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White House credits Obama with Iran protests
http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=6149
The main quote is from the Washington Post:
But privately Obama advisers are crediting his Cairo speech for inspiring the protesters, especially the young ones, who are now posing the most direct challenge to the republics Islamic authority in its 30-year history.
Can someone explain to me how the Obama people say they can’t make a strong statement because it is meddling…and yet give themselves credit for the Protests to begin with? Wouldn’t that…um…be meddling?
This is purely self serving grandiosity.
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[b]”But privately Obama advisers are crediting his Cairo speech for inspiring the protesters, especially the young ones”[/b]
Excuse me, got to go now…..this S*** is beginning to stink….must vomit. OK, I am back now. When you think the liberals can’t go any lower, they pull an ERad on us.
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Look, I don’t agree with Obama’s tepid response to the Iran situation…but at least I understand the logic of it.
But again, The White House is trying to have it both ways. We don’t want to meddle, but our meddling caused the protests in the first place…it is intellectually dishonest at best, and at worst it is trying to make political gain out of an ongoing tragedy in Iran.
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[b]”We don’t want to meddle, but our meddling caused the protests in the first place”[/b]
With all due respect, I totally disagree with you on this one. You are giving Obama too much credit……I believe the Iranian people have a mind of their own and are demonstrating against their corrupt political system rather than being influenced by Obama. Either way, Obama has placed himself in a “no win” situation.
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Sorry MISTRAD, I was too fast on that one. After more careful reading of your response, I see I gave an inappropriate response to you. By the way, I enjoy reading your comments and feel you always have well thought responses that make a lot of sense.
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Agree with you Mistrad. Iran is what it is. I am becoming a little iritated with the WH myself…too much like the last one
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Wow, Thor…I was thinking the same thing, but I thought it was just my usual biases coming out…
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ORIGINAL: MISTRAD
Wow, Thor…I was thinking the same thing, but I thought it was just my usual biases coming out…
MISTRAD..
You should be more unbiased.. like me.-
HOR, I will follow your glorious example…
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[link=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/23/neda-and-obama/?page=2]Neda and Obama[/link]
If you haven’t heard about Neda Soltan go to “live leak” or such to watch the video. Warning, it is extremely graphic.
Neda Soltan’s death is galvanizing many Americans too. While many others have been killed in recent days, the immediacy and the shock of this lovely woman dying on the streets has struck a chord. People who were barely aware of conditions in Iran now weep before their computer screens. Neda – whose name means “voice” or “call” – has become the voice of the aspirations of the Iranian people.
Engagement is dead
Even if the regime in Tehran decides for some reason to extend an unclenched fist, President Obama would be shaking a bloody hand. The human-rights violations shown on America’s computer screens make it impossible for the president to engage in some 1970s-style detente with Iran. Even the realists realize that is now unrealistic.
The diplomatic climate necessary for the Obama administration’s engagement policy is gone. The subtle signaling dance of the last few months is impossible now. The Obama team’s original timetable, calling for progress by the end of the year, has been overcome by events.
Iran’s bomb now can’t be ignored
Iran’s quest for nuclear weapons now worries more Americans than ever. If the regime is willing to be this cruel to its own people, could the American soldiers or Israeli citizens living within reach of Iran’s missiles expect any mercy? United Nations nuclear overseer Mohamed ElBaradei said last week that he had concluded the regime was seeking atomic weapons to send a message to the rest of the world: “Don’t mess with us.” With the frailty of the regime broadcast worldwide, its sense of insecurity will have increased and, with that, the need to have a nuclear insurance policy. It is extreme folly for the United States to continue the official charade that the Tehran regime is not actively seeking such weapons. Politicizing this intelligence must end. The Obama administration should take this opportunity to demand an immediate halt to Iran’s bomb program.
The time has come to face the Islamic Republic without the comfortable blindfolds we have worn over the past few decades. The reality of Neda Soltan, dead with her eyes open, should open our eyes too.
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Obama sends out invitations to July Fourth celebrations.
[link]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/23/state-department-iranian-diplomats-welcome-july-parties/[/link]
Hope and Change!
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Great idea !! I think Barack should invite his buddies Mahmoud, Kim and Raul over to his place so they can sit in a circle and eat wieners.
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Maybe, just maybe, the people in Iran are looking next door to their neighbors, the Iraqi’s and they are seeing a democratically elected government…. NOT!!! run by a single religious mullah dictatorship and they are thinking they want some of that over in their own country????
If anyone should take credit maybe it should be Bush???
There I said it….
OK, let the beatings begin.
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[link=http://threatswatch.org/rapidrecon/2009/06/unimaginable-horror-in-tehran/]Iran’s Tianamen[/link]
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[h3][link=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63397159]Iran protests: Police fire on Mahsa Amini mourners -[/link][/h3]
[b]Iranian police are reported to have fired on protesters in Saqqez, home city of Mahsa Amini who died in custody after being arrested for allegedly wearing her hijab “improperly”.[/b]
Thousands gathered near the grave of the Kurdish woman and clashed with security, 40 days since her death.
A rights group and witnesses said officers fired live rounds and tear gas at the crowds in the city.
Russia also saying “Thanks for those drones!”
[link=https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1585360030454276096]https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1585360030454276096[/link]
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I wouldn’t mind seeing progressive people or Iran overthrow the Ayatollah government.
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[link=https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1594678140131020806]https://twitter.com/Amich…us/1594678140131020806[/link]
Iranian national team refuses to sing its own national anthem at the word cup … some of the Iranian crowed booing their own national anthem
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[link=https://twitter.com/logoffbrent/status/1594386871215267840]https://twitter.com/logoffbrent/status/1594386871215267840[/link]
Never trust Fox to translate anything.-
[link=https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4815660/us-soccer-scrub-emblem-from-iran-flag-to-support-protests]U.S. Soccer scrubs Islamic Republic emblem from Iran flag to support protests
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he U.S. Soccer Federation is displaying Iran’s national flag on social media without the emblem of the Islamic Republic, saying it supports protesters in Iran ahead of the nations’ World Cup match on Tuesday.
The federation said in a statement on Sunday that it decided to forgo the official flag on social media accounts to show “support for the women in Iran fighting for basic human rights.”
The move comes as nationwide protests challenging Tehran’s theocratic government continue in Iran.
Iran’s semiofficial Tasnim news agency reported on Sunday that the Iranian Football Federation will file an official complaint on the matter to FIFA’s ethics committee.
[link=https://twitter.com/USMNT]The Twitter account of the U.S. men’s national team displayed a banner[/link] with the squad’s matches in the group stage, with the Iranian flag only bearing its green, white and red colors. The same could be seen in a post on its Facebook and Instagram accounts laying out the point totals so far in its group
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Thats great. My Persian friend who fled Iran during the revolution will not recognize that flag. I hope many of us in the U.S. realize we are playing a team of Iranians that do not represent the regime.
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Baby steps?
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NYT:Iran Abolishes Morality Police After Months of Protests
The move appeared to be a concession to the protest movement that erupted after the death of Mahsa Amini, a young woman who was being held by the morality police for supposedly violating Islamic dress rules.-
And today, in a guest decision in support of religious freedom, the American Supreme Court rules 6:3 to support the religious freedom of the Iranian government to require and control women’s morality through dress.
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Quote from dergon
Baby steps?
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NYT:Iran Abolishes Morality Police After Months of Protests
The move appeared to be a concession to the protest movement that erupted after the death of Mahsa Amini, a young woman who was being held by the morality police for supposedly violating Islamic dress rules.Thanks for sharing that. Mostly smiles now when I read here. Ive been having a number of interesting discussions with Persian friends about Iran recently. One had just returned from visiting her mother. I look forward to hearing her take.
Only one poster left that finds the negative in everything.-
[b]Iran Executes Prisoner Arrested in Protests[/b][/h1]
Iran said Thursday it executed a prisoner convicted for a crime allegedly committed during the countrys ongoing nationwide protests, the first such death penalty carried out by Tehran, the [link=https://apnews.com/article/iran-crime-tehran-59d4b028bbd402a642b83fdddc35fdc8]AP[/link] reports.
The execution comes as other detainees also face the possibility of the death penalty for their involvement in the protests, which began in mid-September, first as an outcry against Irans morality police. The protests have since expanded into one of the most serious challenges to Irans theocracy since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
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[b]The Long Twilight of Iran[/b][/h1]
[link=https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/long-twilight-islamic-republic]Ali Vaez[/link]: The Islamic Republic is now where the Soviet Union was in the early 1980s. The system is ideologically bankrupt, at a political dead end, and incapable of addressing its structural economic and societal troubles. It still has the will to fight, as evidenced by its brutal response to the uprisings. But no amount of force will end the standoff with its people, which is primarily the result of the regimes failures across the board. There is little left of the promises made during the 1979 revolution to build a shining, pious city on a hill.
In practice, the regime has created a militarized republic of fear in which mediocrity is glorified and mendacity institutionalized. The Islamic Republics architects vowed there would be egalitarian prosperity for all, but instead, they delivered affluence for a few and ruined what was once a booming economy. They promised paradise on earth and then dried out the land and polluted the air, imperiling a civilization that has survived for 7,000 years.
The Islamic Republic is now a hollow misnomer. It is a theocracy that has inadvertently secularized the population. It is a republic that has demolished the participatory base it once used to legitimize its rule. By gradually tightening his circle of insiders, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has sidelined an increasing number of the original revolutionaries and other politicians who sought to put the system on a better path.
