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I know you are troll, but I will bite. I do not believe the replacement of DR with AI is imminent, but I do believe it happens in my lifetime. The first step to that is integrated AI in daily practice. While they do exist, most would say they are pretty useless. They are also all single task type for tools and nowhere close to something that can interpret a CT scan for example. I do believe these improve due to the arc of technology, but I believe most mid-career Rads are going to be fine and finish up a good career in Radiology. However, for those in training now, the future is much more cloudy. As for med students, well, they don’t seem worried as Radiology has been one of the most popular and competitive fields over the last 5 years.
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Actually we have more important issues to discuss
Transgender youth in youth sports
Organ desecration of minors
Prejudice against Asians
And of course what is a woman
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The biggest news is probably MBS and Putin and OPEC + countries cutting oil production today by 1 million barrels a day. This will affect more radiologists in the next 6 months and economy than anything. MBS and Putin will do ANYTHING to get the degenerate orange messiah reelected in US.
This means inflation stays up, interest rates stay up and stocks get battered.
AI won’t affect us for the so many years.
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AI is already affecting us. There are AI modules that have already increased Rad productivity and improved image quality as well as work flow. The affects of AI are POSITIVE for us and will likely continue to be so. 70% of rads get sued at least once in their career. If AI can reduce that by even half, it will be tremendous for us and patient care. The question is how much will AI improve our workflow and how many Rads will be needed in the future.
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The biggest news is probably MBS and Putin and OPEC + countries cutting oil production today by 1 million barrels a day. This will affect more radiologists in the next 6 months and economy than anything. MBS and Putin will do ANYTHING to get the degenerate orange messiah reelected in US.
This means inflation stays up, interest rates stay up and stocks get battered.
AI won’t affect us for the so many years.
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Medicare was also great for the first generation of physicians that started accepting it.
AI will be great for current mid-career Rads but younger Rad careers are at risk and younger Rads / trainees may want to diversify income streams.-
The biggest news is probably MBS and Putin and OPEC + countries cutting oil production today by 1 million barrels a day. This will affect more radiologists in the next 6 months and economy than anything. MBS and Putin will do ANYTHING to get the degenerate orange messiah reelected in US.
This means inflation stays up, interest rates stay up and stocks get battered.
Meh. I figure thats news but not huge news.
The Saudis wont let it get out of hand. Theyre just trying to get out in front of a recession/ slow down and trying to keep revenue .
Last thing they want is to encourage US shale to get back I. The game big time.
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Medicare was also great for the first generation of physicians that started accepting it.AI will be great for current mid-career Rads but younger Rad careers are at risk and younger Rads / trainees may want to diversify income streams.
Here’s a smart man. And notice, all of the above are marketing (CMS is a ponzi and plays into people’s lack of wanting to take care of themselves, while AI is a religion for the progressives who progress towards more degeneracy, in reality).-
Well there is always medical malpractice if I lose my job. I can be an expert witness specializing on those clinicians who think they can read their own images and miss findings. Should make good money.Heck, maybe I will go to law school and do malpractice. [:)][:)]
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Yeah someone has already pointed out they have discovered who he is. Guessing if he knows a rad in this dudes program, he could easily point out his next surgical misadventure.
Left knee arthoplasty demonstrates suboptimal alignment, likely iatrogenic. Or left hip arthroplasty with new acetabular fracture which was caused by surgery and not present before elective hip replacement.
With this guys attitude someone is gonna fry him 100%.
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“As an AI language model, I cannot take over any profession or occupation, including radiology. While AI has made significant advancements in medical imaging and diagnosis, it is important to note that the role of radiologists extends beyond just interpreting images. Radiologists also consult with other medical professionals, manage patient care, and make treatment recommendations based on imaging findings. Additionally, AI can assist radiologists in their work but cannot replace their expertise and experience. Therefore, radiologists will continue to play a critical role in healthcare, even as AI continues to evolve and transform the field.”
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To answer OPs question: no I am not melting down, I dont know any rad who is or is even remotely worried about AI. I know many clinicians in fact most that I work with that read not only the impression but comb through findings sections of reports, and inform me of typos (which is dumb and annoying, but at least shows how much weight our words carry).
You, OP, are an idiot
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Another thread about AI.
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[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So&ab_channel=Movieclips]https://www.youtube.com/w…;ab_channel=Movieclips[/link]
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Why won’t AI ever completely replace us? Because trial lawyer scum wouldn’t have anybody to sue if it did.
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To me its not so much about liability, there will always be a physicians name to sue. Ultimately we provide a service to other clinicians. If AI can accurately create reports 99% of the time, it could make rads substantially faster and thus basically allow 1 radiologist to read some 500 rvus per shift.
Or, a PA/NP signs it and they bear the “liability” in addition to the ER doc/PCP taking care of the patient.
Or just AI reports that go straight to provider and its the provider on the line for all of the “findings” reported by AI, and its up to the provider to determine the importance of those findings. Thus, they are the liable party (er/pcp).
Ultimately its not a question of liability but of technology. I dont agree that its inevitable that AI will be able to create highly accurate reports. It’s like self driving, that last 2-3% of situations that are needed to create a highly reliable product are 10^6 more difficult than the first 97%. Self driving went leaps and bounds at first but for the past 5 years have gotten no where. Entirely possible AI image interpretation will be similar -
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To me its not so much about liability, there will always be a physicians name to sue.
Not really. While someone might take the risk, it’ll create a new market where competence means nothing, just credentialing … oh wait, we already have diversity and inclusion policies. Forget it … lol -
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It’s like self driving, that last 2-3% of situations that are needed to create a highly reliable product are 10^6 more difficult than the first 97%. Self driving went leaps and bounds at first but for the past 5 years have gotten no where. Entirely possible AI image interpretation will be similar
I have made the comparison to self-driving here too.
And I figure the complexity of AI generated radiology reports that are so accurate that they can reliably be acted upon without any human intervention is about an order of magnitude more complex than self-driving cars.
So wake me up when we have wide scale adoption of driverless vehicles and we’re getting within a decade or so maybe for radiology -
The fact that the original poster is so pathologically anti RADS speaks volumes about her, not much about us
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Yuuuup. Imagine telling the physicians currently in the most demand in the whole medical system that they are useless. LOL
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I wish AI would hurry the hell up! That way I can shamelessly do something else.
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The fact that the original poster is so pathologically anti RADS speaks volumes about her, not much about us
Its obvious she wishes she went into radiology.
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Honestly kind of sad that she feels the need to come here and be inflammatory. Probably a very low performing resident at a low tier residency, getting her ass kicked doing scut and getting no OR time.
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Actually I never think about AI, ever, I am so busy. There is so much variation in radiology between normal and abnormal. Not sure if the “Ai” will ever be full go in the next 50 years. Literally I don’t even care about it now. Nor would care if I were a resident in radiology.
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By the time that happens, you’ll be begging AI to ‘retire’ you.
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Yep, Ive melted down like the wicked witch of the East. Over it. > 10 yrs ago I expressed similar frustrations, quite indicative of where I trained, not the filed.
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Ignoring the troll and responding to some of you others, the technology to replace 90% of DR already exists. The barriers are not technological.
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Can I just out this troll yet……you guys stopped me last time.
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Can I just out this troll yet……you guys stopped me last time.
Before you do, and I’m not saying you should, please tell us how you figured it out? I’d almost argue that if the person is that sloppy, you should, but I don’t like the idea of doxxing in general so …
OP, you’re in trouble LOL -
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Can I just out this troll yet……you guys stopped me last time.
Before you do, and I’m not saying you should, please tell us how you figured it out? I’d almost argue that if the person is that sloppy, you should, but I don’t like the idea of doxxing in general so …
OP, you’re in trouble LOL
I also don’t like the idea of doxxing…..but in this case it’s pretty easy to do, i’ll just leave it at that. I’d prefer our mods just ban the troll…but if they continue, my patience will probably run out. -
AI will never replace us.
Scrambled the segment numbers, LIRADs, and sizes to prove my point below:
History: Evaluate for recurrence/new lesions. Increase AFP.
For example: read a complex MRI liver mass with Segment 8, 2.0 cm LR-5 and adjacent 1.0 cm LR 4. Segment 6 and 7 LR 3 and LR 4. 5-10 DWI + observations, read as LR 3. Had TACE on 1 and percutaneous ablation on the other, LR nonviable and equivocal.
Now I need to compare with the one done last year. Keep in mind, the prior was performed in an outside institution without subtraction images and no TACE yet. Segments are mislabeled. Takes some mental gymnastics to figure what is going on.
Can AI put put everything together and figure this monstrosity out for tumor board next week??? Can AI compare with the priors ???
Doubtful.
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Well explained !!
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If it couldn’t figure it out, it will make up someone erroneous that sounds really convincing to the surgeon and oncologist
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If it couldn’t figure it out, it will make up someone erroneous that sounds really convincing to the surgeon and oncologist
Yes, and remember, you got “care”. Nobody promised anything about reality or quality! Haha
We have doctors on this board that think a man calling himself a woman is not mental illness. Anything is possible in this current debased generation, the problem is that the possibilities are delusion and greater illness, not good or beneficial hopes and dreams. -
The other thing that never gets discussed about high level AI is the advanced hardware/chips that will be needed, the energy utilized, the inevitable computer or system ‘crashes’ that will occur, the noise involved, and the cost of implementation.
Other than those (mainly physical) hurdles, it sounds cool.
I’m sure we will slowly implement this technology, but I just don’t see how this will be anything but a HUGE boon to those current and recently trained radiologists who are just swimming in exams now.
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works great!
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What percentage of AM posts are now generated by AI chat bots? I’m feeling it’s a pretty high number of late.
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63%
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50.9999999999999%
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I think you all are a little paranoid. Pretty sure the only fake accounts are the ones trying to sell counterfeit money on here
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Waitoh crap. That money I bought was counterfeit. No way, it looks real.
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Hope my local bodega aint connected. I use AM like an ATM, lol.
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Did this turd get dox’d yet? Lemme know what program or hospital, lemme guess, somewhere in the NE
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Who knows what she really is. Could be an ortho resident like she says, or some pissed off administrator, tech, patient, whatever.
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AI is real but how long do we have is the real question. It could be decades or never does it fully replace a human Radiologist. Who knows.
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lemme guess, somewhere in the NE
heh heh why do you say Northeast?
I’m guessing the OP is an unhappy male orthopod who wishes he went into radiology.
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Most orthos wouldn’t bother with this board (or are too dumb or busy) to find it.
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OP, during one of his 28 hr shifts found auntminnie after seeing a radiology resident leaving the hospital at 5 pm, while sitting in the Doctors lounge eating a provided ham and cheese sandwich, knowing it was not good for his hypertension.
Once he found auntminnie, he let loose.
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OP, during one of his 28 hr shifts found auntminnie after seeing a radiology resident leaving the hospital at 5 pm, while sitting in the Doctors lounge eating a provided ham and cheese sandwich, knowing it was not good for his hypertension.
Once he found auntminnie, he let loose.
I’m busting up, egggggggggzactly … hahahaa, yuuuup -
Remember LemonFuzz, or whatever his handle is, don’t hate the playa
HATE the GAME, son -
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Remember LemonFuzz, or whatever his handle is, don’t hate the playa
HATE the GAME, son
Lol i’ll hate the game all the way to the bank….while walking out the door at 5pm.
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Can I just out this troll yet……you guys stopped me last time.
Before you do, and I’m not saying you should, please tell us how you figured it out? I’d almost argue that if the person is that sloppy, you should, but I don’t like the idea of doxxing in general so …
OP, you’re in trouble LOL
Sure, go ahead. It’s not like he/she deserves any slack.
Might also dissuade others from similar antics.
BTW – the mods on this board seem to come by once a month or so. There are benefits to light moderation, and drawbacks. -
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Can I just out this troll yet……you guys stopped me last time.
Before you do, and I’m not saying you should, please tell us how you figured it out? I’d almost argue that if the person is that sloppy, you should, but I don’t like the idea of doxxing in general so …
OP, you’re in trouble LOL
Sure, go ahead. It’s not like he/she deserves any slack.
Might also dissuade others from similar antics.
BTW – the mods on this board seem to come by once a month or so. There are benefits to light moderation, and drawbacks.Pretty easy to figure out who anybody is these days with a cursory knowledge of how this stuff works, even if they are using a VPN service or whatever.
Obviously, if it’s some high end cia/mossad etc government agency or what we used to call a ‘hacker’. I assure you, this individual is not that. -
Looks like our friend ate their words…..
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Ignoring the troll and responding to some of you others, the technology to replace 90% of DR already exists. The barriers are not technological.
Please tell me more, Mr. Wonka
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Welcome back to rads!
choose clinicians while
Get some rest! Or learn to spell.
How long is your shift today? Are you in the doctors lounge, having a salt-laden snack?
