ol-soccer-game/]http://www.macleans.ca/so…e-good-ol-soccer-game/[/link]

                    • xavivillagran_893

                      Member
                      August 19, 2015 at 7:49 am

                      True that Adopted. Mind you…this article compared 2014 cup final between Rangers and Kings to World Cup? First, the SC final was in June…almost all the snow was gone by then (;0{)}. Also, NY vs LA? Yawn. Over 5 times (~15 million) Canadians watched Team Canada win hockey gold in Sochi that year. Hockey fans seem to need to be invested in the game, soccer fans seem to watch any team.
                       
                      Soccer is getting to be HUGE in Canada though. It’s much cheaper to get into than hockey and the parents don’t have to huddle in a cold rink. Personally, I was one of those that watched the Stanley Cup and not the World Cup. I played hockey until I was too old to play (to be good in nets, ya gotta be spry) and played soccer in the Ontario Soccer League for 4 years. The biggest fight I was ever in was in soccer (red card and suspended for 4 games by the OSL), and even with that, I still enjoyed playing hockey more. I “can” watch a game of soccer, especially if my British in-laws are around, but I just can’t get into it. One of my daughters played for a couple of years, but I found that as interesting as when they were in highland dancing. Can’t help it, I like what I like.
                       
                      Give me the Leafs and the Pats any day. Oh, and the Jays are playing good ball now…that’s another thread. lol

                    • scottgood421

                      Member
                      August 19, 2015 at 8:03 am

                      Jays are doing awesome walshnuc – I just can’t watch it though, don’t understand the game and too static for me, but awesome for the 6ix.  
                       
                      Did we dust up in the OSL a few years ago?  Was that you?…………………  Joking I only played old timers in Ontario – but that was a very chippy / physical affair!

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      August 19, 2015 at 8:08 am

                      a month or two later no one is talking about women’s soccer.  People still talk about the dream team.
                       
                      I still don’t see the college union thing as doable.  Play football, get the education.  It’s a win-win.

                    • xavivillagran_893

                      Member
                      August 19, 2015 at 8:44 am

                      Quote from adopted canuck

                       
                        
                       
                      Did we dust up in the OSL a few years ago?  Was that you?…………………  Joking

                      Not unless you were playing in the early 80’s. I’m old and only play old-timers softball now. If it was you, you started it and got what you deserved. [;)] Those were two legal tackles. I didn’t jersey you though.

                • suyanebenevides_151

                  Member
                  August 19, 2015 at 9:07 am

                  Quote from adopted canuck

                  Quote from Cigar

                  Exactly, the right decision clearly was that particular sports can unionize. If women’s soccer wants to, good for them, but I doubt their negotiation would be anything better than what it currently is. It might even be worse given that [style=”color: #000000;”][b]more important [/b][/style]and money making sports would take more resources away from the university.

                  Cigar – you have a wonderful way of putting a metatarsal right up next to where the molar should be………….

                  There is no more important sport in the USA than womens soccer.  And there is no other sport that the US has dominated in a clean / fair and admirable way.  (Look at cycling and track and field if you want examples of “shame on the nation”)

                  This may be difficult for the misogynistic homophobic dinosaurs out there – but lets look at the global influence of women’s soccer.  Look at the athleticism and professionalism of the women’s national team, their global domination and accomplishments. 

                  No other sport has the global reach and no other team has elevated the USA to such a dominant position.

                  Baseball – half a dozen nations play it.  North American football?  2 nations play it and they can’t decide on the rules.  Ice Hockey – niche market.  Basketball – maybe a distant second to soccer.

                  The US women’s national soccer team is the pinnacle of sporting excellence and the only sporting area where the USA is respected and revered internationally.  Every player rostered for the last world cup within the national training program has come through a quality NCAA Div 1 program. 

                  If Title IX is undermined – there will be unintended consequences.

                  [/style]
                   
                  [style=”color: #000000;”]It’s only foot in mouth if you are a politically correct buffoon or worried about unrealistic ideas. I’m not against women’s sports as a way for women to build confidence, compete and be part of a team. But this “misogynistic homophobe” has enough sense to realize that only an idiot would rather watch an inferior product and act like it’s superior. [/style]
                   
                  No women’s sport is the pinnacle of anything. Why do we keep trying to live in this delusional world? I don’t have a problem with watching and rooting for your team, whatever and whoever you are, but women aren’t as coordinated as men, and aren’t as good of athletes, and never will be. Sorry, another reality you’ll have to get mad about as “unfair.”
                   
                  Let’s say women never played sports again. Spectator-wise, no one would care. Period.
                   
                  And let’s be clear — you’re the ideologue. Maybe if you hope enough, anal sex will create a human being, too.

                  • scottgood421

                    Member
                    August 19, 2015 at 1:02 pm

                    LOL just got back from the Rogers cup and I can assure you that I find womens tennis is much more interesting than the mens game.  The technology has gotten ahead of the men and it is now based around strength of the first serve alone.  
                     
                    If the impact players on the womens soccer team weren’t gay – do you not think they would receive more in endorsements, screentime and publicity?  Of course they would………………… 
                     

                    • suyanebenevides_151

                      Member
                      August 20, 2015 at 7:00 am

                      Now it devolves to some social activism or financial arrangement argument. Why? Because everyone knows, even the adopted one, that women are an insult to sports if and when you ever watch men play.
                       
                      This society is diseased. Mentally delusional.
                       
                      Wait, I’ve got a great idea. Let’s populate our entire army with women! Yeah, that’ll scare other countries! And they’ll be better fighters, too! 
                       
                      Said no civilization that had any sense, ever.

                    • xavivillagran_893

                      Member
                      August 20, 2015 at 7:39 am

                      Cigar, I have to admit, when my girls were younger and just starting to play school hoops, I’d take them to the local university games and go early to catch the women’s game before the men’s. On each of their first trips, after the women’s game, I’d tell them that the men’s game is totally different and watch their eyes get big as they watched the men run onto the court in a line, toss the ball against the backboard for the next player in succession, and the center (at the back of the lineup) finish off with a power-dunk.
                       
                      One exception to your opinion however is beach volleyball. Nuff said. [;)]

                    • scottgood421

                      Member
                      August 20, 2015 at 9:00 am

                      Money talks and straightens out a lot of BS.
                       
                      [link=http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2015/08/12/the-worlds-highest-paid-female-athletes-2015/]http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2015/08/12/the-worlds-highest-paid-female-athletes-2015/[/link]
                       
                      Cigar – i would be curious to know your personal history of athletic attainment………  Any varsity colours or NCAA funding?  Any school records.  Did you represent or did you resent……………..
                       

                    • suyanebenevides_151

                      Member
                      August 20, 2015 at 10:28 am

                      You wouldn’t believe me if I told you.
                       
                      I can say with 99.99% certainty I am not only superior, but a far superior athlete than anyone who posts on this board. That might not even say much, but it’s funny to me to even think about any physician coming close.

                    • vascular28_304

                      Member
                      August 21, 2015 at 12:25 pm

                      It’s a a symbiotic relationship.  The school makes money on them, they are offered the training, and exposure to make it to the pros.  Leave it alone.  Perhaps those schools should stop pretending these guys are eligible as student athletes… All that wink wink nudge nudge, sure he goes to class,….goes away.  
                      I think that instead of making collegiate sports “bigger” or more pro like, we should encourage the NFL and NBA to set up their own minor leagues.  These are the 2 sports that involve the most money and the most NCAA violations…. Those two sports essentially have no minor leagues and have traditionally recruited from the colleges.  Most of the guys playing div I sports in the big schools are hoping to go pro, so why not be more honest, like baseball is… If a kid shows promise in high school, but is not college material, academically,  recruit them there, pay them as a pro in the MINOR leagues.. and let them work their way up that way.  Most of the disciplinary/behavioral problems the schools encounter, are with those athletes that are really disinterested, academically, anyway. They are focused on pro careers and using the colleges as their stepping stone.
                      I say pay them as professionals in a minor league.  If people want sports scholarships to continue at school, make the ones that play at the collegiate level, rather than a minor league, ineligible for draft/entry to pros.   Then follow where athletes go.  90% of those athletes have no interest in a degree. The ones that do, will play at college, take their scholarship and have a career in something other than the pros, which is the real purpose of a college education.  
                       
                       

                    • vascular28_304

                      Member
                      August 21, 2015 at 1:43 pm

                      Cigar… I may challenge you in the athlete/fit endeavor… but then, full disclosure… I’m not an M.D.   

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      September 12, 2019 at 3:24 am

                      [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/sports/college-athlete-pay-california.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/sports/college-athlete-pay-california.html[/link]
                       
                       
                      [b]California passes legislation allowing collegiate athletes to market themselves[/b]
                       

                      The Fair Pay to Play Act… cleared the State Assembly on Monday by a vote of 72 to 0, with support from civil rights advocates and free-market proponents. A version of the bill had already cleared the Senate.
                       
                      The measure, S.B. 206, would go into effect Jan. 1, 2023, and it has provoked the expected opposition from the N.C.A.A., the University of California and California State University systems and prominent private colleges like Stanford and the University of Southern California.
                       
                       
                      This bill is the latest tussle in a longstanding debate about the commercial spoils of N.C.A.A. amateurism, [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/sports/obannon-ncaa-case-court-of-appeals-ruling.html?module=inline]a model that has largely survived court challenges[/link] even as it has been whittled at the margins.
                       
                      ..
                       
                      Similar bills are in their infancy in state legislatures in Washington and Colorado, and United States Representative Mark Walker, Republican of North Carolina, introduced a federal bill this year that would allow college athletes to be compensated for the use of their name, image and likeness.
                       
                       
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                    • katiemckee84_223

                      Member
                      September 12, 2019 at 8:55 am

                      The NCAA is a byproduct of it progenitor cartel, colleges and universities. Of course it is the same kind of entity.
                       
                      Lots of cartels in modern, delusional America: ABMS is another, with its member boards, for example — that we all know and love (to hate).

                    • kayla.meyer_144

                      Member
                      September 12, 2019 at 10:31 am

                      Quote from xrayer31

                      Cigar… I may challenge you in the athlete/fit endeavor… but then, full disclosure… I’m not an M.D.   

                      So who won the challenge? 
                       
                      My $ is against cigar/IB. All hot air & empty brag. A very leaky bag.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 9:45 am

                      [link=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/supreme-court-appears-to-favor-college-athletes-in-ncaa-pay-case.html]Supreme Court appears willing to side with college athletes against NCAA in compensation case

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                      During 90 minutes of arguments held by phone Wednesday, the justices appeared skeptical of the claim made by the NCAA that payments to students for things like musical instruments and internships will sour fans who are drawn to the amateur quality of its competitions.
                       
                      The case is the latest legal challenge over the NCAAs compensation policies and comes amid a high-profile and related push by student athletes seeking to profit off their own names, images and likenesses.
                       
                      The NCAAs March Madness basketball tournament will hold its championships for women and men on Sunday and Monday.
                       
                      Justices appointed by both Republicans and Democrats seemed persuaded by arguments made by the attorney for the student athletes, Jeffrey Kessler, that the NCAA was violating federal antitrust law with its restrictions on education-related payments.
                       
                      A federal district court struck down those restrictions and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the decision. The case was brought by Shawne Alston, who was a running back for the West Virginia Mountaineers, and other student athletes.
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                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 10:25 am

                      Well that will be easy.  Now there will just no longer be college sports.  They will have to form independent pro leagues like MLB minor leagues, etc.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 10:37 am

                      That works for me. The college educational experience, especially at big universities, would be better if big sports were gone.
                       
                      Club teams can fill the void for participation and camaraderie 

                    • kaldridgewv2211

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 11:19 am

                      if it does go through I’ll be curious to see how this implemented.  

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 11:23 am

                      Quote from DICOM_Dan

                      if it does go through I’ll be curious to see how this implemented.  

                      the most likely outcome is a collective bargaining agreement with revenue sharing with student athletes

                    • clickpenguin_460

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 11:34 am

                      Quote from dergon

                      That works for me. The college educational experience, especially at big universities, would be better if big sports were gone.

                      Club teams can fill the void for participation and camaraderie 

                       
                      Hey, we completely agree on something!
                       

                    • jennycullmann

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 4:47 pm

                      Quote from Cubsfan10

                      Quote from dergon

                      That works for me. The college educational experience, especially at big universities, would be better if big sports were gone.

                      Club teams can fill the void for participation and camaraderie 

                      Hey, we completely agree on something!

                       
                      Can we at least get rid of women’s sports first, just to admit that that farce was even greater? Man, the last time I watched women’s college basketball I almost threw up. But it did provide a great setup for one of the funniest family guy bits of all time:
                       
                      [link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws__KmKYc9I[/link]

                    • jennycullmann

                      Member
                      March 31, 2021 at 4:38 pm

                      Quote from Cubsfan10

                      Well that will be easy.  Now there will just no longer be college sports.  They will have to form independent pro leagues like MLB minor leagues, etc.

                       
                      I would love this. The low lifes keep biting the hand that feeds them. Enough of this BS that always turns into victimhood and politics. It’s just a game, bro. Fun to play but meaningless big picture.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 9, 2014 at 3:55 am

    [link=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11045682/ed-obannon-lawsuit-ncaa-paying-players-set-begin]http://espn.go.com/espn/o…ying-players-set-begin[/link]
     
    [b]
    NCAA athletes get their day in court[/b][/h1]

    After nearly five years of maneuvers and machinations that would baffle a law professor, former UCLA star Ed O’Bannon will walk into a federal courtroom Monday as the star witness in a trial that will decide whether the NCAA must pay college athletes for its use of their likenesses in television broadcasts, video games and other consumer products.
     
    The trial, in Oakland, Calif., comes after more than two dozen lawyers filed some 1,300 related court documents since 2009. It comes after numerous NCAA attempts to terminate O’Bannon’s quest, all of them unsuccessful. It comes after the case has been consolidated, de-consolidated and partially settled.
     
    And, most important, it comes at a critical time in the history of college sports, when the power conferences take in more than a billion dollars in a single year, when numerous head coaches are paid $7 million per year, when assistant coaches can make $800,000, and when universities are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on stadiums and training facilities.
     
    Former athletes like O’Bannon and many current athletes are no longer willing to settle for a full scholarship and the glory of the games; they are asking for their share, and they’re doing so aggressively. In addition to O’Bannon’s lawsuit, 24 other legal actions are pending against the NCAA, all of them seeking a sharing of wealth in one form or another. In the most dramatic of the lawsuits, often referred to as the “Kessler case,” current players are seeking what was once unthinkable — an injunction that would eliminate the NCAA’s bar against paying salaries and force big-time football and basketball schools to pay players in addition to granting scholarships.
     
    While fighting to defend their organization and its core ideals of the student-athlete and amateurism, NCAA officials also are preparing to intervene in a historic proceeding before the National Labor Relations Board in Washington, D.C. The five-member board is reviewing a decision made in Chicago that Northwestern University football players are employees and can form a union.
     
    As if the mass of litigation and the unprecedented labor activism among college athletes were not enough, the NCAA is also the target of what may be a major reform effort in the U.S. Congress led by bipartisan group in the House of Representatives.
     

    • kaldridgewv2211

      Member
      June 9, 2014 at 8:40 am

      So if any of the athletes do get a share of the money, does that then mean that high schoolers can get in on the action?  High school football games are sometimes televised locally.  Some towns/cities etc… have built really nice stadiums.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    March 31, 2021 at 2:13 pm

    [link=https://twitter.com/ChantelJennings/status/1377264921520566274/photo/1]https://twitter.com/Chant…64921520566274/photo/1[/link]
     
    The Alito questioning does not bode well for the NCAA

  • btomba_77

    Member
    April 6, 2021 at 4:56 am

    “I believe that we have just watched the last March Madness in which the players on the court do not receive some form of additional compensation.”
     
    ~ Major Garrett, CBS News.

  • btomba_77

    Member
    June 21, 2021 at 7:54 am

    [link=https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1406978404184887298]https://twitter.com/SCOTU…us/1406978404184887298[/link]

    NEW: In a victory for college athletes, SCOTUS unanimously invalidates a portion of the NCAA’s “amateurism” rules. The court says the NCAA can no longer bar colleges from providing athletes with education-related benefits such as free laptops or paid post-graduate internships.

    Justice Gorsuch delivered the opinion for a unanimous court. Justice Kavanaugh wrote separately to concur.

    [link=https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf]https://www.supremecourt…./20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf[/link]

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    [link=https://twitter.com/SportsLawGuy/status/1406986290009157634]https://twitter.com/Sport…us/1406986290009157634[/link]

    • btomba_77

      Member
      June 21, 2021 at 8:01 am

      [b]Those traditions alone cannot justify the NCAAs decision to build a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not fairly compensated.[/b]