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Impact of going to an osteopathic residency and AOCR certification for jobs after
Hi all – is there any impact on getting jobs (private practice, or tele radiology for PE) for an osteopathic residency graduate? Or are these jobs fair game and the AOCR certification vs ACR certification does not matter?
Additionally if an osteopathic residency is ACGME certified, can a resident transfer from a DO program to MD? Or if someone starts in a DO program would they essentially be restricted to finishing at the DO program?
I’ve looked for some answers to these questions but it seems they have not been answered for over 10 years for the most recent threads. -
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Hi all – is there any impact on getting jobs (private practice, or tele radiology for PE) for an osteopathic residency graduate? Or are these jobs fair game and the AOCR certification vs ACR certification does not matter?
Additionally if an osteopathic residency is ACGME certified, can a resident transfer from a DO program to MD? Or if someone starts in a DO program would they essentially be restricted to finishing at the DO program?
I’ve looked for some answers to these questions but it seems they have not been answered for over 10 years for the most recent threads.
Aren’t all the remaining DO programs now under the ACGME umbrella?
Many private practices won’t care…No way you’ll get into high end academia with a osteo residency.
Just avoid it if you can. DO programs tend to be subpar most of the time in comparison. Saying that as a DO myself.-
So is ABR certification vs AOBR certification no longer a thing with the new merger? Are all graduates of DO residency programs then given ABR certification?
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D.O. with regular ABR residency is not a big deal.
D.O. with an osteopathic radiology residency may be a bigger deal to some PP groups. If in a competitive geography, I think it may be an uphill battle, to be honest.-
So I am an MD graduate —
What about the case of MD graduate going to osteopathic residency?-
I don’t know. Maybe forget to include the word osteopathic in the name of your residency on your CV and no one notices.
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If you have to do an osteopathic residency at least do fellowship at a large MD University Hospital.
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These days (and probably in the future as well), if you are decent at what you do, then you will find a job. Period.
Those days of finding the ‘perfect match’ are over.
Good enough is just fine now. Good luck!
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10 years ago it would have been a potential issue. Not anymore. These days if you have one eye and a lisp you’ll find a job. LOL
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Can MD students do osteopathic residency? I didnt think that was an option.
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I believe all ‘osteopathic residencies’ were either shut down bc of lack competency, and the ones remaining were absorbed by the ACGME. I don’t think DO residencies exist in a true form now – simply residencies that used to be DO residencies. I may be wrong but pretty sure this is what happened.
Overall wouldn’t sweat it. Unless you want to go be chairman at an ivory tower. And that wouldn’t happen if you were a DO anyways. -
Chair at UPMC is a DO. Don’t really know the rep of their department, though.
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Chair at UPMC is a DO. Don’t really know the rep of their department, though.
Fair enough. Overall, think Rads is pretty DO friendly, as long as it’s a DO with high scores etc…..Think most people realize medical school is a good portion of our foundation, but residency is ultimately where you learn how to be a physician. As generations go on, bias has gone down.
Heck, I interviewed like 10 years ago….but i still remember the program director at a academic center telling me ‘we don’t rank DO’s as residents but will have them as a fellow’ – I had spent 1 month working my butt off there. No big deal. Still did fellowship there – and guess what. They had a DO resident by then. -
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Chair at UPMC is a DO. Don’t really know the rep of their department, though.
Fair enough. Overall, think Rads is pretty DO friendly, as long as it’s a DO with high scores etc…..Think most people realize medical school is a good portion of our foundation, but residency is ultimately where you learn how to be a physician. As generations go on, bias has gone down.
Heck, I interviewed like 10 years ago….but i still remember the program director at a academic center telling me ‘we don’t rank DO’s as residents but will have them as a fellow’ – I had spent 1 month working my butt off there. No big deal. Still did fellowship there – and guess what. They had a DO resident by then.
DOs will have to be content doing FM, IM, peds from now on.
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Chair at UPMC is a DO. Don’t really know the rep of their department, though.
Fair enough. Overall, think Rads is pretty DO friendly, as long as it’s a DO with high scores etc…..Think most people realize medical school is a good portion of our foundation, but residency is ultimately where you learn how to be a physician. As generations go on, bias has gone down.
Heck, I interviewed like 10 years ago….but i still remember the program director at a academic center telling me ‘we don’t rank DO’s as residents but will have them as a fellow’ – I had spent 1 month working my butt off there. No big deal. Still did fellowship there – and guess what. They had a DO resident by then.
DOs will have to be content doing FM, IM, peds from now on.
Sure. Ain’t my problem.
That being said, with USMLE going pass / fail – significant detriment to DO’s and foreign grads, who use high scores to make up for the lack of an american MD degree. However, so many slots to fill across specialties. Think everyone will be ok….probably see less DO ‘s in specialties overall though is my guess – As currently a decent number of even community rads programs would rank a DO with a 250 over a MD with a 210 step score. Once that is equivocal….no bueno for DO’s. -
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Chair at UPMC is a DO. Don’t really know the rep of their department, though.
Fair enough. Overall, think Rads is pretty DO friendly, as long as it’s a DO with high scores etc…..Think most people realize medical school is a good portion of our foundation, but residency is ultimately where you learn how to be a physician. As generations go on, bias has gone down.
Heck, I interviewed like 10 years ago….but i still remember the program director at a academic center telling me ‘we don’t rank DO’s as residents but will have them as a fellow’ – I had spent 1 month working my butt off there. No big deal. Still did fellowship there – and guess what. They had a DO resident by then.
DOs will have to be content doing FM, IM, peds from now on.
Sure. Ain’t my problem.
That being said, with USMLE going pass / fail – significant detriment to DO’s and foreign grads, who use high scores to make up for the lack of an american MD degree. However, so many slots to fill across specialties. Think everyone will be ok….probably see less DO ‘s in specialties overall though is my guess – As currently a decent number of even community rads programs would rank a DO with a 250 over a MD with a 210 step score. Once that is equivocal….no bueno for DO’s.Will DOs be able to parlay lack of representation in the specialties into a big discrimination lawsuit against ACGME?
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