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Guns in schools
Should this become the norm, teachers with concealed guns?
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gb14TxGFjaNfNsI_oNCTYWfrXXfgD92PRQP00
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We trust the teachers with our kids any way. With or without a gun, it the teacher was a wackjob, they could do something bad, but with a gun they might be able to stop that “confused” kid that wants to take out his/her anger/fustration/lonlieness on everyone else. Do they not do some type of background check on teachers anyway? or do they just turn our kids over to anyone?
It just [i]might[/i] prevent another school shooting.
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That is a very good point. However, there are some “borderline” teachers who are more than able to pass under the radar yet might do something inappropriate such as show off the gun, not secure it properly, or use it inappropriately after losing his temper. However, for the reasons you gave, I would agree it should be allowed. Just one or two teachers in a school who are armed could stop a disaster.
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It is a ludicrous idea. This is media borne; there is such a fear of Columbine like incident; and they are so rare. Maybe we should spend more time doing a better job of identifying risky students; that might be more productive, and save more lives.
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It is not a ludicrous idea to allow it. But it is ludicrous to think that it will have any significant effect on reducing school violence. There would perhaps be one death every few years as a result of allowing teachers to have guns in school, and perhaps once in a dozen years or so a mass killing might be prevented. On balance, it would have little if any effect.
The issue is similar to allowing pilots to carry weapons. A hijacking might be foiled perhaps once in twenty years from the policy. On the other hand, there might be some bizarre incident where someone is killed as a result. On balance, it is not an effective way to fight hijacking. But it doesn’t hurt. Why not let pilots carry guns if they want?
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sure sign of a world off the deep end….
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If there are “borderline” teachers that can pass under the radar, teachers that the school boards are running back ground checks and all that they do when checking them out, then how do you propose we a better job of identifying the at risk students? Run a check on every student?, not to mention the non-student wack job that just picks a school to make a “statement”.
Our childern are our most importent asset, the most [b]valuable thing[/b] we have, deserving of THE most protection that we can give them, if we trust these people with our childen 5 days week, up to 8 hours a day, to mold them, teach them, be one of the most influential people in their young lifes, then why not trust them with a gun, if they choose to have one?
I belive that the reason this school board will allow these teachers to carry weapons is to pervent a confrontation or be perpared for one. “The [b]Second Amendment[/b] protects the right to possess and carry weapons (i.e. “keep and bear arms”) in case of [b][u]confrontation[/u][/b].”
[b][i][u]I would let MY childern go to this school.[/u][/i][/b]
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I agree with MISTRAD it’s an idiotic idea spawned by the media doing it’s usual job of blowing things out of proportion. You want guns in the schools? Then pony up the dough and staff them with professional security that knows what the hell they are doing. I want someone who knows the feel of a shot of adrenalin in them while trying to aim and shoot a firearm against a moving target, not some amateur who took a weekend gun safety course. You watch, this will only result in an “accidental shooting”, it is not going to make our schools one bit safer.
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There probably will eventually be an accidental shooting. Then again, there may eventually be an incident where some hero teacher actually does shoot down a mass murderer (eventually).
However, in the grand scheme of things, it is not going to make nearly as much difference as using other methods.
It would not be a second amendment violation to not allow them, nor would it be significantly unsafe to allow them.
If some teachers think carrying guns is so important, let them do it.
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I think if you were able to look at the statistical probability i.e. what is the probability a child will be “accidentally shot” versus the statistical probability a teacher with a gun will “save the day” you would know if it was a good decision or bad. Personally I think a teacher with a gun is far more likely to hit an innocent bystander. Since the larger shootings are preplanned by the killers all teachers may be doing is putting themselves first in the firing line. Fortunately, school shooting are extraordinarily rare, so empirical data may take a LONG while, let’s hope so.
P.S. since I am fortunate enough to be able to afford to send my children to where I want I can say that any school that feels “unsafe” enough to need this will definitely not be attended by my children.
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Again, I think a proper statistical analysis would show that the deaths caused by rare accidents would in the long run be counterbalanced by the extremely rare situation of lives being saved by a teacher using a gun.
In any case, both scenarios are so rare that it hardly matters.
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We’ll talk again and see how everyone feels after the first “accident”. Hopefully never.
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Playing devils advocate, do you think this would have solved anything at columbine?
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Probably not. Just because you allow teachers to carry guns doesn’t mean there actually will be such a teacher at a school where such an event occurs. Even if there is such a teacher, that teacher would have to be willing to shoot a child dead, and would have to successfully do so.
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A deputy sheriff got into a firefight with them at the scene and failed to stop them, there is your answer.
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Good point. If a deputy sheriff can’t do it, how can a fumbling amateur? Also, it is hard to imagine a teacher shooting a student under any circumstances, just as a doctor shooting a patient in the hospital. Such behavior is normally such a career-ender, I think it would be really hard for a professional to overcome their natural instinct to NOT kill.
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Again, it is ridiculous. As if we need MORE weapons in schools.
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The think is that this is a small school system, 110 students, sounds kind of small to me. I really do not think that this will become a trend that you will see in larger school systems.
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Dude, are things really that scary in Texas? I thought the Commanches were defeated when John Wayne died. I’ve been to some inner citys and rural areas & I always thought the issue was getting guns out of the system, not bringing them in. Are students really that dangerous? If teachers, then why not the rest of us? A couple of innocents might be victims but isn’t the defense of our community and way of life worth it?
I can’t help but see this as another fake issue raised to ‘justify’ the 2nd amendment. I support the 2nd Amendment but frankly these people give me the creeps. They truly believe that “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”
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Being armed is not enough, you have to be willing~without hesitation~to shoot and take a human life. I agree that this is a bad idea; there are too many things that [i]could [/i]go wrong compared to the slim chance an armed teacher could save the day.
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This is the typical gun lobby thing of ……………if everyone has a gun the world will be a safer place.
I feel MUCH better if I (or my children) am protected by well trained and experienced people who know how to use guns and train weekly on how to use them.
It took the teacher years to become a teacher but only a couple of days to be a trained marksman, confrontation solver etc. and be ready to kill another human being if necessary.
Can’t wait to see the teacher with the gun pointed at the head of an armed 14 yr old student and what will make him decide it is the time to fire and watch the pieces of skull and blood fly all over.
If the teacher is going to carry a gun and be expected to use it in a crowded environment, then I would expect them to spend hours at the range every wek as a requirement.
We did not give guns to flight attendants, we put trained undercover people in airplanes
Giving teachers guns is like letting cardiologists read Ct scan, surgeons read their own MRCP’s , GI docs do their own virtual colonoscopies etc. -
Is the gun lobby supporting this?? I mean the downside it HUGE. If a child is accidentally shot or a teachers gun grabbed by a student and used to shoot another the gun lobby is toast if they were behind this.
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I can’t see this catching on nationwide. The liability is too vast.
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is it a good idea? probably not. will there be an accidental shooting, or some other incident where a kid gets a gun away from the teacher, then goes nuclear? almost certainly. when it comes to our children’s safety, emotions always amp up to a fever pitch. throw in a columbine et. al., and you have a certain sect that wants teachers to have guns.
i grew up in a rural state, and recently moved back there, in the northwest. guns were, and are, the norm. hell, we ALL had guns in our trucks we drove to school in the late 70’s. obviously, not anymore.
as far as pulling the trigger, i have only this too add- a few years ago i was working 3 12’s and bored on the four days off i had every week. i took a job as security guard, transporting huge sums of money between banks. we had sidearms and shotguns- and [b][i]one day[/i][/b] of training. one day. and, the statistics told us we had less than 1.8 seconds to make a decision about whether or not to pull the trigger. this in an industry where you are a target, and anybody coming after you is fair game. imagine an untrained teacher in a classroom when the shots ring out. a recipe for disaster. -
eactly~most people hesitate, and when you are faced with someone who, like the shooters at Columbine, have already decided to kill people, that 1.9 second hesitation is going to kill you.
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Anyone who has felt the adrenalin rush while having someone point a gun at you can probably attest that your more likely to freak and shoot yourself in the foot than actually hit the target. There is no rush like it, me and my friends were able to cover a lot of ground in 1.9 seconds.
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If teachers are going to arm themselves, it would be cheaper and smarter to use non-lethal weapons such as mace or stun guns. Such weapons would be more useful in more situations but would involve far fewer lethal accidents.
Not every out-of-control violent child on a rampage requires deadly force to subdue. Nonlethal weapons are the way to go.
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Agreed. But they also should require training in use of those.
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Seems like the other solution besides thoughts and prayers to address school shootings, more guns.
Arm teachers! Of course!Body armor for children is another consideration. 5 y/os in Kevlar vests & helmets.
[link=https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2022/05/watch-texas-attorney-general-suggests-arming-teachers-after-15-shot-and-killed-at-elementary-school/]https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2022/05/watch-texas-attorney-general-suggests-arming-teachers-after-15-shot-and-killed-at-elementary-school/[/link]
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