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imho Crazy Bolton is back
McMaster is out
ok–the war drums for Iran will start–spurred on by Israel and Saudi Arabia
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this is the guy who wants to attack North Korea
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so McMaster did not get the extra star–he is resigning
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Wait this was fake news last week. This admin is garbage.
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The war hawks are flocking to the Trump administration.
Bolton in … Pompeo to State …. Tillerson out.
Combine that with Trumps desire to wag the dog and look like a big man….
Id say the over/under on time to a new conflict or escalation of an old conflict is 240 days.
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and all those red states kids will be sent to a war
Bolton is the king of stupid wars–so because Iran has no Nucs and Saudi Arabia/Murdoch/Shelton/Israel now run the WH–Iran will be hit and we will pulled in a war we can’t afford after the GOP have already increased the debt with tax cuts–agents of Russia do this–not AmericansQuote from dergon
The war hawks are flocking to the Trump administration.
Bolton in … Pompeo to State …. Tillerson out.
Combine that with Trumps desire to wag the dog and look like a big man….
Id say the over/under on time to a new conflict or escalation of an old conflict is 240 days.
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This is really bad!
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so was Guccifer a Russian officer
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so Bolton has anger management problems
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Really. Everyone is surprised? What did everyone think would happen? Trump likes military, its got simple solutions not complicated ones & it fits with his preferred stance, the mans man, not losing low energy wimps.
And they have the best parades.
Even if it goes nuclear, we win!
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Iraq ended up as a simple solution ???
and even with nuclear–we all die-
“What’s the point of having nuclear weapons if you can’t use them?” – Donald Trump
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Trump is doing a pretty good job at making liberal heads explode.
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And thats what is really important right?
Making liberal heads explode
Cede world power to Russia
Lie about everything daily and just basically make sheet up
Destroy centuries of free trade policy
Bang every big Boob hooker or porn star you can then pay them to shut up
None of that matters…….. because he is making liberals heads explode
Fng idiot
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And thats what is really important right?
Making liberal heads explode
Cede world power to Russia
Lie about everything daily and just basically make sheet up
Destroy centuries of free trade policy
Bang every big Boob hooker or porn star you can then pay them to shut up
None of that matters…….. because he is making liberals heads explode
Fng idiot
It’s working.
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If you hate everything and everyone and have no life but to watch a reality show
Then yes its working
But the show is old and stale and its about to get canceled
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And thats what is really important right?
Making liberal heads explode
Cede world power to Russia
Lie about everything daily and just basically make sheet up
Destroy centuries of free trade policy
Bang every big Boob hooker or porn star you can then pay them to shut up
None of that matters…….. because he is making liberals heads explode
Fng idiot
It’s working.
LOL! FW
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And thats what is really important right?
Making liberal heads explode
Cede world power to Russia
Lie about everything daily and just basically make sheet up
Destroy centuries of free trade policy
Bang every big Boob hooker or porn star you can then pay them to shut up
None of that matters…….. because he is making liberals heads explode
Fng idiot
It’s working.
LOL! FW
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winkpack proving it all in a single post, amazing
Depressing to see the Troll F@ger is proving the Corker’s statement that it all has nothing to do with intelligence and ideas, only tribalism, trolling and hate.
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who decided to retire this year after periodically sparring with Trump, described Trumps support in stark terms: Its more than strong, its tribal in nature, Corker said.
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A few higher ups have jumped ship now. I was just reading the Truman Carrier Strike group just arrived in the mediterranean sea. Looks like they’re deploying a whole lot of destroyers toward Syria. Supposedly the Truman has 6 destroyers with it.
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A few higher ups have jumped ship now. I was just reading the Truman Carrier Strike group just arrived in the mediterranean sea. Looks like they’re deploying a whole lot of destroyers toward Syria. Supposedly the Truman has 6 destroyers with it.
I of course hope the US does not get involved in any of this. No one knows who uses any of these weapons, for manifold reasons. And it’s pretty obvious at this point, given the state of the world and how many “horrible” dictators there are, Syria is valuable for pretty much only one thing — the land on which a pipeline can get to Turkey. Assad’s got little to nothing to do with it, nor is he anywhere NEAR the danger or evil of the groups opposing him (who John McCain has met with and supported). -
I don’t think the Syria conflict is that basic. Russia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Israel, and the USA are all actors. Not to mention the various groups either that ISIS/ISIL/DAESH and Kurds/YPG/SDF etc….
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None of it was indescriminate. It was targeted.
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None of it was indiscriminate. It was targeted.
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I’ve see. Some thing indicating commercial air craft had been told to avoid Syria and pictures of their airspace which looks empty. Also Al jezeera reported coalition planes. Wondering if some action is imminent. Supposedly Israel struck the other night, maybe just a test run.
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I don’t think the Syria conflict is that basic. Russia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Israel, and the USA are all actors. Not to mention the various groups either that ISIS/ISIL/DAESH and Kurds/YPG/SDF etc….
Most of the world seems to believe Assad’s killed about 2.5% of his own conuntrymen and by indiscriminate bombing (Hospitals, Civilians, Chemical use).
“Most of the world” = what you hear from media with an interest to tell you something and none of it is substantiated. I saw an interview with Theo Padnos that states that it is impossible to know with even the slightest certainty who does what with which resources, from money to guns to autos to bio weapons. If you do your research you’ll find this to be the clear case. And there are obvious reasons why.
What’s more, the odds that a long term leader who is an alawite is doing worse things than modern al qaeda types at the very least bears MAJOR scrutiny to prove. The facts do not support this, at all. Assad is nowhere near as bad a guy as Sadam Hussein, and both literally are forced to make the best of 30 “evil” choices at any given time, from the full belly, safe, protected western mind and media’s point of view. That’s you by the way, if you didn’t realize that, either. -
What you hear from the media? You almost sound Alex Jones-ian. I’m sure the rebels have the sophictication to make children lay still and get their mouths frothing. Or the rebels must be using their air power to bomb cities into unrecognizable rubble.
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Read my post again. Focus on the journalist who was there who I directly cited, Mr. Padnos, and what he stated. Again, read my post again and think longer about your response, since you clearly don’t understand the conclusion.
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Looks like he’s stirring the pot with Iran. So we seen to say Iran is plotting something and send war ships that way. Just so happens within a couple of days oil ships are sabotaged in Arab waters. Not sunk, no fires, just damamged. Blame seems pointed at Iran. Seems like an interesting sequence of events. Now I’m reading about sending 120k troops that way.
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As I said with Attorney General Barr
The Cheney Rumsfeld crew is sneaking their way back in
This entire executive branch power kick is what they lust for
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As I said with Attorney General Barr
The Cheney Rumsfeld crew is sneaking their way back in
This entire executive branch power kick is what they lust for
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Sorry Bolton:
[link=https://thehill.com/policy/defense/443693-coalition-general-no-increased-threat-from-iranian-backed-forces-in-iraq-syria]https://thehill.com/policy/defense/443693-coalition-general-no-increased-threat-from-iranian-backed-forces-in-iraq-syria[/link]
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Did not stop the same crew from lying and starting a war before
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What I find concerning is some actor seems to be creating attacks and pointing blame towards Iran as to move the US towards a war footing. So who sabotaged the boats and attacked the oil infrastructure.
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Probably the same people who had video of the mobile weapons labs
All we need now is a few crazy FOX News guys to start beating the drums
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Depressing to see the Troll F@ger is proving the Corker’s statement that it all has nothing to do with intelligence and ideas, only tribalism, trolling and hate.
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who decided to retire this year after periodically sparring with Trump, described Trumps support in stark terms: Its more than strong, its tribal in nature, Corker said.
People who tell me, who are out on the trail, say, Look, people dont ask about issues anymore. They dont care about issues.
All you do is sit around and quote never trumpers, as if that somehow proves something. Corker is another establishment shill. It’s not new that he is unobjective and doesn’t like the president.
You quote him because you are a tribal follower, not about policies. So he bears witness against you. And himself (establishment). Trump got elected on policy positions. Fact.
Hillary voters were the tribalist, identity politics types.
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Trump is doing a pretty good job at making liberal heads explode.
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Thats not whats important to the hard core trumpers
They are more interested in internet fights and petty arguments
Small life for small people
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Thats not whats important to the hard core trumpers
They are more interested in internet fights and petty arguments
Small life for small people
You mean if a war is necessary to bother liberals so our heads explode, they’d consider war just for the fun of it all.
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Ha ha. Pretty hilarious listening to liberals get all worked up about an imaginary war they are creating in their heads. They have lost it. Embarrassing.
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How have the last two republican wars gone?
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Trump didn’t listen to McMasters and Tillerson. Sure, Bolton is a loon, why do we think Trump would listen to him ?
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because Trump is a loon–bipolar imho
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Trump didn’t listen to McMasters and Tillerson. Sure, Bolton is a loon, why do we think Trump would listen to him ?
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Because his thinking is in line with Trump. Just fuel for the fire. He also doesn’t seem to have any qualifications that make me think he should be in the position. McMaster is a PhD and climbed the ranks of military service.
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What Dan said…
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Bolton-1 mill to Cambridge Analytica
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Because his thinking is in line with Trump. Just fuel for the fire. He also doesn’t seem to have any qualifications that make me think he should be in the position. McMaster is a PhD and climbed the ranks of military service.
Trump listens to Trump. And to Fox. By taking Bolton off Fox his influence is arguably diminished.
Qualification, mhhh.
So he was:
Assistant Secretary for International Organization Affairs for 4 years
Assistant AG at DOJ for 2 years
Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security for 4 years
Ambassador to the UN for 1 year
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Go see, The Death of Stalin. All those people were qualified too in the same way and more.
Such a hawk who personally knows the effect and consequences of war. As long as somebody else goes that is. Like Vietnam & Iraq. Now North Korea. Bolton will do all the bluster required & more for extra credit. So long as he doesnt outshine the prince.
Yeah, qualified should have a minimum requirement of positive ROI.
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Iraq shows he is not qualified
let’s face it folks-the GOP pulled a bait and switch–they back Trump and outsourced to Russia to get the win so that all the bush Hawks can have another day and see their “rapture” as other people’s kids DIEQuote from fw
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Because his thinking is in line with Trump. Just fuel for the fire. He also doesn’t seem to have any qualifications that make me think he should be in the position. McMaster is a PhD and climbed the ranks of military service.
Trump listens to Trump. And to Fox. By taking Bolton off Fox his influence is arguably diminished.
Qualification, mhhh.
So he was:
Assistant Secretary for International Organization Affairs for 4 years
Assistant AG at DOJ for 2 years
Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security for 4 years
Ambassador to the UN for 1 yearYou can disagree with his loony positions, I don’t think you can make a claim that he doesn’t have the qualiications to do the job.
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Liberal arent the only ones whose heads are exploding over a Trump & Bolton.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-second-most-dangerous-american/2018/03/23/90751d80-2ec6-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…053ba58f1e4_story.html[/link]
Because John Bolton is five things President Trump is not intelligent, educated, principled, articulate and experienced and because of Boltons West Wing proximity to a president responsive to the most recent thought he has heard emanating from cable television or an employee, Bolton will soon be the second-most dangerous American. On April 9, he will be the first national security adviser who, upon taking up residence down the hall from the Oval Office, will be suggesting that the United States should seriously consider embarking on war crimes.
The first two charges against the major Nazi war criminals in the 1945-1946 Nuremberg trials concerned waging aggressive war. Emboldened by the success, as he still sees it, of Americas Iraq adventure that began 15 years ago this month, Bolton, for whom a trade war with many friends and foes is insufficiently stimulating, favors real wars against North Korea and Iran. Both have odious regimes, but neither can credibly be said to be threatening an imminent attack against the United States. Nevertheless, Bolton thinks bombing both might make the world safer. What could go wrong?
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principled–Maddow told a story of a woman he harassed calling the woman a lesbian who noted that she was not
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Liberal arent the only ones whose heads are exploding over a Trump & Bolton.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-second-most-dangerous-american/2018/03/23/90751d80-2ec6-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…053ba58f1e4_story.html[/link]
Because John Bolton is five things President Trump is not intelligent, educated, principled, articulate and experienced and because of Boltons West Wing proximity to a president responsive to the most recent thought he has heard emanating from cable television or an employee, Bolton will soon be the second-most dangerous American. On April 9, he will be the first national security adviser who, upon taking up residence down the hall from the Oval Office, will be suggesting that the United States should seriously consider embarking on war crimes.
The first two charges against the major Nazi war criminals in the 1945-1946 Nuremberg trials concerned waging aggressive war. Emboldened by the success, as he still sees it, of Americas Iraq adventure that began 15 years ago this month, Bolton, for whom a trade war with many friends and foes is insufficiently stimulating, favors real wars against North Korea and Iran. Both have odious regimes, but neither can credibly be said to be threatening an imminent attack against the United States. Nevertheless, Bolton thinks bombing both might make the world safer. What could go wrong?
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Liberal arent the only ones whose heads are exploding over a Trump & Bolton.
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-second-most-dangerous-american/2018/03/23/90751d80-2ec6-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html]https://www.washingtonpos…053ba58f1e4_story.html[/link]
Because John Bolton is five things President Trump is not intelligent, educated, principled, articulate and experienced and because of Boltons West Wing proximity to a president responsive to the most recent thought he has heard emanating from cable television or an employee, Bolton will soon be the second-most dangerous American. On April 9, he will be the first national security adviser who, upon taking up residence down the hall from the Oval Office, will be suggesting that the United States should seriously consider embarking on war crimes.
The first two charges against the major Nazi war criminals in the 1945-1946 Nuremberg trials concerned waging aggressive war. Emboldened by the success, as he still sees it, of Americas Iraq adventure that began 15 years ago this month, Bolton, for whom a trade war with many friends and foes is insufficiently stimulating, favors real wars against North Korea and Iran. Both have odious regimes, but neither can credibly be said to be threatening an imminent attack against the United States. Nevertheless, Bolton thinks bombing both might make the world safer. What could go wrong?
Next thing you know Frumious will link a WaPo op-ed by … John Kasich!
We know thinking is hard, but you guys are at an all time low. Be sure to keep reading those dissenting opinions from the likes of Neil Bush, too
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Ha ha. Pretty hilarious listening to liberals get all worked up about an imaginary war they are creating in their heads. They have lost it. Embarrassing.
Another Conservative whose head is exploding over Bolton.
Laugh away as some Conservatives get sanity.
[link=http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-madman-on-the-national-security-council/]http://www.theamericancon…onal-security-council/[/link]
Bolton is indeed no circus act: hes one of the sharpest and most dangerous national security operatives in Washington. To take just one example, last summer, Trump made it known that he was considering pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, a campaign promise he wanted fulfilled but that had been discouraged by his then-secretary of state Rex Tillerson. Sensing an opportunity, Bolton wrote [link=https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/08/iran-nuclear-deal-exit-strategy-john-bolton-memo-trump/]an essay for [i]National Review[/i][/link] explaining in breezy (i.e. Trump-digestible) terms just how to abrogate the agreement. The piece is chockablock with nonsense: at one point it claims sans any evidence that the Obama administration believed the JCPOA was disadvantageous to the United States. It also offers scant evidence to underpin its claim that Iran was in violation of the deal, an assertion thats been repeatedly repudiated by the authorities at the IAEA. But the truth wasnt the point: the piece was meant to water a seed in the presidents mind, to lend expert opinion to Trumps burning preference that the JCPOA be reversed.
That Bolton did this shouldnt surprise anyone because this is how Bolton works: shrewdly and always towards the goal of more war. As Gareth Porter detailed in a [link=http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-a-john-bolton-appointment-is-scarier-than-you-think-mcmaster-trump/]rigorously reported piece for [i]TAC[/i][/link], during his tenure under Bush, Bolton maneuvered behind the scenes to pump up a pretext for conflict between the United States and Iran. Among his methods was to pretend that satellite images of a military base at Parchin demonstrated Iranian nuclear experimentation. That supposed smoking gun is cited to this day by neocons as proof of Irans atomic dreams.
The details never add up because theyre not supposed to. Boltons wheelhouse has never been the tactical nitty-gritty; hes an ideologue whose credo dogmatizes violence against enemies regardless of consequences or cost. On the Iraq war, [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-bolton-no-regrets-about-toppling-saddam/article/2564463]he declared in 2015[/link], I still think the decision to overthrow Saddam was correct. On Libya, in 2011 before the Obama administration launched its calamitous intervention, Bolton recommended that the United States [link=https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-bolton-kill-libyan-dictator-muammar-gaddafi]assassinate Moammar Gaddafi[/link]. On North Korea, he innocently suggested there was a [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-legal-case-for-striking-north-korea-first-1519862374]legal case for a first strike[/link].
There are conditions to Boltons employment. CNN is reporting that Bolton promised Trumpquote[link=https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/976955650667417600]he wouldnt start any wars[/link] if he became national security advisor, and surely thats a promise hell keep. Bolton, after all, has never started (or fought in) a war in his life. What he will do is counsel Trump to take the most belligerent course of action possible in every given situation. Up first will be the Iran deal, which, with Bolton now at NSC and Mike Pompeo at State, seems certain to be the subject of a hardened stance from the White House, which will further isolate America from its allies, as the Europeans, more commercially entangled with Tehran than we are, decline to go along.
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Trump is doing a pretty good job at making liberal heads explode.
And more Conservative heads. Trump supporters form a circular firing squad in the happy hope of shooting some Liberals. Any non-Liberals are just collateral damage.
[link=http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/john-bolton-dog-of-war-trump/]http://www.theamericancon…lton-dog-of-war-trump/[/link]
Like TACs Daniel Larison, [link=http://theweek.com/articles/759501/president-trump-making-warmongering-lunatic-national-security-adviser]Damon Linker says we should all be very, very worried about the John Bolton appointment[/link]. Excerpt:
[blockquote]Having a man who so consistently one might almost say instinctually favors military action serving as the national security adviser to the president would be dangerous in any White House. But in the Trump administration it could be catastrophic.
Trump is utterly ignorant of the world, prone to making impulsive decisions, and tends to defer to the most forceful voice in the room, especially when it conveys information with confident bluster. That would give Bolton enormous power to shape policy which means the power to get the United States to launch big new wars as well as expand the [link=http://theweek.com/articles/754915/lies-tell-ourselves-about-americas-forever-wars]numerous ones were already waging[/link] across wide swaths of the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia.
One of those wars (in Iraq) was launched by another president lacking foreign policy experience who deferred to the hawks in the room (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld), who combined paranoia about threats with absurdly optimistic prognostications about the efficacy of using American bombs to shape the future course of the region. It ended up destabilizing much of the Middle East.
[/blockquote] [link=http://theweek.com/articles/762615/john-bolton-proof-that-trump-abandoned-best-campaign-promise]Jim Antle gets straight to the point:[/link]
[blockquote]Fifteen years after the invasion of Iraq, a Republican president who called the war a big, fat mistake has named one of its leading proponents as his national security adviser.
If one wanted to make the case that U.S. policymakers have learned little from their biggest foreign-policy blunder of the past two decades, John Boltons appointment would be Exhibit A. Bolton, set to take the job in April from current national security adviser H.R. McMaster after Trump tweeted the news on Thursday night, played an important role in shaping prewar intelligence and seems to be itching for a repeat elsewhere.
[/blockquote] Antle is right: the Republican Party establishment has learned nothing from the Iraq disaster. [link=https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/america-takes-the-next-step-toward-tyranny.html]Andrew Sullivan foresees worse to come.[/link] I wish I didnt think he was right about this:
[blockquote]And then last night, we saw McMaster fall on his sword, replaced by John Bolton, an unrepentant architect of the most disastrous war since Vietnam, a fanatical advocate for regime change in Iran, an anti-Muslim extremist, and a believer in the use of military force as if it were a religion. [b]And this, of course, is also part of the second phase for Platos tyrant: war. As his first step, he is always setting some war in motion, so that people will be in need of a leader, Plato explains. In fact, its [i]necessary[/i] for a tyrant always to be stirring up war. [/b]
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This is really bad!
[link=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/america-takes-the-next-step-toward-tyranny.html]Andrew Sullivan[/link]: [b]War is Coming[/b]I worry that the more Trump is opposed and even cornered especially if he loses the House this fall the more dangerous he will become. If Mueller really does have the goods, and if the Democrats storm back into congressional power, then Trump may well lash out to protect himself at all costs. We know he has no concern for the collateral damage his self-advancement has long caused in his private and public life. We know he has contempt for and boundless ignorance of liberal democracy.”
“We know he is capable of anything of immense cruelty and callousness, of petty revenge and reckless rhetoric, of sudden impulses and a quick temper. We also know he is commander-in-chief, who may soon need the greatest distraction of all.
War is coming. And there will be nothing and no one to stop him.
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[link=https://www.axios.com/john-bolton-trump-enforcer-national-security-advisor-f3b5bfa4-8523-4371-ba67-b7799cdc049d.html?source=sidebar]Jonathan Swan[/link]: [b]Bolton plans to dial it back it a bit[/b]
John Bolton knows hes being portrayed as a warmonger as he becomes national security adviser, but hes trying to build internal credibility with a more studied, lower-decibel approach, according to people familiar with his thinking. Boltons forest of op-eds trumpet his hawkish views. But my sources say that at least at the outset, Bolton plans to rein those in aiming to be seen more as an honest broker for the war cabinet, and less as blatant advocate.-
Wouldn’t that imply he has no credible views to offer. On TV he’s a hawk and now wants to be dialed back.
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[link=https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/john-bolton-far-worse-than-you-realize]Josh Marshall[/link]: Looking at the escalating (US-created) crisis with Iran, one thing I realize is that a lot of people do not quite know who John Bolton is. They assume rightly that anyone in the Trump orbit must be either a moral weakling, a crazy person or someone with one foot out the door. All true. But John Bolton is a unique and uniquely dangerous character.
Bolton is a caricature of a militarist and warmonger. He is sometimes classed with the so-called neo-conservatives who played the central role getting the country into the Iraq War. This isnt really correct, either in classification or historical terms. For all their shortcomings many of the leading neoconservative policy hands and intellectuals were big on democracy promotion often in foolish ways, usually only when it was convenient and mainly in Europe. But this is at least part of the worldview.
Bolton doesnt come from that worldview, as limited and as disastrous as it has proven. In really every context he is for hard US dominance, unilateralism and war as the preferred course of action. Again, hes really the caricature of a militarist, the kind of one-dimensional, clownishly hawkish type who gets described in small circulation left-wing magazines but cant possibly exist in real life, only he does exist and his name is John Bolton.-
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Ive been screaming the neocon executive power cheyney Rumsfeld crew for a year now
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J[b]ohn Bolton, Trump’s ‘Bad Cop'[/b]
[link=https://www.axios.com/trump-john-bolton-doctrine-iran-venezuela-war-427ca897-aaa1-4e10-a7c9-2a67c1d20354.html]Jonathan Swan[/link]: Trump has a strongly held theory of Boltons value, according to senior administration officials and advisers to the president, including people who have privately recommended to Trump that he fire Bolton. Seven sources who have discussed Bolton with Trump told me the president says having Bolton on his team improves his bargaining position and gives him a psychological advantage over foes like Iran and North Korea.
Said one source: Trump thinks that Bolton is a key part of his negotiating strategy. He thinks that Boltons bellicosity and eagerness to kill people is a bargaining chip when hes sitting down with foreign leaders. Bolton can be the bad cop and Trump can be the good cop. Trump believes this to his core.
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So why did the Iranians seize a British Oil ship and now claim 17 or so CIA people have been captured? They fund the killing of innocent people; our troops and the constant commitment to destroy Israel. (The government does). Paying them 100″s of Billions of dollars, secretly, in Cash. hasn’t stopped them.
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Did we pay them $$$ or give them their $$$ that was frozen?
The UK is supposed to be sending some Navy assets that direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is already submaries operating over there.
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We better go back to flying in pallets of 500 euro notes to the mullahs. Great policy.
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Did we pay them $$$ or give them their $$$ that was frozen?
The UK is supposed to be sending some Navy assets that direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is already submaries operating over there.
Yes, you better “free up” money for Russia, because everyone knows (read: clown world) that the “Russians” are the real bogeymen.
Even if Mr. Putin truly wanted to destabilize America, whatever that means, the corporate media and left has done way more of that on their own than he could ever dream of. Amazing, and true.-
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Did we pay them $$$ or give them their $$$ that was frozen?
The UK is supposed to be sending some Navy assets that direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is already submaries operating over there.
Yes, you better “free up” money for Russia, because everyone knows (read: clown world) that the “Russians” are the real bogeymen.
Even if Mr. Putin truly wanted to destabilize America, whatever that means, the corporate media and left has done way more of that on their own than he could ever dream of. Amazing, and true.
The Russians just violated south Korean airspace and provoked a confrontation in which south korea fired 300 warning shots at their bomber.
It’s apex level ignorance to keep up with this “even if Putin” or “whatever that means”. It’s cockamamie BS. Best $ he could’ve spent was their disinformation campaign and ongoing efforts to spread disinformation on social media. not to mention the hacking of voting machines, which we still don’t know the extent of in Fla.
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[b]Bolton fired[/b]
[b]I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore….[/b]
[b]….I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.
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Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust
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How is this not the official Trump campaign song? Unless they can’t get rights to play it.-
Fired by twitter.
Bolton’s immediate response (essentially calling Trump a coward and a liar)
“I offered to resign last night and President Trump said “Let’s talk about it tomorrow”
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Interesting
Bolton a tie to the Cheney Rumsfeld hard liners
Wonder how this affects that group
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Interesting
Bolton a tie to the Cheney Rumsfeld hard liners
Wonder how this affects that group
You have Liz Chaney attacking Trump on inviting the Taliban to Camp David near the 9/11 aniversary.
I think this Bolton move cuts out the Neo-cons significantly.
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Im thinking the same
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Spreading chaos throughout the world
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Fired by twitter.
Bolton’s immediate response (essentially calling Trump a coward and a liar)
“I offered to resign last night and President Trump said “Let’s talk about it tomorrow”
He was fired for not being pro-Taliban enough.
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Playbook: Bolton wont go Quietly
It seems unlikely Bolton will go quietly. This is a guy who is a savvy Washington player he texts with many reporters and it seems near-certain he will want to maintain his reputation and tell people some of what he witnessed in the Trump administration. He has already texted multiple reporters, including WaPos Bob Costa, to push his claim that the decision to resign was his own.
Its no secret that Trump and Bolton disagreed on many things; the president said so openly, including today. But from what were hearing, there were two recent points of friction that triggered his exit: Boltons vocal unhappiness over the presidents idea to host the Taliban at Camp David, and a dispute over whether to waive some sanctions on Iran ahead of a possible summit with President Hassan Rouhani. The two men had a heated conversation on the phone after Trumps rally Monday night in North Carolina, and that was it.
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he was supposedly texting to Fox and Friends as they were live talking about this. i’ve not seen the video.
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Trump 2020: Hes too crazy even for Bolton
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So he fires a Neo Con and you guys call Trump crazy, yet he is actually following through on promises of no war.
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One of the worst security advisors ever in history. Good riddance.
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Trump 2020: Hes too crazy even for Bolton
Mindless post (even for a left-winger).
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[h1]Trump Will Try to Block Boltons Book, Calls him a ‘Traitor'[/h1]
President Trump has told his staff that he will look to block the release of John Boltons upcoming book over claims that their discussions were classified, adding that his former national security adviser is a traitor, the [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-wants-to-block-boltons-book-claiming-all-conversations-are-classified/2020/02/21/6a4f4b34-54d1-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.html]Washington Post[/link] reports.Trump has specifically insisted to aides that Boltons book, [i][link=https://amzn.to/2T4op9l]The Room Where It Happened[/link][/i], shouldnt be published before the November election.
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Trump claims that Bolton’s book still contains classified info
Bolton says book already shipped to warehouses and he will proceed with release as scheduled.
“I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasnt driven by reelection calculations.” The House committed “impeachment malpractice” for charging him only with the Ukraine matter, Bolton says. -
Trump will sue to block the release of the book
He claims today that all conversations with him are highly classified
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I hope his book is released and flops. Just get enough copies into reporters hands and let them hand out the juicy tidbits.
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I hope his book is released and flops. Just get enough copies into reporters hands and let them hand out the juicy tidbits.
One thing Trump is great at …. selling books for his ex-associates.
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Interesting. The Trump suit isn’t really over classification. He suing for violation of Bolton’s NDA
From [link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/justice-department-seeks-court-order-to-block-release-of-book-by-former-national-security-adviser-john-bolton/2020/06/16/0160684e-af33-11ea-856d-5054296735e5_story.html][i]The Washington Post[/i][/link]:
But the Trump administration stopped short of seeking a court order against Boltons publisher to stop the distribution of The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir, which is due to go on sale June 23 and has already been shipped across the country.
Instead, the civil suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, accuses Bolton of breach of contract by violating his nondisclosure agreement and asks the court to order him to instruct or request his publisher, insofar as he has the authority to do so, to further delay the release date.
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In addition, the Justice Department asked the court to order Bolton to take any and all available steps to retrieve and dispose of any copies of The Room Where it Happened that may be in the possession of any third party in a manner acceptable to the United States.Finally, it asks the court to follow a step taken in previous cases involving unauthorized disclosures of classified information by former government officials: establishing a trust that would direct any profits from the book to the U.S. Treasury.
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[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/17/trump-official-said-john-boltons-book-contained-no-classified-info-then-trump-loyalists-intervened/]A White House official said John Boltons book contained no classified info.[/link]
And as the Justice Departments own suit admits, there was indeed a point at which the White House official who had worked extensively with Bolton decided that the manuscript of the book was free of classified information. Shortly thereafter, though, she was overruled by officials with closer ties to Trump and, in one case, thanks to an official with a history of politically charged actions benefiting Trump.
The lawsuit states that Ellen Knight, a National Security Council official who has original classification authority over such publications, worked with Bolton for months and finished her work in late April.
[b]On or around April 27, 2020, Ms. Knight had completed her review and was of the judgment that the manuscript draft did not contain classified information, the lawsuit states.[/b]
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Trump has offered somewhat similar comments when it comes to Boltons book. At one point, he told national TV anchors in an off-the-record meeting, Were going to try and block the publication of the book. After I leave office, he can do this. But not in the White House, according to notes from the meeting.That quote suggests that the goal wasnt about protecting classified information, but about protecting Trump. And the machinations described in the Trump Justice Departments own lawsuit dont exactly diminish that possibility.
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Book officially leaked
NYT and WaPo releasing passages
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Book officially leaked
NYT and WaPo releasing passages
Shocking!
And thus we shall see the MSM go apoplectic again with orgasmic joy of every passage that may hint that Trump is a “bad man.”
Just as an fyi though, it’s common for former officials to write books about their Presidents. [link=https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-critics-20141008-story.html]https://www.latimes.com/n…cs-20141008-story.html[/link]
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NYT and WaPo releasing passages
Just a matter of time for its “leak.”
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and on queue Trump is saying Bolton is lying, and that the information is classified. At which point the world wonders how can something be classified if it’s not the truth.
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and on queue Trump is saying Bolton is lying, and that the information is classified. At which point the world wonders how can something be classified if it’s not the truth.
[link=https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/1273392725937790979]Susan Hennessey[/link]: One interesting wrinkle for the government is that in order to claim elements of Boltons book are classified, the government must admit the information in question is true. Theres no such thing as a classified lie.
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DOJ revealed in a filing this morning that Michael Ellis, the Nunes staffer who ended up at the WH for Trumps NSC and was the one who reopened the classification review of Boltons book, was not trained in classification process and only finished his training after reviewing Boltons book.
This admission makes the case look like a pretty straightforward prior restraint case since it makes reopening the classification review of the book more politicized.
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[link=https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/john-bolton-donald-trump-ukraine-impeachment-china/]https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/john-bolton-donald-trump-ukraine-impeachment-china/[/link]
[i]Mother Jones[/i] with the best Bolton headline —
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[link=https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GvO7vDn-whr4Os7KZAOxiW4GW1gckjUb/view]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GvO7vDn-whr4Os7KZAOxiW4GW1gckjUb/view[/link]
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[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/house/503784-schiff-says-committee-chairs-pelosi-discussing-potential-bolton-testimony]Schiff says committee chairs, Pelosi discussing potential Bolton testimony[/link] The Hill
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[link=https://twitter.com/NormEisen]Norm Eisen[/link] (Fmr. Impeachment Special Counsel, US Amb. & Obama WH Ethics Czar)
“I just finished the Bolton book. Shocking regarding Trump& Bolton. The book contains information that is, was, or should be classified. The place to share this information was in impeachment, not in a book. It may well be evidence in 2 prosecutions: Trumps & Boltons.”
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“As a WH lawyer I worked on EO 13526 restructuring the classification system. I have held TS/SCI clearance. I cant believe Im saying this, but I get why NSC was upset that a staffer initially cleared the book. It will be tough to win a conviction, but Bolton is exposed.”
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Trump calls for Bolton to be jailed.
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[link=https://twitter.com/ezraklein]Ezra Klein[/link]
[b]The real villain in John Bolton’s book is John Bolton[/b]“Had Trump taken Boltons advice more often, then, the US would be engaged in multiple conflicts across the globe.” The irony of Bolton’s book is that it is damning to Trump in all ways but one: his decision to ignore and sideline John Bolton
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I think Bolton is trying to use some political judo psy-ops against Trump supporters today.
He’s on TV saying that if Trump gets a second term there’s a good chance he will be convinced to appoint a liberal to the Supreme Court
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[link=https://twitter.com/ezraklein]Ezra Klein[/link]
[b]The real villain in John Bolton’s book is John Bolton[/b]“Had Trump taken Boltons advice more often, then, the US would be engaged in multiple conflicts across the globe.” The irony of Bolton’s book is that it is damning to Trump in all ways but one: his decision to ignore and sideline John Bolton
I don’t agree with Ezra Klein very often but he is right about this. Bolton is an extreme war hawk and we would have had at least 1 new “hot” war with either Iran or North Korea (heck, maybe both) if he got his way. Say what you want about Trump, but he got that one right and Bolton has sour grapes. What would people say about us if we fired them and made fun of them? Probably not anything good.
Former advisors have been writing books bad-mouthing their Presidents for a long time. Panetta had one about Obama being weak in regard to foreign policy, Iraq/afghanistan, etc. The difference now is the thirst by the media for all things “trump bad.” Trump does a lot of bad things but if the media wants to know why people still support him, it’s because they’ve got full on “boy cries wolf” mode and made WAY too many journalistic mistakes over the past 3 years. -
DOJ opens criminal probe into Boltons book and classified info
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Justice Dept targets Bolton by opening an investigation accusing Bolton of exposing classified information. This is after his book was reviewed for just that and after a judge threw out the complaint about Bolton doing just that.
It could not stop the publication so Bolton will be punished for publishing embarrassing information.
Justice Dept, Trump’s private legal firm that taxpayers foot the bill for Justice attacking Trump critics.
After a judge rejected the departments allegations that Mr. Bolton moved forward with publication without final notice that a review to scrub out classified information was complete, the director of national intelligence referred the matter last month to the Justice Department, two of the people said. John Demers, the head of the departments national security division, then opened the criminal investigation.
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[b][link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/white-house-intervened-to-halt-release-of-bolton-book-with-flawed-classification-review-official-says/2020/09/23/d9af262e-fd9c-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html]White House intervened to halt release of Bolton book with flawed classification review, federal official says[/link][/b]
Kenneth L. Wainstein, a lawyer for the official who conducted the clearance review, Ellen Knight, wrote that she came forward to warn against the politicization of government proceedings. He said that soon after requesting a copy of the manuscript on Jan. 6, for example, Trump appointees halted a response to a request by Bolton to prioritize approval of a chapter about President Trumps interactions with Ukraine so that it could be public during the Senate impeachment trial.
The Trump administration unsuccessfully sued in June to block the release of Boltons White House memoir, The Room Where It Happened, after a review completed by Knight concluded in April it no longer contained classified information. At that point, however, an untrained Trump appointee undertook a new review and wrongly challenged hundreds of passages leading to the government litigation, Knight asserted.
Objecting that a designedly apolitical process had been commandeered by political appointees for a seemingly political purpose, Knight said several government attorneys agreed in a later debriefing when she speculated that the reason the Justice Department was suing Bolton was because the most powerful man in the world said that it needed to happen, Wainstein wrote.
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[link=https://www.salon.com/2019/09/11/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-claims-that-john-bolton-is-a-man-of-the-left-and-a-progressive/]https://www.salon.com/2019/09/11/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-claims-that-john-bolton-is-a-man-of-the-left-and-a-progressive/[/link]
Tucker Carlson: John Bolton fired because he was “fundamentally a man of the left” and a “progressive.”
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Ah, the honesty of Tucker Carlson and Faux News in reporting. Nothing is beneath obvious stupidity and lying.
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[link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F08%2F10%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Firanian-john-bolton-assassination-charges.html%3Fsmid%3Dnytcore-ios-share]Justice Dept. Charges Iranian in Plot to Kill John Bolton[/link]
The Justice Department charged a member of Irans Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on Wednesday with plotting to assassinate John R. Bolton, who served as national security adviser to President Donald J. Trump.
Officials with the departments national security division said the planned murder of Mr. Bolton was likely in retaliation for the U.S. militarys [link=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F01%2F02%2Fworld%2Fmiddleeast%2Fqassem-soleimani-iraq-iran-attack.html]killing in January 2020[/link] of Qassim Suleimani, a top commander of the Revolutionary Guard, a branch of Irans military that is a power base for the countrys ruling military and political elites.
The man named in the criminal complaint unsealed in federal court in Washington, Shahram Poursafi, 45, is not in custody and remains abroad, department officials said. If captured and convicted, he would face up to 10 years in prison for using interstate commerce facilities in the plot and another 15 years for attempting to provide material support for a transnational murder plot.
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[link=https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1599879103393341440]https://twitter.com/AmbJo…us/1599879103393341440[/link]
John Bolton threatens to jump into the 2024 Presidential race is other GOP candidates won’t be more aggressive in the defense of the constitution and their rebukes of Trump
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LOL. He’ll get a percentage of whatever percentage Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley gets.
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