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  • kayla.meyer_144

    Member
    May 1, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Dr J,

    There is a danger in a nanny-government, yes. But we already have something worse with the private insurance industry in that they can make coverage more expensive or just refuse to cover you, or cover you & then deny coverage or “renewal” if you live a dangerous lifestyle. It’s as much as having a “pre-existing condition.” The application is not much different. Do you know of patients who will pay out of pocket to ensure that some results are not part of their file? Why would they do that since there is no nanny-government health care?

    The fact is that I do believe in public health. I think it serves society better than “you’re on your own” experience we have now. A majority of bankruptcies are caused by medical expenses. How many people do you know who have thoroughly read their coverage & fully understand it?

    I listened to Uwe Reinhardt recently discussing costs of health care. Your comment about the “collective good, (borg reference intentional) made me remember a specific point he made. He was discussing the argument between America’s “I can have it now” with Canada’s & Britain’s & Germany’s “scheduled” care. This of course assumes that you have insurance that will actually cover your care in America. His mother in Germany was scheduled for a hospital bed in 2 weeks, he didn’t say why. He volunteered to call to get her in sooner & she lectured him that he was asocial, if she got in sooner some other person would be forced to wait an additional 2 weeks. The question is, is this simply a Borg mentality, end of discussion? There are always compromises for any system chosen, assuming there are choices.

    The discussion of the subjects have been missing for years with examples that are extremes, as you note. Reinhardt finishes by warning all to be cautious of discussions calling these issues “socialism” because these labels won’t solve any problems. He notes that some say Americans don’t want Socialized Medicine but they do want immediate care & feel that society owes them to get them good & quick care. That’s a contradiction.

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    I’m aware of your posting the GPS story. The fact is this can already be done with tom-toms, etc voluntarily installed by the owners. I don’t see it happening. If anything, private companies would be more interested in tracking your comings and goings & whereabouts.

    The irony in your statement is that if you follow that through, then they will never discuss religion and the philosophy associated with it and the specific roles different beliefs played on history (History of the reformation church till present and the Middle Ages to present european/US history are almost inseperable), you are, in fact, ignorant of those things….I would argue, my education was more complete as it did not confine itself to ONLY secular teaching.  The funny thing I find about this line of thinking is that some are seem as scared for their children to be exposed to religious ideas who are atheist as people who are religious are afraid to allow their children to be exposed to ideas contrary to their beliefs.  It is as though, if they hear that some believe in a God etc then their children will be converted. It is not like they will never be exposed to it. 

    The wisdom (although I did not see it at the time) in the way I was taught was that they presented all of it…it was up to the individual to make their own judgement.

    You are concluding something I never said. I have no problems with real comparative religion classes in schools, but let’s not limit the classes to Christianity then, let’s make it more of a Joseph Campbell class & study them all & the ideas behind them all. Your discussion of the Reformation is limited to the Christian European history. Go back further to the origins of the Bible, what stories were chosen to be put in & which out & why, which books were written when & what the politics of the times were, the similarities of the Christ story with pagan mythologies and with Buddahism, Greek/Roman mythology and further back & other countries’ religious beliefs, even Islam. How about comparative interpretations of Judaism with Christian Old Testament? That would be comparative religion worth studying. If my children become Buddhists or Jains or Catholics is fine with me so long as they understand why.