[Unknown Member]

Florida

Every kinda person you’d ever imagine lives in Florida

[100574]

South Carolina…California

[kaldridgewv2211]

actually on the Smerconish show I heard someone say it should be broken up into like 4-5 quadrants and then rotate every 4 years to a state in said quadrant.  That seems like a pretty fair system.  Everyone wants to go first.
 
Say Northeast, Midwest, Southeast, Northwest, Southwest.  Rotate.

[Unknown Member]

None.
 
The system is broken.
 
We need to have an elected Prime Minister of the United States – who would be defined as the leader of the party with the most votes in Parliament.
 
And the American Parliament should be designed such that its MPs represent parties, not specific regions of the country or certain districts.  
 
If all the above ever happens, it will finally be the day when there is no more gridlock in DC.
 
Maybe some day.
 
Now under the current system, I would say…..there should be a national primary day – all 50 states, all votes – one one day or maybe over two days.
 
 

[suyanebenevides_151]

I was thinking yesterday, and I’m sure they’ve brought this up, but why don’t we have a national holiday on election day (president)? Why wouldn’t Republicans be the headliners for this too, since generally speaking, they want the people who work to get out and vote?

[eyoab2011_711]

None…there should be a national primary day for all states around April or so…2 months for a run off between top two candidates if needed in June…election in November

[Unknown Member]

Good luck re-writing the constitution.
 
I think a regional (and rotating) primary system as mentioned above would be the most fair and effective.
 

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None.

The system is broken.

We need to have an elected Prime Minister of the United States – who would be defined as the leader of the party with the most votes in Parliament.

And the American Parliament should be designed such that its MPs represent parties, not specific regions of the country or certain districts.  

If all the above ever happens, it will finally be the day when there is no more gridlock in DC.

Maybe some day.

Now under the current system, I would say…..there should be a national primary day – all 50 states, all votes – one one day or maybe over two days.

[ruszja]

There should be a ‘primary day’ and all states should be required to hold their primary the same day.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/538917-state-lawmaker-introduces-legislation-to-make-nevada-first-presidential]State lawmakers introduce legislation to make Nevada first presidential primary state[/link]
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

What if it was just everyone at the same time? Less having to see campaigns and political coverage.

[clickpenguin_460]

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What if it was just everyone at the same time? Less having to see campaigns and political coverage.

 
I’m all in for this.

[btomba_77]

Democrats Move Closer to Dumping Iowa Caucuses:

President Biden is not a big fan. Former Democratic National Committee chair Tom Perez is openly opposed. And elsewhere in the Democratic inner sanctum, disdain for Iowas first-in-the-nation presidential caucus has been rising for years, the Washington Post reports.

Now the day of reckoning for Iowa Democrats is fast approaching, as the national party starts to create a new calendar for the 2024 presidential nomination that could remove Iowa from its privileged position for the first time since 1972, when candidates started flocking to the state for an early jump on the race to the White House.

The caucuses reputation has been damaged by high barriers to participation, a dearth of racial diversity, the rightward drift in the states electorate and a leftward drift in the Democratic participants. The state partys inability to count the results in 2020 only deepened dismay in the party.

[btomba_77]

[h1][b]Democratic Primary Proposal Would Upend 2024 Nominating Process[/b][/h1]  [link=https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2022/03/11/dnc-plan-end-iowa-caucuses-first-place-presidential-calendar-democrats/9433481002/]Des Moines Register[/link] –
 
National Democratic leaders have drafted a proposal that could significantly reshape the partys presidential nominating process and put an end to Iowas prized first-in-the-nation caucuses a tradition that has shaped presidential politics and boosted Iowas place in the American spotlight for the last half-century.
 
A draft resolution would set new criteria for early-voting states that favor primaries over caucuses and diversity over tradition.
 
If the proposal advances, it would upend the partys presidential nominating calendar by requiring states to apply to hold their nominating contests before the rest of the country and expanding the number of early voting states to as many as five. Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, which currently lead off the process, would not necessarily be given preferential consideration over other states that apply.
 

[btomba_77]

 [link=https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2022/04/13/iowa-democratic-caucus-dnc-calendar-could-lose-first-nation-2024-elections/9498398002/]Des Moines Register

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[h1][b]DNC panel strips Iowa of guaranteed first vote for president[/b][/h1]  
Iowa Democrats are no longer guaranteed a place at the front of the presidential nominating calendar after a panel of Democratic National Committee members voted Wednesday to effectively strip them of their coveted first-in-the-nation status. 
 
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina currently have waivers from the national party to hold their nominating contests before the rest of the country. The plan removes all four states from that early voting window and requires them along with any others that want to hold early contests to apply for a new waiver.
 
The committee will evaluate those applications and restructure the early nominating window in a way that members say will be more reflective of the modern party and its current values.
 

[btomba_77]

[b]15 States Battle to Go First In 2024 Democratic Primary[/b][/h1]  
 
More than a dozen states and at least one territory are applying to be among the first to vote for Democrats next presidential nominee with the biggest pile-up coming out of the Midwest, where states are jockeying to take Iowas long-held early spot, [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/06/democratic-primary-2024-dnc-early-states-00030560]Politico[/link] reports.
 
Fifteen state parties and counting, plus Puerto Rico, have submitted letters of intent to the Democratic National Committee ahead of a Friday deadline to be considered as a 2024 early state.

 

[kaldridgewv2211]

This is one thing I don’t really understand.  I would think the state would have the power to set whatever they want.  

[btomba_77]

Parties are private organizations. The parties set the rules.
 
Yes, a state could set its primary whenever it wanted.  But the party could then in turn say ‘Any delegates from a state that goes earlier than xx will be discarded.’
 
 
 

[ruszja]

Any process that selects from 180 million potential candidates and arrives at ‘Donald Trump and Joe Biden’ for an answer is broken.

[kaldridgewv2211]

Quote from dergon

Parties are private organizations. The parties set the rules.

Yes, a state could set its primary whenever it wanted.  But the party could then in turn say ‘Any delegates from a state that goes earlier than xx will be discarded.’

In my mind it would be easy for the State to take back the power.  State’s run elections, certify their votes, and send electors.  Tell the Dems or GOP to shove it square up their keister.  Too much power in the two party system.  

[btomba_77]

States only have say in the competition between the parties.
 
Either party could legally tomorrow say “we are no longer having primaries to determine the presidential nominee.  It will be done by committee vote.”
 
The only thing keeping that from happening is popular backlash, not the law.

[btomba_77]

Michigan is poised to replace Iowa as an early Democratic presidential nominating state, upending the current primary lineup and breaking with a half-century of precedent, Politico reports.

President Joe Biden signaled to Michigan Democrats during his trip to the state this week that hed bless their bid to hold their primary in the early-state window in the future, according to a senior Michigan Democrat.

NBC News: New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina are likely to retain their early spots, while Iowa would lose its first-in-the-nation status. Many insiders expect will Michigan will follow the other three states.

[btomba_77]

Biden wants SC to go first overall.  Iowa is out.  (Which is fine with me as a Dem. It is not very reflective of the demographics of the Democratic party, it’s a caucus, and they’ve shown they don’t know what they’re doing)
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/01/2024-primaries-biden-democrats/]https://www.washingtonpos…aries-biden-democrats/[/link]

[btomba_77]

[h1] [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-approve-biden-backed-plan-to-change-presidential-nominating-calendar-11670014975?mod=djemalertNEWS]Wall Street Journal[/link] -Democrats Approve New Presidential Nominating Calendar[/h1] [h2]South Carolina would host partys first primary, while Iowa, New Hampshire would be demoted from their longtime pole positions[/h2]

Democrats moved Friday toward the most significant changes in their [link=https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-calls-for-south-carolina-to-be-first-in-democratic-presidential-nomination-process-11669944684?mod=article_inline]presidential nominating process[/link] in nearly two decades after a key committee backed a plan put forward by President [link=https://www.wsj.com/topics/person/joe-biden]Biden[/link] to allow South Carolina to host the first 2024 primary, followed by Nevada and New Hampshire on the same day, Georgia and then Michigan.
 
The change would dramatically decrease the influence of Iowa, which has hosted the first nominating contest for five decades, while elevating the role of several states that are typically battlegrounds in general elections. It would also reduce the importance of New Hampshire, the traditional host of the nations first presidential primary.
 
The Democratic National Committees Rules and Bylaws Committee approved a plan for the early states to hold their primaries in early 2024. South Carolina would kick off the process on Feb. 3, followed by Nevada and New Hampshire on Feb. 6, Georgia on Feb. 13 and Michigan on Feb. 27. Those dates would all come ahead of Super Tuesday in March when multiple states typically hold primaries, followed by contests throughout the spring.
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[btomba_77]

 [link=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/us/politics/democrats-presidential-primary-calendar.html]New York Times[/link]-

When a panel of Democratic Party insiders endorsed President Joseph R. Bidens preferred lineup of early presidential nominating states on Friday, they didnt just shatter the exalted status of Iowa and New Hampshire voters.
 
They also formally aligned themselves with a demographic reckoning decades in the making, reflecting the growing clout of the racially diverse coalition that brought Mr. Biden to power and implicitly rebuking two overwhelmingly white states that rejected him in 2020.
 
For political obsessives, the change which must still be voted on by the whole committee feels sweeping and swift.
 
 
 
[link=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/03/democrats-primaries-new-hampshire-iowa-south-carolina/]Dan Balz[/link]: Biden shakes up the primary calendar and insulates himself from challengers.
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

Do them all at once.

[btomba_77]

Then it just becomes a money / initial name recognition game.
 
Whoever can afford to run a national campaign from day 1 has a huge advantage

[ruszja]

Biden won SC.
 
Biden wants SC to go first.
 
Pretty simple.

[btomba_77]

Sure. For sure.
 
But even if Biden didn’t run again and/or into ’28 I think the Biden wing of the party thinks it’s good move politically and electorally.
 
It makes it a lot harder for a Sanders/Warren type to get early momentum. It also means the Democratic candidate will have to get a significant threshold of African American support.  Theoretically the candidate might be a better general election candidate. 

[kaldridgewv2211]

The money thing is true anyway. Money wins elections. I know we have other threads but campaign finance reform. Ranked choice voting. Things can change but I doubt they ever will.

[btomba_77]

[b]Democrats Mull Alternatives to South Carolina as First[/b][/h1]  
Democrats are quietly discussing plans to propose a possible compromise state as the nations first-in-the-nation primary following vocal concerns about South Carolina from all corners of the party, [link=https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3775019-democrats-mull-alternative-to-south-carolina-amid-divisions-over-first-in-nation-primary/]The Hill[/link] reports.
 
The informal talks among strategists, former campaign advisers, activists and those close to state parties are largely centering around three states Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina as possible alternatives to kick off the 2024 nominating contest, with proponents citing their racial diversity and general election importance as upsides.

 

[ruszja]

Quote from dergon

Sure. For sure.

But even if Biden didn’t run again and/or into ’28 I think the Biden wing of the party thinks it’s good move politically and electorally.

It makes it a lot harder for a Sanders/Warren type to get early momentum. It also means the Democratic candidate will have to get a significant threshold of African American support.  Theoretically the candidate might be a better general election candidate. 

South Carolina. Too small for a republic, too large for an insane asylum.
 
I dont think SC is a good representation of the US. Democratic politics is limited to Charleston, Columbia and North Charleston. Its really a small group of people who is calling the shots. Not sure the african american community in SC is all that representative of the issues in lets say Michigan or Georgia.
 
North Carolina or Virginia would make for a better option. The dig at Iowa and New Hampshire is that its all white people. NC or VA would be more better in that regard.
 
 

[kaldridgewv2211]

I think Georgia would be best one.  You got the dems pulling off wins over GOP candidates.  Let them go first.

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/01/27/michigan-senate-oks-earlier-presidential-primary-gop/11132668002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomwashington-topstories]Detroit Free Press

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[h1]Michigan Senate Votes to approve earlier presidential primary, to dismay of GOP[/h1]

The 20-18 party-line vote to shift the primary from mid-March to late February every four years is favored by Democrats, but may substantially hurt Republicans ahead of what is anticipated to be a heated election to decide the party’s nominee in 2024.
 
“This bill uplifts the voice and vote of Michigan Democrats and Michigan Republicans, and gives every Michigander an early, deserving chance to choose the next president of the United States,” said state Sen. Jeremy Moss, D-Southfield, the lead sponsor of the bill.
 
 
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Republicans noted that their national rules are different than those of the Democratic Party. If Michigan moves its primary earlier in 2024, the national GOP would likely penalize Michigan Republicans, explained Senate Minority Leader Aric Nesbitt, R-Porter Township.

“If the Michigan primary takes place before March 1 of next year, Republicans would lose about 85% of the Republican delegates to the national convention. We had 72 delegates in 2020, and we’d go down to 13 delegates next year,” he said.

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[btomba_77]

[h1][b]New Hampshire Wont Move Primary for Democrats[/b][/h1] The [link=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/sununu-tells-biden-new-hampshire-not-moving-primary]Washington Examiner[/link]:
A defiant New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) said he will not allow a change in his states first-in-the-nation presidential primary, telling Democrats and President Joe Biden to pound sand.
 

[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-team-lobbying-primary-rule-changes-boost-his-2024-chances-2023-06-27/]https://www.reuters.com/w…24-chances-2023-06-27/[/link]

[h1]Trump team lobbying for primary rule changes to boost his 2024 chances[/h1]

Trump campaign looking to move up the dates in Trump-friendly states, get changes from elections to caucuses to take advantage of his base intensity advantage.

Trump’s lobbying efforts show a level of sophistication that his freewheeling 2016 campaign lacked and highlight how he stands to benefit now that several state parties are dominated by loyalists.

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“Any time you can get delegates selected at a convention or caucus it is more advantageous for Trump than being on the ballot,” Roe said. “His base of support is significantly higher among activists than the rank-and-file.”

In a win for Trump, Republicans in Michigan recently agreed to select more than two-thirds of their delegates via caucus meetings, where active members tend to have the most sway. The change was prompted by a decision by Democratic Party leaders to bring the state-funded primary date forward to earlier than was allowed under Republican National Committee (RNC) rules.

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[btomba_77]

[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/08/iowa-gop-presidential-caucuses-00105309]Iowa Republican caucus date set for Jan. 15, 2024 – POLITICO

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[link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/10/iowa-caucuses-when-2024-election-00101343]Thats earlier[/link] than in both 2020 and 2016, when the caucuses were held on the first Monday in February. But its about two weeks later than 2012 and 2008, when the caucuses were held just two days after New Years Day.
 
Iowas move combined with Democrats efforts to remake their early-state order to begin with South Carolina means the New Hampshire primary will most likely be held on Tuesday, Jan. 23, eight days after the Iowa caucuses.
 
But for the race for the Republican presidential nomination, that could leave [link=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/08/why-the-stop-trump-effort-all-comes-down-to-south-carolina-00105243]a long gap[/link] between Iowa and New Hampshire, at the beginning, and the rest of the contests. The state GOP in South Carolina another of the four traditional, early carve-out states that the Republican National Committee says can host the first nominating contests last month set its primary date for Feb. 24.

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