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  • Who’s working the 7 on14 off gigs?

    Posted by radiotamizh9629_575 on March 17, 2023 at 4:10 pm

    Hey all, 
     
    Wondering if anyone on here is working the much advertised 7 on/14 off remote gigs. Obviously remote is not for everyone, nor is working every third weekend. But I’m a relatively young rad with a significant other who is largely based abroad, and we’re not planning on having kids. The amount of time off to travel or visit the S.O. is very appealing.
     
    I’d want to get a partnership position to take advantage of profit sharing and other bennies. I’m not really interested in the overnight hours, but the evenings (~4p-12a) don’t really bother me at all…especially if I’d be traveling a lot and not on normal US time anyway. 
     
    Anyone have some words of wisdom or opinions?

    buckeyeguy replied 1 year, 3 months ago 22 Members · 36 Replies
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  • ruszja

    Member
    March 17, 2023 at 7:04 pm

    Sounds like it may be a good fit for you.

    We have an intensivist who works 10 on 20 off. Lives in Dubai.

    • Ali.zavareh

      Member
      March 18, 2023 at 4:58 am

      I would start laughing if someone asked me for partnership working 7 on/14 off, 4p-12a remotely. Maybe you can be a RadPartner with that schedule

      • guzel

        Member
        March 18, 2023 at 6:30 am

        this!

        • william.wang_997

          Member
          March 18, 2023 at 6:57 am

          I have not heard someone offering 4 pm-12 am 7 on and 14 off as a partner.
           
          Not even once. 
           
           

          • cieminsjohn

            Member
            March 18, 2023 at 7:51 am

            As much as I would like it, can’t see it either.  And nor have I see those hours offered as a 7/14.  Mostly 7/7 and as non-partner

            • ruszja

              Member
              March 18, 2023 at 7:56 am

              Yeah, 7/14 remote won’t make you partner anywhere. It will make you a valued employee if you do quality work.

              • Unknown Member

                Deleted User
                March 18, 2023 at 8:31 am

                4pm-12am is not really “nights” IMO and would not get paid the full premium for night work. It’s more First Half. A lot of us working days will go to bed between 10pm and midnight. To me, someone who is signing up as a dedicated nights person will help cover the deep night hours up to 7am, it’s those hours that really mess you up and why you get paid more for it.

                • Unknown Member

                  Deleted User
                  March 18, 2023 at 9:10 am

                  7/14 is aimed at overnights.
                  4pm-12pm is evening. There are some who prefer this shift, and all can share it if needed. Overnight is the backbreaker, not evening.
                  Partnership, not a chance; unless the group is desperate. And in that case, probably not a long term career choice; as the group won’t be around for long, and the schedule will go with it… 
                   
                   
                   

                  • erasmopa

                    Member
                    March 18, 2023 at 10:17 am

                    Who cares if you are a partner? All you should care about is total compensation. I think if you choose 7/14 remote you should look at yourself as a free agent. Easy to leave when a better offer arises.

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 11:27 am

                      Quote from fumoney

                      Who cares if you are a partner? All you should care about is total compensation. I think if you choose 7/14 remote you should look at yourself as a free agent. Easy to leave when a better offer arises.

                      It’s also about having a seat at the table. It’s easy to give 60 day notice if another group offers to cover JimBobs shift for 20% less. It’s much harder to kick out a partner over a business decision.

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 11:37 am

                      Your comment is partially correct.
                      If you are not a partner though, you are not secure. For many this is quite upsetting, some others don’t care. Not sure what category OP belongs to. fw is correct on this.
                       
                       

                      Quote from fumoney

                      Who cares if you are a partner? All you should care about is total compensation. I think if you choose 7/14 remote you should look at yourself as a free agent. Easy to leave when a better offer arises.

                    • Unknown Member

                      Deleted User
                      March 18, 2023 at 2:02 pm

                      Being a partner in a sheet private practice is not worth the headache.
                      The job security and benefits in a good group are worth it.
                      Caveat emptor.

                    • erasmopa

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 2:16 pm

                      My view is if you are a good radiologist, confident in your abilities, then you dont need the job security. If you are good at your job, you are far more likely to leave of your own volition than having your job taken away. Plus no headaches of being a partner.

                    • lisa.kipp_631

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 2:28 pm

                      There was a group who had partnership with shift end at 2am. Could be midnight if youre working from the west coast. It was two years of 7/7 though before you made partner and were moved to 7/14.

                    • consuldreugenio

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 5:08 pm

                      Different kind of overnight and 2nd shift gigs. Those that come with procedures attached carry much more value and could command partnership quite easily. No one wants to come in at night to do an LP, Fluoro or other potential emergent BS.

                    • kconeil_249

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 6:21 pm

                      This was position I was looking for coming out of training. Lots of options. Most 7-14 are going to be 9 hour shifts, ending between 11p-3a est. Compensation ranged from low 300s to low 400s. I found a position I am happy with.

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 6:29 pm

                      Evening 7/14 shift has been harder for us to fill than overnights. 
                      The evening shift has the cancer staging and inpatient disasters that take a lot of time, as well as ER studies.  This results in lower wRVU production and more frustration for the rads.  They also say socially the evening rads miss out on school activities or social activities scheduled both in the afternoons and evenings, many of which they could still attend if working daytime or overnights.
                      The overnights are mostly ER and less complexity and have been higher wRVU than daytime or evenings.  Our rads tend to choose daytime or overnight, definitely fewer choosing evenings despite the 7/14 schedule.
                       

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 6:32 pm

                      wow !
                       
                      Never thought about that.

                    • cieminsjohn

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 7:38 pm

                      Quote from sandeep panga

                      Evening 7/14 shift has been harder for us to fill than overnights. 
                      The evening shift has the cancer staging and inpatient disasters that take a lot of time, as well as ER studies.  This results in lower wRVU production and more frustration for the rads.  They also say socially the evening rads miss out on school activities or social activities scheduled both in the afternoons and evenings, many of which they could still attend if working daytime or overnights.
                      The overnights are mostly ER and less complexity and have been higher wRVU than daytime or evenings.  Our rads tend to choose daytime or overnight, definitely fewer choosing evenings despite the 7/14 schedule.

                       
                      Under appreciated sacrifice of the time slot.  Easier to work physically, but more disruptive to family and social life. 

                    • mario.mtz30_447

                      Member
                      March 18, 2023 at 8:06 pm

                      All you guys blowing off the 7/14 rads, will never be partner etc, why dont you step up as partners and do 7/14 for a couple years so your group can hire daytime rads.

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 3:26 am

                      Quote from IGotKids2Feed

                      All you guys blowing off the 7/14 rads, will never be partner etc, why dont you step up as partners and do 7/14 for a couple years so your group can hire daytime rads.

                      Because they don’t want to & don’t have to.
                       
                      7/14 is attractive to hire in as an employee position and still get quality rads to sign up for it.
                       
                       
                       
                       

                    • btomba_77

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 3:32 am

                      Quote from sandeep panga

                      Evening 7/14 shift has been harder for us to fill than overnights. 
                      The evening shift has the cancer staging and inpatient disasters that take a lot of time, as well as ER studies.  This results in lower wRVU production and more frustration for the rads.  They also say socially the evening rads miss out on school activities or social activities scheduled both in the afternoons and evenings, many of which they could still attend if working daytime or overnights.
                      The overnights are mostly ER and less complexity and have been higher wRVU than daytime or evenings.  Our rads tend to choose daytime or overnight, definitely fewer choosing evenings despite the 7/14 schedule.

                       
                      Agree with all of that on evening shift.
                       
                      We’ve gotten creative over the years to bridge the evening shift.  The regular day academic sections now have one person doing routine coverage until 7 pm each day.  We also have West Coast rads full remote using time zone to cover the peak early evening rush.  We have internal extra pay evening coverage few hour shifts that rads can sign up for but only get activated if the case backlog hits a certain point. We have our night people staggered, some into mid-late evening starts and others on deep nights.
                       
                      (Our rads all salaried with a minimum RVU percentile expectation, not pay-per-click)
                       
                       

                    • radiotamizh9629_575

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 8:26 am

                      Hey all. Thanks for the responses. OP here. Unless the jobs board is lying, these jobs definitely do exist.

                    • 22002469

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 8:35 am

                      This job definitely exists. Honestly in this market, any job you want exists.
                       
                      I think the only “problem” is that working only 120 shifts and 1000 hours a year will be difficult to make a typical radiologist salary (if that’s something you care about). You likely won’t get the same boost the deep night rads will get.
                       
                      Of course, you can always find another job during off weeks to boost your salary as needed. 
                       

                    • kstepanovs_485

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 8:55 am

                      I know someone who works a 7/14 overnight shift for a group on the east coast but lives in Hawaii which makes it a 4pm-12am evening shift for them. Not partnership track, but good employee salary/benefits. Might be worth looking into doing something like this OP. HI is beautiful, just high state taxes. 

                    • dr.ahmed_alkamali_307

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 12:49 pm

                      I know a couple people that have gotten partner as 7/14 deep nights remote. 

                    • cieminsjohn

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 4:52 pm

                      Quote from ltlrd

                      I know a couple people that have gotten partner as 7/14 deep nights remote. 

                       
                      That is slowly growing fortunately.  

                    • nasosmunfc_332

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 5:49 pm

                      Dergon, what happens to people in your group if they dont meet the minimum rvu expectation?

                    • tom.claikens_334

                      Member
                      March 19, 2023 at 6:28 pm

                      I know of a Dallas group and a Charlotte group, both large groups, that give partner tracks for 7 on 14 off overnight jobs. Those have been around for at least 2 years now. Why are people saying that it’s not when they are posted on the acr jobs board?

                    • g.giancaspro_108

                      Member
                      March 28, 2023 at 11:22 am

                      Well, this is timely.
                      One of our evening rads is requesting to move to overnights or days, or will leave, because the evenings are too much and it isn’t the volume.  He is frustrated by the time consuming cancer staging studies, the inpatient studies and STAT exams from the ER, inpatient and outpatient facilities that all overlap during the evening shift.  He is not the first person to say or do this, and he clarified the volume was manageable, it was the cumbersome work.  We have never had a person leave the overnight shift.  Zero in about 15 years.  The evening shift is just painful and people have better options.  We have multiple people on evenings. I have done the evening shift and agree it is a difficult slog but not sure what the solution is.  Anybody else seeing this?

                    • william.wang_997

                      Member
                      March 28, 2023 at 11:48 am

                      He /she doing evening shift are correct. Evening shift is like a tornado.  

                    • buckeyeguy

                      Member
                      March 28, 2023 at 12:37 pm

                      Quote from RADD2010

                      He /she doing evening shift are correct. Evening shift is like a tornado.  

                       
                      Even in lower volume settings that are manageable, the combination of ER flash ordering, “STAT” outpt among other things, and annoying people that even we rads usually don’t have to deal with, is ridic
                       
                      Now the 2nd shift is becoming unsustainable … look out below

                    • ruszja

                      Member
                      March 28, 2023 at 9:17 pm

                      Overnight you still have the volume, but it really scales back in complexity AND you dont have to talk to people very much. I dont like people.
                       
                       
                      [;)]

                    • andy.lippman_422

                      Member
                      March 29, 2023 at 3:14 am

                      Evenings are awful. I would way rather do overnight 7/14 than evening 7/14.

                    • buckeyeguy

                      Member
                      March 29, 2023 at 2:31 pm

                      Quote from nighthawker

                      Evenings are awful. I would way rather do overnight 7/14 than evening 7/14.

                       
                      Yes, on average, the ER docs are even worse, amazingly. Maybe from stress, too

              • cieminsjohn

                Member
                March 18, 2023 at 7:34 pm

                Quote from fw

                Yeah, 7/14 remote won’t make you partner anywhere. It will make you a valued employee if you do quality work.

                 
                Can’t see that either….