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  • Working for Geisinger

    Posted by abdallahhelaleg_161 on August 21, 2018 at 7:00 pm

    Anybody know anything about working for Geisinger in central PA?

    Unknown Member replied 3 years ago 21 Members · 43 Replies
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  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    August 21, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    My friend’s dad is a PhD there.  It’s in the middle of nowhere and not much to do in the area (they live in Danville).  So if you’re young and single it probably isn’t ideal for that aspect of life.

    • abdallahhelaleg_161

      Member
      August 21, 2018 at 7:50 pm

      Quote from ztune

      My friend’s dad is a PhD there.  It’s in the middle of nowhere and not much to do in the area (they live in Danville).  So if you’re young and single it probably isn’t ideal for that aspect of life.

       
      I’ve heard that before.  A lot of their hospitals are in pretty rural locations with much less to offer than Danville.  I prefer a larger city, so it probably won’t work out for me.
       
      On another note, I’ve heard their starting salaries are pretty high and their benefits are good.  Salaries are mid $400,000’s and above.  But, I’ve also heard their organization is full of politics and if you can’t fulfill their productivity requirement, you’re gone.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        August 21, 2018 at 8:46 pm

        Why would u go to middle of nowhere to make 400k?

        • abdallahhelaleg_161

          Member
          August 21, 2018 at 8:59 pm

          Quote from doc holiday

          Why would u go to middle of nowhere to make 400k?

           
          I agree.  It is in the middle of nowhere.  Some of those towns in PA are pretty dumpy.  I just thought it might be less of a hassle working as an employee for a large healthcare organization.  From what I am hearing, that’s not the case.  You give up quite a bit of autonomy as an employee.  I’ve heard they can be very strict too.  It’s their way or no way.

          • Unknown Member

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            August 21, 2018 at 9:02 pm

            400s is correct for a radiologist there. 

            • al.georgiev_193

              Member
              August 22, 2018 at 3:22 am

              Living in the boonies AND having an overlord breathing down your neck? Sounds like a winning combo Dont be suckered in by the higher starting salaries of being an academic/corporate employee- you can make way more than that as a partner in a private practice in a medium or large sized city

              • ranweiss

                Member
                August 22, 2018 at 5:03 am

                Boonies, overlord, high work load? Dude. Why?
                 
                Bite the bullet at slightly lower pay for a year or two in a reasonable mid sized city PP group and make more than that onwards. TBH even employed gigs in the nicer suburbs here in chicago pay around that much with like 12 weeks off and no crazy overlord.

                • Count Contrastula

                  Member
                  August 22, 2018 at 6:20 am

                  For that pay they expect you to live at the hospital as well. Employer contribution to retirement is 20k and you have to be there three years to keep any of it. Every workstation has a camera and microphone built into the monitors where they can watch and listen to you.

                  • abdallahhelaleg_161

                    Member
                    August 22, 2018 at 6:38 am

                    Quote from Cabinfever

                    For that pay they expect you to live at the hospital as well. Employer contribution to retirement is 20k and you have to be there three years to keep any of it. Every workstation has a camera and microphone built into the monitors where they can watch and listen to you.

                     
                    Yes, I’ve heard their daytime shifts are 9 hours, but a lot of the rads work another 5 or 6 hours after that.  About the retirement, $20,000 isn’t bad, but I heard they have a lot of turnover, so rads don’t make it to 3 years.  The workstation with a camera and microphone is just ridiculous.  It sounds like they do not trust their employees and have to spy on them.

                    • ranweiss

                      Member
                      August 22, 2018 at 7:26 am

                      Camera and microphone at the workstation? wtf? 
                       
                      When I heard about all the rad partners monitors having a ‘ticker’ that measures your productivity live vs other employees I was shocked. I can’t imagine anyone that isn’t strictly geographically limited to that area would take this job.

                    • abdallahhelaleg_161

                      Member
                      August 22, 2018 at 5:40 pm

                      Quote from rads312

                      Camera and microphone at the workstation? wtf? 

                      When I heard about all the rad partners monitors having a ‘ticker’ that measures your productivity live vs other employees I was shocked. I can’t imagine anyone that isn’t strictly geographically limited to that area would take this job.

                      I’ve heard of some groups using some sort of software that counts your daily RVU live, but to display one’s productivity vs other employees is just ridiculous.  All this does is create unnecessary animosity and bitterness between all the rads.  Not to mention all the dumping and punting of work on to other people just for the sake of getting RVUs on the easier cases.  For example, the fluoro, the biopsies, and even the non-RVU valued work like talking to referring docs get passed around.  One time, I had a biopsy that one of the rads refused to do and I referred it to the rad who originally recommended it.  This rad in turn passed it on to another rad, who in turn passed it on to yet another rad, and finally, it came full circle right back to me!  I learned that some people just have a knack for getting out of work.

                  • Unknown Member

                    Deleted User
                    August 22, 2018 at 6:33 pm

                    Quote from Cabinfever

                     Every workstation has a camera and microphone built into the monitors where they can watch and listen to you.

                     
                    Unless the radiologist gave permission, that is illegal under federal wiretapping laws (audio portion of your statement).

                    • abdallahhelaleg_161

                      Member
                      August 22, 2018 at 6:50 pm

                      Quote from ztune

                      Quote from Cabinfever

                      Every workstation has a camera and microphone built into the monitors where they can watch and listen to you.

                      Unless the radiologist gave permission, that is illegal under federal wiretapping laws (audio portion of your statement).

                      This is true.

                    • Count Contrastula

                      Member
                      August 23, 2018 at 4:50 am

                      Im sure somewhere in that contract you sign you give up that right.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      August 23, 2018 at 5:14 am

                      Even during the boom times when the radiologist shortage was at its worst if you asked a radiologist in San Francisco or NYC about it they would answer “what shortage?”

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      August 23, 2018 at 3:30 pm

                      Thats right dergon. And what gets me most is that the bad jobs still fill in these metros regardless of how good the market is. Regardless of the turnover, churn and burn, bad rep etc. Guess there is always a supply of people who desperately want to live in these places and take a hit financially and professionally,

                    • ranweiss

                      Member
                      August 24, 2018 at 7:31 am

                      Quote from Drrad123

                      Thats right dergon. And what gets me most is that the bad jobs still fill in these metros regardless of how good the market is. Regardless of the turnover, churn and burn, bad rep etc. Guess there is always a supply of people who desperately want to live in these places and take a hit financially and professionally,

                       
                      I’m a resident at a private practice staffed hospital in a ‘top 5’ city ( not NYC , sf, LA ) . For many, many years, they were able to EASILY fill positions for a 10-ish + year partner ship track, compensation less than half of partners ( starting people in the LOW 2’s), and a absolutely crazy workload, plus expectations to teach residents, give lecture, and work evenings very often. 
                       
                      Partners cleaned up house for a long time. In the last 3 years, have been running super lean bc they couldn’t recruit. Were forced to increase pay by about 25%. That’s still not a lot – but they were able to recruit two young, highly qualified rad fellows who had strict geographic restrictions. As long as people want to live in ‘the big city’ and are willing to sacrifice income for that, these practices aren’t going to change much.

                    • henriqueabreu

                      Member
                      August 24, 2018 at 8:48 am

                      ^^to be fair, if it’s academics (which it sounds like based on having to teach residents) or hybrid with academic bend, people will be willing to accept lower compensation.  Esp, if there is prestige associated with a name brand institution and located in a major metro.   So the above isn’t that surprising.  But yes, everyone is going to have to up their game when the job market favors the applicant.

                    • emily.perry_477

                      Member
                      August 24, 2018 at 11:28 am

                      Quote from rads312

                      I’m a resident at a private practice staffed hospital in a ‘top 5’ city ( not NYC , sf, LA ) . For many, many years, they were able to EASILY fill positions for a 10-ish + year partner ship track, compensation less than half of partners ( starting people in the LOW 2’s), and a absolutely crazy workload, plus expectations to teach residents, give lecture, and work evenings very often. 

                      Partners cleaned up house for a long time. In the last 3 years, have been running super lean bc they couldn’t recruit. Were forced to increase pay by about 25%. That’s still not a lot – but they were able to recruit two young, highly qualified rad fellows who had strict geographic restrictions. As long as people want to live in ‘the big city’ and are willing to sacrifice income for that, these practices aren’t going to change much.

                       
                      That is very true.  There are always people who want to be in big city at all cost at anytime.  Chicago is a great place and I do not mind be there full time too.  As of last Christmas, a multiple year long open invitation from an old friend to be division chair of a Chicago program still stood.  Just not the right time.  Someday, a 9-4 work day with one to two hour lunch, no evening or weekend call, with a few weeks of vacation for a fraction of my current income will sound awesome.  Someday.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 24, 2018 at 3:38 pm

                      Interviewed for residency on a Friday many years ago. Had a Monday interview elsewhere so asked what was going on in town. Friday night high school football was as good as it got. 

                    • afazio.uk_887

                      Member
                      August 24, 2018 at 4:13 pm

                      Yes, people want to live in these cities for a reason.  With high taxes and low salaries, doctors are pretty much solidly middle class in these places.  Nothing wrong with that, but there is a significant trade-off for sure.   What I don’t get is why rads often take less pay to even live in dumpy cities like Houston also. 

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      August 24, 2018 at 4:25 pm

                      I love how easy it is to dump on any particular location.

                      The job sounds pernicious. But central PA is beautiful. The highlands particularly. Great hunting, hiking, lots of very productive trout streams. Nice Appalachian mountain lakes, laurel lined streams, a nice stone cottage over the valley for weekend decompression…

                      Id double check those job details though.

                    • tdetlie_105

                      Member
                      August 24, 2018 at 9:14 pm

                      Quote from yesterdaysnews

                      Yes, people want to live in these cities for a reason.  With high taxes and low salaries, doctors are pretty much solidly middle class in these places.  Nothing wrong with that, but there is a significant trade-off for sure.   What I don’t get is why rads often take less pay to even live in dumpy cities like Houston also. 

                       
                      I get your point but the median household incomes for even the most expensive cities is still well short of an average rad’s salary
                       
                      Also I think a chunk of these rads/docs have a high earning spouse (in fields like finance, law) that make more by being in these expensive cities 
                       

                    • ranweiss

                      Member
                      August 25, 2018 at 6:21 pm

                      Absolutely. 
                      If I stayed in Chicago, I would probably take a pay cut of about 100k to start and 150k -200k as partner.
                       
                      That being said, If I took one of the more ‘rural’ but very well paying midwest jobs in ohio, michigan, wisconsin, my spouse would basically be making at most 70k. In a large city she has an opportunity to get much closer to 300k with a large firm. Even with the loss in income and disparity in costs of living, the difference isn’t enough to truly justify moving to BUFU.

                    • Count Contrastula

                      Member
                      August 26, 2018 at 8:18 am

                      SP333 its true sorry to say.

                    • Count Contrastula

                      Member
                      August 26, 2018 at 8:20 am

                      And if you co ER it with tape or something you get an email telling you to uncover it.

                    • henriqueabreu

                      Member
                      August 26, 2018 at 8:24 am

                      Not unheard of. People on here have talked about a PP in Long Island that tracks all your (non-radiology related) internet usage and keystrokes at your workstation. Makes you wonder what their penalty is for checking email more than twice per workday.

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      August 26, 2018 at 1:10 pm

                      Seriously? I would keep a notepad document open and type obscenities between every case, all day long.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      August 26, 2018 at 2:07 pm

                      If someone was tracking my keystrokes, they would wonder out loud how is it that I finish watching two or three episodes of The Wire in an eight hour work day.

                    • tselvidas_246

                      Member
                      August 26, 2018 at 7:09 pm

                      Not that much difference between  3k and 4k after taxes. I highly doubt this difference changes one’s address.

                    • abdallahhelaleg_161

                      Member
                      June 18, 2021 at 3:04 pm

                      I heard rumor Geisinger let 11 radiologists (8 resignations and 3 retirements) go, then hired 13 new replacements.  Sounds like a revolving door to me.  Out with the old and in with the new, cheaper new would be my guess.  Buyer beware.

                    • ljohnson_509

                      Member
                      June 18, 2021 at 3:15 pm

                      I heard rumor Geisinger let 11 radiologists (8 resignations and 3 retirements) go, then hired 13 new replacements. Sounds like a revolving door to me. Out with the old and in with the new, cheaper new would be my guess. Buyer beware.

                      I have a very hard time believing that recruiting so many radiologists to the middle of no where is an easy task. And I highly doubt they have top tier income and vacation.

                    • Unknown Member

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                      June 18, 2021 at 3:45 pm

                      Geisinger is an established good health system in many ways. Lots of good folks.
                      Interviewed there many many years ago. The chairman, who lasted ~ 2 years retrospectively, tried convince me to agree to unacceptable terms for a job. Wouldn’t let go. I just told him, no way, and walked out of the interview. He was shocked.
                      That’s my last recollection of that place.

                    • andy.lippman_422

                      Member
                      June 18, 2021 at 5:43 pm

                      High salaries but middle of nowhere if you’re onsite. I would have no probelms taking a remote position if offered.

                    • 122276695

                      Member
                      June 19, 2021 at 4:27 am

                      Numbers from Feb 2021
                       
                      $400k. Retirement as already notedstill much less then most PPs or even competitive academic practices. 
                       
                      4 weeks vacationnot even close to competitive. You better like Danville and have family nearby. Or really like one of their smaller satellite locations. Vacation less than most academic spots. 
                       
                      They said the 4 weeks was competitive. Not for radiology!  Remember, in the system you are employed as a physician, like all other physicians, so you get the same as the FP doc, the nephrologist, etc. Clearly not radiology FMV. 
                       
                      Rumor and not confirmed, some long-standing docs with developed programs and referral lines get up to 6-7 weeks vacation.  This will not be anyone reading AM. 
                       

                    • leann2001nl

                      Member
                      June 19, 2021 at 4:29 am

                      Why would anyone go to middle of nowhere to make below average money for comparable locale, crap vacation and someone watching you ? How do these places fill their spots

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      June 23, 2021 at 4:37 pm

                      $350-400k starting and 25-30 PTO days (not counting CME) is what I’ve seen for academic starting salary. Maybe it’s a NE thing? Those 12 weeks vacay in PP sure are nice. 

                    • ipadfawazipad_778

                      Member
                      June 23, 2021 at 5:39 pm

                      Ya sounds like scumma! If all the above information is accurate.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      June 19, 2021 at 4:54 am

                      Quote from DRADCAR

                      Numbers from Feb 2021

                      $400k. Retirement as already notedstill much less then most PPs or even competitive academic practices. 

                      4 weeks vacationnot even close to competitive. You better like Danville and have family nearby. Or really like one of their smaller satellite locations. Vacation less than most academic spots. 

                      They said the 4 weeks was competitive. Not for radiology!  Remember, in the system you are employed as a physician, like all other physicians, so you get the same as the FP doc, the nephrologist, etc. Clearly not radiology FMV. 

                      Rumor and not confirmed, some long-standing docs with developed programs and referral lines get up to 6-7 weeks vacation.  This will not be anyone reading AM. 

                      That’s how some of those multispecialty places roll. ‘Everyone gets the same’ except for the interventional cardiologist, he gets 10 weeks And the newly hired neurosurgeon . Oh, and the guy who sits on the management council, he gets more time too….

                    • Unknown Member

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                      July 3, 2021 at 8:17 am

                      Quote from hey

                      Not unheard of. People on here have talked about a PP in Long Island that tracks all your (non-radiology related) internet usage and keystrokes at your workstation. Makes you wonder what their penalty is for checking email more than twice per workday.

                       
                      Zwanger Pessiri right?

                    • mariacardei7_785

                      Member
                      August 25, 2018 at 4:38 pm

                      Quote from ztune

                      Quote from Cabinfever

                      Every workstation has a camera and microphone built into the monitors where they can watch and listen to you.

                      Unless the radiologist gave permission, that is illegal under federal wiretapping laws (audio portion of your statement).

                      Not necessarily illegal, but doubt it is even true

                • abdallahhelaleg_161

                  Member
                  August 22, 2018 at 6:29 am

                  Quote from rads312

                  Boonies, overlord, high work load? Dude. Why?

                  Bite the bullet at slightly lower pay for a year or two in a reasonable mid sized city PP group and make more than that onwards. TBH even employed gigs in the nicer suburbs here in chicago pay around that much with like 12 weeks off and no crazy overlord.

                  Thanks for your advise.  I’ve heard their work load is high.  I will keep looking around.

              • abdallahhelaleg_161

                Member
                August 22, 2018 at 6:25 am

                Quote from Suprasellar Cistern

                Living in the boonies AND having an overlord breathing down your neck? Sounds like a winning combo Dont be suckered in by the higher starting salaries of being an academic/corporate employee- you can make way more than that as a partner in a private practice in a medium or large sized city

                Thanks for the advise.  Yes, I’ve heard some rumors about their “overlord”, which has me concerned.  I’ve heard they lure you in with a good starting salary and benefits, but then change their tune after you start working for them.  Bait and switch.